is, well, if not in poverty, then somewhere on the verge of poverty, while the same 73% of the population say that everything is moving in the right direction and the country is moving in the right direction, my point is that on today, one of the most global problems for all of us is that it is not because yeltsin is good or bad, or there is a certain time. was different, the problem is that today, well, any revolution, it needs a whole set of factors, or even a change of power, no matter how we will name it, but the first factors are definitely a leader, some idea, ideology, structures, time, money, and international support or silence, at the moment there are no two key points, there are no leaders, there are no leaders at all, and the opposition does not fall at all , it does not fall on 23%.

cannot even accumulate 23% of those who are anti-putin, because in russia, on average , 23-24% of the population since the first day of the war are people who are categorically against putin, and there is no, probably even the biggest problem, it is not the leader, the leader would appear the problem is that 99 or 100% of the residents of the russian federation, including anti-putinists, and including stormtroopers and supporters of khadarkovski, are people who... live in the ideology of the russian world, and this is our biggest problem, and we all like to compare with at the end of the soviet union, but at that time there were at least two global ideological histories, one was called communism, the other was called incomprehensible to anyone, but democracy and market economy, and they collided with each other, well, in fact, to some the moment came when there was a de facto 50-50 clash, at least in... er, the european

part of the soviet union, at the moment there is nothing like that in russia, that is , until an idea appears that can ignite large masses of people , until then they will vote for putin or for putin x, and the problem here is not that there are scraps or no scraps, the problem is that at the moment they have been able, the putin government has been able to completely crush, globally crush any new ideas that could. i guess i'll ask you a question, it's not a question, it's a suggestion for reflection, those white gloves that you mentioned, in which the russian opposition, this is my question, is abroad, there are no threats to it, just like that, but they don’t, they don’t emit ideas, yes... those

universal ideas, yes, i did not hear a single word about the need, for example, to apologize to the japanese, to the japanese for the northern territories, to the finns for the, there is also something to apologize for, for these encroachments, for this imperialism, and who would there was none of them, they, they can say, we are against the empire, but they never specify, they don't say specifically, we will come to... power and before the japanese, well, in particular, sorry, they understand that they will not find a single percentage of support among the population of the russian federation, what to do with it, please, sir vadim, well, in principle, if it is allowed, what to do about it, i will say at the end, first, i would like to say something else, that they are not ready not only to apologize to japan, they are not ready to admit that they can fight the way. i will tell you because what if

you are in conditional lithuania, latvia, estonia, no matter where, you do not fall under the law, but you continue to write in a circle, where only you can, that this material was created and on agents, well, and further down the list, as it should be according to russian legislation, you can't afford to say where the hell the power went, because we... don't fall under your control and you can't reach out with your own hands, they can't even afford such a thing, so unfortunately, in the principle of her special faith that this opposition can change something, unfortunately, for me there is no, so it is obvious that we still need to think about not thinking about a new idea, a new ideology, and probably then a number of violent people will appear inside russia who will be ready to support it, right there and then... for now, well

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organization that also thinks about money, and dmytro boyarchuk, the executive director of the case ukraine socio-economic research center, will appear before us, he has already appeared, thank you, mr. dmytro, for finding for us on sunday time, thanks for the invitation, look, many years ago to during the war, a good friend of mine is a banker and... the city banker oleksandr savchenko said the following phrase: in ukraine, i don't remember what the population was then, well, there are 40 or so million of them who have to pay taxes. 20 million, they pay 10 million, that is, they don’t pay half, or they pay less, or they avoid it, or they somehow hide it, i don’t know, i read your thoughts on this matter, my wonderful editors gave me a look at them, and you write about exactly that , which is not worth it, well if, well, not that it is not worth it,

but it can raise taxes secondarily, the first priority is to collect taxes, to find ways so that everyone pays taxes, or almost everyone, i think that there is no country in the world where 100% and not 99% pay taxes, people like to evade in some way, in as mr. savchenko testifies, ukraine has half of such dodgers, but there are mechanisms that can allow the state to really collect taxes, please, mr. dmytro. of course there are such mechanisms, it is called capable institutions, i will make a short excursion to the year 2022, when the invasion just began, you remember that leo part of the state institution was practically paralyzed, apart from the armed forces , only the national bank was working, you remember that

at that time they quite promptly saved it, tried to save it. tion, that is, certain measures were introduced and the payment system there continued to work, i would say that only thanks to this we were able to donate to the armed forces there, collect from our savings for drones, and in general somehow feel that life did not collapse, why did this happen, because at one time the national bank was made full-fledged, capable, a full-fledged independent institution, there were questions about appointments, but a rather serious mechanism for restraining counterbalances was developed, and the national bank was and remains a full-fledged working, full-fledged institution, this is not the case with the tax, customs, bureau of economic security, which are

now in place, and a number of other bodies , who are involved in so-called economic crimes, that is... they are all part of some kind of telephone law or any other, enough of such a discretionary application, and that's when our international partners say that you must somehow mobilize resources, they mean that, they mean that a significant part of the economy works outside the law, yes, that is, the laws are written there before for that. of the economy, which in 99% voluntarily pays taxes, and there is a part of the economy that, no matter what you write, what strict rules you create, it does not concern them, who they are, what organizations they are, everyone knows about it, about the people who work in the market know this , the same authorized bodies know about it, the only thing

is that they have the attitude of these people, these organizations should not be touched. yes, yes, this is the task that the same international partners are trying to push us towards, so that finally the tax, customs, and economic security bureaus will not be in a state of performing duties, but that people will come there with certain clear programs, tasks and finally began to do their work and look clearly in the direction of that part of the economy, those people who... live outside the law, that's what the post was about, yes, because, well, that is, realistically in our country, i don't know , why it is considered that we have enough the low level of taxation in the economy, it is not low, far from low, that is, if you take all taxes in total and compare them with the quality of public services that we receive,

roughly speaking, yes, that is, we do not just pay taxes, we still have to kind of... if you look at governance at a certain level, it is a very sad situation, and in fact my post was to show that no matter how many taxes we pay, our situation with the financing of defense cannot be resolved, because as a rule, taxes are raised for what, in order to reduce balance sheets, yes, when you have a certain deficit, you are not living within your means, if there is a certain way to reduce spending, increase taxes. your deficit disappears and you actually live according to your money, according to the money you have, our balance sheets do not match, we have 2023 funding year. our defense is 103% of gdp, that is, we cannot do this under any conditions, and actually i wanted to push the idea that we are not being asked

to raise taxes, we are being asked to better administer revenues and better administer expenditures, that's what, sir dmitry, i would ask you this, i understand that you are a cautious person, money likes peace. silence, but september doesn’t like it, it doesn’t always like it, at least i you, you described it so neatly, that is, there are forces, very high on the mountain, i’m not alluding to the office of the president, which you see now, this, i i don't know where these people are sitting, to whom it is beneficial for things to be as they are, and it is not beneficial as the western partners say, to restore order and administration, that is, there are big... political forces or political and economic ones who benefit from that state of affairs , poor, let's say directly, which one exists today, and it is necessary to eradicate it not

anywhere, but precisely where these people are, and you say that there are forces in society that know where these institutions and people are, please, mr. dmytro, well, this is not possible not to know, these operations, they are visible to everyone, they are large-scale, they are so... that it is impossible not to notice, yes, that is, the question is whether certain measures are applied to them, you are asking about names, well, if i do not know there specifically names that interfere, that's all, but of course, that this is the entourage of the president, that is, exactly at that level, these issues are resolved, how centralized it is, and what is the goal, wait, wait, sir, and what is the goal, they just want to make money, well, make money. i say conditionally, to steal or somehow acquire money, or somehow transfer the money to my pocket, i understand correctly, because otherwise there is no

logic, if i steal, i don’t steal for what to give to my neighbor, but probably for myself, absolutely correct, the goal is to make money, and here i want to draw attention, yes, that is, for example, the price of the question is 20% vat, that is , a conditional smuggler has a certain luck... a product which by definition is 20% cheaper because it does not pay that vat than what is sold legally. suppose you raise taxes to 25%. the asking price was 20, it became 25. you think that this is the volume of smuggling, it will decrease, but on the contrary, it becomes even more interesting. so in the conditions of non-working institutions, raising taxes makes various schemes even more interesting. and well, this must be done clearly, just change the politician, which means that you have to go to the elections again, and after five terms it may

happen that people who do not will want to steal as much as today's officials want. i do not think that people who do not want to do this will come to power, i rather count on the fact that... our international partners, in the conditions of our strong dependence on external financing , will eventually press the issue of the bureau of economic security and as far as i'm concerned, these conversations are not public, you understand that now there is a war and any kind of leaks of information in an active form, well, they are not communicating directly now, but if... what to watch various kinds of program documents, the same zhraine facility, or rather, this is the ukraine plan within the framework of the ukraine facility, other program documents, they are putting

these things in the foreground now, and i think that in the near future these issues will be pressed, the question is that here are these changes, they have been pending for two years, and for two years we have not been able to do this, we have not been able to reboot certain institutions there. here suddenly, you know, our only way out is to raise taxes, and what was not done there, well, you see, that's it it will die dmitry, i have a socio-philosophical question for you, because i discuss it very often in the background and over beer with various smart people, much smarter than me, and these smart people say, no-no-no, fish it rots not from the head, no-no, no, and when you say, there may be five cadences. but nothing may change, this is because in the population, in society, it is normalized not to pay taxes, it is normalized to steal, and... when we

say somewhere on the mountain in the cave hills it is not okay, i will tell you that a million cases when in the village they elect a head, to his godfather comes and says: listen, give me permission to open a store, only don't give other people permission, permission, to open a store, then i will share with you, we will have one, we will be monopolies, and everyone will buy from us and we will make money loot, and it's just a lot of money, it's not, it's not the minister, it's later... the head of the collective farm or whatever he's called there, becomes the head of the village council, then he can go to the city, to the town, to the city, to the region and to the capital, and he has already been taught how to work, for some reason it seems to me that the population, citizens, well somehow they are not, they well, they are satisfied with this state of affairs, but suddenly i will be promoted there, and then i will earn for myself, now i can criticize, but

not ... strongly, not loudly, but quietly, and tomorrow i will take the place of that minister, and i will also have something in my pocket, what do you say, well, it is a well-known truth that ukrainians want there to be no corruption and that in the case of which the best man could decide, yes, that is, it is clear that people who hold certain positions are not, did not appear from outer space and were not sent to us by martians, yes, they are part of us, part of society, but these people who are endowed powers, they are empowered to change these rules of the game as well. these rules of the game need to be thought through quite seriously, but i will once again give an example of the same national bank. before it was reloaded into an independent body, there was approximately the same situation as you are telling about the procomum, but we

see. well, this is a very vivid example, when in fact all institutions, except for the armed forces, they can be said to have developed, yes, that is, to a certain extent collapsed for a certain period, which is what the russian federation actually achieved, and the national bank, he conducted an active dialogue, and they worked very well, that is, i can't even imagine what it would be like if our financial system would also collapse, that is , it is possible, such institutions are being created. and it is clear that society and relations in society, they do not change instantly, yes , here we were in a certain kind of gray zone, here all became white puffballs, this will not happen, but if certain things are changed systematically and in the right direction, then even our examples, they show that these changes are happening, the question is whether it is necessary to do, and it all goes exactly to... at

the highest level, at the level of the leader of the country's leaders. do you want to tell me and convince our viewers that these pills, these pills exist, that is , the wishes of the president, the prime minister, i don't know the chairman of the verkhovna rada, ministers and so on and so on, there is simply step one, step two , step three, step four, and i agree to... in the first year and maybe not in the second year, but eventually, in 3-5 years , society will feel it, well, because simply, i mean society, not you, you just will have it twice as much money, society, if everyone pays taxes, administers them correctly, simply the state will suddenly have more money for education, for science, for treating people and so on and for

the army, for the troops and so on. do i understand correctly that there are already these pills and they are understandable, and someone simply does not want to use them. these pills are there, they are clear, we are not the first, we are not the last, that is, there is a fairly well-known set of steps and conditions that need to be created, but these steps, you understand, are painful for people who are empowered. you absolutely correctly gave the example of the head of a certain community there, yes, they say conditionally , we say conditionally, the same thing works for the leaders of the country, yes, that is, they have to lead in a certain way, yes, do you remember this anecdote, does the president have to pay...