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any case a military result provided with resources, and things like that, despite the fact that we cannot force, at the moment , we cannot force our enemy to sit down... at the diplomatic table, and that would mean, first of all, the withdrawal of the russian interventionists, well, but in any case , we wanted to, maybe more, because there were even a couple of states from the representatives of the so-called great south, which withdrew their votes. the states are not key, well, jordan is there, relatively speaking, but they are still important and quite symptomatic. so, our achievements, what we did not succeed, so to speak, to grasp the prospects in general, because... one summit can be followed by a second, and a third, yes, and even the second summit is almost out of sight, or so, let's say, de facto, the president announced, and he will it is not a year and a half, but a few months to make up the time of the organization there, but we must say what happened after this summit, well

, look, any attempt that ukraine will make, it must make it, show that ukraine is ready, it is trying, she is trying because we all understood that this summit will not bring us peace tomorrow and all will return military, russia will withdraw its troops and we will have an idyll. we all understood this very well. plus, we understand that the un, the secretary general, which did not find time to participate, also says something, because it says, by the way, why didn't he go, that after the second world war, the league of nations, which did not adequately respond to the war situation , it disappeared and the un was created. probably, the situation with what is happening now in ukraine, this war and ... the aggression of the russian federation, it probably also shows that there is institutions that have completely outlived themselves in terms of, let's say, the decisions that they should make from the functions for which they were created, because in fact we have a recent resolution that was at the un, the first one, it's on 140 countries, yes, although we

know 190 countries there, more than 190 countries are in the un, and we have a summit, yes, you know, either half empty or half full, we can optimistically, optimistically talk about what happened... but it is a step in which we try to search and show that effort ukraine has been talking about political and diplomatic relations for 10 years, and the solution to this situation is one story, and another is the story of daily struggle, both at the front and in the economy, and in other areas, where many people are also needed, and people in it is the same for ukraine, it is a great powerful resource with a great mission in the 21st century, but unfortunately, it is also being depleted. and these problems must be solved, so we have a situation where we can talk about the summit from two sides, but we must be as objective as possible, i will not say that it is pessimistic or something negatively, but very objectively from the point of view that it will not be in two or three weeks from the end, that it is tomorrow we will agree,

there is no such thing, because while we are fighting in that existential war, we are as a country, as a people, as a nation, and only we stop doing it, because many people advise us very different things, we are the same... well, we are advised differently and we see that at the beginning, that in three days of kyiv, we heard it many times, yes , but the ukrainians, when they stood up and said no, that is what the ukrainians want, and we must understand that we we absolutely deserve for these 10 years of grueling war, the formation of a coalition of determined people who are ready to give us weapons, are not afraid of the defeat of the russian federation, when, for example, europe and the united states conditionally delay, and japan unites conditionally. with norway and give us this resource so that we can wait out the moment of this financial vacuum that was forming, that is, we have to do everything now to be ready as much as possible at this diplomatic level, for that the nation must be united, for that we have to have appointed ambassadors of the same norway, and

for that we have, when the third relatively large recovery conference takes place in berlin , listen to everyone, local self-government, the head of the association should also be on prominent stages, and there should be key leaders of the public sector, who advocate a lot interests of ukraine. instead, we see that even the parliamentarians who were there, we did not see their key positions there, let's say, the defense of these interests of the parliamentary-presidential republic, and we see not the unification of nations, society and of all institutions, and we see, unfortunately, that this summit has become very clearly visible of only one state institution, that is, the office, this is not enough, and it seems to me, even... i would very much like to have some kind of, you know, joint meetings or meetings of the whole of the whole society, and the opposition and the authorities, there were, well, as far as there was, you know, friends tell us, there were such different situations when they started meeting even, let's say, with those who, i know that there were many

closed meetings in the bundestag, where not the what do they advise, yes, the ukrainian side, and that who, with whom they want to talk, and here i would really like that... we understood that the importance of every ukrainian who has weight in one or another country with one or another politicians was taken into account, because if together, when we are united , we showed that in the 22nd year, when we push all these stories. political struggle, we all start to care about the country and the state, then the situation looks completely different and there is hope for victory, and as of now, we had all such, you know, unfortunately, the dangers of dividing the world, how we are divided inside , yes and this, this is very dangerous, because we all understand that everything we need and we will be able to do it after victory, but for now, to get to it, we need a lot of everything, and money, and weapons, and now also people, and in fact... i would really like to understand what will happen next, well , it may be informative that someone will join, if someone withdraws the signatures,

and about which we are talking about, but it may be the other way around, when they will re-sign, so it is the same these variants of bilateral negotiations, they are real and formal, on the one hand we showed that, after all, she was nervous about putin, because he made preliminary statements before the events themselves and started, that is, for him, this is a kind of trigger, and that after all , almost a hundred leaders will gather there, that is, he tried. .. repel, i believe that sometimes we are not completely ready for informational attacks that we should repel, that is, when the country must understand in the future that with all the thousands, hundreds of voices of key people of the country, we can speak and quickly repel these attacks, because russia learned from it because of the people there, well, there is a lot to do so that there is no such thing, but everyone is afraid of them, everyone there respects them and we don’t get rid of them, putin did not play around, i think in informational and psychological operations, putin... indicated his position and he did this is unequivocal, very clear,

specific, from the fact that his, his criminal intentions do not become more trivial, this is a serious story, he did it on purpose, so to speak, in parallel with the summit, in order to demonstrate that russia is not going to agree on anything , they currently see only the military scenario, it saddens me personally, on the other hand, i am saddened by the position, the position of china, well, those who... the communique that was the result of the big swiss summit, yes, well, i think everyone noticed that it was about three the main directions, they were presented quite neutrally, that is, in diplomatic language, that is, the exchange of prisoners of war, all prisoners of war, why not, it is food security, and it is nuclear security, in particular, because it seems that no one wants it. thermonuclear winter, yes, but another extremely a characteristic, disturbing moment, which i

also paid attention to, is the statement of china after us, after the summit, what was the statement of china, which was voiced by the spokesperson of the chinese foreign ministry, yes, he said, and we will not comment anything, regarding the action, nothing they are not going to comment on the actions in which we did not participate, and they did not participate, because they refused to take part. there participation and so on, this is also an unambiguous position, ms. oxanro, well, look, the calculation is that both xi and biden will be present, of course, that were at the beginning, and everyone expected what their decision would be, and moreover, the acceptance of, let's say, who will represent this or that country, also looked at whether these leaders would be at the very event, and in this situation, of course, that we all understand that at some point these two leaders will shape each other, respectively. the leadership line of countries, but which partly, nevertheless, as

the experts emphasize, were not afraid, and from the point of view of the influence of china, about jordan, of course, it is sad, because we understand that it is one of those countries that do what is very necessary for artillery, and this is a country with enhanced capabilities under nato, there was a lack of assemblies at this event, which are parliamentary, so that it would be stronger from the point of view, because we are... about observers, because there are many points, that not everyone from the vatican is involved in the same way, because they were observers, there are defined associate members, there are members and there are observers, so if we consider in this format, that is , a quantitative and qualitative indicator, we can say again that there for half that everything that was planned was successful, it's a pity that out of 10 points only these three points, or putin's immediate objection that you have five more prisoners than we do, but everyone forgets about how many... were taken out and children, and in general, how many people have passed, that is, this accounting of what russia has done, and who

we want to return, there are also many questions regarding food security, partly, i believe, under the influence of china, it was changed, including then together with turkish, and in this situation it was absolutely surprising, that very much well, let's put it this way, there are almost none of these three issues that you mention, without compromises, they do not need something so extraordinary and understandable for everyone, because there is much more serious. there are a dozen other issues that ukraine has voiced there over the last few years, and this was also important, so as of today, how will it be beneficial for china to have russia weaken at our expense, we understand that very well, they get a lot of money. amount of raw materials is very cheap, and the more, the more painful it is for, let's say, for russia, the cheaper they can get it, it’s just a matter of whether with ukrainian hands or ukrainian soldiers, many, let’s say, countries defend their interests, we also analyzed how austrian banks there help, let’s say, russian oligarchs

who support the war , to withdraw their resources, many of these oligarchs are global, they support and... there is a lot of resistance, they themselves have also shown this from the point of view of trade relations, from the point of view of relations that are beneficial to this or that country, but actually there were countries that want to have good relations with both the global south and the west, so they participated not even because they support ukraine, they just wanted to demonstrate to the west that we are neither for nor against, so , we are somewhere neutrally in the middle, but there is, for example, a country like china, like brazil, brazil was present, but as an observer. china did not appear at all, because russia was not invited, and china and brazil now want to create a new such peaceful format, under which they will also be, i am i think to call the countries that should join this format, and actually zelenskyy also mentioned this in his final press conference, he talked about the fact that the next summit may take place in the coming months and

russia itself may be present at this summit , how do you see the development of events at this peace summit organized by china and? brazil, and do you think there will be enough countries there that will advocate for russia to stop its ultimatums and yet offer an adequate model of some specific peaceful settlement? well, look, it's hard to talk about adequacy if countries like brazil and china decide what will happen in europe. we understand very well that globally without countries, that is, if we cannot talk about peace, as they say to us, without an aggressor country, then how can we talk with countries that have no relation to europe, about what will happen in europe, ukraine is europe, and in that context we understand that everything that they are trying to impose on us seems very strange here, we were offered a lot of peaceful plans, including the chinese one, but we understand that this is a chinese peace plan, the president of ukraine commented a lot on this matter, sometimes even very sharply from the point of view of the fact that it was necessary to deny

the information positions issued there, not even the first. the leaders of these countries, including china, so in this situation of the format of the proposals, it can be, ukraine, that we must agree and say what is positive, what we are trying to do, when we are told that you do not want negotiations there or you do not want to look for others ways, then ukraine shows with such summits that it wants, we strive to do something, but on the other hand, how it is organized, how it happens and what the dry balance is as a result, these are the key points that i will later... qualitatively calculated have been made for this work done, so it seems to me that we should clearly understand that if we do not impose and constantly emphasize how ukraine is seen, then no plan for a country that is far from europe will be very, well, let 's say yes, unclear how it can be because we sometimes, not seeing the middle ground,

you know, they say, it's easier when we worry about kharkiv there, and even though we live there in lviv, and when they are bombed there and understand that... it's scary, the people who live there , they get used to it in a different way, that is, and when, well, they won't hurt as much, they won't feel any differently, and we are just now, when we try to listen to each country, and we tried to do this and the summit, including to hear new signings of diplomatic bilateral agreements, because the same is the same they happened in the same way with countries that do not have much influence on anything, but at least this format is being worked out, so i want there to be at least something to say about ukraine, excuse me, this is a possible form. was there at the eighth convocation, nothing about ukraine without ukraine, i would very much like the proposals of this peace plan to be formed in the same way. we completely agree, we would like a lot, but we also proceed from the realities that we saw on swiss soil. yes, well, and accordingly we understand that the signals have arrived, in particular, from the side of our president,

volodymyr zelenskyi, that ukraine would be ready to start certain negotiations, but for this it is necessary... that the aggressor state respects our territorial integrity, in particular, this is a very specific demand, the withdrawal of russian intervention troops from our territory russians, knowing this, well, that this is a completely normal practice in general, when the state is the aggressor, when it wants to negotiate, it withdraws its interveners. instead, russia is not going to withdraw its military, yes, they are ready to drag it out the whole history and... maybe, maybe, if they succeed, they would try to coerce, maybe our allies, by intimidating them, in one way or another, maybe they would like to coerce us, well, because they are regular. of civilian objects is also an informational and psychological attack, you understand, that is, they intimidate in this way, that is , it is a terrorist tactic, but it

does not make it easier that we will call them terrorists, so the key story, as possible, in which way can be negotiated under conditions when neither one nor the other side is they can reduce the whole matter to some denominator, and in the russian case there is not even a good will to agree on something, because if putin were to say something so neutral there, relatively speaking, that is, we do not want there, but everything is bad , ukraine refuses, but we would be ready there, no, he defined what in diplomatic language is called an ultimatum and voiced it, made it public, that is, russia is not ready to talk about anything, moreover, it drags on until the fall, destroying our infrastructure networks, energy so on, driving into the cold, into some kind of failure and collapse, which hopes that it will be conditionally there in a few months, that is, it is not just an ultimatum,

it prepares the ground for ukraine, in its inability to support itself within the state, to be more one that can make compromises, which we see, understanding and, let's say, sociologically, how this society sees, they understand that this is not even to be offered... it is possible and that is why few people talk about it, but it is very important, so that local communities prepare themselves for the fall, after all to that energy independence, and with regard to water, and with regard to heat, and with regard to other things that are extremely important, so that the terrorist, so that the terrorist does not achieve what he wants, because they understand that well , look, if the lviv there are already points in the region where the most expensive russian missiles, which are called swindlers, are there in dozens... they just flew just to fly, that is, no one even counts it, but from the point of view of how ukraine is obliged to count, as well as weapons and everything else is of course difficult, because when we want to plan

their future, and it's being planned for us, it doesn't look good, but on the other hand, we 're going into an election in the united states and they can, you know, actually even the same china that's discussing palestine, it 's trying so hard on this issue in fact... you don't talk about ukraine, that is , china, supporting palestine against israel , is muffled by the fact that there is such and such a war, and such a war, and some other, instead, the russian federation is systematically exhausting, exhausting its forces, imposing its terrorist opinion, and if we let's not constantly keep the issue of ukraine in the field of view from the point of view that, after all, everyone should be included, and the coalition of the determined and... it will be disadvantageous for america, losing such positions and actually helping china and the allies that have formed to assert themselves , while everyone was talking about

democracy, human rights and rules, in fact, you yourself see that an arms race has begun in countries where there is a dictatorship, where there is no democracy, and therefore ultimatum and terrorism, it has become such a common rule for these countries to impose their point vision, and politics, and rewriting history and others. aspects that we can mention, and by the way, the confiscation, or rather, interest from the confiscated russian assets and sanctions against russian companies, they are the trigger that shows that the west is ready to go for such a tougher diplomatic history with russia and china ? well, we hope that what actually happened when they said that ukraine's debts would be written off at the expense of russian assets, reserves of the central bank, of course, in this context. it looked a little different and they were nervous, because we understand that these frozen assets are ours, well, we must understand that tomorrow we will not receive this money to ukraine, and they will start working, yes, but on the other hand, what is conditionally announced as

a presidential candidate in the united states, that all aid to ukraine will only be for money, then this means that this money must be found somewhere, as of today, ukraine is having a very difficult time providing for its budget, and as you rightly say, the economy of ukraine is also depleting from the point of view of human resources resource including... there are many questions and reservations and everything else, how it should work, so in the matter of russian assets, this is another source that should help ukraine in reconstruction today. thank you, thank you. oksana yuranets, people's deputy of ukraine of the eighth convocation of the ukrainian delegation to the nato parliamentary assembly, doctor of economic sciences, professor of the department of foreign economic and customs activities of the lviv polytechnic, was in the espresso studio. we're going on a short break now, after that we'll have news, so stay tuned eu attention, mega sale, strong cordless saws with a discount of only uah 799.

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it's 4 p.m. in ukraine and we have a news release on the espresso tv channel for your attention. in the studio of iryna koval. greetings to all viewers and just now to him. more events. nine people were injured as a result of the russian shelling of poltava oblast , the head of the regional military administration, philip pronin, said. enemy during the day attacked poltava district with missiles, damaged power lines. without electricity - 53 thousand household and almost 25 legal consumers. emergency crews are already working on liquidation of the consequences.