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but he plays on the fact that the united states does not want a full-scale war, primarily the biden administration, it wants to come to its elections as a peacemaker who settled this middle eastern conflict, did not allow a conflict between china and taiwan, maybe they would be happy with ukraine were to settle something, but you see, now they have taken such a tougher position on the conflict with russia, that is, on peacemaking. they moved to pressure on russia, in fact, economic and military, here in the middle east they are still playing some peacekeepers and they want to settle something by some kind of peace, there is a danger that now israel is losing international support first of all, well, it has been losing it all these months, well, yes, i am talking about it, it is losing, losing, but here, first of all, there is a danger . there is a loss
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of the support of the united states, first of all in the un security council, and because of the agreements that exist between israel and the united states, and what would not prevent ukraine, it is the status of the main ally outside nato, so to deprive of military support at any - which one it would be difficult for the administration, but to somehow vote the wrong way in the security council, that would be a danger. indeed, and this is very much feared in israel, and in the government, you see, the government has now shrunk in israel, that is, the center-left left, this hanse azinpod, who were such leaders of american policy, actually in the government, and the government has become more like that tough on these issues, but less protected from any attacks from the side of the united states, those forces that want to force israel. come to peace
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at any cost. and in principle, how much is this the government now allows any decisions to be made, because we know that the right- wing ministers of the far-right government there have already said that if netanyahu there agrees with the american plan, they will come out with a coalition, the coalition will fall apart, there will be preparations for early elections, and so on the prime minister is in this state, on one side there is the united states, on the other side there is a far-right minister, he cannot even reveal his position, well position. these netanyahus were always like that, you know, he somehow tried in this difficult situation sweat, let's say, between reality and desire, and some kind of desire, whether he will succeed this time, it is very difficult to say, well, to lose the government, it seems to me that he does not want to, he understands that if elections are called now, then his party there will be not as good results as there were last time and...
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the danger of those people coming to power who resemble any plans of the united states. well, this is the first, the same hans, this is lapit, who, he will be the leader of any policy, well, as we saw, how he is a football player gave gas, well, probable gas deposits in the middle of the mediterranean sea, and said that now we have agreed with hizbollah, we gave them the disputed territory and it will be with hizbollah. everything is fine, well, we saw how it is fine, the same was said by the people who handed over gas at the time, who handed over southern lebanon from the control of israel, well, now we are all, all this is responding, and please tell me how you imagine in principle the existence of israel outside this concept of peaceful coexistence with neighbors at the expense of territorial arrangements, in this case, it has always been the essence of the security policy, which made the vegan monks happy. well, the agreement and the possibility
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of those countries that in principle recognize the existence of the state of israel, for example, with egypt it was possible to make such a condition, which really works, just as much, as long as there is this royal dynasty in jordan, which is between conscious and such agreements are possible with jordan, agreements are possible with arab countries that are somewhere far away, what are these territories in principle, you know, nothing, but how to reach an agreement with people who in in principle, they do not recognize the rights of israel since its existence, here are the latest polls from the palestinian arabs, well, they have the concept in their heads that even this concept of two states for two peoples, they have it, well, somewhere between 10-15 and 20% of supporters finds, no more, what can be agreed upon with them, that is, each of them... the agreement they
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imagine is that now we have bitten off something, and tomorrow we will bite off something else, we will bite off something else, and well, until there is nothing left of israel , look at the world map. well, there 's not much to really bite into here, that's all the country is not that small, but almost microscopic? if we understand that, on the one hand, the palestinians do not want an agreement with israel and want to rule over the entire territory of the former mandated palestine, the right-wing tendencies are intensifying in israel, which is already visible there by the votes for such parties as the party there and tamara bangwir and... smotrych, who are considered such far-right politicians there even from a classical european point of view, this means that the conflict cannot be resolved in principle, we have to count on war without end, well, for now, yes, until the palestinians, they will not see for themselves a world in
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which the existence of israel is possible, an agreement with them is impossible, they can somehow be forced into a temporary one. that there will be war again after some time, well, that is , israeli society needs, perhaps, like ukrainian society, to abandon this idea of ​​living in peace, as in the norm that has already prevailed for the past decades, how can you live there, support the idea of ​​living with people , who want to destroy you, and this concept they, they from they don't refuse it, you see, well... if with russia this concept became so obvious only there in the 10s, it began to manifest itself, then in israel with the arabs this idea, well, the first pogroms on this land began somewhere in
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the 20s years of the 20th century, quite so powerful, and then in the year 48 it flared up with new force, arab figures, you can remember the sheikh... well, the mufti of jerusalem, hussein, i think his name was, he was friends with hitler, they are there once the ideas of exterminating the jews were discussed very animatedly, and this idea fascinated him, and these ideas live and flourish in this environment, so uh, well, somehow israel, well, managed to survive for many years in this environment, but you see, now it is fueled, the main thing. the main thing is that all these palestinian hamas and so on, what they are giving themselves credit for now, and this is supported precisely by this survey, that they have this idea of ​​palestine, they got it from some kind of closet, from it a little bit of mold, with which it has already
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been covered, removed, and it played with new colors, you see, and they like it very much, they don’t even feel sorry for these victims, this destroyed gas station, this, well, they they think that now they will be given... money again, they will certainly steal most of it there, but they will restore something there and move on, but the fact is that again they actually broke this agreement with saudi arabia, which was already almost at the stage of such implementation , and for china, for iran, for turkey, it is important that the project of a trade route from india through saudi arabia, israel to europe is disrupted. that is, they actually destroyed the competitor, well, not that they destroyed, but in fact now this project is not on time, and it was just very strong competition on this route from china to europe, this long long road, and
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you see china is again in profit, turkey is again in profit, because this route goes through it, iran is the same, well, some are from the people of the martian school. they always say that behind many political events there is always some kind of economy, some kind of money, well, looking at this situation, you can believe it too. thank you, mr. vadim, vadim polishchuk, historians of the political viewer from israel, we were on the phone and we talked about the situation in the middle east, the conflict has been going on for 254 days now region, we know that by and large this conflict is currently dragging on. the weight of many countries from the russian-ukrainian war, which vladimir putin is also interested in, and in this regard, of course, it is important to understand how this conflict can end, although we have already heard from israeli politicians that the conflict will at least continue until the end of this
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year , and many believe that this is an optimistic forecast, that in fact the conflict in israel and ukraine will co-exist in parallel for many months, maybe years and stand for the inhabitants of israel. the norm of ukraine's existence for 20 years of the 21st century is a conflict situation that may, at best, be interrupted by some periods, periods of peace, which we all continue to hope for. we're going to a commercial break now and we'll be back later, so please don't switch. in the spring, many people went, i too, thanks to acquaintances and a job was easily found, a new country, and the salary was good, the escort immediately collected the documents so that they would not be delayed at the border, but i had passports i didn't see her again, we were taken from house to house and forced to... work for maintenance, and without money and documents, how to return, and
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we continue the politclub program on the express tv channel. let's talk with oleksiy haran, professor of political science at the kyiv-myhyla academy, scientific director of the ilko kucherev democratic initiative foundation. congratulations, mr. oleksiy. i congratulate you. well, against the background of this peace summit, how do you see the position. does he have any common position at all? i would say that not everything is lost, regarding the common position, we saw a very contradictory position, yes, that there is really, really no common position, that is, there is definitely the influence of russia and china, which worked quite fruitfully in order to... level the participation of the countries of the global south in this
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event, and, but also, let's say, even from such countries that were represented, although not at the highest levels, well, let's say, the same mexico, indonesia, india, saudi arabia, they abstained, thailand, abstained after, regarding the signature. final communiqué, but at the same time there are enough countries that supported it, and here we can talk about qatar. and this is very important about jordan, about, yes, who else is there, from bahrain, etc in latin america, there are a lot of countries, including argentina, chile, ecuador, guatemala, costa rica, which were on, and uruguay, by the way
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, if we look at africa, then there, let's say. countries like kenya, ghana, cote d'ivoire, liberia, rwanda, and a number of smaller countries, they also supported this communiqué, so, well, we can say that we failed to unite, let's say, the entire global south, and here obviously, there is actually a lot of work ahead, and to be honest, it's hard... how are we going to do it going forward, well, but in the same it is the art of diplomacy to do something that seems impossible at the moment. do you understand the practical meaning? well, we united the global south, well, what's next? well, this is your question, which you traditionally ask, when they said, i
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remember, that we will get a second expanded crimean platform, so what? this is a good question, a good question, and in fact, in fact, there is no unequivocal answer to it, because the question arises, really, how will this work be carried out further, that is, now if there are three points on which we decided further to work, that is, the working delegations will work through them, but will russia go for it? well , again, a big question mark, well, it is written that ukraine has full sovereignty over the zaporizhia nuclear facility, but how russia will react to this, well, it is difficult to say, so i think that it will most likely not leave there, because this is an attempt is blackmailing not only ukraine, but other countries as well, i want to remind you
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that putin demands that ukrainian troops leave the entire territory of the zaporizhzhia region, even the part that... absolutely absolutely fair. well, i think that, for example, maybe on the point of food security, there will be more movement, yes, because our grain corridor has already been restored, and there are really a lot of countries in the world that are interested in this, so i think that here, let's say, there are more chances, but to imagine the exchange of captives, and even the return of ukrainian deported children, we see. how many countries are working on this, including the countries of the global south, and the same qatar, and aman, and other countries were here, and are being made, movements are being made, and are returning gradually, but very little, but very little, that is, this process is very, very long, so i
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would not like there to be, you know, inflated expectations and... and well, the president says that now for the preparation of the second summit it is necessary it's going to be months, and it's months to end the war, but it's hard for me to imagine how that 's going to happen, you know what i'm going to tell you, we've had, i think, too many expectations for and the first global peace summit, somewhere else, well six months ago, and then when... when it became clear that not everything was going that way it's simple and that we will even reduce the number of discussed issues from 10 to three, thank god that if we at least started not to build up these inflated expectations,
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and we experts also played a role here, and you too, mr. vitaly, and others, let's... be realistic about what we can achieve, what we know, we can achieve , so i don't see any harm in holding these, these summits, that is, this is another, if diplomatic initiative, maybe something will come out of it, we see , that through the un, well , it seems that 141 states have united there, voted for all the right things, but the aggressors are now there, well, let's try to use this one... and how can you say now, a track in which, after all , not only western countries participate, but also non-western countries, but.. well, we have to be aware that it will be very difficult. and again, if we say that
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the next global summit will be held in two months, then i think we need to clarify here what we expect from it, whether it will be a peace summit, whether it will be a meeting at the level of advisors, whether it will be work workers groups so that once again no overestimations were created. expectations, and then we start to get disappointed: why didn't this work out, and why didn't that work out, once again the fact that there were 90 countries, even 92 countries, yes, that's not bad, the fact that 80 countries signed the communique is good, here , well, but it doesn't end there, well, here is the question of why we had inflated expectations, and by the way, it's not only us. western politicians all the time assume that russia will sooner or later be ready for negotiations, but do not explain the mechanism of russia's involvement in to real negotiations, not to talks about
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putin's ultimatums, but to real negotiations in which we, ukraine, and russia would appear to be equal parties, and russia would at least accept the fact of ukraine's existence? well, i could already, i think that in western countries there will still be a turning point, if it happened. yes, but some western figures and leaders, well, the pope himself, yes, i think that this turning point did not, did not happen, that is, yes, there are people who continue to believe that ukraine should be annexed by russia and speak directly, that 's how the president talked about it all the time switzerland, that all this is being done in order to put russia and ukraine in direct negotiations, so what? it will give, especially considering putin's recent statements, that is, yes, i think that in the minds of some countries, they remain misunderstanding that it is not possible
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to simply sit down as a victim and agree on something that the aggressor does not want to agree on at all, that it is necessary to continue the pressure, pressure in various forms, if this peace summit will be, will become such a tool of pressure, maybe, well maybe or... partial, then it will go to the plus side, and if it simply turns into conversations and that we will sit there at the next meeting, we will invite russia, we will sit it too, among the participants, and we will negotiate with it, well, it is unlikely to give results, well, then the question arises, in principle, how do we evaluate the possibilities of international pressure on russia in the near future, how do you think... i think that this pressure, well, we see from the side, from the side of the western countries, it is increasing,
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yes, and in particular what will happen, well, it looks like that finally arms deliveries to ukraine will be paid for with frozen interest russian assets, yes, this is a plus, of course, that will increase in general, if military aid to ukraine is a plus, and that economic sanctions will deepen, that is pressure, and my god, there may be, there may be pressure too, let's say, in the legal sphere, well , putin's announcement, putin's announcement, putin's arrest warrant, yes, what was done by the international criminal court, but... but that is , there can be such pressure, but at the moment it is not enough, so far is not enough, although i carefully listened to the experts in
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your program, they say that gradually it gives results, and it will give results, well, but it is gradual, it has been going on for too long, of course, i would like it faster, but what are the chances of faster? what is needed, what needs to be done in order to speed up, if we say, arms deliveries, economic ones, i think that this decision is actually about the use of frozen interest on frozen russian assets - this is a very, very good step, they are collecting more weapons for... countries, well, these are done primarily by the countries of the west, yes, but we can expect more from the countries of the global south after all, for some, for some moral,
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moral support, well... putin is really counting on what putin is counting on, that in the western democracies each of these countries will have their own national elections, and they are so or otherwise will affect the deployment, the deployment of forces, well , of course, the results of the elections in the united states will have colossal consequences, the results of the early parliamentary elections. in france, well here, the truth is, the president heads foreign policy and security policy, the president, this is his sphere activities, but if some kind of government is created with the participation of lupin, or it will be a minority government, or there will be no stability in the french parliament, well, of course, it will make life difficult for macron as well, which will
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force him. to, let's say, more cautious statements there, or to maneuvering, how to satisfy both the electorate, because the elections of the 27th year seem to be far away, but it will actually be a test of the party of the entire party of macron, macron is no longer will be president, and will this party be able to hold on without macron, that will be. big, big question, i want to return to the global south, you were in south africa, spoke with politicians there, and here is the question of whether we are able to influence countries like this, if there are any serious political changes, we somehow did not notice this changes these days, cyril ramaphosa was just re-elected for a second term as the president of the republic of south africa, but for this re-election he had to face after the last parliamentary elections, where the african
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national... the dog did not get a majority votes, we had to go to the creation of a government of national unity from the democratic alliance party, this is such a liberal party, its leader john stay hazen was in ukraine during the war, by the way, one of the few african politicians who are not leaders of the state, namely opposition leaders, visited ukraine, was in lviv, met with politicians there, expressed support for ukraine, and if such parties with an unambiguous position... after the war gain power in the countries of the global rooster, even a part authorities, can we use it? certainly, i would just like to clarify here that the newly re-elected president, he did propose a government of national unity, yes, but uh, his pro-russian opponents, they just didn't agree with that, and that's why now there will be
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a coalition government with... with in first of all, it is with the democratic alliance, which takes sufficiently pro-ukrainian positions, and secondly , there will be a second partner, or rather, a third partner - this is the inkata, the svoboda inkata party, yes, that is, it is a party based in the province of kwazulu natal, ah, so this pro, this coalition, it will definitely be more. more favorable for ukraine, that is, we, i do not think that we can expect any quick reversals, you know, any, but the fact that there will be changes, i think that they, that they will be, that is why this party, it, to things, all the time, it is the ruling party in the province of cape town, but i forgot whether it is the western party. it is
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eastern, but in any case in cape town itself, they have been in power for many years , lighting up the parliament building in blue and yellow colors, that is, their position is pro-ukrainian she, she is known, that's why there are changes here, there can certainly be changes, but these changes can be both positive and negative, so we don't know, for example, the president of chile borych, who is left-wing and who is pro-ukrainian the position that was at the summit, but, well, it is possible that parties will come to power in the upcoming elections, right-wing parties will come to power, and then we will have to find a common language with them, that is, this option, this option...

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