observer, what should we do with china's security position? china's position remains the same as before. let's recall when he published his so-called peace plan for ukraine, the first point was the preservation and restoration of the territorial integrity of ukraine, which russia did not like very much. we also know that china and xi jinping later reportedly warned president putin to stop threatening to use nuclear weapons. saying that china is categorically opposed to russia taking such a step. china, by the way, already has been considering ukraine as an important trade partner for many years. however, as i have said, china's deep security interests lie in undermining us leadership and the so-called rules-based international order that the united states has actively helped create. so china will be opposed to the us, along with its european allies... relying on ukraine to win

the war with russia, instead china will be very happy if the us and its european allies continue to be engaged in a terrible war in ukraine, while he will strengthen his geopolitical positions in the middle east, especially in relation to saudi arabia and in central asia. dear mr. ambassador bryza, i would like to ask you, in general, about the parameters of the current changes. we understand that some of it is public, some is private. resolutions, so it will be at the j7, it will be at the swiss summit, that is, public statements, public handshakes, and at the same time there will be a non-public part, when politicians or representatives of governments will talk about what is called possible, i emphasize possible peaceful framework, and we understand that most likely after the swiss summit there will be another summit and maybe not one, but the key story is certain parameters, as in one of his...interviews, the president of the united states

, joseph biden, either slandered or hinted , that's what he says, in order to ensure the security of ukraine, it is not necessary to join nato, somehow, it's not literal, and we understand that it is possible that certain, i don't know, soundings, certain probing of similar things are also being conducted, so first of all, i would ask you to outline potential frame of change. president biden's comments... about ukraine's possible membership in nato must be interpreted in the proper context. the first part of this context, as all high-ranking us officials constantly repeat, is that the decision made in april 2008 at the bucharest nato summit remains valid. ukraine and georgia will become nato members as soon as it is determined that they have met all the criteria. this is nato's policy. another part of this important context is that putin is constantly trying to... intimidate the european allies of the united states and

alienate them from the united states, claiming that the united states is acting recklessly in ukraine and is leading the entire alliance to war against russia. this is not true, but putin is using the fear that the us will drag nato into a war with russia as a way to strengthen his position in russian politics by portraying himself as russia's savior in a defensive war, which is simply ridiculous, because it is a war of aggression that he has dared. it is putin. in addition, putin is trying to intimidate european allies so that they think: wow, nato is at war with ukraine. and if this is highlighted by the possibility, or even by biden's statement, that ukraine will become a member of nato, then it will fuel these fears. so, biden is playing international politics by saying that the us is not pushing for ukraine's membership in nato today. he should have said: i don't see that happening right now. he. was not careful in his

statements, but this is not the first time he has done so. the bottom line is that one should not attach too much importance to his statement. if ukraine continues to meet the criteria, then after the end of this war, ukraine has very large chances of quickly joining nato. yes, these are extremely important signals. well, but for example, if we talk about specifics, we understand that the guarantee for those conditions or those parameters to be accepted. for us , this means the liberation of our territories temporarily occupied by the enemy. another point is that the enemy included them in its composition and even voted, well, the so-called voting procedure in the state duma, when we talk about our temporarily occupied territories, and we also understand that the rest of the issues there are already questions, so to speak , auxiliary, the key story is the territories, and we see that the enemy is only increasing its presence in ... extremely active

combat operations. where do you think putin will try to go now? this is the reality of this terrible invasion that putin has launched. started an aggressive war in violation of international law and occupied ukrainian territory. he continues to take steps to legitimize illegal political arrangements in these occupied ukrainian territories, which is a further violation of international law. war is the continuation of politics by others means, so putin uses the war against ukraine to achieve his political goals, including the occupation and integration of these ukrainian territories into the russian federation. no one in europe, the united states or our other allies around the world will ever recognize such actions by russia. ukraine can settle the situation in its favor only by winning on the battlefield. and that is why it is so important that the ukrainian armed forces grow numerically. the troops

fighting on the front lines are exhausted and need rest and rotation. therefore, ukrainians first of all, men should join the ranks of the army. we in the usa and europe must give ukraine more. the weapons it needs, to do it on time, and not with such long delays of six months as last time, this is unacceptable. we should have done a long time ago what president biden eventually agreed to do, which is to allow ukraine to use the provided weapons to retaliate against russian forces on the territory of the russian federation who are planning or have already launched another attack on ukraine. yes, this is an extremely important point, and so are we grateful at the same time. to the american administration and personally to president joseph biden for his efforts that he has already demonstrated, when we are talking about both money in the amount of more than 61 billion and weapons, and now we see that the united states is more likely to mature to allow the use of american weapons on

on russian territory, we are not talking about temporarily occupied ukrainian lands, actually on russian territory, this is a very important essential point, we understand that... that no one is going to hit the mausoleum with atacamas lenin, in particular, it refers to specific military facilities located near the border, but it is still an extremely important military-psychological decision. in my view, this move is long overdue, and it is absolutely ridiculous that president biden has allowed himself to be held back by cold war-era fears that russia could provoke a strategic nuclear confrontation with the united states over the war in ukraine. it is clear and absolutely obvious that biden was guided by these fears. putin's threats clearly affected him. and i understand what happened so that the minister of defense, general austin, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general brown, and national security adviser jake sullivan,

have come to the same conclusion i just stated: ukraine must be able to defend itself should russia resume its attacks to kharkiv from russian territory. according to international law, ukraine should be able to strike russian military facilities and personnel if they are preparing or have already launched attacks on ukraine, striking ukrainian military personnel, or, worst of all, on the civilian population in kharkiv. i also understand that after secretary of state blinken's last visit to kyiv and his discussions with president zelenskyi and others, he returned to washington convinced that it was time to approach president biden with ... to tell him that it was time to make another decision. thank goodness president biden was persuaded and finally agreed to do something that made sense from the beginning. now i believe that what the us had to press down was put forward by the american leadership nato is not in the best light. i

was in london last week and spoke to some senior officials there. and it was clear to us that it was the minister of foreign affairs, david cameron, the general who pressed. they all seem to have backed president biden into a corner. macron suggested that it is possible that one day french troops could be on the territory of ukraine, and cameron and stoltenberg stressed that ukraine should be able to use the weapons we provide against russian forces that are preparing or have already attacked ukraine. if biden continued to act resistance to these important... nato allies, us leadership in nato was called into question. in the end, he made the right decision, but unfortunately, so much damage was done to both the reputation of the us, as the leader of nato, and of course, to poor ukraine in all those months while it was unable to strike military targets in russia. yes,

thank you very much, this is an extremely important analysis of what is happening now. on the other hand, you mentioned president macron, i sometimes have the feeling that i... i watch the mtv hit parade, we hear very loud statements, we see very cool videos, but in fact, instead of an italian restaurant, then we go somewhere and eat pizza, that is, we would like to get. even more, on the other hand, we understand that our realities are quite difficult, and if, for example, we talk about specific bold decisions from president joseph biden, what could we hope for and what would we have the right to demand, taking into account the fact that now the process of negotiations regarding the signing of a security agreement with america is underway, and we understand that the key story is the fulfillment of any agreement very concrete, real ... things yes, but we also understand that the war must be ended faster with our victory, the key

story is how to do it as soon as possible. at this stage, it is important for ukraine to insist that president biden clearly and publicly declare that the goal of the united states is the victory of ukraine, that is, not simply avoiding defeat and not worrying about escalation on the part of russia. speaking of president macron, in his infamous statement, he said that russia cannot... be humiliated, well, russia is humiliating itself, and we should not worry, humiliated she or not russia can end its humiliation by returning to international law and stopping the killing of ukrainian civilians and the destruction of ukraine's energy infrastructure. russia is defeated in a battle, and thereby also humiliates itself. therefore , i believe that it is very important that all nato allies, as well as us allies, in australia, south korea. japan and other countries have clearly stated that ukraine must win, and russia must lose, period. as for

what could be included in the american-ukrainian security agreement, i don't i know what is being discussed, but all this should be based on the fact that ukraine must win and be able to permanently prevent russia from restarting and repeated attacks on ukraine. my former colleagues are now actively working on the details of this agreement. of course, i didn't... expect guarantees like article five, since ukraine is not yet a member of nato, but certainly there will be elements that will include providing advanced american weapons and allowing them to be used on russian territory if necessary, to stop and deter further russian attacks, convinced that the security guarantee will also include certain military exercises. dear mr. ambassador, i agree with you, on the other hand, we understand that the key story is the issue. terms, the terms of the end of the war with our victory, we understand that now the president

of the united states biden is not in the best electoral situation, for my part i wish him victory, he is predictable and a decent politician, on the other hand, we understand that there is still a presidential team biden and there is also a team of one of donald's candidates trump, well, maybe there is such a feeling that the team of president joseph biden. is preparing to pass the baton to donald trump's team with the words, well, you said that you know how to decide, well, in a few months , trump's team will be obliged to try to speed up our victory, so how do you like this scenario and in general, if we are serious about timing , how long do you think russian aggression against ukraine can last, or how quickly our victory is approaching, well, because we understand on the field... the situation looks extremely difficult. the discussion about what will happen to us policy towards

ukraine if trump comes to power is the opposite of what you are talking about. it is not that trump's team knows better how to end the war by ensuring victory for ukraine. no, the concern is the opposite. trump has said he will end the war in one day, which means he will pressure ukraine to end hostilities . trump, most likely, will not maintain that level of support. which biden, even though the provision of weapons granted to ukraine by the presidential administration was postponed and there was a ban on the use of these weapons on the territory of russia, trump's instinct will push him to conclude an agreement with putin over the heads and behind the backs not only of the leaders of ukraine, but also of all our european allies. trump's america policy shows above all that he does not care about nato. he does not like our european allies and went to confront them. just came to power, saying that nato is obsolete. when trump remained in power and the burden fell on him

responsibility to be not only the leader of the most powerful country in the world, but also the most powerful military-political alliance, his behavior has changed somewhat. he was the first president to offer javelin anti-tank missiles to ukraine. thank god he did, but his rhetoric suggests that he would again prefer to make a deal with his friend who... he admires vladimir putin so much, getting ukraine to cease hostilities and give up its territory, which was b in the end a complete geostrategic disaster and for russia itself. i mean, it could lead to further conflict between russia and the west, in which russia would be completely defeated. thank you very much, mr. ambassador, for this extremely important conversation on the air of the tv channel, i want to remind our viewers that matthew bryza, ex-adviser of the secretary of state of the united states, former director of european and eurasian affairs at the us national security council, was currently working for them.

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be noted that there really is such a surge in international activity, in particular in the schedule of the president of... ukraine, two meetings with president biden, then a representative forum is expected in switzerland, we can say how fateful it is there, what issues will be resolved there, that is another matter, but as they say about the elections, the turnout there will be quite high. well, the key story: the swiss peace forum, what questions will be discussed, we understand that three key cases will be discussed there, so in particular they will talk about... nuclear security, well, in particular, about the prospects of using or not using nuclear weapons by the enemy, the chinese will not be there, we understand that india is changing prem' prime minister, that is, the situation, as the classics said, is quite dynamic, yes, quite dynamic, and the elections are starting, in my opinion, already today in the netherlands they are starting to vote for the elections to the european parliament, and

changes in the european parliament almost predict an increase in the right radical forces, not all of these forces are anti-european there, but it is clear that the situation in the european parliament can be quite difficult, and this must also be remembered, because for you and i it is extremely important in europe, what concerns switzerland, expectations from switzerland, i personally do not have any special expectations, i understand that the closer we got to this summit, then... several factors played their role, for some reason we in ukraine paid too much attention to china and china's participation, china, it is subtle felt and through directly or through of the allies significantly diluted our position at this swiss forum, because initially ukraine clearly said that this is our war, we

are fighting, this is our peace formula, and the forum is gathering to support the peace formula. zelenskyi's position has already blurred in recent days, they are already talking about the fact that there may be other proposals from other countries, the same china or brazil or turkey, that is , the peace formula in zelenskyi's editorial office is no longer the only document, further, we remember , that there were 10 points in this peace formula, and we we hoped that interest groups would be created for each of the points and certain solutions would be worked out, now it is real. you just mentioned, it is about three topics for discussion, the three areas are nuclear safety, food safety and the exchange of prisoners of war. in the end, china officially announced that it would not be there. form, but managed to influence, and ukraine was forced to make certain concessions, which in principle do not help us very much, because we

need to have a clear position, and china, in chinese plans there, meetings, including the next one from the peace forum, and here too the question arises, well, if we at this swiss peace forum can adopt some... very blurred resolution, then this will not indicate a unified position of all participants , of which more than 100 are expected, and then literally after a few months we fly to some other forum, where russia should already be, because at first the logic was quite clear, we wanted to have such a consolidated position of the world, of democracy in the world, which would be very clearly spoke about inadmissibility of violation. borders, responsibility for aggression, where it was possible to formulate a position with which you could come to russia and say: look, the whole world over there, 100 countries of the world have

this view, now you have to think about how you , russia, will behave in relation to, to the vast majority of countries in the world, and now this is not happening, because most likely in switzerland we will not receive a very clear communique or statement, then the next meeting will be there already, and russia master of breeding tereveni, well, this is essentially a chinese platform and a chinese idea, that is, the chinese wanted to nullify or diminish the status of the global forum in switzerland dedicated to the peace formula and, accordingly , create some alternative structure, an alternative summit, where it would be present, in particular and... the aggressor state, the russian federation, the chinese would like to somehow orchestrate this whole affair, do we understand correctly? they manipulated it quite well, now, thanks to their position, i'm sure

countries like brazil are far away, we all more often we hear explanations for the fact that russia will not be there, well, except that today sziarto announced that he will make the forum happy with his presence and hungary will be represented at the level of his sziarto. such changes took place, well, this is evidence, most likely, hungary heard the call of belgium, which is currently the president of the european union, that the right to vote should be taken away from hungary, because it completely rejects the position of the european union, maybe this is a factor or something else, well but i don't think this is such a big event, will it add to the prospects or success of the forum, i mean the representation hungary on equal footing. how can such forums affect the situation related to war, so we understand that war is not only about, i don't know, combat operations, but also about the resources

to support them, and we understand, the position of the united states, thank god, has been corrected, yes in the size of 61 billion dollars plus. on the other hand, the quite non-trivial opinion of the president of the united states biden was heard in one of the interviews, he said: well, in order to ensure... all ukrainian security can, in principle, be in nato and not be included on the agenda the washington summit will not be an issue either, they will find some very strong regular signals. well, yes, biden's position is changing, and he hinted, he even went on to say why, as vice president, he had dozens of meetings there, visited ukraine, and he hated the word corruption, as he said. ukrainian president kuchma, who wants a word not of ukrainian origin, but it is very well known in ukraine, and remembering

blinkin's statement before this, his last visit, we understand that here the ukrainian authorities must eventually understand that this policy of emotional blackmail works, and that it is necessary to demonstrate readiness. and in fact, the ability of ukraine to be a reliable planned partner of nato, well, because, if we are talking about nato, in nato, those allies who supply us with weapons, they had the biggest problem, this is precisely the effective use of funds for these weapons, i do not want to talk there about embezzlement, let's say, the effective use of funds, and one of the requirements was an audit of how our ministry of defense, how effective it is is used funds should have been audited, but the head of the audit, again, who was elected, appointed, not elected, it is important to note, was appointed by the street of the bank.

several after the open appeal of the ambassadors of the big seven not to be appointed, but to make an honest competition and who, as they say, according to informed sources, simply has one such important feature in her biography, or a ribbon in her biography, that she is in close relations with the family of the president, and and and she was appointed, and now she declares that the accounting chamber cannot hold. audit and not will conduct an audit, so it is clear that such things are simply unacceptable, imagine that you are biden, and you perfectly understand what is going on here, and although our accounting chamber did not work, i am sure that the american intelligence and the intelligence of other countries of the world for sure know what is happening in the situation, my acquaintances say that in the ministry of defense the same bellies, colonels or generals, who sit on

the streams and the change of the minister of defense have remained. little was affected, the schemes are practically preserved, and when all this is known, and when so many times called on our president to remove the interference of his own office in the executive power, there are still no independent judges, because there is tatarov, some deputies have been fired, but they are not the deputies they would like to fire, and civil society and the west, in a word, when you. .. you set the bar so high, demanding that your allies fulfill their obligations, you must remember about yourself and the fact that with such tatars, with such, with such a ministry of defense, with such purchases, with such accounting chambers , we are not war either we will win when we make serious claims, praise the delayed aid to western partners, there to the united states,

to other countries. it is very important to remember, not to forget and to pay attention to the fact that the structure of power that we have does not help us to successfully conduct military operations at all. mr. oleg, look, well, then this means that we will walk in a certain vicious circle, so we will not carry out one or another personnel changes, personnel decisions and implement those approaches that we would like to see in white at home, on the other hand, the americans will also look at this and say oh-oh, that's all... again, again, again twisting the situation into the format of a circle, along which we will walk, the war continues, and despite certain optimistic signals , well, i would like to have a very specific definition, because certain security agreements have been signed, the washington summit is approaching, at which a palliative decision will most likely be adopted, and we understand that after the swiss summit there will be another chinese-brazilian-russian summit summit, so i would add here anyway in... in

june, we expect, i think, we are still expecting the start of negotiations on the acquisition of membership in the european union, all these things that we are talking about, this is not only the position of the americans , this is basically the position of the european union as well. an independent court is a requirement of the european union and an obligation of the ukrainian authorities. effective governance is the same thing. that is , we will open now if we start negotiations on the acquisition of members. then we will have very clear tasks before us and with a very strict monitoring, and it all turned into one, therefore it will not be possible to separate the americans separately, the european union separately, and it will not be possible on this formula, but on this harness of the president with five or six advisers, it will not be possible to drive into the european union union, but to move from the place, and therefore

it will be necessary to mini. our government wants it, it doesn't want it, our president likes yermak immensely, and yermak likes the tatars immensely, it is clear that we want to have support, a completely logical and justified demand from the european union and the west for certain changes and reforms in governance, and therefore the measure will not give more than the minimum amount of money needed for a country that does not... does not know how and does not want to govern properly, i am not saying that it will not give money at all, because it is clear that now the west calculated and came to the logical conclusion that supporting ukraine is now better, cheaper and more effective from the point of view of the interests of the same europe than giving russia the opportunity to go to the border with the european union, and here we have common interests with the european union, but in the same time is...