six months ago, they do not trust the verkhovna rada of ukraine, that is, the verkhovna rada has one of the lowest trust credits, according to the latest polls that you may have conducted, what is the attitude towards the verkhovna rada, to its activities, what do people think, does the verkhovna rada need to be re-elected there , should this verkhovna rada continue to work after all, you ask the right questions and in the right context, because if you want to, let's say , criticize our parliament, then of course... you see that only 10-20% of ukrainians trust verkhovna rada, trust in it really increased after the invasion, but then it decreased, and traditionally throughout the history of independence, the verkhovna rada enjoyed undeservedly low trust, i say undeserved, because in critical periods the ukrainian parliament demonstrated its subjectivity, this is 2004, this the year is 2014, and in general there are enough decent people in the ukrainian parliament, but unfortunately, the population has a persistent impression of collective irresponsibility, and when there is a request for a certain order, the verkhovna rada is really especially to blame... both for corruption and

incompetence, but more than 70% of ukrainians believe that ukraine should have a blue parliament, that is, again, we criticize it, we do not like it for certain things, but we understand that without a parliament, a democratic ukraine will not happen, more than 90% of ukrainians are stable now, believe that ukraine should be a fully functioning democracy, and the parliament is one of those key relays for the development of democracy, and if before the invasion 60% of ukrainians preferred a strong hand that would bring order, now 60% of ukrainians prefer democratic system, that is why we need a parliament, but an updated, more effective one, but other authorities that very often fall into corruption scandals, that is, including the courts, individual judges, some possible other bodies or law enforcement agencies, here there is a certain balance of who is trusted the most and who is trusted the least, and what is the trend, the more the body is connected with the defense of the country, the higher is its trust, for example,

the security service of ukraine has grown significantly after the invasion, and now the majority of ukrainians trust the security service , because it is associated with the defense of the police, the situation has also improved, because many police officers show personal loyalty, bravery and indeed the defense of the country, at the same time, if we talk about judges and prosecutors, the situation is really critical, after the invasion, a window has opened, but the latest corruption cases, they really greatly reduce trust in judges and prosecutors in general, for example, when a drunken judge was detained there for the murder of... a guardsman, this is all a long, long investigation, it is negative affects the entire sphere in general, and on the one hand , people also want independence of judges, and by the way, when ukrainians talk about democracy, the number one criterion of a fully functioning democracy is fair justice for everyone, transparency, the rule of law, and this of course courts, and this is what ukrainians lack, and such things as related to judges really demoralize a lot of people, unfortunately, if we return to the topic of running again. to the topic of people

who, unfortunately, left our country, here is more one question i would like to ask is whether these people are satisfied with their stay in the countries in which you conducted the survey, how well or not well they are there, this is also a very important question in the context of whether our citizens will return , you know, we used this to calculate how likely a person would return, and most ukrainians. tsivs abroad claim that they are rather or completely satisfied with their living conditions, and one must understand why, because once again our allies have provided such hospitality housing, certain social assistance there, opportunities to take root, learn the language, adapt, education for children, medicine, so of course this satisfies many, the more the question in comparison, by the way, i am interested in the phenomenon that now ukrainians often assess the economic situation better than before before the invasion, objectively the situation is worse, but people's coordinate system is changing, what are we comparing with, is that clear? we can

complain about something in kyiv, but we understand that life in kharkiv is many times more difficult, and that is why people in surveys say that everything is fine, with our refugees abroad have a similar situation, people understand that compared to most of your relatives and friends in ukraine, the situation is not bad for them. another such irritating topic, which in my opinion, according to polls, is the principle of unification of society, is the topic of the russian orthodox church or the ukrainian orthodox church. of the church of the moscow patriarchate, this is something that has dragged on for more than one year, the draft law is in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, it is not submitted for the second reading for a vote, so in this regard, you were also the survey presented this year at the beginning of may, if i am not mistaken, and it concerned what our citizens expect from the authorities, from the verkhovna rada of ukraine in relation to... the moscow

patriarchate, what trends do you see here, or are the majority of ukrainian citizens now they still support the ban or some kind of state intervention? you know, this is a difficult question, because if we are talking about the public opinion of ukrainians, then in fact the majority of ukrainians now associate the uoc with, unfortunately, with russia, with russian aggression and are in favor of it ban we offered three options, by the way, one of them was conditionally not to touch the church, that is, to investigate only individual offenses. the second option is to establish state control, but not to ban it completely, and this is, by the way , an option for those who simply do not like state bans, and the third option is to ban it completely. and the fact that we consistently have about 60% who are in favor of the ban. and another 20%, who are in favor of state supervision, indicate that the population has a stable association of this church with russia, although they assert their formal lack of connection, but this is not convincing for citizens, but there is a more difficult question, as sociologists know a lot that in the process of modernization, much in society

is secularized and the role of religion is decreasing, by the way, trust in the church has generally decreased in ukraine in recent years, no only the uoc, in general, but in particular because of the activities of the uoc and mp, but, for example, in the usa. the high influence of religion still remains, and the us citizens and politicians are very sensitive to the issue of persecution of christians and restrictions on religious freedom, and unfortunately for all of us the issue of the uocp is presented there as an example of persecution of christians, the average ukrainian does not agree with this, they understand that this is not persecution, but there are our allies in the west who are affected by this, who do not understand the situation, so i have the feeling that adherence of this law is most likely related to not annoying some of our allies among the western states. nevertheless, do you think that people's deputies will return to this issue? look, we have already talked about the fact that it is really urgent, that is, there is society's request, we should wait for your opinion again, let it be subjective,

expect that the deputies will vote, at least for the draft law that is now ready for the second reading, or will this issue be completely ignored and this request su'. society will be ignored including. i have a feeling that at the moment it is possible, due to the unstable situation with support for ukraine, in particular with the elections in the same usa, which have an unknown result for us, this law may be postponed precisely for such political reasons. request societies exist, but it is not so sharp, by the way, because people now talk more about the fight against corruption, in addition to the war, if you ask what is more important to eradicate corruption or to close the uocp, then the majority say that corruption causes more damage. therefore, there is actually a demand. but not so updated, and many people can say that we trust the security service of ukraine, it effectively exposes collaborators and traitors, if, let's say, all measures have already been taken so that this church is not its representatives, church, and the representatives of the event in ukraine, we can postpone this question for the future, in

this context, if we are talking about the share of people who belong to some denominations, who are religious either directly or relatively, who have now... from churches or what church now has the most trust, maybe you have some percentage data? you know, one of those areas in statistics is how to present data to emphasize your point of view, and if you are a supporter of the uoc, you can say, give the number of parishes and say that really the majority of parishes now belong to the uoc mp, and formally most people probably go to this church, and from the point of view of the entire map of our country, that is, in relation to the population and, but you are right, when we ask with whom people themselves associate this emotional moment, and in this case , about 70% of ukrainians here consider themselves orthodox christians, and among them the majority, rather 50% or more, associate themselves with the orthodox church of ukraine, and about 5% of ukrainians associate themselves with the uoc and about 15 more who will say that we are just

are orthodox and do not belong to the zho, that is , there is no difference for them, let's say there is a church next to their house, so they go there regardless of the fact that some of them live in a small village and you need a service that has a much larger network and let's say you are a certain church, and you only have the only available option, the uoc, and you have to understand that many local priests of the uoc, they can be completely normal people and completely share the ukrainian position, there is a certain feeling that there is more of a problem in the upper middle management than in local local the priest satisfies the community, he also has pro-ukrainian views, so people can safely continue to visit. and trust, for example, in the ukrainian greek-catholic church, is it the number of people who identify themselves with this church, which is now the percentage equivalent, about 10-15%,

again depending on the methodology of the survey, how we conduct it, the situation is quite stable , has been happening over the years, but also something is actually happening, we have a general decrease in trust, we have, by the way, before the invasion of the church. trusted about 50-60%, this is when we speak about the church as a whole, in december of the 23rd year there were already less than 40% of people, this is also the natural processes of secularization that take place in society, especially among the younger generations. which are less religious, but also the question of the position of the church, let's say the ocu earlier and the kyiv patriarchate were associated as conditionally , i attest, but of the kyiv patriarchate as a pro-ukrainian church, as a question of identity, now this question is not so acute for many people, and the question, what the church has to offer and the emphasis on conservative values ​​i can say that repels many, because it has a certain association with russian scraps and the role of russian orthodoxy, and the question is whether the church and the greek catholics and the ocu, will they be able to be in spirit? or a modern ukrainian. how many atheists are there in ukraine

, according to the latest data, at least during the full-scale invasion. we have about 10-15%, but together with those who call themselves not atheists, but there are not believers of a failed church, it will be about 15-20% of people to go out, and it is a little more among young people, so by the way, this is an open question for all churches in ukraine. what can they offer spiritually to ukrainians, i can say that now ukrainians want a certain unity with the state, this is a certain open patriotic position, and this is definitely euro-atlantic european integration, so in fact the issues that are discussed are lgbt, gender issues and so on , if there is categorical opposition from the churches, it will, on the contrary, push away rather than cement the conservative electorate, and so on once we return to internally displaced persons, but already inside. of our country, this is also very important, because several million of our citizens, they were literally scattered in

different regions of our country, if you interview them, how objectively can these data be considered, because people, we will understand, come, maybe some says a little bit wrong as it really is, do you reject such an argument, and in fact it can be said that including internally displaced persons all... countries and persons who left for borders of our country, give objective answers, we say, we can talk, at least about objective sociology, we are currently conducting surveys mainly by the method of telephone interviews, and considering that almost 100% of ukrainians have telephones, internally displaced persons also intensively participate, we have in each sample, it is about 12-15%, this is the internal movement of a person, and it actually corresponds to the statistics available in the country, they participate in the survey, they want... their opinion was heard and, by the way , in many matters, especially those who left the occupation, they demonstrate absolutely pro-ukrainian positions

and readiness to support ukraine as much as possible. it is important that there is a certain dividing line that is advancing, that is between the host communities and the displaced people in ukraine, but we conducted a survey, and the absolute majority of the internally displaced persons themselves, and the absolute majority of the host communities, claim that the relationship is quite productive, and in fact, this is in the conditions of a tragic situation, the benefit for the country is that millions of ukrainians from the south and east... moved and talked with ukrainians in the center in the west, and it turned out that we are all the same ukrainians, again, these are not some mythical residents of donetsk there or the south of ukraine, for the residents of donetsk, these are not some mythical banders, all in the west , it turns out that we are all ukrainians, we are all people, we support each other, and this is once again the creation of greater unity of the ukrainian nation, i would like to talk with you about an important aspect: the ukrainian language, its establishment after... we saw a full-scale invasion a surge in ukrainian music and actually returning to their own, that is

, to the ukrainian language of many of our citizens, as far as these two years, what are the trends, are you not currently observing a certain decline, at least some say so, we see on the same facebook, we see , as people are actively discussing it in their bubble bubbles, this transition to the ukrainian language is ongoing, how many people are now, relatively speaking... ready to switch, have they already switched, or have they conducted any, at least such surveys? for pre-invasion understanding about 50% respondents answered that they mostly communicate in ukrainian at home, among the rest about half, i.e. a quarter of ukrainians mainly in russian, and a quarter in ukrainian and russian equally . now you who mainly communicate in ukrainian are about 60%, but you have to understand that part of the russian-speaking territory is occupied, so this indicator has increased, but not so much, at the same time , 80.90% of ukrainians answer that they use the ukrainian language more often in their lives , among russian-speaking citizens

more than 60%, speaking more often, use the ukrainian language, one must understand that the situation is really changing, but it will take a generation, many people, they will not be able to , let's say, suddenly switch from the russian language to the ukrainian language due to the influence of middle and older age, because this is a question content, it’s a matter of the environment, it’s a matter of a certain convenience, anyone who has switched from one language to another understands these difficulties, but for a generation since... the attitude towards the ukrainian language has changed, ukrainian is the only official state language - it is our state symbol, the attitude towards raising their children has changed, and this issue is that now those who are russian-speaking, more often raise their children in the ukrainian language and... in a generation or two, the situation will change, but there is a certain risk that many of those who want change right here and now, or reduce the russian language to there, speak russian and support the enemy, this contributes to additional division and aggression within society, which should, of course, be avoided, because it is a gradual process, it is going and let's support people and not to create an unnecessary artificial fault line, well, in my

opinion, the state should also support this, and our state very often does not complete its work in this direction. therefore , we will still expect some further action from the state. i will give an example, as i pointed out 15 years ago, that when a certain western tv series is released, a russian translation appears literally every day, there are several versions, now we finally see that immediately there are also ukrainian-language quality translations from which you can choose, there is content for young people, but again, we have a nuance in that we specifically publish the results, often in terms of language, to show that russian-speaking ukrainians are also in favor of ukrainian as the only state language in the european union. atlantic integration, they hate russia, are at war and so on, that is why there is such an unhealthy narrative that tries to create a narrow image of a correct ukrainian right here and now and tries to provoke a certain hatred, the right must be supported, and the state also plays a big role here, as well as understanding such people who are famous, who should, by the way , show by example that we are switching to the ukrainian language, so here i completely

agree with you, regarding those people who are popular, they should do it and should demonstrate that we should support everything is ukrainian, that is, it applies to music, culture, language and everything. one more question, it concerns the armed forces of ukraine, a question that is quite sensitive, is the question of mobilization, the question of the relationship to the same recruitment centers, tsc, yes, but with regard to mobilization, to the extent that ukrainians currently support mobilization, it is tougher. or less strict, and perhaps you have already conducted some surveys regarding the new law, so about mobilization and actual actions in the context of this law, for example, the same assembly centers, are there such data as to the extent to which ukrainians are aware of the importance or unimportance of such legislation in particular, you you know, the issue of mobilization

is probably one of the most successful hostile information operations against ukraine, yes, because we have 60-70% on the one hand. ukrainians agree that mobilization should be carried out, of course, ukrainians would like it to be exclusively voluntary, but ukrainians understand that it will not be voluntary, because we need people to repel the enemy. if we ask the question whether people are ready to take up arms, by the way, we have a huge percentage who are still ready to take up arms, and considering the millions of people who remain in ukraine, there are actually enough human resources in ukraine. often this question was artificially diverted from the question of weapons, a lot ukrainians answered that it was inappropriate. supplies from western partners, this somewhat demotivates them to supply weapons, but then we strongly resist tiktok and other videos that we see, because really an unfairly negative image has been formed about the central committee, and this is an interesting moment, because it actually applies to all state bodies of ukraine , when people have direct contact, it turns out that the absolute majority have a normal, calm experience, but on the internet you

only see emotionally saturated non-representative cases, they really exist, you have to deal with them understand and work, but they are not... representative of the whole experience of contacts with the tck and those who are engaged in mobilization, because most people have had a completely calm normal experience, but this is something that can really undermine to some extent, although anyway we are today yesterday published the results that 60% of ukrainians see the war as existential, and accordingly there is an understanding here that we cannot evade mobilization from this process, because as a result we will simply be destroyed. the end of the war, territorial concessions, various types of computers. mister, you conducted such surveys last year, in 2023, as far as i understand, you have already conducted some surveys this year, and we said before the broadcast that you are also investigating some things now, what we have now, what is the situation in this direction, part of the ukrainians says that it is necessary to fight to the borders

of 1991, part of us, we see, expresses the opinion that it is necessary to stop the war there in some way, what is the current sociological situation in this direction? the majority of ukrainians maintain flexibility and open to certain or negotiations or understanding that there may be certain complex arrangements. of course, the majority of us would support a return to the 901 year borders, and publicly we cannot refuse this, because you know, it's like in diplomacy, if you deviate from this, you will be speared by the whole world afterwards, but still since ukrainians are flexible, we really have a growing share of those who are ready... certain territorial concessions, but when we discuss this issue, the key point is not even so much territorial concessions, no matter how difficult they may be, the issue of further security of the country, because, for example, ukrainians are grateful for the security forces. who are currently signing, are grateful to our western allies, but, for example, they do not feel that there is a sufficient security guarantee for the future, there is membership in nato, or military bases on the territory of ukraine, this

could be a certain package that the ukrainians would be ready to discuss, but if b is just such a humanistic approach that let's stop shooting, freeze so that we don't die, ukrainians understand that this is only will lead to a repeated attack in the future, that is, formally, we really have a little more of those who are ready to make concessions there, but in fact most continue... that these cannot be unilateral concessions without ukraine receiving certain security guarantees. issues of nato and the european union. well, the european union, we've seen polls, there 's a stable number there, and it's even been increasing over the last years or months. regarding nato, is it possible to say that some people are still ready to give in to this issue, what are the current figures for the eu and nato? now about 80% support joining nato, depending on the wording of the question, about 90% support the european union, and this number has been fairly stable over the past few years. at the same time, ukrainians become more critical of these

institutions, but do not give up this goal, realizing that only nato and the eu are our future, safe for us, our children, and where we should go. but at the same time, in terms of willingness to give in, in our country, even in the case of nato, only about 20% are ready to give up membership in nato, in exchange for ending the war. in the case of the european union. the indicator is even lower, but again, even the rejection of nato membership will require receiving at least certain other guarantees that ordinary ukrainians will trust. unfortunately, there are two such unpleasant experiences, the first is the budapest memorandum, and ukrainians remember it and now remember it, although we had a survey in the 90s, which showed that ukrainians generally had a normal attitude to the nuclear disarmament of ukraine at that time moment, and the second moment is the minsk agreements. ukrainians remember that de facto ukraine gave up part of the territories, postponed their liberation in exchange for the future. ending the war, we got an invasion and even more casualties and destruction. and the last thing i wanted to ask you is whether we have any regional division in the context of the eu, nato,

some ideological things and concessions that we talked about. it used to be, you and i remember, before the revolution of dignity and even after the revolution of dignity, now this ice, as they say, has broken, but still there is a specificity, or here... absolutely, as they say, so even a straight line, and everything is fine with us, there is no straight line and in fact there never will be, because our country is very interesting and heterogeneous, even this is a question of industry, agriculture, what people do, but really pessimists can still talk, that in the east there may be a little more pro-russian citizens or not so euro-atlantic supporters, but in fact the majority of the population in all regions supports euro-atlantic integration, and joining the eu, and again... such people hate russia, that is , now we, as sociologists would say, what now unity between regions, it is distinct and has been preserved all these years. mr. anton, we are very grateful to you for this conversation, for the relevant

answers, i think that it is extremely important for our country, for our viewers, to get these answers. anton hrushetsky, executive director of the kyiv international institute of sociology, was on the air of the espresso tv channel. well... we can only say one thing, that ukraine should continue to unite around a common goal, which is victory over the russian enemy. thank you for watching this exclusive interview on espresso tv channels. goodbye and see you again. attention, total sale, kors garden trimmers under unpack tv with a discount of only 799 uah, only 799 for a reliable

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