when russian troops were stationed near kiev. the text of these agreements was repeatedly published in one form or another by the western media, and according to these publications, russia demanded from ukraine neutrality, limiting the number of military weapons, equipment and aircraft, and also relinquishing the occupied territories. in kyiv , they didn't talk about the content of these agreements frankly until the end, but coming back to putin's current statement and his proposals, so to speak. it seems that this is the first time since the beginning of the full-scale invasion that the head of the kremlin has made a personal statement. similar suggestions, what happened? now we will talk about it, but first direct speech. the conditions are very simple, ukrainian troops must be completely withdrawn from the donetsk and luhansk people's republics, kherson and zaporizhzhia regions, and i draw your attention from the entire territory of these regions within the administrative borders that existed at the time of their incorporation into ukraine. as soon as kyiv declares that it is ready for such a decision, it will begin. the withdrawal of troops from these

regions, and will also officially inform about the rejection of the plans to join nato, on our part, will immediately, literally at the same minute , be followed by an order for a cease-fire and the start of negotiations. well, i will remind you once again that putin's proposal was made literally a day before the beginning of the peace summit organized by ukraine, which will take place on june 15-16, well, in fact, tomorrow or the day after tomorrow in switzerland. according to radio liberty, as of the evening of the 11th. on june 78 countries and organizations will take part in the meeting, well, for example, such countries as china, brazil, saudi arabia and several other countries have refused participation in the summit, russia, of course, was not invited to it either. according to president volodymyr zelenskyi, the participants will discuss, in particular, the exchange of prisoners of war according to the all-for-all formula, as well as the issue of nuclear food security, these are three of the ten points outlined in zelenskyi's so-called peace formula, on the withdrawal of russian troops from ukrainian territories at the summit

they probably won't talk about it, at least the day before, western and not only western media wrote about it. mykhailo joins our broadcast podolyak, adviser to the head of the president's office, mykhailo, i congratulate you. yes, congratulations, congratulations. what do you think is behind putin's proposal today, to whom is it addressed to kyiv, is it addressed to someone else, or together? kyiv is definitely not, this is a banal proposal that has sounded since the beginning, from the beginning of the war, you should give up subjectivity, completely, from sovereignty, you should give up. from the possibility of self-defense, that is, not to enter into any alliances with the army, there were also points, by the way, they were also announced today, and this indicates that this a fake speech, the same thing that was said at the beginning of the war, demilitarization, denazification and so on and the like, as if there were no two years and three months of war, this is not addressed to kyiv, because it is definitely an unrealistic proposal, it is not even a proposal, but simply an ultimatum, we can't do it by military means, we've already lost sanitation there, our losses are more... then let's try this

way to accomplish what we can't do by military means. no, this is an interception attempt agenda, global, of course, on the eve of the summit, so that along with what will be discussed in switzerland , putin's statement will also be discussed, yes, well, that is, as if behind it, look, there is a proposal of the russian federation, this proposal may be supported by some other countries, well i mean how it will be conveyed by propaganda in russian, and nothing more. this is an attempt to prevent this from happening, you know, there is an understanding of what kind of war it is, there is an understanding of why more than 80 countries have gathered there, there is an understanding of how this war has come to an end, that is, what is a just end of the war, what is a return to international law, and so that this does not dominate the global information space, but two points of view dominate, look, there is a proposal from russia, which looks as follows : russia ultimatum demands recognize her right. ukrainians, ultimatum demands

the abolition of ukrainian statehood, ultimatum demands not to pay reparations or not to pay for the war as such, well, on the contrary , the lifting of sanctions, and ultimatum demands that the russian federation be given the right to remain in in the form in which it is and again to threaten all other countries with various formats of warriors, no more, but what, and what do you think russia and putin achieved with this statement, you say, the purpose was to change the agenda, if i you i understood correctly, see. putin's statements are already being discussed, as if they are some kind of new statements, for me it is completely strange , because he has never publicly voiced these statements, perhaps you know more, because you were in this delegation, i think, in istanbul, and before things, echoes, probably what he is now says, and what the russian side proposed at that time is not what is echoed, these are the same conditions with which they arrived, they emphasize once again, these are conditions that were definitely supposed to put an end to the existence of ukrainian statehood, certainly these conditions are not may not have been accepted at all. happen as

conditions for negotiations as such, so here i emphasize once again that it is strange for me that today it is being discussed, because there is nothing new here, these are the ultimate demands of russia. since the beginning of a full-scale invasion, no more, but not less, why putin announced this today, because there are more spokesmen today, you know, that is, it has always been the case that there is a large number of russian spokesmen who are very influential there, they can say something there, for example , lavrov, piskov, there are other people who comment in one way or another, there is a certain ushakov, maybe there, i don’t know, there are many of them, there were different people who voiced all the same things that putin is saying today, all this doesn't work anymore, so... if they think, well, they're a little infantile, that's it the russian federation, and they do not understand that putin's status today is not such a heavyweight status, yes, to which they are used to, not a heavyweight, but meanwhile he says this in order to add weight to the same proposals, that russia voiced,

i emphasize again, at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, this is an unrealistic scenario, which i like, i will even say so sarcastically, what i like about it, is that putin today unequivocally put ... full stop, let's say yes, in those illusions in which there are certain politicians, including those in the west, there are not very many of them, but still there are those who talk, so let's talk to them about something, but today putin said that you can't talk to him about anything, he will to insist on their right to kill with impunity, on their right to attack the sovereign territories of other states, on their right not to pay for this war, well, not only for this, for any war, everything that must be paid for war, i mean in legal, financial , and so on, that is, it means that... with this person, well, there is absolutely no point in agreeing on anything, i will record it now, you said that there is no point in agreeing, the summit will be held tomorrow, the peace summit will begin in switzerland, you said that i am, that putin's task, including to knock down this summons

that will be at this summit, do you allow that there will be people, participants at this summit, who will repeat this narrative and offer ukraine to agree, to consider, at least, his proposals. let's, let's fix something else here, these proposals are of this type, periodically, you know, countries that are not deeply immersed in the nature of the war, do not understand the nature of the russian regime, do not understand the reason for russia to attack ukraine, they said yesterday and the day before yesterday, yes, russia is already saying something, it is proposing that you agree on some conditions of coexistence there, they this is what they talked about, i mean, it especially concerns the countries of the so-called global south, the countries of latin america, the asian region, and so on, they talk about it all the time, but the same issue is that the war today is more clearly understood , ago including for countries with a neutral status, it is clear that if it was clear to them, they would have come to a greater extent to the peace summit in switzerland, and they, as far as i understand, will not be, let's here, let's

put the dots here, to china now let's go back, but let's put the dots on what, look, the war certainly understood that there is a country legally, an aggressor country, which attacks in violation of international law. another country, but there are countries that, taking a neutral position, simply make money from this war, that is, they have certain national interests, as they say, and they make money from the war, they don't care much, i apologize, there are all ethical norms, moral norms and so on, they don't care about the opportunity to take advantage of this moment in order to improve their positions there, there are countries, by the way, which, for example, have a certain dependence on the right of veto of the russian federation, which it often uses there in the un security council. and so on, that is, there are different motivations of countries that take a more or less neutral position there, but more or less, i mean, which more actively promote that position, which less promote, who generally do not want to comment on the war, but you know, today there is an understanding, unlike a year ago or a year and a half ago,

there is an understanding that russia is not a superpower there, as it was perceived and at the beginning of a full-scale, and even after the first year of war there, no, that the russian federation ... in any case, it is a fairly weak country with a large resource economy, but it is not a technological economy, and all that is said there is about militarization, restructuring economy, it is not true, there are also deficits in the russian federation that are increasing in terms of the possibility of waging war, let's go back to this statement by putin, yes, but what preceded it, this bravado, you remember, for eight months, when ukraine was not receiving resources, yes, well, it means weapons, ammunition and so on, and russia, on the contrary , was accumulating enough... a lot, especially in the kharkiv direction, and what we saw with you, how many conversations there were, now there will be such an offensive, that's it, it's all over, they went in for 2 km, for 3 km, everything stopped, they cannot go further, but despite the fact that they concentrated a huge amount of resources there, they wanted to implement their initiative, you

connect, you connect obtaining permission to use american weapons on russian territories with this statement by putin, no-no-no, it's all complex, look, let's look at putin a little more broadly again. here is what he expected, he expected: there is a certain delay in the supply of the resource to ukraine, there was, there was, well, that is, ukraine did not receive the at a certain stage of war, we need tools for waging war. was many. political speculation, including that of our key allies. russia, on the contrary, at this moment received an opportunity there from north korea to compensate for the shortage of its projectile, began to use a guided aerial bomb, began to use the sum of multi-sabotage groups in the northern direction, concentrated mobilized resources in the kharkiv direction. at this moment, putin is actively, not putin, it is meant, russia, of course, in general, is actively propagandistic worked to prove, now we will once again... start an offensive and we will definitely show that ukraine cannot oppose us, that's all, that

was today, after you see, he did not get the results of the offensive, moreover, ukraine began to receive resources in full again, yes, well, slowly, but began to receive, thirdly, the rules of the game have changed, this is what you are talking about, permission to attack the territory of the russian federation, something that could not have been imagined six months ago , then the harsh rhetoric of western countries, well, it is meant not only there we take. macron's statements, but we also take the statements of right-wing politicians, yes, well, who do not say that the russian federation should be unequivocally supported there, even after the elections to the european parliament and so on. all this creates a completely different reality, which, first of all, putin cannot comprehend, he cannot understand it. second, he cannot propose anything other than the continuation of the war, because any end to the war not on his terms will mean the collapse of putin's vertical. he also realizes this. yes i am understood, let's go back to the summit, because this is exactly the statement putin made before the peace

summit in switzerland, which is very important for ukraine. what, let's say, once again, what is the meaning of tomorrow's summit, or what opportunities and prospects, in the best case scenario, does it open up for kyiv? dominance in the information order, that peace can be just like that, is what putin wants to knock down, which we talked about a little above, the dominance of the concept. that peace cannot be fictitious, peace cannot be at the expense of let's say, the reduction of subjectivity or sovereignty or territoriality of one or another country, that there can be no peace when international law is violated, all this must be recorded, there is no difference whether in a communique, or in discussions, or on the fields, or on the sidelines and so on, this is key, i definitely think that if it is recorded on the sidelines or in the communiqué, there is still a difference, isn't it, i understand, i would like to have all 10 points that are in the formula, so that they were already fixed as basic for us to return to certain ones

the rules of the game, well, i mean the game from the point of view of the global political process or international law, but look, there are points of consensus where countries definitely say that any war, any conflict, generates many humanitarian disasters, and this is a consequence , these points, they are talking about these consequences, and there are points that need debate, but they should dominate, and look, the agenda was changed by the summit, they talked about it, countries constantly discussed, it is necessary to participate, how to participate and so on. let's go back now to china very briefly to be clear. for me, the position of china, well, to be frank, is strange, because, well, if you claim a completely different political role, which you did not have before the full-scale invasion of russia in ukraine, and today, well, subjectivity russia has fallen, russia's reputation has fallen and so on, china can play a completely different political role, but today you exchange this potentially large role for... let's say neutral status, a neutral position, you don't want to take part directly in the key

events, it doesn't mean that you have to support something at this event, but you have to debate, and look, let's go back to china, let's talk about china now, just a minute, i still want to understand, as of now, you know how many countries will take part in the summit, because according to radio liberty, as of june 11, there were only 78 countries, somewhere, i think that the release will be complete tomorrow, yes... all countries are listed, can there be such a one by today evening, but somewhere around 90, as far as i remember, the number of 90 countries is present at various levels, well, i have there will be attendees of different status levels, let's go to china now, let's go to china , let's go, well, 90 countries, maybe there will be, maybe there won't be, let's see, there are 10 points of volodymyr zelenskyi's peace formula, it's not some official document, as far as i understand, it's there not adopted by the government, the parliament, nevertheless, there are proposals of ukraine. of these 10 points , three will be discussed at the summit: nuclear security, food

security and the release of all prisoners of war and the return of ukrainian children. idea idea before such a narrow focus was in order to get more chances to attract as many countries as possible, which have maintained neutrality there, maybe for some reason, so that these topics, these topics are quite close to them, and that they take part in it, but... but you see 90 countries are not all, that is, it was not possible to attract ukraine, let's imagine that those who do come, they will agree in the final communique and say, yes, i don't know, russia and ukraine should exchange. prisoners of all against all, and russia must return ukrainian children, well, let's go to be honest, it doesn't guarantee that it will happen the next day, or it will happen in a week, or soon after the summit, it doesn't guarantee anything, it's just an intention, let's do it then, first of all, it's a fixation of a key event that has to record that countries, if they want to have certain

rules, still need to put pressure on the russian federation, which breaks these rules, and this will be the only, let's say, information. the information field in which these countries will be located, but if you ask the question like you do, then definitely the russian federation for now, and we talked about this, by the way, on your broadcast, until it receives a certain number of tactical defeats, but look, everything that is happening today is the same, russia says, we have the resources to continue the war, there is no difference, what putin said in terms of ultimatums, but he almost directly says, i will fight as long as i have the resources, and therefore it is clear that a country that is imprisoned for war, it will not listen to arguments there, it will not appeal to the international rights, they reset it and so on, they will... consider only the power methods of countering russian aggression, what does this mean? and this means that ukraine has , in parallel, ukraine must fix its position, ukraine fixes its position within the framework of the peace summit, fixes its diplomatic, informational position, so that it is political. let's face it, there are points that clearly say that the peace can only be fair, which takes into account such and such positions, but if the task

is exclusively to fix one's positions, then you can fix all 10 points of peace. and not just three, but there are consensus notes, look, you just said, there are a large number of countries, who are not part of the so-called bremstein club, that is, they will not come like that, saudi arabia will not be there, brazil will not be there, china will not be there, look at us, we have 90 countries, but in addition there will be a communique, which will again be public , big, that is, it will be said that such a number of countries understand the consequences of the aggression of the russian federation, understand the parallel consequences it leads to in other territories. and so on, this is important, because we return, but no one cancels the main one. ukraine is speaking today that yes, we are ready, together with our partners, to continue putting military pressure on russia. for this, as you just said, we need permits, and foreign contingents, if possible, and passive defense of the sky, and weapons, weapons are there as part of one or another supply program, but at the same time , ukraine fixes, publicly fixes at the level of

a communiqué, let’s, if there will be voluminous communiqué, records that she understands that i will return such a thing. to international law, which clauses should be in these, say, peace agreements, really just clauses, and how to go about it, and this, by the way, is important from the point of view of influence, for example, on international platforms, which today occupy a strange position, for example, the un, the un security council, it will be important for the influence on latin american countries, talk, look, so we talk about peace, only about peace, just, which you also want to be related to, is meant when china, now to china for short, china, yes, yes, i just have a question. yes, well, when china says that we are for that, you remember the 12 points of china, what did they offer there about a year and a half ago , they offer their own form, they offer it now, yes, now let’s move on to the present, they say, we are for territorial integrity, so it looks strange, you say in one point, territorial integrity is a key, basic, basic value, and also in

the second point you say, so let's immediately cease fire and let russia stay where on your territories, that is , there is no territorial integrity then, we are talking about china, we must be present at the summit, because this status certain because you want to play a different political role, and the second component is that it is not necessary that you should support the proposals of ukraine, but if you are going to give your proposals, then you need to argue them logically, then you have to say, there is no concept of territorial integrity, there is no sovereignty, we propose that whoever is stronger, or has more military resources, has the right to go anywhere and beat anyone. this will be a normal position, well, i mean normal not from the point of view of common sense, but from the point of view proposal, which is logically understandable, because it looks like this so far, and who, what would you call beijing in relation to kyiv now, who is it? a neutral country, not just a neutral country, well, listen, well, not just a neutral country, if you take into account the position

of volodymyr zelenskyi, he recently publicly accused while in singapore of accusing... beijing of disrupting the peace summit because china is convincing some countries not participate in it, is it a neutral country from your point of view? china, look, once again the president said the objective facts that we are following, that there was an attempt by the russian federation to disrupt the summit and that this attempt was joined by other countries that offered not to go, because there is no presence of the russian federation there, well, that is, they also broadcast the same thing that the russian federation , china is both officially and unofficially neutral. position in relation to the war and i would like that, if even a neutral position, so that it is logically, officially and unofficially neutral, china takes an officially and unofficially neutral position, and which the position is taken by china, i ask you, do you think that china is neutral both officially and unofficially, but china, but china helps russia? look, it's one thing,

what you think, you think analytically, and another thing, china legally, it emphasizes this, it takes a neutral position regarding the war of russia against ukraine, just like any other country, well, maybe there north korea declares supplies russia with its components for drones, for weapons, and so on, is this neutrality? china supplies complete, it must be proved legally, and there are relevant international institutions that should take care of it, just as iran supplies russia, north korea supplies, by the way, even despite the fact that the declaration, well, the un resolution, which directly prohibits military cooperation between russia, between north korea and any other country, but again, when we talk about any investigation, if there are legal arguments, then this is one. affairs and then it will be possible to discuss it there on various platforms, if it is just that we are talking about the fact that china is like something supplies, that is another matter, and finally , the key thing is that china officially, i repeat,

legally declares its neutral position, you and i cannot say in the abstract that china takes a pro-russian position, we can only speak based on the fact that i do not i know abstractly or not abstractly, but volodymyr zelenskyi accused china of disrupting the peace summit, once again, china, like any other country, which looks at this situation strangely, he was engaged in something, he was engaged only in reducing the turnout of other countries, especially the regions, that this is not a disruption, what it's not a disruption, well, a disruption, but that doesn't mean that china takes an exclusive pro-russian position there, china does, but it doesn't mean that it takes a neutral position, that's right now we're discussing something a little strange, and i'm just trying to understand kyiv's relationship with beijing, there are specific things, so we need to do something now, i want to hear you say that china for, no, just a second, you

keep insisting, i say, china officially declares a legally neutral position, it officially says that he does not interfere in conflict, does not support the russian federation, does not finance the war as such, you say that what we said, so abstractly said that china takes a pro-russian position, why, well , that is, why should it be done now, china takes after... the finalization of the war, fair finalization, of course, and the formula, as i just said, is chinese, it is strange, because here is territorial integrity, here please, we will make sure that you immediately cease fire in favor of the russian federation and so on. china cooperates with russia in the economy, china holds meetings there at the level of the president of china and the subject of putin and so on, but this does not mean that we have to officially say that china occupies. the russian position for what? well, you actually already seem to me that, well, not you personally, but the ukrainian side is actually talking about it at various platforms, for what, well

, at least, at least it becomes clear why china is not present at this conference, which at this summit, the summit which convenes, it seems to me that it is now becoming clear that china it is precisely a tool of influence on russia, which can put its vassal on... no more, but no less. mykhailo, thank you very much, mykhailo podolyak, adviser to the head of the president's office, we talked about putin's current statement, and we talked about the prospects of a peace summit in switzerland, which ukraine will convene tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. thank you very much. well, more details about volodymyr zelenskyi's peace formula, how the world perceives it, and what to expect from the peace summit in switzerland. zoryana stepanenko, more details. proposals to end the war. ukraine and russia came from all over the world, they were nominated by the current and former presidents, pope elon musk, to help the world community imagine what the future

peace might look like or at least its contours, neutral switzerland took up, and at the request of ukraine, it is hosting the peace summit. we want to discuss the ways of a comprehensive, just and durable peace in ukraine based on international law and the un charter, and we want to outline together a timetable for both sides. may be involved in the future peace process. kyiv and moscow have already tried to negotiate directly, as soon as russia invaded ukraine. details of the 17-page draft agreement were later disclosed by zmi. according to these reports, ukraine had to abandon its plans to become part of nato, reduce the size of its own army, russia, and maintain de facto control over crimea. as for the territory of ordlo, these issues are presented in a separate item. which will be discussed as part of the negotiations between the presidents of ukraine and the russian federation. after the murders in buchi, an event in which a number of world

leaders sharply condemned the negotiations between kyiv and moscow forgot the project, which russia tried to supplement with new requirements, remained on paper. ukraine, divwelt reports, refused to give the russian language the status of a second national language and to withdraw claims against moscow in international courts. the russian leadership sometimes mentions failed agreements and suggests returning to them. let them return. but it returns not on the basis of what one side wants, but on the basis of those agreements ... reached during the difficult negotiations in belarus and turkey, and on the basis of today's realities, which have developed on earth. western media, citing sources in the kremlin, have repeatedly reported on moscow's readiness for negotiations, allegedly to stop the war. reuters, citing sources close to the russian president, wrote that he is ready to freeze the war on the current front line. the ukrainian authorities are against it, believing that russia will only regroup

in order to strike with new force. volodymyr zelenskyy, in turn, is trying to group the international community around his formula for peace, for the sake of the summit in switzerland. do we have any other? a continental dream, apart from a peaceful europe? no, do we have any other duty than to protect our peoples, our europe and the rules-based international order. no, russia has other goals. sees peace, zelensky presented at the end of 2022, after the successful counteroffensive of ukrainian troops in kharkiv oblast and kherson, among the 10 points, the withdrawal of russian troops from the entire territory of ukraine and bringing russia to justice, the ukrainian foreign ministry said that more than 80 countries supported the plan , mostly western. in the united states and the eu believe that it is up to ukraine to decide when to sit down at the negotiating table and under what conditions. nobody wants peace more than

ukrainians. ukrainians are victims of defiant criminal aggression and decide for themselves when the moment will come to sit down and talk about peace and what form this peace will take. in moscow , zelensky's plan is categorically rejected. other alternative ideas are born on this soil, mainly in the countries for whose support ukraine is fighting. the geography of peace initiatives looks something like this. south africa, indonesia, brazil, china, whether they are at the level of leaders or government officials. zmi was also informed about the turkish president's plan, but the ukrainian president's office later called it russian disinformation. there are also talks about donald trump's plan, but its details , other than the end of the war in a day, are unknown. indonesia proposed to cease fire at the current positions, create a demilitarized zone and hold a referendum on the so-called disputed territories. ukraine then declared that there were none. mission from africa, yakatori.

visited kyiv and moscow, called for a peaceful settlement through negotiations, de-escalation on both sides, security guarantees for all countries, adjustment of grain supplies from russia and ukraine, and the president of brazil offered to give crimea to russia in exchange for long-term peace and create a club of countries where all terms can be discussed. i don't want to please anyone, i just want to find a way to bring them both to the negotiating table. this war should not have started, russia should not have... invaded, but it invaded. the most discussed the alternative is a joint initiative between brazil and china, presented on behalf of the global south shortly before the summit in switzerland. beijing calls on the parties to de-escalate and cease fire through direct negotiations, as well as to hold a peace conference at the table with ukraine and russia. there is no mention of the withdrawal of russian troops. the head of the chinese foreign ministry said that more than 20 countries supported the plan.

china has always insisted that the international peace conference be recognized by the russian and ukrainian parties and that all peace proposals were negotiated fairly, otherwise it will be difficult to play a significant role in restoring peace. the chinese delegation is not at the summit in switzerland. negotiations with other countries of the global south regarding their participation continued until the end. no breakthrough is expected from the conference, especially since there is no troop withdrawal or compensation to ukraine for aggression on the agenda. but the goal of the summit remains to try to pave the way for peace and push the process through global diplomacy. zoriana stepanenko, marek hajduk, radio svoboda. well, while ukrainian diplomats are preparing for the peace summit in switzerland, intensified mobilization continues in ukraine, and against this background, the verkhovna rada is even discussing the possibility of transferring the functions of the central committee to civilian bodies. the deputy of the specialized committee told about this in particular.