e, the president of the european commission, listened to the speech, the vice president of the united states , kanala harris, listened to the speech of olaf scholt, the federal representative of germany, none of them said that russia should be a full participant in the negotiations, on the contrary, they said that russia should be the aggressor punished, that is, among the participants of the summit, there are, so to speak, different inputs, yes, different opinions, and for this purpose, this summit is actually ... for people to talk, for people to exchange ideas, and tomorrow will be very interesting, because despite on what part of the leaders of the states will leave today, representatives of all 100 delegations will remain, and they will participate in parallel working groups, and at those working groups , not only three points will be discussed, which will be included in the final community, for this, this summit is also criticized, that the international community will be brought together by only... three points - nuclear safety,

food safety and humanitarian issues, the exchange of prisoners and the release of ukrainian civilian prisoners and ukrainian children whom russia took to its territory, but indeed , these three issues will constitute the final communiqué, but why, because regarding these three issues, no participant in this event has any doubts, because of course there should be nuclear security, of course there should not be a food crisis in the world and of course it is necessary to free the children, free the prisoners, free the civilians who are actually hostages of the russian federation, but at the same time the states will discuss the other seven points, which, as we know, contain the demand to withdraw the russian troops from the boundaries of the state borders of ukraine, punishment, the creation of a tribunal and so on, that is... these

issues, despite the fact that they will not be included in the text, they are discussed, and it is also very interesting, by the way, that between these stoma participants of the summit, of course not everyone will participate in this, but tomorrow it will be known who agreed, the idea is that each state that participates in the peace initiative will take on one or two issues from the ten points of the peace plan of ukraine, that is, for example, today already macron said that france will take care of nuclear... security, because france itself is a nuclear power, this is their topic and their experiences in fact, and very tomorrow it will be interesting, when the presidents of switzerland and ukraine will appear at the final press conference, whether they will announce which other countries have undertaken to take care of some other points , including the points we included in the final communique, so the summit itself is actually much more interesting than it may seem from today's news... all

day we analyzed what has not happened yet, because the plenary has just started meeting, and all day long we passed the news that a bilateral meeting was held, someone arrived, someone said something, but just a real conversation at a round table of hundreds of delegations from all over the world's continents, it's actually cool and very interesting, i'm tomorrow i am looking forward to the day, because the working group will meet again in the morning. and already in the afternoon there will be news, there will be three press conferences, the joint president of ukraine and switzerland, separately the president of switzerland, separately the president of ukraine, and this again shows that switzerland, it has its own rhetoric, and they want, if a little separately, maybe again to talk about the fact that russia should be seated at the negotiating table next to ukraine, but tomorrow, that is, regardless of the fact that that the second day and the lower level of representation. which leaders will go,

but it will be a very, very interesting day, i hope that it will be possible to agree on exactly these issues, which state will lead, which clause of the peace formula of ukraine, well, that means that in principle there are many people who will speak today at the summit, he just today at the evening plenary session, then there will be, as is often the case with work in working groups, right, yes, yes, yes, and actually, the communique, the finale. on my website, it is based on these three less, so to speak, debatable points, yes, points that everyone supports, for all that is good, against nuclear war, this communiqué has already been practically withdrawn, there are already drafts of it, if only tomorrow just to finalize the commas and dots there, but nevertheless, there will be a lot of work tomorrow, and also planning what to do next, when to hold the second summit, at what stage of it... it is clear that

the working groups will now meet after this summit, well, that is, it is very interesting, it is nice that this summit did not turn out as if... the picture has disappeared, that is, there is great hope that this process will really involve many states, dozens of states, which will continue to work on how to establish peace in ukraine, this is very important, this is a historical fact, which we can even say we did not expect . and can, for example, this is the final communique to be radically changed as of... by tomorrow and the second question, can there be states that, for example, in the final case will not sign this last option? and this is a very good question, this is really

a great question, because you really shouldn't expect that under this chimney there will be 100 signatures based on the number of the delegation, even today even the ukrainian delegation is communicating behind the scenes. told the journalists that the actual communiqué is open, which means that some states, if they want to sign it, if they want not to sign it, but also in the future some other states that are not currently participating in this process, or for example have not signed it now, then they can sign it later, that is , it will be such a document without a final dot, the number of signatures will vary over time, and indeed changes. well, they can be introduced, but we will see what happens tomorrow, because i don’t have the text of the draft right now, let’s see, and if we talk in principle about further intentions, you will think that it will be clear after this forum when

the next summit will be held, in which format, will the heads of state still meet? well how i feel there will definitely not be an answer to this question, because not so much has been communicated by all these participants of the new, this new, it can be called the inaugural summit, as it is called, by the way, the ukrainian delegation, this is the beginning, the first step, this is a new initiative, and so it is not known when all the participants will decide that they are ready to take the next step, or for example, will this road map be formulated before the... the second summit in its entirety, yes, based on all 10 points, there will already be some kind of ready peace plan that already it will be presented in the mountains, is it possible that there will be some intermediate summit, where three points will be considered in detail today, three more points will be discussed at the next summit, tomorrow it will

be decided, including today, by the way, at closed meetings of working groups, thank you tatyana , tetyana vysotska, correspondent of the tv channel... the press just in and yes i say that we have almost, almost a pause, yes, mr. vitaly, you wanted to say something, here she is at the peace summit in grenstok, but we continue all these conversations , we will continue the conversation a few minutes later a short pause, and vitaly portnikov's thoughts will follow, we will discuss all these topics that were discussed before, including new topics, everything that happened during this week and everything that is important. for our country, do not switch, a few minutes and we will be back. walk up the stairs, not with my knees, from pain in the knees, try dolgit cream. long-acting cream relieves pain, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility.

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them with humor, someone says that this is madness, there are different opinions, then. stated that he actually has his own demands, that he rejects all the vision that ukraine has , that the civilized world has, putin says that ukraine should not become a member of nato, says that 5 regions of our country should, in fact, even legally, according to international law, become part of russia, what was it? in accordance with international law , he did not speak, well, he spoke about what it is necessary to recognize, to recognize, we understand that to recognize, we are talking about recognition, if recognition is recognition within the framework of international legal treaties or something established, well, less so, we well understand that putin does not have a special connection with or not, not based

on legal facts, but less with what it was? i think that everything is happening completely logically. it seems to me that we have already repeatedly talked about the fact that he is trying to drive both russia and ukraine into such a legal trap, not for the first time. this legal loophole is connected with the fact that he has been in business since 2013 began to do something he had never done before. this is the same, this is the development of political schizophrenia. in the 1990s, they simply detached parts of the territories from the former soviet republics and created quasi-regimes there. the transnistrian moldavian republic, abkhazia, ossetia, by the way, gauzia, which later agreed with the republic of moldova, and by and large it is absolutely obvious that they believed that this would be such an obvious proof of their influence in the post-soviet space. in 2008, they crossed a new such rubicon,

they recognized the independence of abkhazia and south ossetia. and at that time they said that this type was a response to kosovo, the west recognized the independence of kosovo, and they, although it was after the decision of the un international court of justice, after attempts at genocide, after ethnic cleansing, there was a slightly different ethnic cleansing in abkhazia, south ossetia, there expelled people of georgian ethnic origin, but they recognized their independence, and this was the next stage, which absolutely does not allow to explain, and how the unreal relations between georgia and russia will be built, if russia admits that it is not necessary. territories that georgia considers to be an integral part of its sovereign territory, well, but one way or another , at least they did not claim them. in 2014 , a new stage took place: the annexation of crimea, the joining of the territory of one state to another. and this, i would say, changes everything very seriously from the point of view of international law, because for the first time

since the second world war in europe, one state annexed the territory of another state. well, in 2022, by and large, this continued, because in ukraine there were two, so to speak, hybrid regimes of influence, annexed territory and occupied territory, which declared itself an independent state, but this independence is not recognized by russia itself, so to speak, all this is happening within the framework of the transnistrian scenario. in february 2022, putin decided to replace the transnistrian scenario with the abkhazian one, and literally... in a few months he replaced the abkhazian scenario with the crimean one, and now the question arises whether it is possible to find a political solution to these problems, realistically, no, and that is exactly what putin is trying to achieve. he clearly says that if we imagine the end of hostilities, then this end of hostilities should take place so that

ukraine withdraws its troops from the occupied russian territory. che schizophrenia absolutely, but it is absolutely logically built in his head and in his constitutional right. and note that i always pay attention, russian propaganda always distinguishes between conventional kharkiv and conventional kherson. kharkiv is a ukrainian city. kherson is a city under the control of kyiv. ugh. odessa is a ukrainian city, although they say all the time that odessa will be russian, but it will be. ugh. zaporozhye is this the city is under the control of the ukrainian regime. there were explosions in russian-controlled zaporizhzhia, but not in ukrainian-controlled. and mean so, in principle, they have a clear understanding of where the state border of the russian federation is now, it passes along the administrative borders of the kherson,

zaporizhzhya, donetsk, and luhansk regions with ukraine. thus, no real political settlement of the russian-ukrainian conflict is possible, because any. to the president of the russian federation, who will to adhere to putin's course, it will not be possible to get your country out of the war with ukraine, even if this political solution is not sought. there can be only, conditionally speaking, a ceasefire between russia and ukraine. this is roughly how israel and the arab countries negotiated a cease-fire in 1948 on the island of rhodes. and the first peace agreement, which in principle fixed, well, at least, i would say, the external border, was signed only after almost 30 years between israel and

egypt, which means that it is necessary to prepare for an agreement long-term ceasefire, which will not guarantee anything to anyone, and will pass along this line, where the troops will be, and you just have to understand that. whenever this agreement was signed in the 25th, 35th, fortieth year, if the very essence of russian statehood does not change, it will only be a cease-fire agreement, which, in the event of our non-admission to nato, will doom us to the next military conflict through some time, it will be necessary to prepare for this conflict from the first day after the ceasefire, not for peace, but for war. unfortunately, it is unpleasant to speak. can there be a legal solution? i can tell. the legal decision should not be from our side, but from the russian side. we are a country whose territory is recognized under

international law. russia has absolutely clearly. to emphasize that the joining of the republic of crimea, kherson, zaporizhzhia, luhansk, and donetsk regions to it contradicts the constitution of the russian federation. that this accession took place in an illegal way, this should be the conclusion of the constitutional court of the russian federation, i mean after putin, that is, the president of the russian federation should apply to the constitutional court of the russian federation with the question of whether the annexation of these territories to the russian federation took place in a legal manner, if the constitutional court comes to the conclusion that it is not. then the president of the russian federation must address the federal assembly of the russian federation with a demand to return the constitution

of the russian federation in accordance with the international obligations of the russian federation and the decision of the constitutional court of russia. it is possible that an all-russian referendum will have to be held on this matter. it doesn't seem like it to you that from any russian helmsman it will fly... a shot in the head, we don't know what russia will look like in the future, uh, i mean, if we 're talking about russia that wants to return to a civilized of the world, which wants to have normal relations with the west, which wants no sanctions against it, but wants its assets to be returned, well, that's all, if it wants all this, then it can be, if not, if you think that this is a shot in the head, then in this way... you perfectly understand, andrii, that there are no legal grounds to believe that the russian federation will end the war, there is no political agreement with ukraine.

what can we say, if we agree, i think that many viewers are saying now, well, if they do not agree, and they are a nuclear power, they can wipe us into powder, then maybe we should agree, god be with them in this kherson, zaporizhzhia, donetsk, luhansk... regions, let's withdraw the troops from our unoccupied territories, take people who want to leave there and stop the war, i'll tell you what will happen the next day, the next day, russian troops will enter the territory of kharkiv region, hold a referendum there, well, maybe the next day, in a month, ugh, and they will demand from us, that is, this is a salami tactic, as soon as you agree to such an idea, you just have it again under a simple pretext... now the kyiv regime is terrorizing the population of the zaporizhzhia region, whether a terrorist act was incited, you heard putin say,

we didn't intend to capture kyiv, we just wanted to. to go there, that they have stopped shelling donbas, it is logical, well, it can be to be in kharkiv region, kharkiv region, then poltava region, and the question arises where it will end, the next-last time the president of ukraine will sign an agreement in which he recognizes that zakarpattia region is an integral part of the russian federation in bratislava, or in bdbeska , i don't know where the nearest point is, this is how it will end, because it's just not in a year or a year. two out of 10, huh, that is, this is a direct road to the liquidation of ukrainian statehood and to the transformation of citizens living on the territory of ukraine into citizens of the russian federation, into residents of russian regions, and this is simply the recognition of five subjects, this is the first step, the next ones will follow, remember how putin once told alexander lukashenko, when he discussed with him the unification into a union state, he says that belarus, volodymyr volodymyrovych wanted.

and this is exactly what is happening, they are joining russia, they are joining russia by regions, crimea, donetsk region, luhansk region, kherson region, zaporizhia region, they are not even ashamed, you know, their constitution is not at all provided for until now , the annexation of the territories of other states is prohibited by the constitutional law of russia, and therefore they hold a referendum, which, by the way, contradicts the constitutional law of ukraine. let's say, do you remember the last annexation, they declared zaporizhzhia oblast an independent state, they didn't even become a people's republic? you are imagining why this independent state zaporizhia oblast, as well as the independent state kherson oblast, were annexed to the russian federation as a state.

you, well, you know, that's how the state can do it declare any district as a part of ukraine and join it, which, what matters, the region, this district, the city, whatever you want, it's just, by the way, the city, the city-state of sevastopol was annexed to the russian federation, as a state, and this is not a joke, this is a legal document, the constitutional court of the russian federation, the federal assembly, the president of russia approved... the accession to russia of the state of sevastopol, there was such a state for several days, and in this state, as you remember, not even there was a leader, a document with putin on the accession of the state sevastopol to the russian federation, signed by the people's mayor of sevastopol named chala, whose name was simply shouted at the rally, no one even elected him mayor, imagine a person who just walked into the mall from the street, took some

documents and went to sign with the president of some other state city annexation agreement, you can imagine the level of arrogance in general, but they're doing it, so the fact that he's saying that, i think that's even more important than anything else, because you know, to discuss some changes in the constitution and laws can be held at any... peaceful conferences, here you are, we want you to change such laws, and we want you to change such laws, you should change such texts in such articles, because we are concerned, rights national minorities in your territory, well, how is hungary doing this, we are concerned about the rights of transcarpathian hungarians, we want you to change this and that, but imagine that... hungary,

you say, you know, but we need it to be the european integration of ukraine, let's join the behriv district to hungary, well this is our demand, to recognize that the territory of hungary will not occur to anyone, however, to any hungarian prime minister, and if it occurs, it will be the last day of this prime minister's stay in the european union, in nato , everything will be over in a few days. and here we are not just talking about neutral status, about the demilitarization of the country, about such things, which are also absolutely arrogant, but together with this they can appear as topics for negotiations, because we can demand the same thing from russia, demilitarization, for example , border russian-ukrainian, etc.