and also take part in our survey, today we ask you about whether the victory of ukraine is possible without the capitulation of putin, yes, no, two options for answers, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think , that the victory over putin, or the victory of ukraine is possible without the capitulation of putin, 0.800 211 381 that this victory is impossible without the capitulation of putin 0.800. 21182 all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will summarize this voting. at once, several large forums of world meetings took place this week in europe, a large forum on the restoration of ukraine was held in germany, the meeting of the big seven began yesterday and ended today. big seven solve. give

ukraine 50 billion dollars at the expense of russian assets. the prime minister, the prime minister of italy, giorgia meluni , said that the g7 leaders had reached an agreement to provide ukraine with this amount, and for this it was all at the expense of frozen russian assets. let's hear what georgia maloney had to say. i i can confirm. that we have reached a political agreement to provide additional financial support to ukraine in the amount of about 50 billion dollars by the end of the year through a credit facility that can be used to repay excess profits from russian assets that are frozen in our jurisdictions. we are not talking about the confiscation of these assets, but about the interest that accrues over time. it's a pity that they are still only talking about the percentages that will be calculated. on

assets, russian assets are frozen in europe, because the russians have already started to panic, since they say that they will mutually confiscate the assets of western companies that are located in the russian federation, well , meanwhile, the g7 made another statement that russia should pay for damages in the amount of 486 billion dollars caused in ... ukraine, and this also quite a serious statement, we see how our western partners are starting to treat putin and his henchmen more harshly, because only numbers, only money, only opportunities, and the limitation of these opportunities can affect the one who sits in the kremlin, the one who who starts with... again talking about the fact that

he is not against peace talks, but on his terms. what peace talks mean in the understanding of vladimir putin is the mandatory capitulation of ukraine, because what the master of the kremlin is proposing means that ukraine must voluntarily give up four of its regions, plus the autonomous republic of crimea, that is, kherson, zaporizhzhia, donetsk, luhansk regions and autonomous... the republic of crimea, i.e. from five oblasts, or the autonomous republic of crimea has a special status, i.e. from four oblasts of the autonomous republic of crimea, and abandon the prospects of acquiring nuclear weapons, abandoning a large army, abandoning the movement towards the north atlantic alliance, i.e. those proposals that putin is making now, they are unacceptable for the ukrainian state, of course. that this week putin received

a lot of greetings from our western partners, first the united states of america, then great britain, then canada introduced another round of sanctions against russians and russian companies. the moscow city council came under sanctions exchange, and as a result, the ruble, the russian ruble became truly wooden. because the russians stood in line for dollars, you see, they don't like the united states of america so much, but they had to stand in line and exchange these, apparently no one needs anymore, or let's say, devalued russian rubles for hard currency. in the ministry of finance of the united states of america, it was reported that as part of the expansion of sanctions, the united states of america prohibits. provision of

any software and it services to a person on the territory of russia, and this is stated in the statement of the head of the us treasury, janet yellen. she says the united states is increasing the risk to financial institutions that deal with russia's military economy and eliminating avenues for tax evasion, as well as reducing russia's ability to benefit from access to foreign technology, hardware, software and it - services well, of course, putin himself is now trying to explain... to russians that, as they say, the russian economy is stronger than ever strong, he constantly repeats that the russian economy is one of the four largest economies in the world, of course, putin traditionally lies, there is no, there is no

fourth place for the russian economy in the world economy, and he tries to constantly emphasize this. that we will survive, we will certainly do everything to take revenge on the west and the western countries that support ukraine, they say, it was the west that started the war, and everything is connected with it. friends, i remind you that we work live on the espresso tv channel and conduct poll, once again i urge you to vote in this poll, because your opinion is important for us, whether ukraine's victory is possible without putin's capitulation, yes, no. if you vote on the youtube channel, everything is quite simple, either yes or no, please write your opinion in the comments below this video. if you are watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on the appropriate numbers 0800 211 381 if you

think a ukrainian victory is possible without putin surrendering, and 0.800 211 382 if this victory is not possible without putin surrendering. then we have it. volodymyr tsibulko, political analyst, people's deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. let's start our conversation with the next so-called peace initiatives of vladimir putin. he once again announced an ultimatum to the world and ukraine today. and he said that he is supposedly ready for peace talks, but it is customary. on his own terms, let's listen to what he said. these conditions are very simple, ukrainian troops must be completely withdrawn from donetsk, luhansk, kherson and zaporizhia regions. moreover, i draw attention to this from the entire territory of these regions

within their administrative borders, which existed at the time when they were part of ukraine. declare that they are ready for such a decision and begin the real withdrawal of troops from these regions, as well as officially announce the rejection of plans to join nato, and from our side, immediately, literally at the same moment, an order will come to cease fire and start negotiations, well that is this ultimatum-2, right next to the ultimatum that was in 21, when putin demanded to prevent the expansion of nato to the east and... to give the ukrainian state under his patronage, well , the novel here is that he is already claiming that the world agrees with this theft , the great theft of four regions of ukraine, plus the autonomous republic of crimea and enshrining it in

some international legal act, what do you think about what putin did today and why he did it, well, the most interesting thing is that he appeals to kyiv, he does not appeal... still to of the democratic world, to the sponsors of ukrainian security, he emphasizes that kyiv must admit, this is the first, in general, if we talk about certain symbols, about body language, about colors, then the purple color is the color of lies, it is worth paying attention to the color of the crib putin's, it is unexpectedly purple, he has never been distinguished by a craving for... such a color, so you can say that he is just playing a scene for internal use here, because it is clear that after the real us sanctions, in particular against the russian banking system, putin

he perfectly understands that his economy will be put on his shoulders in a couple of months, but it is very important for him to create the illusion of success and... uh, well, i would say, uh, offensiveness, because he uh emphasizes that you agree with by what i have stolen, for i will steal even more, and i will oppress. but this is being said just on the eve of a fairly significant rearmament of the ukrainian troops and the acquisition of e-e aviation, and even as of today , this aggression of his on the kharkiv region, it was not just repulsed, it cost russia a lot of nerves, and the impression is that putin was preparing just somewhere there, well, to announce in connection with... the victory in kharkiv region, this, well, a similar appeal, but it looks like nothing in

kharkiv region has broken for him, and now there is a problem with water supply in crimea, there is a problem with the economy in general, with weapons, and most importantly, in my opinion, panic has begun in russian society about this war, and the partisan movement is growing in... the territory of russia, this must also be recorded, it is growing quite significantly, well and zelensky has already responded to this proposal, so-called dictator putin's proposal for peace talks, let's listen to what the ukrainian president said, what i can say is that these messages are ultimatums, they are no different from other ultimatums he made before.

occupied territories, but he also wants our unoccupied territories, he talks about the regions of our country and has no intention of stopping, there will be no frozen conflict, mr. volodymyr, watching all these... international forms and summits that have taken place over the last few days, their there was a lot, and at the center of these forums was ukraine and the issue of ukraine's future. can we say that there have been changes in the political-diplomatic sphere this week, which will obviously lead to an even greater increase in aid to ukraine and more. to a greater understanding by the world of what should be done with putin? well, first of all, we have a certain

feeling that the expectations from the swiss peace summit were somewhat exaggerated in ukrainian society, but according to the nature of the representation and the number of countries, still this, i would say, is not a 10-0 victory, but it is already a victory, this is... the first, second, in fact , the current attack of putin, it is actually connected with much greater successes of the ukrainian negotiators in the preparation of the swiss summit than russia was hoping for this, because there was a feeling that 25 countries would refuse to participate in this summit, but it turned out that the efforts of china and russia still... did not pay off, and we can say that even this summit

with, well, i would say, no, not with huge expectations, but with a very decent result, and i myself was quite skeptical about the possibilities, but it turned out that the behavior of russia pushed many potential partners to such greater activity, and the most important thing... that all continents are represented at this forum, this is important, well , i will give brief statistics, because already these statistics are there, and there are already representatives, there are lists of representatives of foreign countries that will participate in this global peace summit, and it will begin on june 15 in switzerland, so 100 delegations, 57 heads of state and government, 29 ministers of foreign affairs. six countries have sent their plenipotentiaries, india, brazil, south africa are also

represented at this summit, and china will not be there, azerbaijan will not be there for some reason, armenia will instead participate in this summit, and there are already reports that volodymyr zelenskyi , who took quite an active part in various forums during this week, arrived in switzerland and... you see the video of the arrival of the ukrainian president in switzerland, and obviously, the very fact of holding this global peace summit and today's putin's hysteria indicates... that even before the start of this global peace summit, ukraine had already won, because this week was informative, this week in the western press, and for the western audience, this week was ukrainian-ukraine week, because it was also a forum for the restoration of ukraine in germany, and the big seven, and ramstein-23, and the

ukraine-nato council that took place this week, and by the way, zelenskyi's talks. with the leadership of saudi arabia, with the principle of saudi arabia, this, too, is part of this great preparatory, period and preparatory work for the global peace summit, i will ask you, mr. volodymyr, the absence of all 10 points of the peace formula under consideration, at this constituent conference, which will be held tomorrow or the constituent summit, is this a problem for... the country, what, well, no, not all issues included in zelenskyi's peace formula will be considered, but only three. well, there is one important factor here, the fact is that the representation of all the countries that are now, well, already on the announced list, are very friendly participants of the summit, that is, for such friendliness, during the work of the summit

suggestions can be made orally. regarding the entire scope of zelenskyi's initiatives, although zelenskyi himself narrowed it down to three initiatives, that is, nuclear security, first of all, in general, i have the feeling that the banks were hoping that when there is a decision on nuclear security, russia somehow, wanting to continue the dialogue, will still transfer zaporizhzhia under the control of ukraine, well, but to me... that putin has decided to blackmail even more with this occupied nuclear plant, so the most important thing is that what can be said, that the representative office provides an opportunity to discuss possible changes in the un and in the un charter and in

the structure of the council of security, if we pa, if in parallel with this on the sidelines... we will discuss the topic of changing the un, reforming the un and, of course, that this is not included in block of zelenskyi's proposals or initiatives, but i believe that an additional result of the summit would be, let's say, talk about the readiness of most countries, members of the united nations organization, for a serious reform of the un, because the un as of today... not you, not performs its main role, and it is interesting gutierrez should have been at this forum, but where is he, he refused to go to this forum, this is the most interesting thing, it is good that saudi arabia sent quite, well, quite an authoritative representative of the monastic

family, and i think this is enough, even if not at the level of the first person, this is quite enough. that is, in any case, it can be said that this is a continuation of the previous experience of joseph biden, who at one time in the 21st year convened a democracy forum, then most of the participants of the democracy forum, well the entire list of the democracy forum, then voted for a resolution in favor of ukraine at the un, that is, with... with the next democracy forum, which took place already in the 23rd year in march, the initiators still tried to reach a joint resolution, and there was there was a problem, because somewhere out of 120, in my opinion, six countries, 50 countries refused to sign a joint resolution, that is, there may be

an intrigue on the joint resolution of the peace summit, but i believe that in any case... the framework is such communication and well, a set of tangential interests of each of its participants the summit gives a perspective, firstly , to hold the next stage of such a peace summit more effectively, the most important thing is also to reach the reform of the un and the un security council and the creation of the un peacekeeping corps, that is... well , we remember when the ukrainian war is paralleled with korea, then i want to remind that it was the international contingent that protected korea then. another event... which took place this week and which is of great importance, well, at least, this event is called historic by president zelensky himself, is the signing with the president

of the united states of america, joseph biden security agreement, and what the president of ukraine himself says about this agreement, which he signed yesterday with the president of the united states of america. and this is the strongest. agreement with america, for all 33 years of our independence. there is a legally binding part of the agreement, there are absolutely useful details on air defense and aircraft. we have recorded that america will help ukraine in the supply of squadrons, fighter jets, as many fighter jets as ukraine needs. what is important? in the agreement with america , it is now recorded that there will be support for ukraine? both in time of war and in time of peace, indeed, sir vladimir, some western experts say that this agreement, they say, if

it is not ratified by the congress, the next president, well, for example, trump, he can simply cancel it, but, well, it is unlikely that president trump or whoever the next will be who will be the successor, biden, will take so many risks and so cut down. from the shoulder in order to refuse this security agreement, because this is also part of the internal policy of the contiguous states of america, which foreign policy? mr. serhiy, now the convention of the republican party is being planned, because when are we trump was mentioned, petro poroshenko was invited to the convention, the chairman of the verkhovna rada did not sign off on this trip for more than a month, so how will we be friends with the republic then. not to revise this agreement, in fact, we have ratified interstate agreements, this agreement is not ratified, but there is the experience of france,

for example, president macron has submitted the same agreement to the parliament, so that the parliament approves such an agreement at the level of a resolution, therefore, it is obvious that this ukrainian-american agreement is very often called... an analogue of the american one of the israeli security agreement, which began in essence with declarative norms of the same kind, but with a declarative form, but i would say that this is more of a conceptual agreement, it is an agreement to strengthen trust, and here, when it is done publicly in front of the whole world , then to retreat from... in the principle of democracy, they do not retreat, let's remember how much noise there was about the budapest memorandum, and those who are in a hurry to call this agreement the budapest

memorandum, really, well, it has not been ratified in the parliament, but even the budapest memorandum, being not ratified, he encouraged ukraine's partners, in particular. great britain and the united states at the time of russia's attack on ukraine should stand by ukraine, that is, democracies, when they make public promises, it is simply not easy for them to refuse public promises, because it destroys trust, and democracies are precisely coexistence based on trust, that's what what is the difference between democracy and autocracy, where is everyone? everyone suspects everyone. biden announced at a joint press conference with zelensky that the united states of america will not send troops to ukraine, but will help with

the provision of weapons and economic support. let's listen to what the president of the united states of america said. our goal is to strengthen ukraine's defense capabilities in the long term. ukraine will have the ability to defend itself now and deter any aggression in the future. states will help ukraine to do both. we will not send american troops to fight in ukraine, but we will provide all necessary weapons and ammunition. we will also provide intelligence and continue to train brave ukrainian soldiers on bases in europe and the united states. we will invest in ukraine's defense and industrial base, as well as support economic recovery. said that the white house is preparing a victory plan for the congress of the united states of america, in accordance with the previously passed law on

$60 billion in aid to ukraine. mr. volodymyr, do these statements and this agreement mean that the united states of america is making it clear to putin that there will never be a russian victory over ukraine, because the americans, the british, canadians have enough tools, apart from military, economic tools, which in principle can strangle russia and prevent it from continuing to wage war in ukraine? here is the question. not only to suffocate russia, but also to turn ukraine into such an economic tiger, because let's see, step by step, and the security agreement just adopted gives a chance to take the next steps and transform ukraine, let me remind you that similar agreements exist in israel, in the philippines, in japan, in south korea, that's what

was signed on the same day with japan... we states the security agreement seems to be so symbolic, but president biden loves symbolic gestures, let's remember how he signed the agreement, or rather the law on lendlis , on may 9, 2022, so this is a very symbolic gesture and signing on the same day as japan is a subtle tension about the fact that ukraine will be transformed into such a central european into the status of a central european tiger and the country will be made self-sufficient in terms of security, especially since ukraine itself is developing a large number of modern technologies that are of interest to the world, let me remind you that systems, the delta battlefield management system, which was developed in ukraine, has attracted a lot of interest from many nato countries, and well, in general.

the nato military committee, that is, we have a lot of our original developments, which give us a chance not to feel like a poor relative in the circle of developed countries. well, even yesterday zelenskyi said that he is ready to consider an alternative chinese peace formula, and also assured that the chinese leader xi jinping gave him his word not to give weapons to russia. let's listen to what zelensky said. i had them, i had a telephone conversation with the leader. china on the phone, he said that he will not sell any weapons to russia, this is the first thing, we will see, you and i will see, but he told me that, if he is a respectable person, he will not do this, because he gave me his word. they can prepare an alternative formula for peace if we share common, common views on this, as globally with the whole world, it seems to me, so...

if they share this path to peace, then we will find a dialogue, an opportunity for dialogue. mr. volodymyr, very briefly, do you mean what is kyiv ready to hold a dialogue with beijing? well , there is a dialogue with beijing, but not too intensively, this is the first, after all, we know examples when china and belarus jointly produced the polonaise missile complex, and these polonaises are in service with russia. no, by the way, that is, they are armed with azerbaijan, which is taking panels, we have to finish our program, please forgive us, the time of our program is coming to an end, it was volodymyr tsibulko, friends, i would like to remind you that we are conducting a survey throughout the broadcast and asking you about such , is the victory of ukraine possible without putin's capitulation, let's look at the interim poll results on the screen, please bring up 42%, yes 58%, 15 minutes after

release. to news from the bbc, we will return to the studio, there will be a journalist club, do not switch, give russia zaporizhzhia, kherson and the entire donbas, and also refuse to join nato, putin named the conditions for ending the war, at a time when ukraine... is preparing for the peace summit, which will start tomorrow in switzerland, why now and in general, will the peace summit be able to help ukraine, we are talking in today's of the bbc, i'm olga palomaryuk. the peace summit starts tomorrow in switzerland, but the day before it, vladimir putin, who was not invited to the summit, unexpectedly spoke about peace. at a meeting with the leadership of the ministry of foreign affairs, putin announced, and i quote: he is doing another one.