a minibus to transport mobile brigades and for the repair of tanks, anti-aircraft guns, and anti-aircraft guns to the gray areas to the field to the battlefield, but today i am very grateful to you, continue to support the armed forces of ukraine, don, that is why we stick together and we will definitely win , because well, because we are like that, we can't lose, we can't and i sincerely thank everyone who gives their life and health on the battlefield today , so i will meet with you on monday at 18:10, well, literally in a few moments... rudenkom, stay with us, it will be interesting. good evening from ukraine. today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. air war in rozpala. russia launches combined missile-drone strikes on ukrainian infrastructure, but suffers massive attacks on strategic targets in...

answer: how will the long-awaited f-16s change the situation? they will make russia pay now. the big seven will provide ukraine with about $50 billion in support at the expense of frozen russian assets. will the kremlin be able to respond to western sanctions symmetrically? the strongest agreement in 33 years, security guarantees from the us provide. material support, response to future attacks and the path to ukraine's membership in nato. will trump be able to terminate the ten-year contract early? glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine and the world. about

the war and our victory, let's talk about putin's next so-called peace initiatives, about the big foreign policy week , which focused on ukraine, and a lot more . today we will have three guests in the first part: a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, oleksiy hetman, vasyl furman, member of the council of the national bank of ukraine and doctor of economic sciences and political expert volodymyr. cybko, in the second part of our program, which will start in an hour, we will have journalists, my colleagues olga musafirova and andriy yanitsky. so, before we start our big talk, let's watch a video of how the russians tried to advance near ivanivka in donetsk region, this time the enemy bmp-2 tried to land. drive ukrainian positions, however

unsuccessfully, the equipment effectively blew up on anti-tank mines, let's see how it all turned out.

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numbers are free , vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. we have our first guest on the phone, this is oleksiy. military analyst, major reserve of the national guard of ukraine, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war. mr. major, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you. mr. major, how many times we ask our viewers and tv viewers whether they think a victory for ukraine is possible without the capitulation of putin, how would you answer this question? i think that it is impossible, because what then, what can be considered a victory? there can only be victory. in the event that russia, well, putin, russia capitulates, or makes a decision, well, to withdraw the troops, well, that, that could be a collapsed version of surrender, recognition of defeat in this war, war, well, maybe the word surrender is here, it is more extensive,

well, if there was some other word, then it would definitely be without this word, no, but surrender, i think that not all will answer that, well , like me, because well... the word surrender is hard to imagine, that russia would capitulate, admit defeat, withdraw troops, well, this is not exactly surrender, well, here, you know, the question was not so difficult in the grand scheme of things, it seems simple, but actually quite simple difficult, i think it will be very interesting to see how our viewers will vote, so we will see at the end of the program already the results of this vote, we will start our conversation from tonight when... russia launched a combined strike, another combined air strike on ukraine, launching 30 axes one means of defeat, including 14 missiles and 17 kamikaze drones, the air defense of ukraine destroyed seven enemy missiles and 17 drones,

according to ilya yevlash, major of the armed forces of ukraine, spokesman for the air force of the armed forces of ukraine. russia uses tactics combined air strikes with regrouping and changing the direction of movement of missiles and drones, let's listen to ilya yevlash's assessment, they can add a different type, for example, a combat unit, so increase or decrease it depending on the task, in addition, as we saw this night, how , for example, three groups of shaheds united in two, then... ceased to exist, that is, this is a regrouping, and as we can see, this is also a change in the direction of movement, for example, cruise missiles today flew to western ukraine, to kolomyia, after which they turned around and flew back in the direction of starokostyantiniv, i.e. such techniques with

the use of altitude changes, yes, they happen constantly, and from time to time, each attack is unique in its own way. sir mr. major, how have the tactics of the russians changed during shelling, massive shelling of the territory of ukraine during these two years of war? well, she, they, in the beginning they just did, let’s say, linear attacks, they used, they didn’t combine different for different missiles, ballistic, they didn’t combine them with winged fighters, they didn’t combine them with shaheds, they didn’t combine missiles maneuvered, they launched them like this. confident that our air defense will not be able to cope with them and that they will achieve the goal, these attacks that they are doing, well, these are things, well , the air force spokesman is right, but this, well, we need, we need him to say it, but although from

a military point of view, these things are obvious, well , a cruise missile, it is not ballistic because it is maneuverable, it is not high-speed, unlike ballistic, but it is maneuverable, and this is its advantage. height changes, direction changes, full turn, just like shaheda, that's what he is yes, he said, on this, it was worth paying attention to the fact that they separate and connect, by and large the shahedis have, well, not the shahedis, disembodied aerial vehicles must attack according to a certain tactic, and the tactic should be specifically grouping them into a certain combat battle formation, which will be as difficult as possible to defeat air defense means or. by our mobile groups, well , if one flies one after the other, then the second or third may fly by, they may not be able to catch him, well, there are a lot of things, that’s all in the grand scheme of things, it’s tactics, well, i don’t i am sure that the combat constitution in the russian federation has already been changed, and the tactics

of air attacks from disembodied aircraft have been prescribed, but the tactics that were used before, when airplanes were used, are... well, this is exactly what, well, in russian star raid, that is, at the same time, when at the same time the same city i... which was chosen as a target, is attacked by different, well, in the combat statutes it is written about planes, different planes from different heights, from different directions, from at different speeds, and this is the most difficult repel such raids for anti-dust defense, now the same applies, only not airplanes, but winged and winged missiles and drones, well, shaheds, and well, that’s the icing on the cake, as they say, ballistic missiles can also be added. the main thing is that they arrived, well, almost simultaneously or in certain waves, this is also an overload of our e

against, well, any of our, any anti-aircraft defense, so to say that this is some kind of know-how, this is some tactic, well, i taught and studied such tactics , when a long time ago he studied at an anti-aircraft missile school, but this it was the 80s, i.e. 40 years ago to consider that this was the latest tactic, then it was not the latest, well, there is no other, just sometimes. many people begin to say that there are some know-how, well, we love these words so much, there is some meaning that we do not understand, there is a gigawatt, nanotechnology, something like that, know-how, what know-how, this is all known, this is all known, and it was already, as they say, as someone said, but , but, mr. major, with the appearance of drones , the nature of war has changed, the nature of the war has not changed, yes, now, now it is possible to create a very powerful starburst. the so-called, well , i studied the russian language then, but not a bunch

of planes, let’s say there are 10, but maybe fifty shaheds and combining with missiles, ballistic treasures, and if it will be one target, well, like some, well, i don’t want to name the city or any target on our territory, it will be the most difficult, the most difficult to defend it and it will not be possible to repulse it 100%, well, none of the interget complexes are 100%. are destroyed, we already have an indicator for the destruction of missiles and missiles, well, missiles are almost 100%, here in general this is a unique situation, but ballistic a high percentage, well, it fell a little, well, not because we began to work worse in combat calculations, because there were no, well, there were no missiles for a certain time in our country, our percentage corresponds to the tactical and technical characteristics and even exceeds those laid down in various anti-aircraft - missile complex, well, to be clear... according to the technical and technical characteristics of the patriot anti-aircraft missile complex, it has a probability of impact of 0.7,

i.e. 70%, simply put, out of 10 missiles, it shoots down seven, it is a patriot, well, it's one missile, so the air is often targeted, it has to be i mean missiles and, well, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles are attacked with two or even three missiles, then the probability of destruction increases, well, almost there to 90 percent or more, so here... well, nothing so unexpected, well, we know how to fight with such raids, we know what to do in response, it is also prescribed, and therefore it was also prescribed quite a long time ago, there is already someone here, who will use their technique better, who will more accurately adhere to the tactics that are prescribed, well, let's do it again, well, about let's say that the army does not fight for know-how, it fights according to protocols, according to prescribed combat statutes, because they are prescribed, as they say... you don't need to use blood and invent something, you need to use what is prescribed in a timely and correct way

and act according to the situation and use exactly that tactic and the very weapon that, well, if it exists, which is the most useful in this situation, no one is sitting there and no, let's not, we haven't tried that already, there's no need , there's no need to try, it's necessary to follow what is written in the combat statutes and the main thing is to perform clearly so that everyone... every link this chain performed its functions, well, at least 90%, then, then the goal is achieved, mr. major, so it is, it is so, unfortunately, but fortunately it looks like a rule is a rule, a statute is a statute, everything is clear, here absolutely everything you speak clearly, let's talk about the situation on the front, because the new york times writes that the russian army is preparing for a major offensive in the coming weeks to disrupt ... any military gains of ukraine and spoil the celebration of the 75th anniversary of nato

during the alliance summit in washington the following month, at the same time in may, russia was losing up to a thousand soldiers killed every day in the kharkiv region, but russia was still unable to create a buffer zone in the kharkiv region, as putin claimed, and ukrainian pravda writes about this with reference to an unnamed nato official. i will quote the publication. gains in kharkiv. the region seems to have come to russia at a rather high price. russia probably suffered losses of almost a thousand people per day in may, which is quite an astronomical figure. thus finite. the result of russia's victory will be limited in this direction. how do you, mr. major, assess the current situation after ukraine was allowed to use western weapons on the territory of the russian federation? did this curb the appetites of the russians and their offensive, in particular in the direction of kharkiv and

near kharkiv, or did they fire at kharkiv with s-300, s-400, some of them. newbies were destroyed after our western partners actually told us so, what is happening there now? well, appetites have not decreased, they, let's go so that we can win, well, first of all, well, not first of all, maybe you can't say that, first of all, we need to understand that the war will not end quickly, and we have to gradually squeeze, overwhelm the enemy, whether they will try to make the next... the next waves, well, now we want positive relyasci again, vydyksya nesye big losses, yes, these are not big losses for him, he can mobilize a large number of people, for them we lost in the month of may we counted about 39 servicemen, 41 were added from their reserves, that is, we killed 39, in a dry spell, as they say

plus 200, well, 39 were destroyed, 41 were added to the losses, if, if you even look at it for us, on official data, even how many soviet union on official losses only, if you count, it is three years, three afghanistans, conditionally, or four, it is necessary, it is necessary to compare this war with the second world war, it cannot be compared with afghanistan, and if we take the second world war, then these losses are such that, well, the second world war there were losses. if you count on daily or monthly basis, they were no less, even more, this is a war, a full-scale war, it it is more similar, after all, it is closer to the second world war than to the afghan war or any other war there, but those wars can be considered, well, even the israeli wars or the vietnam wars or the korean war , more or less locally as a conflict, it is a full

-scale a war in europe, the likes of which has not happened since the second world war, and they will lose. will renew, but sooner or later it will end, early, i just said about it, that it is early, but to hope that it will be easy and simple, well, it is not worth it, will they have it, will they be able to increase their offensive actions, they will be able to, there is not very good news from north south korea that they saw north korea, they saw from south korea, north korea sent up to 5 million shells to russia, well, i doubt it very much. that it is true, but even if such information is not very good, maybe it is less, but we know that north korean shells, artillery shells, are meant, they are not of very high quality, not everyone there can confirm, but if at least there would be several million shells, russia is so superior in the number of shots, there are also additional shells, it can

increase their shelling by two, maybe even three times for a certain time, then it will be possible... to be considered exactly part of that offensive , the strengthening of that offensive, which, well , the same russians say, analysts say , the west is not ours, that they are completely grouped maybe with regard to kharkiv oblast, well, they did not plan to seize kharkiv because the forces they used there were the forces and means of people and equipment, well, it was roughly the same as during the storming of avdiivka, well, avdiivka is, well , bakhmuty, well, it is a city of 30,000 and a millionaire city. well, of course they couldn't and didn't planned, because they are not stupid, we constantly want to think of them as some, yes, orcs are there and so on, all the words, but they, too, are learning and they would not plan military operations to capture the city, using forces that are for this, well

, not that for this not enough, i think they will continue to do business in kharkiv oblast and sumy oblast. will be, they are pulling up reserves for both sumy oblast and kharkiv oblast, what will be in sumy oblast, it is difficult to say yet, there may be something similar to kharkiv oblast, and in kharkiv, they want to advance as much as possible closer to this city, at the distance of an aimed artillery shot from the barrel artillery in order to uh, well , try to turn the city into a gray zone or just keep it under tension and give, well , the normal functioning of the city to all structures, to all er, to everything that is in in the city, in order for it to function, the entire infrastructure, they will try, if not to destroy it, then to keep it under tension, because during artillery fire, even the air... no one announces the alarm, because the alarm is air, the rocket flew , saw, maybe there is little time there, but the party shots can be out of the blue, at

any time, they can discover this wagon, so they will try, whether they will succeed or not, well, according to official sources, well, there who has an acquaintance, also knows that behind that line of confrontation the front line in kharkiv region is already several kilometers away... relatively good fortifications have been built and most likely, if they climb, then we will not just cling to the fields in the field for some a tree or behind some dilapidated building there, and let's go a few kilometers to our fortifications, which have been built, and it will be convenient for us to maintain defense there, and i think the number of destroyed orcs will increase, losses from our side will decrease, because well, keep... be on the defensive, if it is a reinforced concrete structure, well, yes , as it is said there that it is really not badly done, then it would be not bad, and here again we really need in

16, as if unrelated things, but these fortifications can be destroyed by kabs, we cannot knock down kabs with other means, ground, only by air, i.e. by phantoms, you hear f16, well, maybe we’ll wait for phantoms too, well, you may have slandered, i wanted to ask you about this, when we talk about the losses that the russians suffered in may, and we understand that these are big losses, as you say, even by the standards of the second world war, what losses for russia will be painful, which will force russia to cancel the war, or will they never count with anything at all, there will simply be... as many people as it takes, well that they can do whatever they want, no they want, the point is that there are losses for

units that are critical, well, this unit becomes, well, not very functional anymore with a loss of 30%, with a loss of more than 50%, it is already everything, it needs to be changed, because it already no no, well, he can't conduct hostilities, because he's suspicious. it's not just a bunch of people there, there 's a company of 100 people, there's also a communications department, so-and-so, so-and-so, and so-and-so, and when it's lost, then half is lost, then the connection is lost, that is it's just people, as they say, like a movie, like a gun, that's not it anymore a military unit, it's just people, there's a certain number of people with weapons who basically don't communicate, don't manage themselves the way they should, well, they have to be withdrawn, replenished and that's all. after that , apply again, critical, now half a million, they plan to reach somewhere up to 700-800 thousand

by september, so in order for them to become unsustainable, we need, we need to destroy another 1300-400 during this time until autumn, well honestly, i think it won't be hard to do, mister major, when we're talking about... autumn whether it is about the winter or the duration of the war, one way or another we understand that the russian federation is preparing for a long-term war, although today the same putin started talking about the fact that let's stop hostilities and there will be peace, and it will not truce, but we, let's exchange peace in ukraine for four regions that we have already annexed, plus the autonomous republic of crimea, troops. ska ukrainians will leave the territory of the donetsk, luhansk, zaporizhzhya, kherson regions, i.e. those parts that are russian they do not control, they must leave, yes,

the armed forces of ukraine must leave, nuclear-free status, neutral status of ukraine, demilitarization, denazification, well, that is , in fact, what putin said today, should it be taken as an ultimatum in his mouth as well. peace means war, yes, well orel wrote correctly, he thought it was a novel, and it was an instruction manual for putin, i understand, this book, the point is that when putin is afraid of something, he is afraid of nuclear status, well , whatever he demands, it means that he is afraid of it, and here it is already possible to predict he, when he starts to heal, it's, he's not very... well, things are going well, and he's not very sure that everything will turn out the way they planned, that is, when he feels that it won't turn out as planned they all wanted,

the intimidation begins. because what do we have to do? well , i'm sure that it's necessary in washington right away, so that there are at least some decisions regarding our movement in nato, well, everything is written in our constitution, we can't change it, and i 'm sure that the nuclear-free status should be canceled, it is necessary to regain the nuclear power status, i think that we will be able to come to an agreement with our partners, if it is not our domestic nuclear weapons, then at least as in nimes. do not interfere with turkish people, let it be something other than american, because it is sometimes difficult to agree with them, well, it is a big country, there are many different opinions, but with the british, i think, there are no issues, we, if we, it is according to international law, if we give permission , and we have certain agreements, military agreements, military alliances, in various formats, with some country, and it wants to keep nuclear weapons on our territory, and we are not against it, then this

not... in violation of any international laws, well, for example, how the russians can legally keep their nuclear missiles in belarus, the same way, and this, well, it does not violate anything, we may not like it, but it does not violate law, we can also keep, well , british or french nuclear missiles on our territory, or renew our nuclear status, i think that would be exactly what we need, but exchange the so-called measure on'. more regions, well, what kind of fear is this, we have to give up our regions, let's go we will come up with counter-proposals, we will create a demilitarized zone, and we will create a separate republic of kursk, which is there, my god, bryansk, belgorod, well, the word stuck, well, you can, well, i’m joking, of course, it’s a sad joke, well, you can do something like that, such a shahini for ... the answer,

you know, when a person says stupid, downright stupid, and we begin to seriously react and respond to him, and he tries, we try to prove to him that it is not necessary to do that, he is not going to, he is not was going to insist on this, and he needed exactly the windows of overton to a conversation began about this, that there is some kind of reaction to their utter nonsense, and then they can, well, in russian, oh well. give us four oblasts, i will go to your meeting, give us three oblasts, so it is necessary to respond very simply to such people, with such statements, or remain silent and say that we do not comment on the achinia, or the same kind of stupidity, so that in they have lost their minds there, let's, well, for example, let's give us the kursk region, like in that movie, yes, kursk there, well, give it to us, that's what we decided, and why no, and accept it and hand it over... well

, burundi, here we are putting these demands on you, hand over all the nuclear weapons to bor, well , that's the kind of nonsense, they say the same kind of nonsense, how scared would you be to tell us what alliances we have enter, what should we do, out of what fear should we search for the arrow of victory with you to agree that in order to give you some of our territories, well, what is it, and we react to it, we don't need to react to it, it's either... . that we do not respond to a fool, or launch the same fool in response. thank you, thank you, mr. major conversation, it was oleksiy hetman, a military analyst, reserve major of the national guard of ukraine, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war. friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages on these platforms and also take our

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