the fact that the european ambassadors agreed that ukraine, despite the objections of hungary, begins negotiations on real negotiations, this is no longer, not talks about negotiations, but negotiations on joining the european union, this is an entry, the fact that the americans finally gave 60 billion dollars, that's sou, and that we get modern weapons. it's su, sorry, so if you add all this to a pile, then it's su. if we are talking about the global peace summit, it started today, at least its first stage, 56 heads of state are actually present, the first statements are available.

the first negotiations, uh, if we evaluate it, how are these first steps, your assessment, are they positive for ukraine or less positive, and in this case, what do you expect from the following days, from tomorrow and from the final result of this summit? well, you know, my expectations are not inflated, i see here... the main meaning is that 100 countries and organizations, which is still the majority of the modern world, responded clearly and clearly to ukrainian proposals, and this is a great positive, it means that ukraine managed to unite the majority around its ideas of the civilized world, that is, in political terms, it is an obvious success. and i would

not in any way belittle what ukrainian diplomats and ukrainian diplomacy as a whole did at all levels, it is something that is simply not done like that, i will tell you as a professional diplomat, it is a colossal job, it is a colossal effort, but today is a wonderful the political result, that is, if you go from the reverse, from what we just talked about, in relation to russia, it's a diplomatic disaster for... for moscow, because all that it wanted to do in order to disrupt, actually turned against her, because the thesis that the rich will gather and speak against the poor, it absolutely does not work here, because there are representatives from all, everywhere, as they say, from latin america, and from africa, from asia, from oceania, from australia, from the north... that is

, the whole world is represented, yes, some came, some did not, but believe me, i don't remember such a gathering in recent years, and maybe even and the decade that such meetings should take place, concerning the continuance of these things, and how will it end, will it end with a declaration, will it end with the fact that, well, the countries that... will want to join immediately, will do it at the conference, those that will think, will do it later, but in this part, i think that we have to wait for something extraordinary is not worth it, well, because look, the general assembly last year and the year before last passed resolutions that were supported by over 140 countries, all the absolutely right things are written there, i think that ... in

this statement, well, a lot of them will just repeated, and what, from this russian the federation stopped the war against ukraine, absolutely not, so i would not hope that the russian position will change from the text of this conference, absolutely not, i will tell you, moreover, the russian delegation will not come to the next summit, well, because. .. that one must again be very naive to imagine that here we will now write down what needs to be done, and then a conditional lavrov or someone else will come there, take it from our hands, take a visor and say: i went to do it, well, it's just not understanding the essence of what the russian mentality is, what this is the russian practice and so on and so on, so let's not rush ahead, let this summit pass, let it show that...

the world and the world that wants to live according to the normal rules of international law, its majority, let's continue to see in terms of what will be worked out, but... but i repeat once again, to think that this will be a prologue to comprehensive peace, well, for some reason, i have great doubts about this subject. well, by the way, before this summit it was already said that russia would try with the help of china to conduct something alternative, to gather someone, and it was a meeting of foreign ministers of the brics countries, but it turned out that there is no unity in this organization regarding such an issue, which could foresee... some joint document, some joint serious position, and even lavrov after this summit began to say that russia does not have an alliance with the chinas of north korea, yes, mr. vitaly, you understand, here it is like if you take a russian classic, the non-commissioned officer's widow carved herself, well, what was

the main thesis of russia, you see, this is not quite a russian classic, it's a gogel, maybe he just mocked them like that? well, well, maybe so, let's, let's be like this, what am i leading to work in russia, and the russians will think that they are great, and they have united under their tent, that is, half the world, half the south, half and half the east and so on and so forth, but to no avail, one more topic that i would like to talk about with you is actually the g7 summit, it took place literally the day before, ukraine also participated in it, in fact a security agreement was signed there agreement between ukraine and the united states the states of america, by the way, also mentioned that the g7 countries

agree to use russian funds frozen for ukraine for our advancement, so to speak, in the fight against. aggressor within the framework of the war, if we are talking about this summit, how successful was it and how can it also be equated with such great successes of our diplomacy? yes, this is a joint success, i think, mr. andriy, a joint success of us and the seven countries, because you see, turning the situation around in this way to... help ukraine with russian money, well, this is really, this is a cool, cool, high-class game, i would say, and here we can only thank those who

decided to punish russia in this way, it is true that it is only the first step , let's be honest again, it's not what we expected, but maybe our expectations in this regard...were a bit high, because we wanted everything at once, well, unfortunately, it doesn't happen, but it's very a powerful step forward, it means that the taboo on the topic of using russian money has been lifted for ukraine, uh, and these 50 billion, like loans to ukraine, uh, we need them like air today, because it closes our... problems with the budget for this year and maybe even for the next one, and it gives the opportunity to additionally buy weapons, which we need today, well, as we well understand, like the same air, so this is a double success, and therefore i believe that, well, this summit in

this context will go down in history as a consolidation of the western elites, the western world against russia. so i repeat again, this is a court. and tell me, please, mr. volodymyr, how are you? you think, and it will come to the confiscation of the russian assets themselves. someday we will wait for such a turn of events, or not, you don't really believe in it? well, for now, i’ll tell you honestly, i don’t really believe it, although, well, from experience, i’ll tell you honestly, mr. vitaly, that when you methodically and long-term focus on one point, you still, well, achieve some... result , and since this first step has already been taken and psychologically western countries have agreed to the use of actually russian money, then with proper organization of work and proper selection

arguments from our side, first of all, and you know that a whole team of our lawyers is working to convince the western partners to proceed further, it still seems to me... that there is a chance for success, well and the numbers speak for themselves, you see, well, we call the numbers of losses 700 billion dollars tere. 1 trill, the world bank is talking about almost 500 billion there, these are sky-high, sky-high amounts, so one way or another we will have to find where to get them from, and why, say, should our western partners pay for it, and not russia, well, where is the logic here, and i think that for many western partners exactly this approach is very profitable, because they say to their voters: dear friends, we will not... touch your money, we will touch the aggressor's money, and it is fair. i would also like

to ask about sanctions, this is probably one of the most pleasant news this week for ukraine, because the united states of america has imposed sanctions against a number of legal entities and individuals of russia, china, by the way, and a number of other states. mr. volodymyr, when should we expect? consequences? are these consequences already in fact in russia and, by the way, in china? well, you know, it seems to me that the first consequences, or rather, we have already seen the first consequences, and they, they are shown even by russian television channels, are long queues at exchange offices, because a strike on the moscow stock exchange, well, you know it is such a... strike under breath, well, but it was, well, i

think it should have been expected for moscow, especially after it began to threaten the united states of america and western europe that it would put weapons in the hands of terrorists who would strike at their territories, well, they threatened, waved another round of nuclear and non-nuclear sticks there, well, they received a blow under their breath, which without... can certainly be very, very painful for the russian economy, because, well, excuse me, even now, when they are talking about the fact that the dollar it can jump from 80 there to 200 rubles, well , what kind of economy can withstand such and such blows, the truth is that it will all happen. it's still a month from now, the sanctions will come into force exactly,

in my opinion, on the 12th of july, but it is already clear that the panic in russia has gone, er, so, you know, it seems to me that with such pointed, but very painful blows, the west is showing putin that if you continue to play your absolutely... idiotic, excuse me, games, then it will be more expensive for you, and so, if, so you see , if the russian economy begins to sink first, and then collapse, well, then there is nothing to fight for, because the war requires crazy funds, but if we talk about these sanctions from the point of view of the fact that they are introduced against chinese companies as well, this is also is there a certain... scroll? i think, mr. vitaly, what exactly is going on here, the americans,

so far, well, they are still trying to act not as harshly and straightforwardly as in relation to russia, but with these, so far, not too broad sanctions in relation to china, they are simply, well, transparently hinting, dear chinese friends, if you want to have some kind of normal relations with us, well, then let's pay attention to the fact that what you are doing is not worth doing, because the sanctions will affect you too, so far it does not work, i will tell you honestly, my impression is that so far china has firmly stuck to its pro-russian position, and that's it that there is not even a single representative in any capacity. at this conference shows that they are in the same boat, but it is a matter

of time, i think that, including the political consequences of this summit now in switzerland , china should have the same effect, he should understand that he finds himself together with russia in isolation, and this is not what it claims as a country that wants to play any, well , serious, serious roles in world politics. thank you for your expert opinions. volodymyr ogrysko, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs 2007-2009, manager research center. in russia, we have tatiana vysotska, a correspondent of the espresso tv channel, currently in direct contact with us . she is now, by the way, in switzerland at the global peace summit. tatyana, good evening, congratulations, greetings from switzerland, greetings. so, tatiana, what is happening now in

bürgenstock, what are your impressions of the general atmosphere of this meeting? now. just these minutes, here i am, and the plenary meeting is being broadcast on the big centers, finally, which has started, it started about an hour ago, speakers are speaking in turn the leaders of the sigder will last a very long time, considering the fact that foreign states are represented at this summit in the number of 100 delegations, of which 92 are states and eight international organizations, that is, it is such a powerful event and very interesting, because... what can we see the opinion of each individual state participating in this summit regarding how this summit should be held, how the peace process should be formed, and also it is interesting what the leaders of one or another state think about the possible participation of russia in this summit, so what, for example, today the ukrainian delegation once again clearly stated that

ukraine is not ready to sit down at the transition table with russia, and that yesterday, for example, there were news that russia could participate in the next summit in some form, today to ukrainian journalists, to things of journalists, of whom there are a lot here, there are more than 40 of us here, and ihor zhovkva, the deputy minister of foreign affairs, came to us, and he once again naked, ukraine will not hold direct negotiations with russia now, but nevertheless, if, not if , and when, participating states of this great peace initiative, who are present here... now, who may join later, when they form this very road map of the peace process, based, as ukraine still insists, on the 10 points of the peace formula, zelensky's peace formula, so when this the document will be formed, then it can be brought to the attention of the russian federation, but not in such a way that putin will sit

next to macron vonderlajen and zelensky, and this... is done through some intermediaries, or is this format still being discussed, that is, for now cannot be said that there is some kind of decision that russia will participate in some way in the upcoming summits, as it was announced in some news. were there any already high-profile statements, or were there any actually interesting things that our international partners, leaders of other states, or any speech said? were already in front of the actual community of this summit, something, something so interesting, that actually, what could be talked about now and what could be considered as an accomplished fact at this peace summit? well, first of all, it is worth noting that

it is a legitimate fact that the summit is still successful because, because it represents everyone. points of the world, that is, all continents are represented here on the site, actually all, practically all the most powerful states, as the previous guest of the studio said correctly, there is no china, no russia, they are in a certain isolation, all the others have come, even brazil, which is actually co-author of the alternative alternative peaceful plan, brazil is here on the record in the form. guardian, that is, the summit can really be called successful in this regard, as for the statements, it is also interesting to note, for example, that the organizer of the summit, switzerland, which is a neutral state, constantly emphasizes in all the speeches of the swiss side, the side of the organizers, that the peace process is impossible without the participation of russia, that is, switzerland constantly tries to

somehow there is even a little pressure to involve russia in the negotiations, but for example, before entering the studio now , funderlein, the president of the european commission, listened to the speech of the vice president of the united states kanala haris of the states, listened to the speech of olaf scholt, a federal woman, none of them said that russia should be a full participant in the negotiations, on the contrary, they said that russia , the aggressor, should be punished, that is, it is among the participants of the summit, so to speak. different approaches, yes, different opinions, and for that this site is actually being created, so that people can talk, so that people can exchange ideas, and tomorrow will be very interesting, uh, because, despite the fact that some of the leaders of the states will leave today, there remain representatives of all 100 delegations, and they will participate in parallel working groups, and at those working groups

not only three points that will be included in the final communique will be discussed, this summit is also criticized for this, that only three points and nuclear safety will be included in the final communique. food security and humanitarian issues, the exchange of prisoners and the liberation of ukrainians. civilian prisoners and ukrainian children whom russia took to its territory, but yes, indeed, the final communique will be precisely these three questions, but why, because in relation to these three questions, there is no participant in this event, because of course there should be nuclear safety, of course there should not be a food crisis in the world and of course children should be freed, freed. e-e captives to free civilians who are actually hostages of the russian federation, but in parallel the states will discuss the other seven points, which,

as we know, contain the demand to withdraw russian troops from the state borders of ukraine, punishment, the creation of a tribunal and such other, er, that is, these questions, in spite of what they will not include in the text, they are discussed, and it is also very interesting, by the way, that among these hundred participants of the summit, of course, not all of them will participate in this, but tomorrow it will be known who agreed, the idea is that each the state that participates in the peace initiative will take on one or two issues from the 10 points of the peace plan of ukraine, that is, for example, today macron already said that france will take care of nuclear security, because france is a nuclear state itself, this is their topic and their experiences in reality, and... it will be very interesting tomorrow, when the presidents of switzerland and ukraine will come to the final press conference, whether they will announce which other states have undertaken

to take care of some other points, including those points that we included in the final communiqué, so the actual summit is actually a lot more interesting than it might seem from today's news reports, because today's news reports, actually all day we've been analyzing what hasn't happened yet, because just now... the plenary session has started, and the whole day we passed the news that a bilateral meeting was held, someone arrived, someone said something, but just a real conversation at a round table of hundreds of delegations from all over the world's continents, this is really, it's cool and very interesting, i'm tomorrow i am waiting with great impatience, because the working groups will meet again from the very morning and already in the afternoon there will be news, there will be three press conferences, the joint president of... ukraine and switzerland, separately the president of switzerland, separately the president of ukraine. and this again shows that switzerland, it has its own rhetoric, and they want, if a little separately, perhaps

to talk again about the fact that russia should be seated at the transition table next to ukraine, but tomorrow, that is, it will be, despite the fact that the second day is shorter the level of representation, some leaders will go, but it will be a very, very interesting day, i hope that it will be possible to agree on this question. well, that means that, in principle, many of those who will speak at the summit today are just today at the evening plenary session, and will continue to as is often the case with working groups, that's right, yes, yes, yes, and actually, the communique of the final agreement is based on these three less, so to speak, discussion points. yes , points that support everyone, for all good things, against nuclear war, this community is already practically rolled back, yes, there are already drafts of it, if only

commas and dots will be finalized tomorrow, but nevertheless, tomorrow there will be a lot of work as well planning, what to do next, when to hold the second summit, at what stage to hold it, it is clear that working groups will now meet after this site, so it is very interesting. it is good that this summit did not turn out like a firecracker that broke off, showed some picture and disappeared, that is, there is great hope that this protest will really attract many states, dozens of states, which will continue to work on how to establish peace in ukraine, it is very important, it is actually a historical note, which we even, one might say, did not expect, but could , for example... here is this final communique be radically changed as of tomorrow, and the second the question is, could there be states that,

for example, in the end, won't sign this last option, and that's a very good question, it's really a great question, because you really shouldn't expect that there will be 100 signatures under this chimney delegations, already today even the ukrainian delegation and sidelines, talking to journalists, said that the actual communique is open, which means that, what... some states, if they want to sign, if they want not to sign, but also in the future some other states that are not currently participating in this process, or, for example, they have not signed it now, then they can sign it later, that is, it will be a document without a final dot, the number of signatures will vary over time, and indeed changes, well , may be made, but we will see what happens

tomorrow, because the actual text in... i don't have it right now, let's see, but if we talk in principle about future intentions, do you think it will be clear after this forum, when the next summit will be held, in what format will the heads of state still meet? well, that's how i feel about it there will definitely not be an answer to the question, because not so much yet. uh, all these participants of nova nova talked a lot, this can be called the inaugural summit, as it is called, by the way, the ukrainian delegation, this is the beginning, the first step, this is a new initiative, and therefore it is not known when all the participants will decide that they are ready take the next step, for example, will this road map be fully formulated before the second summit, yes, based on all 10 points, there will already be some kind of ready peace

plan, which... will be submitted to the mountain, or it is possible that there will be some intermediate summit, where today three points will be considered in detail, at the next summit there will be three more, tomorrow they will just decide this and today , by the way, at closed meetings, people, thank you tetyana, tetyana vysotska, correspondent of the express tv channel, just in and yes, i say that we have almost almost a pause. yes, mr. vitaly, you wanted to say something, and she is a female of peace in grenstock, but we continue all these conversations, we will continue the conversation in a few minutes after a short pauses, and vitaly portnikov's thoughts will continue, we will discuss all these topics that were discussed before, including new topics, everything that happened during this week and everything that is important for our country, do not switch, for a few minutes and we will be back, watch at 21. news, summaries

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