pay american troops to fight in ukraine, but we will provide all the necessary weapons and ammunition, and we will also provide intelligence and continue to train the brave ukrainian military at bases in europe and the united states. we will invest in ukraine's defense and industrial base, as well as support economic recovery. in addition, biden said that the white house is preparing for the congress of the united states. america's victory plan, in accordance with the previously adopted law on aid to ukraine for 60 billion dollars. mr. volodymyr, do these mean statements and this agreement that the united states of america makes it clear to putin that russia's victory over ukraine will never happen, because the americans, the british, the canadians have enough tools, apart from military, economic tools, which...

in principle, they can strangle russia and prevent it from continuing to wage war in ukraine? the question is not only to strangle russia, but also to turn ukraine into such an economic tiger, because let's see, step by step, and the just-approved bezek agreement gives a chance to take the next steps and transform ukraine. let me remind you that similar agreements exist in israel and the philippines. in japan, in south korea, the fact that a security agreement was signed with japan and the united states on the same day makes it seem so symbolic, but president biden likes symbolic gestures, let's remember how he signed the agreement, or rather the law on lindlize , on may 9 22nd year, so this is a very symbolic gesture and signing. on the same day as

japan, this is a subtle hint that ukraine will be transferred to such a central european status as a central european economic tiger, and their country will be made self-sufficient in terms of its security, especially since ukraine itself develops a large number of modern technologies that are of interest to the world, let me remind you that the delta battlefield management system, which was developed in ukraine. it has greatly interested many nato countries and, in general , the nato military committee, that is, we have a lot of our original developments, which give us a chance not to feel like a poor relative in the circle of developed countries. well, even yesterday, zelenskyi said that he is ready to consider an alternative chinese peace formula, and also assured that chinese leader xi jinping gave him his word not to give weapons. russia, let's listen to what

zelensky said. i had, had a telephone conversation with the leader of china on the phone. he said that he will not sell any weapons to russia. this, this is the first. we will see, you and i will see, but he told me that. if he is a respectable person, he will not do this, because he gave me his word. they can prepare an alternative peace formula. if we share a common, common view of it, like globally with the whole world, it seems to me, so if they share that way to peace, then we will find dialogue, an opportunity for dialogue. mr. volodymyr, very briefly, do you mean that kyiv is ready to hold a dialogue with beijing? well, there is a dialogue with beijing, but not too intensively, this is the first, after all, we know examples when... china together with

belarus produced a joint missile complex polonaise, and these polonaises are not in russia’s service, by the way, that is, they is in the arsenal of azerbaijan, which is taking palodimyre, we have to finish our program, forgive us, the time of our program is coming to an end, it was volodymyr tsibulko, friends, let me remind you that we are conducting a survey throughout the broadcast and asking you whether a victory for ukraine is possible without the capitulation of putin, let's look at the interim results. poll on the screen, please, 42% yes, 58%, glory to ukraine, dear tv viewers, on the tv channel, studio zahid program, we will analyze the most important events of this.

week, including how international politics may or may not affect russian aggression against ukraine. well, of course, we will analyze the so-called alternative summits, which they talk about. in beijing and moscow. our guests today are roman bezsmertnyi and andrii pionkovskyi. and now roman bezsmertny, an iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat, will work in the espresso tv channel. glory to ukraine, mr. roman, i congratulate you. glory to the heroes, i congratulate you. mr. roman, swiss summit. history is extremely important, we understand that not all issues that should be discussed there publicly and get to the committee will be there. but on the other hand, we understand that there will still be a part that is not public. we understand that our friends and the allies will shape their agenda, which, unfortunately, is not accepted by china, and china wants to create or wait for a situation when there is a need to create a so-called other summit with

the participation, in particular, of russia, this is the official position of beijing, and accordingly would like to ask you, well, the threats here are obvious, what are the possible solutions, how should we do it right, well, because... the swiss summit is mainly our allies or states neutral to us, but there are also russia and china, which will try push your agenda. mr. antin, if you look at this week that we have just passed, starting, let's say, with the press conference of viola amhert, the president of switzerland and what she said after the summit, well, the reaction that was from beijing, from moscow, the reaction , which sounded. at the meeting of foreign ministers of the brics countries to prepare for the summit, what is being drawn? first of all, we must thank the swiss, they carry out their mandate very maturely and intelligently, that is, they keep in touch with everyone, do not

interrupt anyone and do not close the door. it is necessary here to give credit, and it is obvious that this is a school, this is a decade of the position it occupies. switzerland and they know how to do it, and i would not scold them very much for what the minister of foreign affairs, ignacios, said about what is happening there today and what will happen tomorrow with russia, we will see. i would not quarrel here, because this is switzerland, and it is the swiss, they should be thanked for what they do. now, what about this side? i am convinced that the way the meeting of foreign ministers in brics was presented was almost a preparation. an alternative summit, a global peace summit, and this role should be played by the brics summit in august-september, the date of which has not yet been determined. let me remind you that we draw and proceed from the fact that there

are at least five of them, and as of today there are already 10 of them, because the united arab emirates, and saudi arabia, and egypt, and ethiopia also joined there. , and here at this meeting. that took place in moscow, they all talked about it, and there i draw so much attention to the statements of the eyes, which sound calmly, because the shos summit is also added to this, and when in pakistan say, they are currently looking at doing it at the brics summit or doing it at the shoos summit, but what if they have dynamite, because in one case it is india, and here it may happen that this summit will simply be about. .. in principle, as soon as they start to drag the issue of an alternative conference into it, and there is the disagreement of the central asian republics, everything is not going as smoothly as they wanted, to hold the third summit, after russia spent trillions of rubles

on the st. petersburg international conference, and now the brics sports games are held, and there are all the industry exhibitions going on, it is unlikely that they will spend on this, china itself will not do this, so i would accept these conversations about alternative, just as for now information, for which should be monitored, and i will tell you this, if it was possible to further promote this meeting that was held in moscow, the technical meeting on the preparation of the brics summit, because for the first time in history i see such a thing being attached to the technical meeting: such importance with the introductory speech minister lavrov, where is it? it was told about global ideas and so on, so for now it is necessary to treat it like this, whether it will happen or not, but the fact that this is the appearance

of, say, the summit in switzerland and the alternative controversy, this is evidence, you know, how the axis of rome was formed there , berlin. tokyo in its time, and the alternatives to that are, let's say , allies, there are three allies, italy or four, that is, allies. and the positioning, which it shows, that there is a split, this split positions and groups forces, on the one hand a vise of evil is formed, with on the other hand, the power of good, and this only proves that the situation in the world, both at the continental and global level, is worsening, and in principle, this is the road, as we understand it, to... the expansion of the conflict, and if we answer the question, what this, then this is not

an alternative summit, no, this is a kind of chain, which continues to keep a certain group of countries in their environment, because from the point of view of the system of relations that is currently being formed between russia, china, iran, these are all others, like of this... to the north korean junk ship there to south korea and so on, and it is unlikely that such a forum can be held between them, because these are clearly not equal, disproportionate values, to arrange this for billions, as was the case in st. petersburg, when the president of zimbabwe was imprisoned together with the führer of moscow and... the president of bolivia, and that was the highest achievement, i don't touch it now. no,

well, zimbabwe is one story, and the people's republic of china is another story, yes, and they justify their non-appearance to switzerland by the fact that they see the creation of such platform where the victim country and the aggressor country would be represented. this worries me, because this is beijing's official position, and we understand that some countries will try to listen or play tricks. similar stories, we understand that this is not only a question of pressure, but also a question of, so to speak, so -called countermeasures on the part of china, which can strengthen, for example, economic and not only economic support of moscow, it may not do this, but on negotiation, so-called or diplomatic process, it will undoubtedly affect, do you think this can be reflected in specific decisions for ukraine, in particular, when we talk about possible pressure, or about the possible supply of some... additional weapons, well, as an alternative, the aviation itself. mr. andin, the fact is that china

has a very narrow maneuver, and it does not come from relations with moscow or relations with ukraine, this maneuver is narrow because of the relations between washington and beijing, and even these sanctions, which are now the ministry of finance of the united states of america. announced, and they are very long, with long hands, and actually, mind you, for two months, you and i talked about this topic for two months, as janet allin warned, she was in beijing, secretary of state blinkin was in beijing, they explained that don't do this, don't finance the enterprise, don't supply duplicate technologies, no, as already said there, if this is not stopped, there will be sanctions. who do these sanctions hit?

china, saudi arabia, the united arab emirates, all five states of central, central asia, these are tajikistan, kyrgyzstan, uzbekistan, turkmenistan, and so on, through which even american, british, and french equipment went to russia, in principle, this can seriously undermine the finances as well. the foreign exchange sector of russia, i am not saying the it sector, because it will actually lose the possibility of receiving the volumes that china provided, because it is not so much connected with the possibility of china, but to supply to russia, as with china itself, because if the united states of america would block lending, but would stop enterprises there, i am not talking about the supply of technology there, because the first question is when during of the visit of helen and blinken was that china uses advanced american technologies in order

to then supply them in the form of microcircuits to russia, the question was already raised there, therefore, the current steps are delayed until the second and third decades of september for that in china these smart and not so smart people would sit there and think. what to do next, because china is already at a stage of stagnation with the growth of the gross national product, and therefore the situation there is not difficult, so there is no such maneuver in... which we can talk about, but as an answer, i would like to emphasize this, as an answer, why not go to switzerland, as an answer, it could interfere at such a level, but i wonder if there can be an own initiative here preparation on our own, we are fighting now, but 160 invitations

were invited, the president of switzerland said that there would be 90. and if you look in that direction, how many invitations will there be, well, 50, how many will come, well, 5-6, well, 10 from the strength of those who are spinning there, and then on the level of zimbabwe there, and no more, that is the whole answer, and here it is not so much the position of china that is important, here the position is important, whether the führer of moscow will give the instruction to do this, because you understand, here is the scale, the inflated scale. st. petersburg economic forum, and it was just a movie, all these numbers, stories about foreign guests, concluded investment agreements, these are lies that got out into the world, and money was spent there, even in the column spent funds, even the report, there is no figure in the report, because it is clear that huge

resources were used here, especially for inflating the information cushion, so i do not see the possibility of this level. make an event, like switzerland is doing for ukraine. i agree, roman petrovich, but why does the führer constantly repeat his mantra about their readiness for peace, and repeats about the istanbul agreements, which were not just ratified, they were not signed at all, if there were any negotiations, then in words so we understand that the russian position was unacceptable for a collective event, but the führer constantly. turns, turns and walks in a circle and voices, voices, to whom is he addressing all this? you understand, for mr antina, for russia, for moscow, especially for this racist führer, for him negotiations are an instrument of war, it is not an instrument of appeasement, it is an instrument of war, and

therefore the achievement of any pause, and god forbid there is somewhere in some way a retreat from sanctions , it will be... unequivocally his victory, that is why he is spinning this roach, any dialogue in the current situation is real, not conversations about him, because these are conversations, these are conversations for the unconscious and ignorant, those who can bite, it is like bait for fish, well, fish are brainless, but people, they are at least some, well, not everyone, however, has brains that are capable of reading it, so in general these are not conversations, not about negotiations, no... about making a decision, these are conversations as a tool of war, and he will conduct them, always fooling his own and other people's heads, and here, and here the situation is still the same, here it is not clear who is being fooled more, our own or others, we already perfectly understand that there will be absolutely nothing to be gained from this, well, for now there are still those in europe who believe in this, that it is possible to go through with it, such is the truth, it is what is, but there are already those who have realized

that's great, it's the first and second, let's imagine for today all these... 15 packages of sanctions, sanctions of the united states of america, and it will take more than a century to rake it out, you just understand, there is no turning back in this process, absolutely it doesn't matter, you are pro-sanctions or pro-military, i am pro-military, there is no turning back, but i am trying in this coordinate system, well, after all, i lived my life working, and do you remember, one by one, there was an amendment that was in ukraine, like this. .. they rushed with her and did not know from which side to approach her, but now this complex, these armed forces, this system, which is already set up, well, it will not go back, because mr. antin, billions of turnover of business, finance, resources are involved here today, moreover, the russian economy is built today on the basis of the military industry, so remove

these now inflated artificial numbers of the so-called growth from the military industry. that's all, there is no such economy, there is none, and it is now based on what, on the military-industrial complex, there is no way back in russia from here, well, if we understand it, we understand it, then look, we meet in st. petersburg, well it is movies, they meet in berlin, they talk about where to get patriots, where to get arish t, where to get ammunition and so on, and somewhere... there somewhere there in a corner, and what will we do when peace comes, somewhere in a corner , you understand when 98% of the conversation is at the conference. on the issue of reconstruction is devoted to weapons, that is , objectively, people understand that this is the number one issue on the agenda, then the topic

of reconstruction is a topic of hope, what kind of hope does the conference give to people in europe and ukraine and so on, but there is the situation is still on the line front, there is also a situation with an attack, a barbaric, aggressive attack by the russians on kharkiv, i.e. they are demonstrating their... readiness for its western response, i.e. permission to strike at russian interventionists who are preparing to attack on russian territory, i.e. we understand that this is a very powerful a military signal from the west, and the issue of aviation, the minister of defense of the kingdom of the netherlands has promised us that the f-16 aircraft will be already this summer, and there is also a french signal about mirages, so this summer we can really get military aviation. component, i am convinced that time is currently the only barrier in this regard, including, and i have already told you

more than once, the entry of the countries we are talking about, our partners, into this war, it is a matter of time , and it is connected with the fact that the democracy of the civilized world has its own decision-making and implementation mechanisms , including these. such and i am not saying the service system there, but pay attention, behind the current conversation about planes, there is a deep conversation about tanks, yes, about abrams, and so on, as it is now yes, we gave the ukrainians armored vehicles, but we didn't give them service, we didn't give them a service system, and that's why there is such a technological discussion on both sides, hence, from my point of view, everything you and i are talking about , it in no way, well, in a tiny dose, does not lead to the fact that the issue of negotiations may arise,

and in the current situation, in the current situation, the economy of russia, which is launched military-industrially, it shows them, as it were, that this... their salvation is actually the death of russia, the world today before that looks closely and looks at the moscow führer like a clown. that is, what happened? he thought that during the economic upswing and the connections he had with the world, he would not be able to oppose himself to the whole world and skip this period, now everything is the opposite, now the world is more and more grouped around ukraine. the involvement of forces in this war is increasing, technology is increasing, so, well, where is the backtrack here, so i am trying, well, even

to switch, conditionally speaking, to the side of those who say that it is possible, and what the führer would propose, well, if hypothetically we let's take into account that he can give one or another trade offers, it's clear that not to us, and it's clear that not publicly, maybe through intermediaries, we don't want to talk about switzerland, but... at one time switzerland, austria were used by the soviet union, so to speak, and not only by the soviet union, but also by the reich, as certain countries where certain conversations can be held, well, accordingly, what the führer can suggest that such a narcissistic person, they have a peculiarity, they are not able to to objectively evaluate the realities, they live in a virtual world, therefore, in order to to propose some real mechanisms... including real ones written about by literate people, there was the foreign office, and the new york times, the washington post, there were a number of such recipes, how it can be done, no, it is

impossible for him in application, because he cannot objectively assess the situation, that is, those who watched there fragments of st. petersburg, he understands that this person lives in another world, this is his world, which is not present today in... in that number of his compatriots, and therefore it does not matter to him how many thousands and hundreds will die there, how many will be crippled and so on, this is his world, but now let's imagine that he flies like the lord in this totalitarian world, here and there some scholz, macron, biden walk the earth and even allow a discussion among themselves, you imagine this... a shovel, how he looks at it, that is, it is obvious to me that the topic of russia and the topic of resolving

the situation, it is only in one in... a burning russia in its capitulation, complete capitulation, another option that someone there will come to his senses and say that what should we do, but what are you doing, it's in it is impossible in principle, hence, if you want to evaluate a person, whether he has a healthy head or not, then as soon as he said that you can sit down at the table with russia and talk about something, be afraid of such people, it means that they simply cannot. . objectively assess the situation, well, this moscow psychopath, and especially his clique, they are already gnawing around him like sows, and they, you see, already have this instinct to bite everything around them that has developed so much for not just to bite, but to serve this führer. as much as i i understand, the scenario before us is difficult, the question of our resourcefulness, that is, the west will

help us with money. technologies, weapons and possibly instructors, that is, from this point of view, we have some fairly powerful support, there is also a story with personnel, in the west, there will be no way out, than entering this war, not because the west will want to help ukraine or not , the fact is that the current process will lead to this psychopathic person striking nato countries. these statements that he made recently, that you are not in good memory, that you imagine a war between russia and nato, remember the conversations of 2010, remember the conversations later in 2018 and so on, this is a psychopathic person for whom such statements are not a position, it is an announcement.

of his actions, and that is the only way it should be perceived, i do not want to list the facts of violations of territorial, airspace, maritime space there, which are currently taking place in the baltic sea and so on, which russia is currently creating on the border there with finland, i no longer i am talking about what is happening on the belarusian-polish border, because everyone they think that there are some migrants over there, well, the migrants there seem to have killed a polish man. soldier, those who think so are in vain, they are in vain they think so, these are absolutely alloys of planned provocations, the essence of which was much greater, and we still do not know with you what happened when the poles threw all their attention on this point, what happened to others places of this border and so on, what happened in other parts, the current process, what investigation is going on in the czech republic, belgium, poland, france,

germany. on russian residency, he showed such pitfalls in the security system european, he showed such a strong integration of european political forces into the fsb system, if this is brought to its logical conclusion, it will reveal not only serious failures in the system of european countries, including the nato system. therefore, i don't see how much more this information will come out, because the issue in the confrontation between nato and russia is now not only because nato does not understand something, nato understands everything perfectly, nato sees where the führer of moscow is moving, nato perfectly understands , how much agents today in the national security systems of states, countries, nato, it is already coming out completely, and you understand that... with

such dynamics, to say that it can be solved sitting at the negotiating table, well , it is necessary, it is simply necessary to be an inadequate person in such a situation. ok, mr. roman, we are talking about the situation in our country, yes, because the western allies are ready to supply us with everything, except personnel, we understand that certain processes are ongoing in us, the implementation of the draft law, which began on may 18, we see certain informational and psychological operations. sociology shows a certain weariness of society and so on, on the other hand, i don’t know what the enemy’s situation is in reality, but putin also did not take public additional mobilization steps, maybe he will do it this fall, maybe he won’t, but it will continue to simply use the purchase of recruits in certain states, well , additional personnel will be recruited, for money, but how can we be in that situation, judging

by... what the führer says.