permission to work, including on the territory of the russian federation. you mentioned the gbu39, quite recently there was a photo confirming their use on ukrainian aircraft, which, let's say, are the features of this aerial bomb, and its process, as i understand it, took a little longer, and its adaptation to soviet aircraft than the same jaydamov or not? adaptation is carried out by e-e. almost re-wiring that i in flight because our weapons control systems are not compatible with the ones they will be designed for on western models, but what, let's say, is the uniqueness of these gb39s, they are small diameter bombs, and they are almost impossible to shoot down with anti-aircraft means, plus they can be taken much more, and each bomb has a ... programmed target,

that is, one plane can take out several targets at once, and as i said, due to the fact that their effective surface is too small for russian air defense equipment, they also hit the salt almost 100 percent of the time. according to president zelenskyi, russia releases more than 300 aerial bombs every month, obviously you don't tell me, but maybe with... tell me, to what extent ukraine's use of aerial bombs is commensurate with russia's use, and can we say in this context that russia has a certain tactical advantage in the air? undoubtedly, the russians today have both a technical and a technological advantage in some, well , i don’t mean technological in comparison with the ammunition that is provided to us, the ammunition that is provided to us by our partners, they are technologically much... better executed, they

are more modern, they are more accurate, they have more protection against spoofing, but the russians have a lot more of them, and the russians have been preparing for this war for probably more than a dozen years, and unfortunately, su-35 or mig-31 aircraft, they have a much greater potential than the aircraft that we we now have in service, so we have hope for the modernization of our planes, and yes... for western-made planes, which you already mentioned, which everyone expects, about the use of aerial bombs, we are talking about hundreds, about dozens by ukraine, as if the president of ukraine said , that there is a question about 300, i think that well a minimum of 1:0 must be taken from our side, whether this balance will change in this amount of use of air munitions receipts.

f16, the acquisition of the f16 by ukraine, eh, the f-16 is not a panacea, and we do not wear rose-colored glasses, we understand very well that it will be difficult to win superiority in the air with one aircraft, it will be a complex, and together with the use of means of rap, and radio technical means of detection, perhaps these will be long-range radar detection aircraft, such, let's say, negotiations are also underway and there are... promising plans, this is also a well-known complex patriot, if all this is used in a complex, then the awareness of the pilot in the air about the ground situation and about the air, thanks to link-16, thanks to the exchange of information between ground and air points, i think that we will be able to drive away from the line of bozos first. those planes

that drop the cabs, it's possible, they're coming too close and they're going to be in the hit zone, and if we deal with those planes, i think the next step is going to be this hunt for the cover planes, for the su-35s, if we it will be possible to drive them away at least for 30-50 km away, this can already be considered a turning point and... already some kind of conquest, well, if not superiority, then parity in air space, well, we will return to these issues later, i want to talk now about the shadow storm and scalp, a year ago, when you and i recorded the interview, there were only the first, let's say, unofficial evidence that ukraine is starting to use these cruise missiles, but during this year, how would you rate the effectiveness of these weapons? the effectiveness of the weapon,

the weapon itself, it hasn't changed, but we learned to use some moments better, routes are chosen. are unexpected for the russians, along with stormshe and scalps , fake missiles are used that simulate flights, but they exhaust their air defense system, distract from the real missiles that reach the targets, all this can be seen very revealingly in the luhansk donetsk region on the territory of the occupied crimea and within . black sea, you all see that now the russians have significantly, significantly surrendered their positions there, uh, their effectiveness is very high, uh, they happen so that they are shot down by an air defense vehicle, so the more distracting targets we

give them, the more chances that these missiles will reach the target, that is why we use both unmanned aerial vehicles and harm anti-radiation missiles. tion to force their anti-aircraft weapons to shut down, as well as the malt rockets. well, actually, probably, the attack on the headquarters of the black sea fleet, one of those bright moments that everyone remembers in the context of the use of storm shadow and scalp, but we told a little about how the planning, the actual work of these strikes, how complicated it is in general work, how much, how long it can last, i can't say how difficult it is, because when you spend your whole life... learning in this business, it's just work for you, but i will say that those involved in the planning are very - there are many components, this is the joint work of the gur, the sbu, this is the work of the officers of the general

staff, first of all it is necessary to accurately define the goal, relevant, irrelevant and how critical it is at the moment, that is, it happens that we... planned, but so far the planning process was already underway, the goal is no longer relevant, it is canceled, that is, the process is not difficult, but it requires coordination from many sides, and this is a complex, if there is a shadow or scalp storm, then we understand very well that gur, and haimars artillery are working next to us, and some radio-electronic means are working. which are suppressed in the area of ​​the line so that our missiles can pass, that is, it is a complex, it is not complicated, but it requires a lot of coordination. as for the shadow and scalp storms, how difficult was it to adapt them to

soviet aircraft? here the question, it lies in the field, is not that it was difficult, but that these missiles were developed. were made under the existing platform in the west, and of course there in the pilot’s cabin there were already appropriate monitors for displaying the readiness of these means, and monitors for displaying the targets themselves, if it is in the field of view of the locator, and also the control bodies for these weapons, on our planes we had to do all this, some the planes are more adaptable, for example, the mig-29, it is... adapted to conversion, the su-27 planes are more complex, but this is all done thanks to our engineers and with the help of the partner manufacturers, if we talk about these cruise missiles, they are also programmed on the ground, as far as i

understand, like other western weapons or not, that's exactly why i said that it was difficult and not difficult, if these missiles were used... on western- made aircraft, they could be programmed carry out directly in flight, that is, receiving information about the target, directly online on board the aircraft, we cannot do this now, we do it on the ground, reprogramming in flight is not possible, but the f-16 aircraft will have such a possibility of programming directly in flight , i want more from you to ask about the su-25, we see that russia is actively... using them on the battlefield, we see from the fact that from time to time the armed forces of ukraine shoot down these aircraft, how much in the current conditions of dense air defense on the battlefield, justified by your the opinion is the use and effective use of the su-25, from the ukrainian side and from the russian side,

if you can estimate, as for the use of the su-25 from the ukrainian side, at the very beginning of the war we had enough unguided means. damage specifically for these aircraft, for assault operations, er, we them used literally in the first year, and after that the partners began to provide us with their ... unguided weapons, these are zuni missiles, we also used them in large quantities, at the moment they simply do not exist in the world, and their resumption of production from the point of view of change tactics of conducting hostilities is impractical, because now there has been a transition to high-precision weapons, as well as to the use of an unmanned component. therefore, most likely , it will be possible

to forget about guided weapons for su-25s, but our su-25 aircraft are also being modernized and now they can apply, a bomb is a rocket, let's say it's a bomb that has its own jet engine, and we use them, they're called humer, they're, uh, and very successful, as far as the russians are concerned, they don't have such missiles yet, as far as i know it is known, and they still use... the weapons they have left over from the time of the soviet union, they have changed their tactics, they used to enter at heights when they could be shot down by our air defense systems, now they approach at extremely low altitudes, their almost invisible, but before using the weapon, they still rise to a height of 200-300 m, as far as i know, the extreme cases of damage are somewhere in the extreme... this happened over the course of literally maybe three or four weeks at the expense of portable

anti-aircraft missile complexes stinger and needle, they stinger is very effective, and that is why their destruction is carried out precisely by these complexes, how effectively, well, once upon a time, let's say , a year ago, we had information that non-staff officers were flying on these planes. the fleets of the russian military space forces, and something like those beautiful mercenaries only in the air, so probably the russians don't feel sorry for them, they use them like meat. you mentioned the hummer, it's about french bombs, am i confusing something, er, what you called a rocket bomb, er, well, it's not purely french, it's a... co-production, there's a british fate, maybe more someone, well, well, everyone

says that it's french, there was a commitment publicly voiced about 50, it seems, aerial bombs every month, and the supply, if it was carried out, uh, look, the first two weeks of the war, we did not expect such help from on the western side, then this help went away, someone believed in us, what was said six months ago for... may not be relevant now, because the numbers are now much, well , increasing, because the world is divided into black and white, and those who sit on the white side help ukraine, they understand that ukraine needs more, because it is necessary to adequately oppose the monster coming from russia, then there were 50, it was promised, it is, but today the promise is already maybe 300, maybe more, that is, there are in all countries the possibility of increased... in order to help ukraine, and ammunition we get more, more, more. i would like to ask

you more about harm missiles, i remember how in 22, what effect did they have, and how many videos were there on the internet, about the consequences, and their use, now somehow in this context something is rarely found, they continue to apply, or russia has adapted to them, and they are no longer as effective, they. continue to be used, we just have such a psychology, we perceive something new, then we forget, and hyped up and forgot, as one of our air force representatives says, they are used every day, they are used, as i said, to blind the anti-aircraft of the russians so that other munitions are safe. could pass the line of collision or the zone of destruction, at the beginning the russians did not know that

we had them and did not turn off their means, so almost all the harm missiles reached the target, and the destruction of air defense means then, as far as the analysis showed us, was somewhere around 40% destroyed on for literally a week, then the russians... learned, understood what kind of missiles they were, they began to turn off, let them pass, then turn on again and shoot down directly those means that were supposed to go to the target. uh, but not so massively, but we use them every day, uh, they show their effectiveness, the only thing is the frequency range, the russians also take this into account, and they reconfigure their means to get out of the range that the homing head of this rockets but i understand that the arrival of f-16 will increase

effectiveness of both harms and jaydams, in general , of all aviation munitions currently in use. and can you explain why it will increase efficiency, how they will work? we hope that it will be so, because according to the tactical and technical characteristics reported to us by the representatives of the countries that will provide these planes, there is a series of planes in which the harms will be used thanks to the sensors that are in the plane, i.e. already there will be no rocket launch. in the hope that it will turn on, and there will be a launch just when the means on the ground turns on and emits, so it will be more effective in any way, because there will be no launch of a missile against a non-working anti-aircraft vehicle. regarding the armament that will be on the f-16, it is obvious that you cannot tell a lot, or maybe everything, but,

if we generally speak, the efficiency and increase in the number of ammunition. air, ground, air, air, er, it, er, it will be, how significant it will be, and maybe you can say with accuracy about some ammunition there that they will definitely be there, i can with accuracy to say that all the planes that will be provided have undergone some modernization, there is an improved sight, ee stands for the detection of air targets, there will be for us, will be provided... together with the planes , a special container that allows you to find and guide missiles, bombs at ground targets, also this the modernization mainly concerned the conversion of the aircraft for

the use of high-precision weapons, in wikipedia you can read... it is the abbreviation mlu, that is, these aircraft will be provided to ukraine, well, high-precision weapons are the same, if we compare wars now, in the second world war, how many thousands of those bombs were there, and now the same problem can be solved by two or three bombs, because if there the hit was within a radius of 800 m from the target, then here now the error of hitting is not by meters, but by centimeters, therefore... of course, we expect that the use of high-precision weapons will allow us to hit precisely those targets that are necessary for victory, for the advancement of our ground troops to the state border and the liberation of our territories. and speaking of air-to-air weapons, you said that one of the tasks will be to drive the russian

aviation away so that they cannot use cabs so en masse, again, it depends on what kind of radar will be on the f-16. and what will be air-to-air missiles, will they be able to work against the same, su-34, su-35. i don't want to go into the technical details right now, about the detection range, but our pilots are currently training overseas and i 've been talking to them, they're all impressed with the stability of the sights, they work flawlessly, they find targets from the drone to the plane i will not say what the range is, but there is still a missile used there, everyone knows the aim-120 and the range of its damage, well, let's say, according to some data, up to 180 km plus, that is, the most important thing for us is to first try it ourselves, how it

works, and then develop tactics , during which we will be able to fulfill what i am talking about in... at the very beginning, we must first make sure that no cabs fall on the heads of our soldiers on the front lines in peaceful cities such as kharkiv, sumy, zaporizhzhia, and then further drive away and destroy customs. a year ago you it was said that three or four squadrons of f-16s would be needed to gain air superiority in a certain area. now, according to public data, it is obvious that there will be more planes than these three or four squadrons, in this context, uh, what are your predictions regarding the changes in the situation in the air and how quickly it can happen, because i understand... the very process of the arrival of aircraft, it is gradual, they do not immediately will appear, the same three or four squadrons, it will be gradually, let's say this, three or four squadrons, i

was talking about a certain direction, and then a great role was played by the provision of patriots to ukraine, and you know, in the chernihiv direction and in the kherson region, the enemy stopped using cabs at all, because... 13 planes were shot down in two weeks, and they shot down 13 in two weeks planes, and they realized that this could not be done and started hunting for the patriots, now together with the patriots, if the f-16 works, we expect about the same effect, that is, they will understand that they are being shot down and will change either their tactics or refuse at all from the use of aviation. in some areas, in terms of numbers, today in the world there are few places to train pilots, and this process, it is not

fast, there are many peculiarities, it is not just learning to fly, you have to learn to use weapons, and the mentality is that airplanes of western production, they are very different in their weapon guidance procedure, like those planes on which... let's say this, i fly with those that we were preparing, so i won't say that it will be fast, but the fact that this year we will already see the effect and we will know what we still need to change, or not to change, time will tell and the actions of our pilots in the air on the f16, well, actually in this context, regarding the strategy of use there. 16 i had to read in the american media, conditionally, that this strategy is divided into three stages, that is, the first stage is purely anti-aircraft defense, the second stage is already

what you talked about, it is to drive away the russian aviation so that it does not use cabs, and actually the third stage is the conquest of a certain advantage in a certain area, is it so, in your opinion, is it all simplified and not true? works, we cooperate with representatives of the aviation coalition of states, and let’s say this, in this context of this triad, there is still a separate phase approach to the use of aviation, in short, it sounds something like this: crawl, go run, we haven’t learned to crawl yet, there will be planes , we will understand that we can crawl somewhere in the depths. countries, we will try what these planes can do, we will learn, we will get used to it, we will master the space that is relatively safe, then

we will go further, and when we have already taught let's learn to walk, and then we'll run, then there will be just the third stage of gaining an advantage, returning to the f-16, i want to ask you about the process of training ukrainian pilots, i remember that when the issue of language was first discussed in the 16 , it was such, let's say, one of the key ones that the problem there in education is language, which is shown by practice, it is really a problem only in language, are there any other nuances that need to be adapted and implemented during the actual learning process, maybe two or three more years ago, i also could not understand why the language is so important, but now i have had many business trips abroad, and i will say that the language is very important, why, because all training, all procedures, all documents are written in english, and a person, who has mastered

the language, it is much easier for her to perceive the material, it is much easier for her to communicate with those with whom the training takes place, that is, in europe, almost all training centers, they are not for one person, for some one country, that is what we will do now. how to say, common centers for three or four, for example, the center in in spain, in albacete, there are altogether 10 countries taking part, and therefore the personnel who come to these courses, to these trainings, if they cannot communicate in that common language, then of course they have nothing to do there, so the language is very important, and in us the first batch of our aviation personnel passed. training with translators, they mastered absolutely everything related to technology, service, and

after that we still accepted. decision they were sent for language training, because the procedures for operating the latest weapons it involves knowledge and software of these planes, which will be provided, and the forms to be filled out, that is , they will still have to overcome this barrier, therefore the language is very important and the terms of preparation, which is why we have slightly increased them, because we spend from two... to four months to prepare our staff, first with understanding, and then with technical issues. recently the president visited belgium and actually during this visit it was announced that belgium will provide 30 f16 aircraft, but many i was surprised by the dates: 2028, now 2024,

it seems that... the process has been very, very long, whether it is true or not, and it is being prolonged in order not to reveal all the details, let's say, to date, four countries that have confirmed the provision of aircraft, this does not mean that this is the final decision, because there are many more of these aircraft released in the world, and almost all countries in which the yef-16 is in service today will gradually rearm to ... 35, so there will be more of these aircraft, and probably, they will also be offered to ukraine. as for 30 planes there, 40 here it should be understood that not all the planes that will be transferred to ukraine, they will now come to ukraine, some of them will remain in those centers where our pilot aviation personnel are trained, these will be ukrainian planes that

will be used to train ours. pilots, so the number should not surprise anyone, there is a number that will go to ukraine, there is a certain number of planes that will be kept safe at safe air bases not in ukraine, so that they are not targets here, and this will be our reserve in case of need for replacement malfunctioning planes, for during routine maintenance, i.e. so that we can always have a certain number of planes in the operational... warehouse, which will correspond to the number of pilots we will have, there will be more pilots, there will be more planes in ukraine, that is, today the calculations are made in such a way that we know how many pilots we will have, how many engineers there will be, how many airfield service personnel there will be, so we have a certain number of prepared airfields, and we know the number of planes that will enter the first

turn, this year we will... how much will be spent next year, that is, there are these plans, if the number 28th year was sounded somewhere, well, it was sounded today, tomorrow the number 27th may be sounded, then the 26th, we have it today it is unknown and maybe it is good that it is not known, because with each conference of the members of the aviation coalition we will receive some more positive forecasts, more real. numbers, more, more information that allows us to make this process systematic. well, actually, when the f-16 will appear in ukraine and to what extent will there be their number? well, let's put it this way, i think that the first one who has the right to say about it is the highest military-political leadership. i can only say. that

according to the existing plans it will be this year, and what month, what day, tomorrow or the day after or in august, i think i am not qualified to comment on this, but according to the plans we have, this year should be in ukraine with f-16. let's leave this information intriguing for... i think they should be the first to feel, on their own skin, that f-16s are in ukraine, how significant the number is there will be, of course, no numbers, but aviation fights in pairs, units, squadrons, so we will start small and build up, i think that,

as a minimum, a unit, it is a hundred. but it will be, at least, well.