vasyl zema, a project for smart and caring people, in the evening for espresso. every week , the saturday political club helps to understand the processes taking place in ukraine and the world. vitaly portnikov, khrystyna yatskiv and invited experts based on facts give their assessment and forecast of the development of events. if you want to understand how our today will affect our tomorrow, watch saturday's political club. every saturday at espresso. you donate and watch, you watch and donate, our defenders thank you, while we continue to communicate with our guests, dr. of historical sciences, head of the committee of voters of ukraine oleksiy koshel in communication with our studio. mr. oleksiy, we congratulate you. so. we

're making contact, and i actually am while we have a moment. a wonderful story that touched me very much. we know that foreign volunteers are also fighting in ukraine, specifically volunteers who volunteered, and there was a swiss man who fought in ukraine for two years, for ukraine, for our independence, for our territories, but now he has returned to switzerland and now he there is a threat of prison there. what is the story? hello, swiss legislation forbids the swiss to fight in other countries, even as volunteers, but they can't, that's all. why did this man surrender? in this way, he wants to draw even more attention to ukraine, to the problem of protecting ukraine, to the fact that we need support, in fact he says: "i am ready to sit down and play so that it becomes easier for ukraine." we would have more such swiss, maybe then we would have more weapons. there is already a name. oleksiy koshel,

head of the committee of voters of ukraine is with us, mr. oleksiy, congratulations, good morning, how are you chairman of the committee of voters of ukraine, how do you know that there is no smell of elections in ukraine, but where there is a storm, it is in the elections in the usa, and while all these events are happening in our country, we are already in that election campaign, which is shaking whole by the united states of america, heard two clear statements. candidate, oops, we lost again in my opinion, does mr. oleksii hear us? yes, i hear, yes, mr. oleksiy, yes , the presidential candidate said that it was wrong that the congress and the senate voted to give aid to ukraine, and the second thing he said is that as soon as he is elected, and if he wins, then not even yet, not being the inaugurated president, but will only be the president-elect, he will cancel everything. all the aid

to ukraine, this is an election campaign, you know, actually, actually, in my opinion, it's not so bad, that is, the topic of ukraine, the topic of the war with russia, is becoming one of the key topics of the election campaigns, that is, i'm not saying that it will be more important, than the issue of the border with mexico, there really is a problem there, and the biggest problem in recent decades, no more important than the rise in food prices, for gasoline, but the topic will be one of the key why this for us... it is important, because it means that the topics of ukraine will not be used exclusively in the format of election slogans, in fact specifics will appear, concrete actions will appear, that is , we can already see that trump from his side, well, he already is moving away from this general slogan that i will solve the war in 24 hours, is starting to be at least a little more specific, as is his team. biden is exactly the same, he, i think, will try to strengthen. ukraine

to show a concrete result in any form. that is, biden needs them election results. and that's why it's not so bad for us. the more actively the theme of supporting ukraine is used in the elections, the more results we can get. this is actually because we are used to the fact that when trump says something, it is not always worth taking it seriously. it is not always worth understanding that this is how it will happen. sometimes, as many experts will say, trump is not alone. he himself does not always know what he is saying, and tomorrow he may say the opposite. after all, we often observe this. do you think it can't be done? be actually one of those moments, or can this rhetoric be consistent that time? well, unlike ukrainian politicians who say one thing in the elections, in reality they become their opposite. well, americans, american politics, european politics, they live by different rules. that is, people are responsible.

for their words, because it is not specifically about trump, about biden, it is about huge teams of democrats and republicans, it is about political traditions, and therefore from their words... politicians do not turn away, they do not turn away, but why am i so optimistic about the use of such a ukrainian theme in the american elections, actually i proceed from the fact that according to the latest polls, at least from what i have seen, the difference between trump and biden today is within the sociological margin of error, i.e. the ukrainian topic can play a certain role, and therefore we have hope that, on the one hand, the next peace summit is planned before the day of voting in the united states, and as the elections approach , this one will be more relevant, on the one hand, on the on the other hand, i think that both biden and trump, they will want to show, show some effectiveness, or specifics in their

statements, maybe come up with certain plans, on the one hand, or on the other hand, this could mean much greater pluses for ukraine in the form of finance, in the form of a fee. under this peace summit, the new york times publishes the text of the peace treaty between russia and ukraine, which we talked about back in march of 2022, a few months ago this information appeared again, and we discussed the fact that ukraine almost i owe everything to confess, to recognize the occupation of crimea, demilitarization, that is, such a step so that russia could continue its expansion and occupation the next day. of our lands, why is it now appearing again, why is the new york times publishing it now, and does this story even have a chance to continue, the world is considering the serious possibility of such a document, it is now impossible to assume that there was a peaceful plan, and i am convinced that

the war will end, we will still have tens of years of conspiratorial versions, which were considered in march, in april of the 22nd year, because we know that these plans were... there were many , many drafts, which draft stopped at which stage, it is not known, that is, it is a plan with many unknowns, i assume that on journalists of authority western publications can also be influenced in a certain way, well, all living people, someone has personal sympathies, someone has family members there have personal sympathies, why did they print this peace plan right now, well, i think this is also the answer of russia, because ... putin in the last, well, at least april, may is approaching of the peace summit, the topic of speculation around the peace plan was very active, but russia voiced the details, the details, everything came down to the key thesis: the ukrainians did not want, that is

, everything was very good, there was a great compromise, putin withdrew his troops, the ukrainians did not want, here they showed more a real picture of who was really to blame for the breakdown. possible peace agreements in the spring of 22, but this topic will be unknown to many, and actually here is another interesting point that we do not pay attention to, why these speculations became possible, because there are a lot of people who speak on behalf of the authorities, i think that the bank should just slap their hands a little, and in order for them to talk less about certain topics, in the last six months i have at least seen three statements: one statement by davyd arahamia, the leader of the pro-presidential majority in the parliament, the second statement by mr. chaly, i mean, a member of the negotiation group in istanbul, a diplomat, and the third statement, excuse the words of aristovych, but he was also part of

the negotiating team then groups, all three said roughly the same, we came close to negotiations that are quite beneficial for ukraine, and therefore i think that these people... who took part in the minsk group, i'm sorry, in the minsk group, in the istanbul group, it would be better for them to remain silent during war ugh. these are their revelations, i'm sorry, no one needs them, and they may have given rise to large-scale speculation on the part of russia, they say, there was a profitable plan, why didn't the ukrainians agree. well, then, if we take that into account, and now pay attention, that was announced, we have already mentioned, yes, the second stage of the peace summit and... it is being adjusted for a few months in order to have time for the american elections, nothing indicates that the position of the kremlin and putin personally will change in those couple of months. moreover, his director of the foreign intelligence service,

naryshkin, even said that if putin's proposal is rejected, the following peace terms will be tougher for ukraine. they have such a line. now, when we look at what we have a fit. the second summit, at which russia should be, is because they are afraid that it might to win trump, or because of what, well, let's say this, well, and the first factor of the american elections, you know, it's like a weather forecast, on which many european politicians and european governments compare their views, that is, it will still be a decisive choice not only for the united states states, as well as for the east. the second question, i think that this is not ukrainian rhetoric, it is the rhetoric of a collective event, that a concrete summit with concrete results can be held in a few months. it is quite difficult to say what they are counting on, because there is a certain one here

military logic, which i'm not ready to comment on, it's about new types of weapons, it's about weapons, about shells, about f-16, about many other things, i don't know if it will make it possible to break the war, but at least it will make it possible to make vulnerable crimea, unlike now, is extremely vulnerable, perhaps this is a serious threat to the crimean bridge. possibly for a land corridor connecting crimea with russia, and many other things. that is, i think that the first military logic is present here, and the second political logic is the logic of sanctions, because excuse me, on the one hand there is putin's bravado, but now they have declared a claim to odesa, there through the mouth of medvedchuk, we understand that this is ridiculous, that it is just propaganda that works, because after the failure near kharkov, and there it is catastrophic. the failure of russia in terms of the number of dead, about which odessa can be talked about,

after the black sea fleet, or rather, the remnants of the russian black sea fleet , became extremely vulnerable, about which odessa can be talked about, and even more so, even russia's plan for gagauzia simply from with a bang failed, there i will remind you that this is the south, the south, the south, several southern regions of moldova, which border odesa, including, and there russia included a large-scale plan. bribery for 150,000 residents of gagauzia, they promised monthly extra payments of €100 to each pensioner and civil servant. 25 thousand people. but the united states imposed sanctions on the relevant bank, and now russia simply cannot apply this scheme. it turned out to be unrealistic. therefore, failure after failure in russia. and i think that after the events in moscow the stock exchange, when... collapsed like this, we see, but

we do not fully hear mr. oleksiy, but we can continue our opinion, because as of yesterday evening, the exchange rate of the wooden ruble for the dollar was already more than 174 rubles for 1 dollar, and we will be in touch, mr. oleksiy, please continue, continue, our connection was lost at the moscow stock exchange. well, these were extremely pleasant stories for us, that is, in one day there were close to 200 or even more than 200, it was a big failure, that is, on the one hand , russia laughs at the sanctions, talks about that the sanctions make us stronger, we are reorienting our economy, on the other hand, they perfectly understand that they are giving entire sectors of the economy to china, but i will simply quote the words of russian prime minister mishustin, who was at the exhibition, of new models of automobile construction, when they presented the updated volga, and

mishustin said one single phrase, he says, the steering wheel could have been russian, or even the steering wheel should be chinese -made, it gets ridiculous that even the very volga and moskvich badges, i have on mind the badges that are on the hood of cars, they are made in china, that is, they are simply merging entire industries today, and putin perfectly understands that sanctions will be applied to... here he saw the reality that the moscow stock exchange, that is, in fact, in the united states, there are miraculous buttons , which can collapse the ruble, which can influence, and i think that the west now understands its big problem, that if in march, april, may of the 22nd year they applied all possible sanctions, well, sorry, the war could already it would be over a long time ago fewer victims. there would be less destruction and everything else, so obviously

there are a lot of important things left in reserve, in the reserve of strength of the collective measure, which can affect the russian economy, so putin feels it, and pay attention, the panic really started, they even included medvedchuk with threats, that is, we will still see a lot of interesting things and changes that may precede this autumn summit, and many unknowns in this equation may... become known and not in favor of the kremlin. mr. oleksiy, thank you for participating in our program. a doctor of historical sciences and the head of the committee of voters of ukraine was with us, and in fact, he is saying the same thing now. stoltenberg, saying that the restrictions are slowly being lifted, this is about limiting the approach, the fact that it is possible to destroy the installations from which kharkiv is shelled and destroy their weapons and their military facilities on the territory of russia, so we are actually moving in the right direction, and our next guest, an analyst of the chesno movement, sofiya lazarova, mrs.

sofiya, is in touch with us now, we welcome you, congratulations, we know that you carried out... analysis, research and monitoring, found out that among the hearings there is the largest percentage of deputies who return funds from the budget for housing rent, receive compensation, yes compensation, because they live in other regions, or for some other reason, and need such compensation, here is such a schedule, you can actually see what this research looks like, if you want to consider it. in more detail, you can always see it on the website of the chesno movement. please comment, ms. sofia, why do you think it happens that these people's deputies are like this do they need that help from the servants of the people? do they suffer? yes, well, the movement honestly, the movement honestly analyzed which of the people’s deputies took compensation for housing in the last 2.5 years from

the beginning of the full-scale invasion in 2022, the 23rd and the first four months of the 24th year, and in total, the people’s deputies took a total of 64 uah 5 million from the state budget for compensation for renting a house or taking a hotel room, according to the law they have the right to this, it is provided for by the law on the status of a people's deputy, and in fact 160 people's deputies have used this right in total over these 2.5 years, and indeed , the people's deputies from the servant of the people used this right most actively. as was seen on the graphs, which showed the actual percentage, more than 70% of the compensation was received by people's deputies from the people's servants, despite the fact that in the verkhovna rada there are approximately 58% of them, that is , they used this right somewhat more actively than their colleagues from other factions and groups, as our analysis shows, yes, but there may be reasons for this,

mrs. sofia, you said it yourself, everything is within the framework of the law, that is, why did you investigate it then, if everything is legally compensated from the budget, so we were interested in the topic of spending budget funds during a full-scale invasion, even if it is legal, monitoring the spending of budget funds, it should be from various aspects, including how money is spent on compensation, because we discovered , for example, an interesting thing, they also analyzed the declarations of people's deputies, their property... and among those who receive compensation, there are also people's deputies who declare hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash savings, who declare new cars, expensive jewelry, some luxury clothes brands, and it simply raises such an extended question whether the legislation on compensation in the form

it currently exists is appropriate or relevant now, when during the war people's deputies who declare that enough is enough. what is the state of property, at the same time taking compensation from the state budget for housing, because we have repeatedly written that this procedure and this mechanism need improvement, but when you publish these studies and figures, do you get contacted by the zk, because it is their direct function of the national agency for the prevention of corruption, which would say: give us these figures, we will check how legal this enrichment and purchase of expensive things is. the way things are, well, actually the nsc monitors the lifestyle of people's deputies, and the compensation mechanism, at the moment it provides for only one limitation, it does not concern the wealth of the people's deputy, that he does not have his own home in the capital, or does not have a residence permit in the capital or in in a 30-kilometer radius around kyiv, and in the previous

convocation we recorded such violations, and just last week there was news that... sab reported the suspicion to the former to the people's deputy of the last convocation about receiving illegal compensation, because the people's deputy received 5 years of compensation according to the version of the investigation and at the same time hid the presence of his own apartment in kyiv. according to the monitoring of the people's deputies in this convocation, at least none of the people's deputies who are compensating do not have their own housing in the capital, so we did not record such a violation in this convocation. you just mentioned that. that the legislation exists, everyone uses it, we understand that now among the deputies there are a large number of majoritarians who do not have their own home in the capital, accordingly, they are simply forced to rent, because there is no other way, but we also... understand that there is a war in the country and elections in the near future, and some predict that it may drag on for many years, it will not happen, or in this way do you have the possibility to influence,

as possible, an advisory body to change the legislation in view of the circumstances, because this may be banal about savings, simply, when the money is needed, we are collecting it now for mavics, and perhaps it would be more appropriate to use this kind of money direct to give our military a bit of a kick. on such fees, and not for housing compensation? yes, well, of course, we advocate such things as some positive changes in the legislation, including if, in my opinion, it is necessary to introduce some limits in the compensation law regarding the wealth of people's deputies, regarding the ownership of their housing, as i have already said, it is written down, and accordingly, during the war , this topic is about... we understand and agree, and actually, when it comes to those amounts and you

say that certain limits can be established, then it will be relate to for sure of each individual or by factions, or how do you see it? i don't think that by factions, to be honest, i won't tell you that here. the answer to this question is really, how exactly should this legislation be improved, because on the one hand, these are also people who go to work, people's deputies, and they should not cover any work expenses there from their own pockets, but the question is whether it is appropriate, covering all these housing costs, maybe there should be some other formula for calculating this, that is, it is definitely worth revising, because this law it just exists for a long time and in the form in which it exists, it is used. thank you, ms. sofia, for participating in our broadcast. sofia lazarova, an analyst of the movement, was honestly with us, and

in fact it is about the amount of uah 64.5 million. this is for the 22nd, 23rd and first four months of the 24th year, funds from the state budget for housing rent in kyiv for this period. such is the story. but as of today, this is the law. well, in principle, if these are not such stories, do you remember how it was with the speaker of the parliament, who lived with his mother-in-law, but boasted of compensation, yes there was such a story, now it’s different, we ask you not to pay attention to such stories when you think about donating, if you want to donate , please donate 2.5 million, we need to collect for mavics and components for our defenders, don’t be stingy, roman and i say goodbye to you, see you tomorrow, we wish you a safe day, take care, do not ignore the air warning signals, because remember that the threat from the east always remains as long as we have such a neighbor, and in a few minutes do not

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we summarize the informative morning in ukraine on the air of the news, khrystyna porubiy works in the studio. a 60-year-old man was wounded in the village of podole in the kharkiv region, he was at home at the time of the attack. russians late at night shelled the kupyan district. neighboring houses and farms were also damaged. premises, at night the enemy dropped an aerial bomb on the village in the boriv district, a private house was destroyed. fortunately, there were no casualties. a rescuer was injured as a result of an airstrike in the city of selidovy in donetsk region. the fire-rescue unit and equipment were also damaged, the state emergency service reported.