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how international politics may or may not affect russian aggression against ukraine, and of course we will analyze the so-called alternative summits that are being talked about in beijing and moscow. our guests today roman bezsmertnyi and andrii pionkovskyi. and now roman bezsmertny, an iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat, will work on the air of the tv channel. glory to ukraine, mr. roman, i salute you, heroes, glory, i salute you. mr. roman, swiss. the summit, history is extremely important, we understand that far from all the issues that should be discussed there publicly and get to the communique will be there, but on the other hand, we understand that there will still be some that are not public and we understand that our friends and allies will form your own order day, which, unfortunately, is not accepted by china, and china wants to create or wait for a situation when there is a need to create a so-called other sa... with

the participation, in particular, of russia, this is the official position of beijing, and accordingly, i would like you to ask, well, the threats here are obvious, what are the possible solutions, how should we do it right, yes, well, because the swiss summit is mainly our allies or states neutral to us, but there are also russia and china, which will try to push their agenda, mr. antin, if you look at this week that we have just passed, or, let's say, from the press conference of viola amhert, the president of switzerland, and what she said after the summit, well, the reaction that came from beijing, from moscow, the reaction that was heard at the meeting of foreign ministers of the brics countries on the preparation of the upcoming summit, first of all, we must thank the swiss, they very maturely and intelligently carry out their mandates. that is, they keep

in touch with everyone, they don’t interrupt anyone and don’t close the door, you have to give credit here, and it’s obvious that this is a school, this is a decade the position that switzerland takes, and they know how to do it, and i would not scold them very much for what the minister of foreign affairs, ignacios, said there about what is happening today and what will happen tomorrow with russia, we will see, i i would n't quarrel here, because this is switzerland and these are swiss. they should be thanked for what they do. now, as far as this is concerned, i am convinced that since the meeting of the brics foreign ministers was presented almost as a preparation for an alternative summit of the global peace summit, and this role should be played august-september, the date has not yet been determined, the brics summit. i will remind you that we draw and leave. from the fact that there

are at least five of them, and there are already 10 of them today, because the united arab emirates, saudi arabia, egypt, and ethiopia have already joined. and at this meeting, which took place in moscow, they all talked about it, and there it is not so much that attention is drawn to the statements of the father, which sound calmly, because the sos summit is also added to this, and when they speak in beijing, they are for today day if they were watching to do it at the brics summit or to do it's at the sco summit, but what if they have dynamite there, because in one case india, and here it may happen that this summit... will simply fail, in principle, as soon as they start to drag the issue of an alternative conference into it, and there is the disagreement of the central asian republics, everything is not as smooth there as they wanted, holding the third summit after russia spent trillions of rubles

on the st. petersburg international conference, and now the brics sports games are being held, and there are all... museum exhibitions are going , unlikely they will spend on it, china itself will not do it, so i would accept these conversations about an alternative, just as information for the time being, which should be followed, and i will tell you this, if it were possible to further promote this meeting, which i was in moscow, at a technical meeting on the preparation of the brics summit, because for the first time in history i have seen such a technical meeting. and such importance was attached to the introductory speech of minister lavrov, where he talked about global ideas and so on, that is why for the time being this should be treated as such, will or will not happen, but the fact that this is the appearance

of, let's say, the summit in switzerland and the alternative controversy, this is evidence of, you know, the formation of individuals there... rome, berlin, tokyo in their time, and alternatives to this, let's say yes, allies, there are three allies, italy or four, here are allies, i.e. positioning, it shows what is going on, if there is a split, this split positions and groups forces, on the one hand it is formed by the forces of evil, on the other side by the forces of good, and ... this only proves that the situation in the world is both continental and global is escalating, and in principle, as we understand, this is the road to the expansion of the conflict, and if we answer the question, what is this, then this

is not an alternative summit, no, it is a kind of chain, which they continue to keep in their own hands. .. rank a certain group of countries, because from the point of view of the system of relations that is currently being formed between russia, china, iran, these are all others, like this one, north korean, which sends garbage there to south korea and so on, and it is hardly possible between them holding such a forum, because it is obvious not equal, not relative values. to arrange this for billions, as it was in st. petersburg, when the president of zimbabwe and the president of bolivia were imprisoned together with the führer of moscow, and this was the highest achievement, i am not touching now, no, well

, zimbabwe is one story, and the people's republic of china - this is another story, and they justify their non-appearance in switzerland by the fact that they see the creation of some... platform on which the victim country and the aggressor country would be represented. this worries me because it is official beijing position. and we understand that some states will try to listen to or play out similar stories. we understand that this is not only a question of pressure, but also a question, so to speak, of so -called countermeasures on the part of china, which can strengthen, for example, economic and not only economic support for moscow. it may not do this, but on... the true so-called or diplomatic process - this will undoubtedly affect, as you think, this can be reflected in specific decisions for ukraine, in particular, when we talk about possible pressure, or about it is possible to supply some additional weapons, well, as an alternative, the aviation itself, mr. antin, the fact is that china has

a very narrow maneuver, and it does not come from relations with moscow or relations with ukraine, this maneuver is narrow. because of the relationship between washington and beijing, and even these sanctions, which are now the treasury department of the united states. americans announced, and they are very long, with long arms, and actually, pay attention, two months, you and i talked about this topic, two months, as janet allin warned, she was in beijing, was in beijing and secretary of state blinkin, they explained that do not do this, do not finance the enterprise, do not supply dual technologies, no, as it was already said there, if this is not stopped, there will be sanctions, who will these sanctions hit? china, saudi arabia,

the united arab emirates, all five states of central, central asia, this is tajikistan, kyrgyzstan, uzbekistan, turkmenistan, and so on, through which even american, british, french equipment went to russia, in principle , it can seriously undermine. and financial, the foreign currency sector of russia, i am not saying the it sector, because it will actually lose the possibility of receiving the volumes that china provided, because it is not so much connected with the possibility of china, but to supply to russia, as with china itself, because if the united states of america a freezes credit and b stops businesses there, i'm not talking about supplying technology there, because the first question... when ellen and blinken visited was that china is using

advanced american technology to then deliver in the form there microcircuits to russia, the question was already raised there, so the current steps were delayed until the third decade of september in order for these smart and not so smart people to sit there in china. and thought about what to do next, because china is already at a stage of stagnation with the growth of the gross national product, and therefore the situation there is not easy, therefore there is no such maneuver in china that we can talk about, but here is an answer to this i would like to emphasize that as an answer, why not go to switzerland, as an answer, this is it could interfere with such a level, but hardly? and there can be our own initiative to prepare on our own, we are fighting now

, 160 invitations have been invited, the president of switzerland said that there would be 90, but if you look in that direction, how many invitations will there be, well 50, how many will come, well, five or six , well, 10 have strengthened those who are spinning there, and that is at the level of zimbabwe there and no more, that's all... the answer, and here it is not so much the position of china that is important, here the position is important, whether the führer of moscow will give instructions to do this, because you understand the scale, the inflated scale of the st. petersburg economic forum, it was just a movie, all these numbers, stories about foreign guests, concluded investment agreements, these are lies that got out into the world, and were spent there even in the county spent funds, even the report in... there is no figure from there, because it is clear that huge

resources have been diverted here, especially for inflating the information cushion, therefore, i do not see the possibility of making an event of this level, like what switzerland is doing for ukraine. i agree, roman petrovych, but why does the führer constantly repeat his mantra about their readiness for peace and repeats about the istanbul agreements, which were not... not that they were ratified, they were not signed at all, there, if there were any negotiations, then in words, so we understand that the russian position was unacceptable for a collective event, but the führer constantly turns, turns and walks in circles, and voices, voices, to whom he addresses all this matter, you understand, for mr. antin, for russia, for moscow, especially for this raschi führer, for him negotiations - it is an instrument of... war, it is not an instrument of appeasement, it is an instrument of war, and therefore

the achievement of any pause, and god forbid there is a retreat from the sanctions somewhere, it will definitely be his victory, that is why he is spinning this roach, any dialogue in the current situation is real, not conversations about it, because these are conversations, these are conversations for the unconscious and ignorant, those who can bite, this is like bait. for fish, well, fish are brainless, but people, at least some of them, well, not all, however, have brains that can read it, so in general this is not a conversation, not a negotiation. not about making a decision, these are conversations as a tool of war, and he will always conduct them, he always fools his own and other people's heads, both here and here the situation is the same, here it is unclear who is fooling his head more, his own or others', we already understand very well, that there will be absolutely no benefit from this, well, for now there are still those in europe who believe in this, but what can be done with it, such are the truth, it is what it is,

but there are already those who have realized perfectly, this first and second, let's imagine for today, here it is... these 15 packages of sanctions, sanctions of the united states of america, yes , it will take more than one century to sort it out, you just understand, there is absolutely no turning back in this process, you are pro-sanctions or pro-military, i am pro-military, there is no turning back, but i am trying in this coordinate system, well after all, i lived my life working, and do you remember, one by one, there was a correctional facility that was in ukraine... that's how you fought it and didn't know from which side to approach it, and now this complex, these weapons strength, this system, which is already configured, well, it will not work back, because mr. antin, billions of turnover of business, finance, resources are involved here today, moreover, the russian economy is built

today on the basis of the military industry, so remove these inflated artificial figures of so-called growth. with uvk, that's all, there is no such economy, there is none, and it now rests on what, on the military-industrial complex, there is no way back in russia from here, well, if we understand it, we understand it, then look, we meet in st. petersburgers, well, this is a movie, meet in berlin, talk about what, where to take the patriots, where to take arish t, where take ammunition and so on. and somewhere there, somewhere in the corner, and what will we do when peace comes, somewhere in the corner, you understand, when 98% of the conversation at the conference on reconstruction is devoted to weapons, that is, it is already objectively people understand that this is an issue number one on the agenda, the theme

of recovery is a theme of hope, like what the conference gives. people and europe, and ukraine and so on, but there is still a situation on the front line, there is still a situation with an attack, a barbaric, aggressive attack by russians on kharkiv, i.e. they demonstrate their readiness and there is a response from the west, that is, permission to strike at russian interventionists who are preparing to attack on russian territory, that is , we understand that this is a very powerful military signal from the west, as well as the issue of aviation, the minister of defense of the kingdom of the netherlands... promised us that the f-16s will be already this summer, and there is also a french mirage signal, which means that we may actually get a military aviation component this summer. i am convinced that time is the only barrier in this today relations, including, and i have already told you

more than once, the entry of the countries we are talking about, our partners, into this war. it is a matter of time, and it is connected with the fact that the democracy of the civilized world, it has its own mechanisms for making decisions and taking action, including these planes, and i am not talking about the service system, but pay attention, according to the current talking about planes, deep down there is a conversation about tanks, about abrams and so on, how is it going now? yes, we gave ukrainians armored vehicles, but we also provided them with services, we provided systems service, and that is why there is such a technological discussion on both sides now, hence from my point of view, everything that you and i are talking about, it does not in such a way, well, in a tiny dose, lead to what may

appear the issue of negotiations, that is. moreover, in the current situation, in the current situation, the economy of russia, which has been launched by military industry, it shows them that this is their salvation, in fact, this is the death of russia, the world today looks closely at this and looks at the moscow führer as a clown, i.e. what happened, he i thought that during the economic upswing and... those connections that he had with the world, he would not be able to oppose himself to the whole world and skip this period, now everything is the opposite, now the world is more and more grouped around ukraine. the potential for the involvement of forces in this war is growing, technology is growing, so, well, where is the backtrack here, here i am trying, well

, even to switch, conditionally speaking, to the side of those who say that it is possible, and what the führer would propose, well, if hypothetically, we will take into account that he can give those or other trade offers, it is clear that not to us, and it is clear that not publicly, perhaps through intermediaries, we do not want to talk about... switzerland, but at one time switzerland, austria were used by the soviet union, so to speak, and not only by the soviet union, but also by the reich, like certain countries where certain conversations can be held, well, accordingly, what the führer can suggest, that such a narcissistic person, they have a peculiarity, they are not able to objectively evaluate realities, they live in a virtual world, therefore, in order to offer some real ones. mechanisms , including real ones written by literate people, there was the foreign office, and the new york times, the washington post, there was a whole series of recipes on how to do it, no, it is

impossible for him to apply it, because he cannot to objectively assess the situation, that is, those who watched there fragments of st. petersburg, he understands that this person lives in another world, this is his world, which does not exist today. in 99%, including his compatriots, and therefore he absolutely does not care how many thousands there are hundreds will die, how many will be maimed and so on, this is his world, but now let's imagine that he flies like god in this totalitarian world, here and there some scholz, macron, biden walk the earth and even allow a discussion among themselves, you imagine where... this psychopath, how he looks at it, that is, it is obvious to me that the topic of russia and the topic of solving the situation, it is only in

one, in the defeat of russia, in its surrender, complete surrender, another the option that someone there will come to his senses and say that what should we do, well, what are you doing, it’s basically impossible, from here, if you want to... don’t judge a person whether he has a healthy head or not, that’s as soon as he said that you can sit down with russia and talk about something, be afraid of such people , this means that they simply cannot objectively give an assessment of the situation, well , this moscow psychopath cannot, and especially his clique, well, they are already there like sows chirping around him, and they, you see, already have this the instinct to bite everything around is so developed. in order not to simply will bite, but to serve this führer. as far as i understand, the scenario before us is difficult, the question of our resources, that is

, the west will help us with money, technologies, weapons and possibly instructors, that is, from this review, we have a certain rather powerful support, there is also a story with personnel. the west has no choice but to enter this war... not because the west wants to help ukraine or not , the fact is that the current process will lead to this psychopathic person striking nato countries. these statements, which he has been doing lately that you are not in good memory, that you imagine a war between russia and nato, remember the conversations of 2010, remember the conversations. later in 2018 and so on. this is a psychopathic person for whom such statements are not a position, it is

an announcement of his actions. and that's the only way it should be perceived. i don't want to list now the facts of violations of territorial, airspace, maritime space, which are currently taking place in the baltic sea and so on, what is causing this? now russia is on the border there with finland, i am not talking about what is happening on the belarusian-polish border, because everyone thinks that there are some migrants over there, well, the migrants there seem to have killed a polish soldier, those who think so are in vain, they are in vain they think that these are completely planned provocations, the essence of which was much greater, and we still do not know what happened when the poles focused all their attention on... this point, what happened in other places of this border and so on, what happened in other parts, the current process, which investigations are underway in the czech republic, belgium, poland,

of france germany by russian residency, he showed such pitfalls in the european security system, he showed such a strong integration of european political forces into the fsb system, if this is brought to a logical conclusion, then it will reveal not just serious failures in the system of european countries, including in the system. nato, that's why i don't see the more this information will come out, because the confrontation between nato and russia is now not only because nato doesn't understand something, nato is fine understands, nato sees where the führer of moscow is moving, nato perfectly understands how many agents today are in the national security systems of states, countries, nato, it is already

coming out in full, and... you understand that with such dynamics to say that it can be solved while sitting at the negotiation table, well , it is necessary, it is simply necessary to be an inadequate person in such a situation. ok, mr. roman, we are talking about the situation in our country, yes, because the western allies are ready to supply us with everything except personnel, we understand that in we are going through certain processes, the implementation of the draft law, which began on may 18, we see certain informational and psychological problems. logical operations sociology demonstrates a certain weariness of society and so on. on the other hand, i do not know what the enemy's situation is in reality, but putin also did not take public additional mobilization steps. maybe he will do it this fall. perhaps he will not go for it, but will continue to use simply the purchase of recruits, as in certain countries, and will also recruit additional personnel. phone for money.

how should we be in that situation? well, judging by what the führer says, and judging by how the number of recruiting companies abroad is increasing, the situation there is unpleasant, but that's the way it is. mr. antin, the situation is not that, now, who has more resources in ukraine or in russia, and it is clear that manpower is more in russia, because there are 100, almost 140 million people, everyone understands this very well, that is not the point, case. in that this polarization that's going on, that i'm paying attention to, that's dividing the world, it's forcing both sides to be more and more close, er, it will lead to the fact that the topic of personnel, it will be resolved due to the fact that this closeness and the need to protect each other, will be so high that the topic

of personnel, it will be resolved, i i will emphasize this once again, it is a question of time, what fills time, the answer to this question was already given by mark milli and zaluzhny a long time ago in that article, a technological leap, everything was described in great detail there, well, you understand, as it was, the person who was allegedly appointed, but not quite, left appointed, everything she said, and there are those four points, the first, they are the most important... what can be compensated for this manpower, which is disproportionate, only with technological growth. an interesting thing is that when i was studying the situation at the st. petersburg conference , i came across an article by the former chairman of the verkhovna rada of crimea, konstantinov, who writes that the current situation in ukraine

is fundamental. is changing his technological approach to operations, and it dramatically increases her chance, i don't know who wrote it to him, or who told him these things, but in fact, both mark milli and zaluzhnyi, in fact, they responded to this problem of inequality of resources, and inequality of a technological leap, so that the ukrainian armed forces would have... more chances, range, respectively, the current maneuvers that are being conducted, this gave permission, did not give, this is a consequence of the lack of a strategy. you and i have talked about this topic 100 times, i want to emphasize once again that if there is no clearly defined goal, these conversations, whether they gave permission or did not give permission, will be conducted from morning to evening, and they are clear to me, they are...