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we invite you to speak about your accents of this extremely important event, greetings, greetings from strasbourg already, i am now on the sidelines of the council of europe, and the council europe was also present at the global peace summit, and the secretary general of the council of europe maria pechynovych burych also signed the final declaration, and in fact the summit became a truly global historical event. at least in terms of representation, because the summit was attended by 100 delegations from all corners of the world, from all continents, by the way, an interesting moment, during the summit, president volodymyr zelenskyi kept saying that 101 delegations were present at the summit, but in fact, after all wait, i listed, before the summit, literally at the last minute, the colombian delegation canceled its presence in switzerland, and thus there were still 100 delegations, but all the key powers were represented.

of all continents and even such as india, saudi arabia, mexico, argentina, brazil, although in observer status, south africa, australia, new zealand, that is, geography was powerful, not all these states signed the final declaration, but the fact that they came , participated and took part in discussions, this is also a lot. in order that, all the states that are present, as many of them as possible supported the final document of the communiqué summit, it was decided to discuss at this first inaugural summit not all 10 points of the ukrainian peace formula, but only three points that are more compromising, these are the issues of nuclear security, food security and also humanitarian issues, and based on the discussion during two days, on these three points in the final, final communiqué of the summit, it was

decided on... ukraine with nuclear weapons, what is putin doing now. the second point is to provide ukraine with the opportunity to freely export food to world markets, including to african markets, and for this purpose, russia is called to give ukraine access not only to the black sea, but also to the azov ports, as, as we know, the azov sea is now completely ... occupied by russia, and perhaps even this point from the final communique also caused the reluctance of some states friendly to russia to sign it, and the third point, the communique calls on russia to exchange prisoners in format all for all, and also for russia to finally release illegally deported civilians and illegally deported tens of thousands back to ukraine. their

children, it is interesting that the resolution, of course, was not signed by all 100 delegations, and there are also interesting games with numbers here, because at first it was announced that... there were 84 signatures under the final communique, then two signatures disappeared, this is iraq and jordan, and it turned out that these states withdrew their signatures after they agreed to sign the document, apparently under pressure from russia, and today it became known that, after all, now there are not 82 signatures, but 83, because ecumenical patriarch vatomiy joined the signatories and also put his signature under. communiqué, by the way, varfelomiy took an active part in the summit and even had a bilateral meeting with president volodymyr zelenskyi, zelenskyi, so his signature on the communiqué is absolutely logical, and we congratulate him on this decision, and of course the question is what is next, or not only the declaration will remain,

and as the ukrainian delegation insists, the process will continue, the work will continue, the work will continue work in working groups, and not only on three... points of the ukrainian peace formula, which are included in the final communiqué, on all 10 points. the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, spoke about this at the final press conference. let's listen to his direct speech. and now, after the summit, we proposed and agreed to continue our joint work on a more technical level at the level of advisers and ministers in the format of special meetings. under the leadership or co-leadership of countries. we already have previous agreements with such countries, as france, czech republic, turkey, kenya, saudi arabia, usa, norway, poland, canada, qatar, chile, ghana, finland, netherlands, germany, united kingdom,

accept the work of groups, lead and co-lead, and we invite all countries that admit the binding nature of the un charter as a basis for the cooperation of nations, participate in groups and express their ideas and suggestions. as you can see, the level of support for the next steps, regarding the preparation of the next summit of peace is enough for peace is quite strong, so we hope for fruitful work, and i would like to note that both from the very beginning of the summit and already at the moment of its completion, when they started. to talk about the preparation of the second peace summit on the sidelines of the summit and from the stands of the summit , voices began to be heard about the need to involve russia in the negotiations within the framework of the summit, as some states emphasized the side of the conflict, in fact the aggressor state, and the loudest

voice in this regard was switzerland, because as we know, even during the preparations for the summit, switzerland insisted that the russian delegation, at least at some... level, should be invited, but when ukraine clearly said that it did not want to see any russian politician or negotiator on the sidelines of the peace summit in switzerland, then this issue was dropped and again china announced that it would not participate in the summit, but the president of switzerland , viola amgerd and other swiss negotiators constantly insisted that this is the first summit without russia, but then russia must appear. at the negotiating table. let's listen to the direct speech of the president of switzerland, viola amger. if we want to direct the process in the direction of peace, it will be necessary to involve russia as well. this is clear to everyone. as an international community, we

can contribute to preparing the space for direct negotiations between the warring parties. that is why we have gathered here. tatyana, here is such a small clarification, we have already seen, in principle, the position of switzerland, it is quite neutral in relation to russia, that is, they are, conditionally speaking, ready to see it at the next peace summits, but do other participants of the peace summit have a principled position on this? maybe, someone expressed the position that... they are in favor of inviting russia to the next summits or to the next summit, maybe someone on the contrary said that in no case, as long as russia has such a position, it should not be invited. in fact, it can be said that all the participants of the summit

agreed with the opinion that at some stage, when peace negotiations are underway, when preparations are underway for the establishment of peace, even the aggressor state will participate in these negotiations. is not inevitable, because it must withdraw its troops and, if necessary, press for some conditions establishment of peace, and it can be said that the only state that clearly tried to... articulate on what terms it is ready to see russia at the next summits was ukraine, because at first, even when the first voices began to be heard that russia will be at the next peace summit, and everyone, how, how, what, well, i don’t know if it will be simple, putin will come, sit next to zelenskyi and have a conversation with him, then already on the second day, when volodymyr zelenskyi went to the press , he had several direct questions about it, and he gave to understand... so that ukraine is not against negotiations with russia, but not on russia's terms, not on the terms of ultimatums. ukraine will enter into

negotiations with russia, if this negotiated peace process is based on 10 points of the ukrainian peace formula, which primarily mean that the state border of ukraine must be under the control of ukraine, that is , all its territories must be returned to ukraine, and volodymyr zelenskyi is precisely said that if russia is ready... for negotiations even now, we can start them even now, if they are will leave our legal territories, that 's the position of ukraine, and it's nice that it still holds, because of course, for example, the same turkey, the same saudi arabia, they are ready to see russia at the negotiating table right now , despite the fact that the unified position of all states regarding the peace process has not yet been formed, we discussed only three points out of ten, tatiana, well, we can't help but ask. after all , the european council is meeting informally today to decide who will be

to lead and who will generally be present in the key european institutions, all this is happening already after the elections to the european parliament, and actually as a mood, what vibrations do you catch on the spot? well, this is how they will have a working dinner, after two days in switzerland, today they are going to brussels for dinner, they have actually gathered since the 16th. have already closed the perimeter of the place where this dinner will take place, and they will discuss not only the first, the names of the first persons of the european union, who will actually lead the european union during the next five years, but i also very much hope that they will also discuss the conference at which negotiations with ukraine on joining the eu will begin, which is planned for june 25, but still official. invitations were not sent to them, because there are still nuances with the netherlands, which must

be approved by the parliament, there are still some formalities, but the process is going such that, most likely, next week the procedure for negotiations with ukraine on joining the european union, well, also moldova will also start negotiations with us, and as for the candidacies of the leaders of the european union, there are actually no big intrigues at the moment, but we remember how 5 years ago, suddenly during such evening talks of the leaders of the european union, a candidacy appeared ursela von der leyen, when no one thought about her at all, she was proposed by angela merkel, and all the heads of the european union agreed with it, today ursela von der leyen is again the first main candidate for the position of the head of the european commission. on the position of the eu high representative for

foreign affairs to replace boroza barel , mr. barroso mentioned, to replace joseph borel is claimed by the current prime minister of estonia , kaia kalas, and the third position is the position currently held by charles michel, the head of the european council, he can to become a former prime minister. portugal's antonio costa, these are the candidates, but what will happen behind closed doors today, when the leaders will have dinner together and talk, let's see. thank you, yes tatyana, thank you very much for your thoughts. tatyana vysotska, correspondent tv channel, she was just on the air, she told us about the situation after the peace summit, her feelings, her thoughts, and about the results of the elections to the european parliament... soon there will be elections for many, many positions in the european commission,

the european parliament, well and i want to remind you that we have a poll on whether the global peace summit will lead to real peace, you can answer yes or no, you can vote on youtube for the youtube broadcast, and you can also vote with your phones if you think that yes... 0800-21381, if you don't think so, 0800 211382, all your calls are free, so... we are pleased to invite volodymyr horvych, a political analyst of the institute of euro-atlantic cooperation, an expert on foreign and domestic policy, to a conversation with us now. mr. volodymyr, congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, good luck. good evening. after everything we have seen and heard following the results of the global peace summit, we would like to know your opinion, how optimistic or skeptical

you are about the presence already in foreseeable future. at a similar event in the russian federation, is it possible to imagine it now, based on the situation on the ground? well, it's very difficult, to be honest, for me personally to imagine such a situation, where the russian federation will be sitting at the table and will be represented by a war criminal, vladimir putin, who has an international criminal court warrant for his arrest, it's, well... very it will be painful not only for me, but probably for all ukrainians, and for people in general, the good of goodwill. ah, well, you see, it's a matter of because we are forced to really exist and navigate in this situation, as our, our partners imagine,

unfortunately they imagine such a picture, and, well, when we talk about... the fact that this, well , west, swiss, i call it a conference with the pathetic name global summit, peace summit, he, well, if there is such a ground floor in this construction, peace-building, yes, peace-building, and after it we may expect some next steps, the ukrainian leadership announced holding the second summit, as said president zelenskyi, not in years, but in months or... months, and that this is already the second summit to coincide with the end of the war, this is what we wanted to hear, of course, all ukrainians wanted to hear, that this is not a matter of years, and months, and this is what our, our western partners wanted to hear, that it will not be very long and exhausting either, and their efforts will not be in vain, but the position

of the aggressor country and the position of... its senior partner china, as well as the position of other brics partners who were present in switzerland but did not sign, knowingly refrained from supporting ukraine, in fact , with their signature, in the final communique, they tell us that everything is so, everything is not very simple and not as rosy as possible, as the conference participants themselves are telling us about it now, in particular from... from the ukrainian side, i , to be honest, i am afraid that this block, china, the russian federation, and the so-called leaders of the global cock, and these are the brics countries after all, first of all, they will try to seize the initiative, but now this conference in switzerland is an attempt by ukraine to seize

a peace initiative, well, in general, the plan itself of ukraine, these are 10 points of the formula. it was an attempt to seize the peace initiative, it had, as a diplomatic formula, it had to be accompanied by military actions and military victories on the battlefield, the formation of a so -called negotiating position, a strong negotiating position for ukraine, and this was imagined a year and a half or two years ago , as the success of the ukrainian counteroffensive, and accordingly, here you are, the ukrainian peace formula, as it was intended, but the counteroffensive did not go as well... actually speaking, and the diplomatic process is not so much successful, as it was intended, well, we did not manage to conquer the global half, we must admit, admit this, well, this bitter truth, they, well, they either do not care at all about what is happening in ukraine, many countries do not care, well, it is somewhere

far away in europe , ukraine, russia, they do not see any threat to themselves and do not care. countries of the same brics , such as china or brazil, well maybe india, they even try to play in this situation at all, they are not very interested in ukraine either, they are interested in the struggle for a place in the world with the united states, especially china, of course, china competes with the united states, and just as russia does not see ukraine as a subject, it is at war, when russia is at war in ukraine, it actually sees the united states. as its potential partner in world division negotiations, communist china or imperial china, if you will, well... and frankly speaking, this does not give us any hope that the further track after the swiss, swiss conference , he 'll follow our, our plan, yeah, well,

the chinese will try to seize the initiative, perhaps this will happen already at the beginning of july during the sco summit of the shanghai cooperation organization, which will take place in astana, in kazakhstan, it seems there on july 3-4. by the way , on or around july 4-5, but on the eve of the washington nato summit, they can in principle speak there, update this chinese-brazilian plan, as they call it, with six points, not 12, and in fact it is a russian plan , this is a plan in russian interests, yes, which would be fixed russian conquests, at least territorially, well, i froze on this line, i... if it will not be in shoos, no, they will not have time, then somewhere at the end of august, the beginning, well, the beginning or the whole of september, the date has not yet been determined, should take place,

the brics summit is already in russia, more precisely in tatarstan, in the capital of tatarstan, kazan, and there may be an attempt to seize the initiative, well , china will do this only when it understands that most of the countries of the global south will be in its position , and that... pressure that chinese diplomacy and russian the military and did, did, did to the countries of the global south, it still had some effect, if, if we had not fought against it, we would have successfully countered it, we must give credit to ukrainian diplomacy and the efforts of switzerland itself and our other allies and partners, but this event showed that our closest partners and allies are the west, there are political countries and states and peoples. the leaders of europe, the european union and north america, the united states, canada, but also japan, australia and all that we call the global event, regardless of

geography these are our reliable partners, these are the countries of the state, including taxpayers, who provide us with real, real help, thanks to which we can and still resist russian aggression and, in my opinion, have not lost any initiative. no chance of a final victory over and punishment of the russian. mr. volodymyr, you already mentioned the fact that senior officials of ukraine and officials of other countries talked about the next peace summit, that is, which one will be there, someone said in 5 months, someone called closer to the elections or after the elections in the united states of america, but we have putin's position, he expressed it last week, he said, or the facts... cut himself off from any kind of negotiations, these kinds of peace summits, even if, conditionally speaking, inviting russia , how

switzerland wants to do it, what will it give, will it lead to at least some minimal changes, your opinion, well, one more question, if we are talking about some dates, after all, before the presidential elections in the usa or after, maybe ... there should be a similar global peace summit, where at least the states will gather civilized world. well, first of all, if putin is brought to the negotiating table for a peace conference, it will mean that this conference will have the same consequences and will proceed in the same way as the munich conference of 1938, which actually opened, opened the way for hitler to further aggression on the european continent . this trend is ... after the swiss conference, if the situation goes, well, the process is exactly on this path, so let's put russia at the negotiating table, it will be the munich conference.

putin's words were said the day before, well actually cut off any hopes and expectations of finding a compromise. russia will not make any compromises until it is defeated on the battlefield. this is their strategic culture, they have always acted this way and will continue to act. they simply do not imagine another method of action, the mode of co-operation, they consider everything else a weakness, and therefore do not show this weakness as much as they can do it, therefore, as i said, our closest and most important partners of the western countries are still in some internal illusion, the illusion of what with it is possible for putin to reach some kind of compromise, unfortunately... we cannot reach any kind of compromise, at least officially and publicly, because the plane for this is some kind of concessions or points of contact. in

the russian-ukrainian existential conflict, it simply does not exist, western leaders do not pay attention to this, they think that they can still talk, but even in such a situation , conducting a dialogue is better than not than than conducting a war, well, from the point of view of tactics delays of some kind there it may be justified, but strategically it does not solve the problem, but mr. volodymyr, lately we have been witnessing really fundamental... decisions, some of which would have been hard to believe just a few months ago, well , first of all, the decision to provide ukraine with 50 billion in profits from russian assets confiscated, which remain frozen, this is a very important point that can be recalled from the last one, it is actually good for us to strike on russian sovereign territory, and azov was eventually allowed to use

american weapons and that too. revolution in the minds of the western world, i see everything lately more signals that it seems that not only the russian federation and putin are ready to escalate with a known goal, but also the same collective event already understands that just these dialogues, soft power, coercion is soft, it is also not works, and we should probably be tougher in our decisions and rhetoric too, shouldn't we, i completely... i completely agree with you, these events that you listed are very positive, and they happened literally just days, weeks, for the last, last weeks, shall we say, and it is very serious a shift in the strategic thinking of our western partners, this is all very well, the only bad thing is that it is happening in the second or third year of the war, and time is being lost, and time is a resource, what is this

resource that cannot be renewed, for example, a large unfortunately, and this is the evolution of the strategic thinking of our western partners, it lags behind russian actions on the battlefield, unfortunately. i think that to consolidate this positive trend, or positive transformation, the thinking of western thinkers, politicians, strategists, should the realization that it is impossible to come to an agreement with putin, he must be... defeated, and if we do not go to the new munich conference and put putin at the negotiating table, then we need to organize the process in this way, first of all military actions and support for military and security support of ukraine , in such a way that the next conference will not be analogues of the munich conference, but the historical tehran, yalton and postdam conferences, where these will have to be international conferences dedicated to that

topic, as in order. to cover the space of the north eurasia after putin's defeat in this war. by the way, in the context of what khrystyna said and in the context of what you say, mr. volodymyr, about raising these rates, about the fact that the west, relatively speaking, is gradually maturing to the point that it is necessary to restrain russia as much as possible, well here's one of the latest news, nato is in talks to deploy more nukes. weapons against the background of the growing threat from russia and china, in particular, consultations are actually ongoing regarding the withdrawal of missiles from storage and the transfer of the same missiles to a state of combat readiness. about this was stated by nato secretary general jen stoltenberg in an interview with the telegraph. now let's see a quote of what he said, quote: "i'm not

going to go into the operational details of that." how many nuclear warheads should be in combat stock, how many should be in storage, but we have to consult on these issues, and that's what we're doing, that is, it reaffirms that it's not just russia that's raising the stakes throughout the great war that it started in 22- year, and the west also raises these rates, and in fact for russia it is to some extent such survival. and for the event it is survival, that is, we see a situation where, as they say, who is who, and this can actually last quite a long time. in your opinion, this is the position, who is who, how long it can last, can this increase in rates be for another six months, or can it be, relatively speaking, extended for several years, for a year, two,

three, five? one cannot fail to welcome the words of the secretary general.