it is also interesting to note, for example, that the organizer of the summit, switzerland, which is a neutral state, constantly emphasizes in all the speeches of the swiss side, the side of the organizers, that the peace process is impossible without the participation of russia, that is, switzerland is constantly pushing in this way, somehow even putting a little pressure on it , to involve russia in the negotiations, but for example, here i am before joining the funderlein studio now, the president... of the united states channels faris, listened to the speech of olaf scholz federal, none of them that russia should be a full-fledged participant in the negotiations, he did not say, on the contrary, they said that russia, the aggressor , should be punished, that is, among the participants of the summit, there are, so to speak, different inputs, different opinions, and for this reason, this summit is actually being held, so that people... . said that people

will exchange ideas, and tomorrow will be very interesting, because despite the fact that some of the leaders of the states will go today, leave the representatives of all 100 delegations, and they will participate in parallel working groups, and here in those working groups not only the three points that will be included in the final community will be discussed, this summit is also criticized for this, that only three points and the nuclear one will be included in the regional community. security, food security and humanitarian issues, the exchange of prisoners and the release of ukrainian civilian prisoners and ukrainian children whom russia took to its territory, but these three issues will really make up the final communique, but why, because regarding these three issues, not a single participant of this there is no event doubt, because of course there should be nuclear ... security of course there should not be

a sales crisis in the world and of course children should be freed, prisoners should be freed, civilians who are actually hostages of the russian federation should be freed, but at the same time the states will discuss the other seven points , which, as we know, contain a demand to withdraw russian troops from the state borders of ukraine, punishment, the creation of a tribunal and so on, that is, these questions... that they will not include in the text, they are being discussed, and it is also very interesting, by the way, that among these 100 participants of the summit, of course not all of them will participate in it, but tomorrow it will be known who agreed, the idea is that each state that participates in the peace initiative, will take on one or two issues from the ten points of ukraine's peace plan, i.e., for example, today macron already said that france will take care of nuclear security, because... it is a nuclear

state itself, this is their topic and their real concerns. and it will be very interesting tomorrow, when the final press conference will be held by the presidents of switzerland and ukraine, will they announce which other states have undertaken to take care of some other points, including those points that we included in the final communique, so the actual summit is actually much more interesting than it might seem from today's news reports, because today's... news reports, in fact, all day we analyzed what has not happened yet, because the plenary session just started, and all day we broadcast news about what a bilateral meeting was held, someone arrived, someone said something, but just a real conversation at a round table of hundreds of delegations from all over the world's continents, it's really, it's cool and very interesting, i'm looking forward to tomorrow's day, because from the very in the morning , working groups will meet again and... already in the afternoon

there will be news, there will be three press conferences, the joint president of ukraine and switzerland, separately the president of switzerland, separately the president of ukraine, and this again shows that switzerland, it has its own rhetoric, and they they want, if only a little separately, perhaps to talk again about the fact that russia should be seated at the negotiating table next to ukraine, but tomorrow, that is, it will be, despite the fact that on the second day and a lower level representative will go to some leaders. but it will be a very, very interesting day, i hope that it will be possible to agree on exactly these issues, which state will lead which clause of the peace formula of ukraine. well, that means that, in principle , many of those who will speak at the summit today are just at the evening party today the plenary session, then it will be, as is often the case with work in working groups, right, yes, yes, yes, and actually, the communique, the final agreement, i... is based on these three less,

as it were, discussion points, yes , the points that everyone supports for all the good things against nuclear war, this communique is already practically ... its draft is already rolled out , if only commas and periods will be finalized tomorrow, but nevertheless, tomorrow there will be a lot of work as well from planning, what to do next, when to hold the second summit, at what stage to hold it, it is clear that the working groups will now meet after this summit, well, that is , it is very interesting, it is nice that this summit did not become like a firecracker that... burst, showed some picture and disappeared, that is, there is great hope that really this process will involve many states, dozens of states, which will continue to work on how to establish peace in ukraine, this is very important, it is actually a historical note, which we can even

say we did not expect. and can, for example, this final communique be radical changed as of tomorrow. and the second question, can there be states that, for example, in the final case will not sign, here is this last option? it's a very good question, it's really, it's just a great question, because really, you shouldn't expect that there will be 100 signatures by the number of delegations under this chimney. already today, even the ukrainian delegation is behind the scenes, communicating with a journalist. we said that the communique itself is open, which means that some states, if they want to sign, want to, but do not sign but also in the future some other states that are not currently participating in this process, or, for example, have not signed it now, they can sign it later, that is, it

will be such a document without a final dot, the number of signatures will vary over time, and indeed changes be included, but let's see what will happen tomorrow, because i don't have the text of the draft right now, let's see, and if we talk in principle about further intentions, you will think, it will be clear after this forum, when the next one will be held summit, in what format will the heads of state still meet? well, as i feel, that's the question. there will definitely not be an answer, because not so much has yet been communicated, all these participants of the new , this new, you can say the inaugural summit, as the ukrainian delegation calls it, by the way, this is the beginning, the first step, this is a new

initiative, and therefore it is unknown , when all the participants decide that they are ready to take the next step, or for example, will this road map be formulated before the second summit on... yes, based on all 10 points there will be already some kind of ready-made peace plan, which will already be presented in the mountains, will it be possible to have some intermediate summit, where three points will be discussed in detail today, three more points will be discussed at the next summit, they will decide on this tomorrow, including today, by the way, in closed meetings working group meetings. thank you tetyana, tetyana vysotska, correspondent of the express tv channel, just right. yes, yes, i say that we have almost, almost a pause, yes, mr. vitaly, you wanted to say something, and she is at the peace summit in burgtok, but we continue all these conversations, yes, we will continue the conversation in a few minutes after a short pause and the thoughts

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live, kamikaze drone attacks, political analysis, objectively and meaningfully, there is no political season, exclusive interviews, reports from the hottest points of the front, slobodala frankly and i'm not biased, you draw your own conclusions. we continue the saturday political club broadcast vitaly portnikov, well, we then have a practical hour to talk with mr. vitaliy, let's probably start with these statements of putin, which upset someone, someone accepted them with humor, someone says that it fueled him. there are different opinions, putin stated that he actually has his own demands, that he

rejects all the vision that ukraine has, that the civilized world has, putin says that ukraine should not become a member of nato, talks about the fact that five regions of our country should, in fact, even legally, according to international law, become parts. he did not say to russia what it was, according to international law, but he said that it is necessary to recognize, to recognize, we understand that recognize, we are talking about recognition, if recognition is recognition within the framework of international legal treaties or something established, well, less so, we well understand that putin does not have a special connection with or not, does not rely on legal facts, but less with what happened, i... think that everything is happening completely logically, it seems to me that we have already repeatedly talked about the fact that he

is trying to drive both russia and ukraine into such a legal trap, not for the first time. this legal trap is connected with the fact that in 2013 he started doing something he had never done before. that's it well, this is the development of political schizophrenia. in the 1990s, they simply detached parts of the territory from the former soviet republics and created quasi-regimes there. abkhazia, south ossetia, by the way, gauzia, which later agreed with the republic of moldova. so, by and large, it is absolutely obvious that they believed that this would be such an obvious proof of their influence in the post-soviet space. in 2008, they crossed a new rubicon: they recognized independence. and south ossetia, moreover then they said that this type was a response to

kosovo, but the west recognized the independence of kosovo, and they, although it was after the decision of the un international court of justice, after attempts at genocide, after ethnic cleansing, in abkhazia, south ossetia there was a slightly different ethnic cleansing, they expelled people of georgian ethnic origin, yes, but they recognized their independence, and this was the next stage, which absolutely does not allow to explain, but how the unreal relations between georgia and russia will be built. if russia recognizes the independence of the territories that georgia considers an integral part of their sovereign territory, well, but one way or another, they at least did not claim them. in 2014 , a new stage took place: the annexation of crimea, the joining of the territory of one state to another, and this, i would say, changes everything very seriously from the point of view of international law, because for the first time since the second world war in europe, one state annexed the territory of another state, well and in 2022, by and large, this

continued, because in ukraine there were two , so to speak, hybrid regimes of influence, annexed and occupied territory a territory that declared itself an independent state, but this independence is not recognized by russia itself, so to speak, all this is happening within the framework of the transnistrian scenario. in february 2022, putin decided to replace the transnistrian scenario with the abkhaz one, literally in a few months he replaced the abkhaz scenario with the crimean one. and now the question arises whether it is possible to find a political solution to these problems. in reality, no, and that is exactly what putin is trying to achieve. he clearly says that if we imagine the end of hostilities, then this is the end military actions should take place so that ukraine withdraws its troops from the occupied russian territory, which is schizophrenia, absolutely, but it is absolutely logical in his

mind and in his constitutional right. and note that i... always pay attention: russian propaganda always distinguishes between the conditional kharkiv and the conditional kherson. kharkiv is a ukrainian city. kherson is a city under the control of ukra-kiev. ugh. odessa is a ukrainian city, although they say all the time that odessa will be russian, but they will. ugh. and zaporizhzhia is a city under the control of the ukrainian regime. in explosions took place in russian-controlled zaporizhzhia, in controlled. not in ukraine. so, in principle, they have a clear understanding of where the state border of the russian federation is now, it passes along the administrative borders of the kherson zaporizhzhia, donetsk, and luhansk regions with ukraine. thus, no real

political settlement of the russian-ukrainian conflict is possible. because any president of the russian federation who follows putin's course will not be able to get his country out of the war with ukraine when this political solution would not have been sought. there can only be, conditionally speaking, a ceasefire between russia and ukraine. ugh. this is roughly how a cease-fire took place between israel and the arab countries in 1948 on the island of rhodes, and the first peace agreement, which in principle fixed, well, at least, i would say, the external border, was signed only almost 30 years later between israel and egypt, which means that it is necessary to prepare for a multi-year cease-fire agreement, which

will not guarantee anything to anyone and will pass on this the line where the troops will be. and you just have to understand that, no matter when this agreement is signed in the 25th, 35th, 40th, if the very essence of russian statehood does not change, it will only be a cease-fire agreement, which in the event of our non-admission to nato, will doom us to the next military conflict after a certain time, for this conflict it will be necessary to prepare from the first day after the ceasefire, not for peace, but for war. unfortunately,. it's unpleasant to say. can there be a legal solution? i can tell. the legal decision has not to be from our side, with russian. we are a country whose territory is recognized under international law. russia must absolutely clearly emphasize that the accession to it of the republic

of crimea, kherson, zaporizhzhia, luhansk, and donetsk regions contradicts the constitution. of the russian federation, that this accession took place in an illegal way, this should be the conclusion of the constitutional court of the russian federation, i mean after putin, that is , the president of the russian federation should turn to the constitutional court of the russian federation with the question of whether the accession of these territories to the russian federation took place in a legal manner, if the constitutional court... comes to the conclusion that it is not, then the president of the russian federation must address the federal assembly of the russian federation with a demand: to return the constitution of the russian federation in accordance with international obligations of the russian federation and the decision of the constitutional court of russia, it is possible

that an all-russian referendum will have to be held on this occasion. and don't you think that from the side of any russian kermanych, it will be a political shot in the head? we do not know what russia will look like in the future. ugh. i mean, if we are talking about russia, which wants to return to the civilized world. who wants to have normal relations with the west, who wants no sanctions against her, who wants her assets returned, well, that's all, if she wants all that, then it can be, if not, if you think, that this is a shot in the head, then in this way, you understand very well, andriy, that there are no legal grounds to believe that the russian federation will end the war with there is no such thing as a political ukraine. we can say: what if we agree? i think that many viewers are now saying: well , if they don’t agree, and they are a nuclear

state, they can grind us to powder, then maybe we should agree, god be with them in these kherson, zaporizhzhia, donetsk, and luhansk regions, let’s withdraw the troops from our territories, unoccupied, to take away people who want to leave there and stop the war, i will tell you what will happen on... the next day, the next day , russian troops will enter the territory the people of kharkiv will hold a referendum there, well, maybe the next day, in a month, uh, and they will demand from us, that is, this is a salami tactic, as soon as you agree to such an idea, you will simply be back under a simple pretext, now the kyiv regime is terrorizing the population of zaporozhye whether oblasts committed a terrorist act, you heard, putin ska. we didn't intend to capture kyiv, we just wanted to get there, that they stopped shelling donbas, logically, well, it could be in kharkiv oblast, kharkiv oblast, then poltava oblast, the question arises, where is this

will end, the offensive will be the last time the president of ukraine will sign an agreement in which he recognizes that the transcarpathian region is an integral part of the russian federation. will end, because simply not in a year and not in two, but in ten, ugh, that is, it is a direct road to the liquidation of ukrainian statehood, and to the transformation of citizens living on the territory of ukraine into citizens of the russian federation, into residents of russian regions, and this just acknowledging five subjects - this is the first step, the next ones will follow, remember how putin once told alexander lukashenko, when he discussed with him the unification into a union state, he says that...

what is happening, they are joining russia, we thought , that this is a joke, and this is exactly what territories are annexed to russia by regions, crimea, donetsk region, luhansk region, kherson region, zaporizhia region, they are not even ashamed, you know, of their constitution in general. the annexation of the territories of other states has not yet been foreseen, this is prohibited by the constitutional law of russia, and therefore, they are holding a referendum, which, by the way, contradicts the constitutional law of ukraine. let's say, you remember the last annexation, they proclaimed an independent state, zaporizhia oblast, they didn't even start the people's republic to invent why this independent state, zaporizhia oblast, as well as the independent state of kherson oblast were. unification with the russian federation as a state, well, yes, you know, you can declare any district within ukraine a state and join it, which, which matters, the district, this

district, the city, whatever you want, it’s simple, to things, the city, the city-state of sevastopol, was annexed to the russian federation as a state, and this is not a joke, this is a legal document, the constitutional court of the russian federation. the accession of the state of sevastopol to russia was approved, there was such a state for a few days, and that state, as you remember, did not even have a leader, the document with putin on the accession of the state of sevastopol to the russian federation was signed by the people's mayor of sevastopol named chala, whose surname it was simply shouted at a rally, no one even elected him mayor, imagine a person who just walked into the city hall from the street. took some documents and went to sign an agreement with the president of some other country on the annexation of the city, you can imagine the level of arrogance in general, but they ... do it, so

what he says, i think it's even more important than anything another, because you know, you can discuss any changes in the constitution and laws at any peace conference, we want you to change such laws, and we want you to change such laws, you... you have to change your such texts in such articles, because us worries about the rights of national minorities in your territory, well, how does hungary do it, we are worried about the rights of transcarpathian hungarians, we want you to change this and that, but imagine that hungary, you say, you know, but we need to be the european integration of ukraine, let's join

berehiv district to horshchyna, well, this is our request... you admit that the territory of hungary, the same thing will not occur to anyone, however, not even to any hungarian prime minister, and if it occurs, it will be the last day of stay of this prime minister in the european union, in nato, everything will end in a few days, here we are not just talking about neutral status, about the demilitarization of the country, about... such things, which are also absolutely impudence, but together with this they can look like topics for negotiations, because we can demand from russia the same demilitarization of, say, russian-ukrainian borders, etc., neutral status of belarus, that is, no one said that these conditions of ours will be fulfilled, but this is what diplomats discuss at conferences. but

when it comes to the territory of another state, all negotiations end immediately, by the way, notice how the text of this agreement, which was discussed in istanbul in 2022, looked like, there the occupied territories were removed from the scope of this agreement, there are special articles where it is written that in crimea there is some other the scope of the articles of such, such, such, such, such does not spread, that is, even there it was clear. putin, that no one will recognize the russian status of the territories of ukraine, here he decided to go even further. this suggests that he is not going to conduct any battles. that is, russia, now we are talking in the context of summits, in the context of meetings, in the context of possible communiques. this means that russia

will not participate in any... peace conferences, well, it can take, if, and if it takes, then according to this one, they say, as they say, the result will be the same, well, of course, they don’t, they , they can come with putin's program, if they believe that they do not have the military power to seize these territories and others, they can consider as a compromise the cessation of the ... which i told you, the ceasefire on the line of contact of the parties, here we are, let's say, in zaporizhzhia, they are in melitopol, we are in kherson, they are in novaya kakhovka, a ceasefire, everything, while they will continue to consider zaporizhzhia and kherson as russian cities occupied by ukraine, and we will, of course, consider , all these regions that will be, that will be located on ukrainian land occupied by the russians,

but... it's simple, i'm saying, this is the logic of the middle east conflict, why can't it be resolved? because, let's say, there, mainly the idea of ​​the palestinian movement, and this brings it closer to russia, is not the denial of israel's right to exist. you can sit down, as it has happened a million times, draw some maps, do something there, there will be so much here, there will be so much here, there will be such control, here there will be all kinds of control, later. a simple thing is proposed, let's you recognize israel's right to exist, well , no one of the so-called peaceful palestinian population will vote for such a political force, it will lose the elections, and therefore how to solve it, no way, just strive ceasefire, which is now taking place in the near future, but don't you think that putin is actually trying to make it happen with such statements...