protection, and accordingly we would save more lives. the protection of the ukrainian sky is one of the topics that the conference participants constantly refer to, and they remind the ukrainian government's request to hand over the f-16 aircraft to us as soon as possible. meanwhile, interaction in this direction should be comprehensive - says retired general frank helmick, former commander of the 18th airborne corps and the last commander of us forces in iraq. when you hear the f-16, you say, "wow." it really is a game changer, but what you get ukrainians, this is not a change in the rules. they're getting planes that are 30 years old, that don't have radars, that are covered in rust, so we have to equip them, figure out how to get them to ukraine, and train the technicians, where we're going to get the repair parts, how we're going to protect these planes from russian strikes , we should help ukraine in this matter. vadym bartkov, the company's marketing director. develops reconnaissance drones,

in addition to the company's achievements , the leleka 100 drone is unique and the largest in ukraine. almost 50% of all reconnaissance missions in the field it is this bird that performs the fight. the company is presented for the first time in washington and vadim expects to find partners to make a technological breakthrough. you need our experience, we need your money, that is, you have financing, you have this opportunity, finance our ukrainian rental. so that we already understand today what will happen in the future, yes, i can say right now, and maybe this is the main thing to say, there are two strategies, the first strategy is intersystems, it is just now starting to be developed among drones, intersystem, and we are also engaged in this, and the second is artificial intelligence, if we combine it, maybe it will give some influence, according to the participants of the conference, modern armed conflicts in... the world and in ukraine, in particular,

have long since turned into r&d wars , research and development competition, and it is drones that play an important role in this. the number of technological changes, the use of unmanned aerial vehicles, fpv, indicate that reality has changed a lot. everything we see in ukraine is significantly different from the experience we had in iraq. you have to retrain, but you have to understand that you have... the right to any weapon, as long as it is effective. ff is a very important part of the war in conditions when ukraine lacks rockets, mortars and other weapons. and it is good that ukraine produces drones independently. financing of the defense industry of our country is possible not only through cooperation with powerful american corporations. in particular, funds seized from the aggressor states within the framework of sanctions imposed by the international community can be used for this. about them on

vladyslav vlasyuk, adviser to the head of the office of the president of ukraine andriy yermak, told the defense conference in washington. two years ago, after a full-scale invasion, we saw how many challenges ukraine faced. andriy yermak and former us ambassador to russia michael mcfaul headed the international group on sanctions against the russian federation. we meet with international experts, successfully develop criteria and recommendations. to transfer them to the relevant authorities and confiscate the assets included in these sanctions. during the g7 meeting, this will be one of the topics. we hope that there will be a strong decision regarding the confiscation of russian assets in favor of ukraine. the statements made at the conference clearly indicate that us arms corporations are very interested in cooperation with ukraine. joint production will not only be able to strengthen the positions of both countries in the world market. weapons, but also to move other

players from it, who in particular provide support to the russian federation, and most importantly, instead of changing the rules of the game on battlefield, innovation must eventually end this war. we, the early spacex engineering team. i have a background in building rockets and have spent most of my time trying to install hardware on the surface of mars. i am well aware of the cost of human lives due to the fact that certain systems were not delivered to ukraine. innovation is very important, and i would like to convince all americans in this hall that we should be together with ukrainians. we have all the necessary tools to solve this problem so that to stop the bloodshed in ukraine, and i urge everyone to do it. in general, decisive and convincing statements in support of ukrainian manufacturers and the indomitable ukrainian people were heard from each of the hundreds of participants who took part in the conference. and most importantly, its

result was not only discussions and passionate speeches, but also concrete agreements, said the director of the ukrainian armored vehicles company, vladyslav belbas. the density of business meetings here with... much more than at some exhibition events of profile, defense, and well, such a sincere interest in level of representation at this event, it is the senior management of international corporations, large american corporations, therefore , of course, the agreements reached at this level are executed and implemented quickly. firstly, secondly, we already have certain agreements regarding the further implementation of defense projects with ukraine, including with our company. summing up the event, which is important for the domestic defense industry, the deputy chairman of naodi, serhiy vysotskyi, expressed his belief that

joint initiatives with the americans will strengthen our defense capability and weapons will be made more effective, while ukrainian products will become more competitive on foreign markets. in this hall were representatives of the state department of the us ministry of defense, the us national security council, numerous opinion leaders, experts, and here are the things that we formulated, discussed today about the need for greater cooperation of our defense industries, about the need to move from the principles of yes to this financing, in general, to the development of specific industrial programs that can to be financed for the purchase of specifically ukrainian weapons in ukraine at international expense, and of course, the national association of defense sector enterprises, naudi, will continue to do this, will continue to organize similar events so that ukraine can win this war. organizers

emphasize the importance of our state's continued presence in the focus of attention of american political and business elites, so they plan to hold the washington freedom summit every year, increase. international investments and the exchange of the latest technologies should help ukraine defeat the enemy and make our country one of the leaders in arms production in the world. tatyana shustrova, dmytro kaplonskyi from washington for the espresso tv channel.

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the espresso tv channel, vitaly portnikov is with you, two hours of conversations about what happened this week, about the prospects for the next one with our experts and my first interlocutor mykhailo samos, an expert, director of the new geopolitical research network, expert of the army research center, conversion and disarmament, i congratulate mr. mykhailo, i congratulate you, well, then, let's start with such an important topic as the security agreement between ukraine and the united states, which in principle actually provides ukraine, even on the condition that it is not an intergovernmental agreement that is ratified by parliaments, and the agreement is largely at the level of governments. in fact, i would say that the signing of such agreements, it forms a club of countries that commit themselves, in principle, it is possible to say such a word, commit themselves, in any case, at the moment, multilaterally, comprehensively, i would say, in english language comprehensive, to help ukraine, to help

ukraine, just oppose to oppose in the war against russia and call a spade a spade, that is, we are talking about military aid. about military-technical assistance, defense-industrial cooperation, and, in principle, military-political assistance, that is , the leaders of these countries with which we sign security agreements, they do not shy away. to call a spade a spade, putin is an aggressor and so on. that is, when we talk about the peace forum, the number of participants is much larger, but not all countries are ready, well actually stand with us in the war against russia, just the signing of security agreements, especially by the united states, this is extremely important from those components that i mentioned, the united states is the leader of the western world, if ... the western world still exists, these are philosophical questions, but on the other hand, it was precisely from

the united states that we expected, perhaps the first signal, when these processes of formulation were just beginning, what is this security agreement in the situation or in the realities, when, well , if we speak realistically, we will not join nato until we are at war with russia, it is obvious we are constantly told about this openly in principle and... the summit that will be held in washington in july, it is now clearly clear that there will be no further invitations or promotions of ukraine to nato membership, and in these conditions it is really important to have such security agreements, which of course should not be confused with nato, this is absolutely not the same level, and even more so, today i saw sullivan himself frankly say that the next president of the united states can really just tear it up and... in fact, this agreement is still valid with president biden in power, there will be more

to be reviewed, and this agreement and other approaches to relations between the united states and ukraine. and in principle, if we talk about the determination of the united states regarding military aid to ukraine, regarding permits to strike on russian territory, can we say that there have been some serious changes in the situation now? to be honest, no, well, that is, if... if there were serious changes, then it could be said that the united states began to transfer to us everything that it has, in principle, so there was just a plot, and the president biden said, we will transmit everything that yes, but i'm sorry, we know how many are in the warehouses of the united states, at the bases for storing aircraft, tanks, armored vehicles and so on, there are thousands of units of all the mentioned types of weapons and military equipment. they give us there, well, for example, 31 abrams tanks, or they give us one

complex of patriots there, well, somehow it does not coincide with the fact that we will give everything that we have, and at the same time we are given, well, units, and we still remember half a year of turbulence in the congress, when nothing was handed over to us at all, and it really was, well, you can to talk about various conspiracy theories, but it looked like this, well, almost... well, as a passport to putin, look, you now have a chance to change the situation, if you force ukraine to capitulate, then we will solve it somehow already under different conditions , but ukraine continues to fight, and it is very interesting here, when they again say whether the united states is really helping us to the end, i am not talking about the conduct of troops or the participation of the american military, but if we compare what is happening in russia, then russia really already... almost exhausted warehouses and storage bases, they are now sending

te-62s into the fiercest battles in the kharkiv direction, almost without any modernization, that is, these are old tanks that they have almost completely looted their bases, there are thousands of such tanks in the state combinations, not such, or rather, much more modern , and if the united states treated us finally as an ally, they would have to hand over to us hundreds of such tanks, which... which would quickly begin to change the situation on the battlefield, due to simply, not even simply asymmetry, simply symmetry with russia, unfortunately, is like that symmetry is not yet observed. and by the way, when you say that russia has almost exhausted its reserves and has no weapons, why do our politicians scare the west from time to time by saying that if russia defeats ukraine, it will go further to the west, when you yourself say, to the countries nato members have huge arsenals, and russia is already on the way. until the depletion of resources only with the war with ukraine, then how to fight with other countries and the warehouses are depleted, yes

the warehouses are exhausted, but first of all they have production, so it is small, well, close 150-200 tanks per year, for example, by today's standards, this is nothing at all, but in fact, when i say that the warehouses are exhausted, they still have equipment, and they use equipment that ukraine, for example, on the battlefield damages, it again repairs, restores. modernizes and sends to the battlefield, in addition, they still hope to uncover the arsenals of, let's say, their allies, this is north korea. maybe china, maybe iran, which can help with certain types of weapons, well, in principle, putin is constantly talking about some kind of peace negotiations whether the conflicts will freeze or not, he calls it differently, but obviously he needs a pause in order to release new equipment and create a new fist to attack

ukraine, obviously they are not in the best situation and somewhere in the 25th year they ... there may be a shortage of armored vehicles, you can feel it even now, when they go to attack on motorcycles or on some buggies, golf carts and so on, that means that they really have problems with armored vehicles, and with regard to our allies, i was just talking about the united states states, our european allies don't have a lot of technology, and that's obvious, and that 's why when you say that our european allies have to prepare for war, it's true because... they're completely unprepared when we talk about the united states is another matter, but again, no one knows how the united states will behave in terms of its alliance commitments, not only to ukraine, but to its nato allies, after the elections later this year. and how it turned out that europeans have so little ordinary technology, what

happened to it all these decades? well, you remember, 30 years ago, the wall fell, everyone was there. very romanticized peace forever from portugal to vladivostok and so on, i.e. there were a lot of naive thoughts, ideas, nato generally lost itself a little in a certain way, on the eve of 2010, for example, they did not know what to do at all, i.e. they had a certain period the fight against terrorism, but in 2010, especially in europe, their budgets simply began to fall or... it was simply unprofitable for politicians to speak up even not that defense, security, and well, in countries like slovakia, hungary, the czech republic, defense budgets fell by 40% annually in 2010-12, that is, it was simply cleaned out, well , in germany in general at that time, in fact, the army was more like that symbolic, and we

now clearly see that there are very few serviceable tanks, few personnel, few planes, and so on. and this is germany, but what about other countries, spain or the same portugal, which i already mentioned in another context, well, that is, for 30 years europe was preparing for peace, and even, i remember very cool expression, the european armies are preparing for peace, not for war, and this was their credo, which they successfully implemented, but in fact now they are in a very difficult and difficult position, well, i understand that it is all now in an emergency way revised, changed... laws, even the terms of military service are changing and the approach to military service is changing even in countries like germany, but now it is happening, of course, well, this new law, where will they be under martial law to be mobilized at the age of 18, well, they don’t mobilize for military service there, but they are subject to mobilization for both labor and military service from the age of 18, and well, with the germans, i think that everything will be

much tougher than in ukraine and more clearly there, the dodgers will not feel that way, somewhere they will not cross a river to france there, but i think that such processes, they are going on all over europe, everyone actually understands that ukraine has faced, ukraine, as a democratic european state, has faced a huge challenge, if we are talking about mobilization, precisely about those formats when society, european society in the 21st century has a decisive role. to solve such a difficult task, when you just go and die on the battlefield, it is, well, i talk to europeans, they say that in our country in general there can be a disaster, that is , surveys were conducted in the same germany, it seems 20%, and in the czech republic, 20% are ready to go to war, but imagine when mobilization will be announced, what these

conflicts might be, which of course russia will use, in general, really avalo now... the production of defense by the defense industry is also growing, we know not only munitions, and missile programs are being implemented there, the same thing, rheinmetall, for example, is increasing production of tanks and armored vehicles, the french, the netherlands and so on are trying to do the same, well, that is, the only , that indeed it will be very difficult for europeans to implement any concepts or doctrines without the united states. from conducting a strategic defense operation against russia, therefore, in fact , ukraine is now performing an extremely important task role, gaining time, including for europe, for in order that they really. the regime at least tried to prepare, especially if the new president of the united states says that we are leaving a nuclear umbrella over you, and sorry, the russian-ukrainian

war is our problem in general, we are dealing with china, we have other problems, so please , you are rich countries, as trump always says, for example, you have a lot of money, pay for your defense and good luck, well, from this point of view, it turns out that the west may be interested in ukraine not the war was lost. continued, but did not end, because it weakens russia and drags out time, well, of course, if we look at how the war will end, of course we, if we look at the real situation, of course we why end it then, well, it is possible not to end it, in such options, well, first of all, after all, europe pays, well, they pay at least in money, finally there are certain funds that will now be in nato, the european union, including this one, but the trick, i would so called, frozen russian assets, after all, europe, in that including not only the united states, europe also provides us with economic stability, well, in principle, military and economic stability, because

obviously without our european allies we would not be able to fight, but of course you can find motives that are super strategic, what if ukraine will continue to wage a war of attrition with russia, then somewhere at some point... russia simply will not be able to continue this war, and in this way it will be possible to simply, i don't know , throw it somewhere in the middle ages and then try to solve this русский вопрос, in a mild way without causing some kind of chaos that can hit europe, still more predictable, but on the other hand, well, in principle, i don't think that the majority of even european politicians, politicians... would like to fight there 10 or 20 years, still they have a need to move on to more common problems in their political life,

especially if you look at the processes and trends that are happening in europe and the united states, i.e. right-leaning, leaning on conservatism, this means that those politicians who they are talking to us now, they are losing influence precisely because the war is not theirs, er... let's put it this way, not only not theirs, it is an uncomfortable topic that does not give them dividends in the elections, but the right plays absolutely on this, on the contrary, they play on this topic and get more and more seats in the parliaments and governments of various countries, well , because people are afraid of war, obviously, yes, especially in europe, in europe people have been pacified for 30 years, and now trying to prove. that war is normal, that you have to join the army, that you have to clean your weapons, that it is necessary to produce shells, in germany, for example, perhaps you know that there were

cases when communities forbade the construction of weapons, ammunition factories on their territory, although from a pragmatic point of view these are taxes, these are new jobs, but in fact pacifism , it has sunk deep into europe and that's normal for the 21st century, anyway we're in the 90s... the 20th century thought it was normal when the wall came down and there would be no more wars, turns out we were very wrong, well , it is also difficult for europeans to realize now. thank you, mr. mykhailo, mykhailo samos, a military expert, the director of new geo , a newtwork politician, an expert at the army, conversion and disarmament research center was in touch with us. we are going to take a short break now, but please stay with us, there are some interesting dialogues ahead. an unusual look at the news. good health ma'am. my name is mykola veresen. sharp presentation of facts and competent opinions. and in america they also say, let's have better roads, we will have even better ones. a special look at the events in ukraine,

there will be some katsaps on the border of kyiv and beyond. what a world he dreams of, mr. norman, we can imagine. all this in an informational marathon with mykola veresny. saturday 17:10, sunday 18:15 at espresso. we continue the political club program on the espresso tv channel. oleksandr kraev, expert of the foreign policy council, ukrainian prism is in touch with us. congratulations mr. oleksandr. yes, congratulations, good evening to you. well, the summit in switzerland is over, the communique has been signed. president zelenskyy says that a new summit may be held in a few months, and at this summit there will already be russia, and the road to peace will be paved there, but after such statements, the question arises: how, in what way, what, technically, has changed from before. statesmen to this truly representative summit in switzerland, which makes it possible to believe that russia will come somewhere, agree to some negotiations and end the war, well, in fact, there are no

adequate ... reasons to believe this, except that the bar for entering this summit has been set so low that almost anyone could join him, because on the issue of nuclear security, the issue of prisoner exchange, the issue of food security, these are precisely those three topics that interested everyone as much as possible, and we saw a rather significant outflow of people after the final communiqué was nevertheless rearranged so that there was a mention of respect for territorial integrity and borders of the 91st year. that is , russia initially, it is worth reminding our viewers, wanted to involve russia after a working group was set up for each of the nine points, and as soon as these nine working groups could come to an understanding of how to arrange the 10th point , i.e. documentary confirmation, the end of aggression and the impossibility of repeating such aggression, and only at this point it was planned to involve russian representatives, conditionally speaking, putting them in front of the fact, which fact we now

want to... put the russians in front of, i personally have the answers to this question no, but really, if we want to have negotiations with them so quickly, if we want to have a second summit quickly enough, then by that time we need to have time not only to pass these three points, but to actually fulfill 90% of the agenda, which it just doesn't seem possible to me, well, even if 90% were thrown out on the agenda, why shouldn't the russian federation ignore 90%, as it will now ignore 30. that's a good question, and really, the only safeguard that could to force russia to react in any way was china. and in fact, at the very beginning, as you remember, even during the meeting of advisers in jeddah, even during the meeting of advisers in malta, china showed some interest, and the presence of the chinese in jeddah, in principle, at that time still gave us hope that in fact, anything is possible to return to the right side, and china will involve the countries of the global south more actively, and there was a belief that only the presence of china and its setting for some kind of dialogue

will force... russia to come to an agreement at a certain point, however, after scholz's visit to china, when china has announced its so-called four points, now that china was not at the summit, i personally do not see what can make russia look differently at the results of the meeting in switzerland, especially considering what putin said the other day, that this is all profanation, this is an attempt to undermine russian-chinese unity, this is an attempt to generally aggress against russia from, as he said there, the western hosts of ukraine. his favorite wording, that is, how do we want, at the expense of what will involve russia in the second summit, i repeat, i simply have no idea, but if we really want to, then we need to work, at least to fulfill what was planned before this, but maybe the chinese representative lihui was at a meeting of advisers on national security issues in djedza, maybe he just thought that it was ukraine that would be ready to change its position, accept these conditions, which offers china, there is freezing, cooling,

the absence of... the absence of any guarantees, neutral status, and then it is possible that china will facilitate such a conversation, well, they saw that there is no such thing, that ukraine continues to remain in its position, they lost interest, absolutely , and the statement of our ministry of foreign affairs did not even help, saying that there are points in the chinese formula that agree with our vision and we need to talk further, in fact, the most important question for me in general, as it seems to me, arises now in this equation between its own formula. of china, china's attitude towards our western vision and china's attitude towards the russian vision, because these are three completely different approaches, and although the russian approach appeals a little to what the chinese were talking about, it is much more radical, and so far realistic we have not heard or seen the position of beijing regarding the russian plan, and therefore we cannot understand whether china will be ready to work with us more, whether china will be ready to fully support the russian position, although

now we see that in terms of the supply of... arms, that china is possible and ready to support the tacit russian position, or whether china will push the same china-brazil initiative that they wanted to do in the format of a bilateral summit between ukraine and russia in saudi arabia. while china's position remains unclear for us, until it is clear what interests it will pursue from these three parallel formats, i can only wonder what we should really bet on, perhaps that we are promoting the continuation of the peace formula. the second summit as soon as possible, the involvement of russia as soon as possible, that's right and an attempt to show china that our plan is the only one that is moving forward, is the only one that has at least some perspective, or maybe china is interested in such a solution as just a ceasefire, they don’t want anything, they don’t say anything, let’s let's decide so and so, there recognize donbas as russian, or let russia agree that you join nato, you will become neutral, or russia there, let it agree that your territorial integrity

will be... ensured by your demili.