some, a certain number of infantry broke into that factory, recently even the mtlb broke through there with stocks of ammunition, water, food, and logistics, of course, that they are broken, basically everything is dropped there by drones, how many of them are sitting there, even the fighters themselves in a conversation they cannot say the exact number, because someone was already there a few days ago there were 100, no 40-30 people, then 100-200, then already in the news... 400-500, i am already afraid that 1000 will appear today , 2000, there are 100 thousand, someone makes up these numbers, they come in, they they are constantly trying to break through there, and the important thing is that our fighters just took these passageways under fire control and did not allow this to happen, they made maximum efforts so that as few as possible broke through there, as few as possible survived, and all those who entered there died in the plant itself, because there are already many...

of course there are alive, to say that they are all there, they are unblocked, there is no step back, no step forward, you can’t, because they are trying to wash themselves, we see that they were able to there, even if only a few people, but break through with a fight, of course, under fire, not everyone survives, and it is important that the fighters took this plant under fire control, how events will develop, i do not venture to predict there either, they can make a breakthrough to get out of there, they can continue to make an information picture for themselves, as if they are heroically continuing something there, they can do an attempt to break through in order to make this passage logistical for themselves, there are already a lot of actions, maneuvers, so this is how the situation is developing, this is how the facts are, as they are, well, we saw in yesterday's version, when they sat down in the lyceum in vovchansk, and then a high-precision heimat flew to them. let's see if

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at the vilnius nato summit, where we expected an invitation to this structure, however, there was a final communique that we all agreed on, and it was going on there. that ukraine will be in nato, in principle, we insist that this should be written in every nato document of recent times, this is as if such a normal, normal state for us, but uh, it was about the fact that not when - the war will end, and then when, will arise, when... countries will agree, because in principle the wording after the end of the war, it gives russia the right to never end this war, that's exactly what i wanted to ask you, look, because the formula that kirby voiced, it is like any mathematical formula and can be pushed back and

forth if he says that as soon as ukraine wins in russia, it will immediately join nato. now the option is, if, now it does not end. this is a war, well, not a direct victory, but there are such cases, history knows them, that means that then we will never join nato, because, for example, we do not have a peace agreement, like, for example, between north and south korea, or like between russia, japan, well, actually, but did west germany win the war, the federal the republic of germany, having, so to speak, the gdr, from... the eastern side, that is, it is a question, well, in general, it is a game of words here, it seems to me, because it is also a term to win a war, as it is, who will define it, in what form it must be a win, that is, we have reached

the borders of 91, that is one thing, or there is more any options, i.e. are we going to announce ourselves that we've won the war there at some stage, i.e. really, i think that... it's just the nato dialogues that are going to intensify now because we're all looking forward to the washington nato summit , at the beginning of july, 75 years of nato. and now many speakers and analysts return to this topic, they express their point of view. mr. sergey, i want to ask about stoltenberg's statements, we understand that the world is alarmed, russia and china are friends, together with north korea, they have a stockpile of nuclear weapons are large, and so nato decided that we should also show, demonstrate, what we have, and do we have any at all? this is necessary, that is , if we understand that if moscow or beijing, well, not beijing, but korea, anyone uses nuclear

weapons, then they will fly in response, and in fact we understand what will happen to the world, why is this such an escalation , while demonstrating that we have more, we can do more, to which, in principle, it seems to me that there is a rethinking. in the west of its position in relation to russia, russian propaganda, this russian intimidation of the world, constantly with nuclear weapons, because russia has nothing to hide, it cannot economically influence the world, it cannot act in any other way just by brandishing this nuclear warhead, and this is as if the main element which makes russia still. some great power, as they think, obviously everyone in the west is fed up with it, and it is necessary, well

, to speak in the same language, here it is about the fact that in general nuclear weapons are understood, that nato, nato countries have them, nato is nuclear alliance, great britain, the united states, france, a sufficient number of strategic, tactical weapons, and are periodically conducted. training, maneuvers, routine work, there is technical, technical control over nuclear weapons, but before nato did all this in such a secret regime, closed, that is, it was not reported about it, but today, as stoldenberg stated and so the nato military committee decided , that it's time to open it too, if nato will conduct some exercises, er... with the use of elements of nuclear weapons there, it is clear that these are mockeries, and they are, as it were, such

models for exercises, but it will be frankly, openly spoken so that russia also hears and everyone everywhere hears in the dprk, the dprk, in china, everyone, all those who threaten the world with nuclear weapons weapons, so that they also hear that nato has nuclear weapons, there are means of delivery, there is... an aviation component of delivery, there are ballistic missiles, a naval underwater component of delivery, all of this is there, and all of it is functional, and the quality is good, and it can be applied, so if unilaterally intimidating europe and the whole world is not worth it, i think it is such nato's response to these is so provocative. actions and words of russia, mr. serhiy, we even showed our viewers, when

we tested a strategic nuclear bomber, which went into the baltic sea at a launch position in the area of ​​the occupied city of koninsberg, which muscovites call kaliningrad, this was such a demonstrative response to their belarusian- russian nuclear maneuvers, but one more thing happened on the eve of recent events, including the summit and everything. muscovites decided to play the other very openly and demonstratively repetition of a tragic farce such a tragicomedy caribbean crisis version 2:0 of ​​this entry into havana and their big cruiser, then a nuclear submarine pulled up, then planes flew over them, which from florida did a beautiful aerial reconnaissance, and yesterday and here is this big... their the missile carrier and the submarine left the port of havana. what was the point

of playing such an expensive and logistically difficult caribbean crisis 2, if in fact there was no sequel of any kind. what was it all for? well, that's also an element, i'd say even more, such bravado for one's own population, to show on television that look, we are swimming in the pacific ocean there. in the atlantic ocean, and to cuba, here are our ships, there the ships go for training, and we are, as it were, a great maritime power, and we are not afraid of anyone, and something. such, well, in principle, in peacetime, there were such campaigns, that is, this is cuba, if an ally of russia remained here, and there was some kind of periodic cooperation, it all costs a lot, it is all now unaffordable for the russian budget, but they allocate funds

in order to still hold this brand, to show that all of this is there, but if the price... of their entire fleet, we see it in the black sea, that asymmetric response, small drones, they drove the entire black sea fleet into bays, and there they sit, then in the event of any actions there in the atlantic ocean, the same, all these russian ships will suffer the fate of the cruiser moskva, which was earlier. mr. serhiy, trump shouts that even before i become president, i will deprive ukraine of support, because the president is doing business with them, and every time he demands more money, we will leave nato and so on, nato, in turn, realizing that these statements may become true, is preparing and working to anticipate

how the alliance can now change aid to ukraine and the structure in general. nato, if this can also happen, in order to protect nato from, well, from such a trump. in principle, the americans did a lot, they set up, they set up logistics, arms deliveries to ukraine, from the usa, from europe, ramstein, they actively, if they implemented under their such diplomatic military leadership, all this happened, well, the time has come time to transfer all this to headquarters. nato to brussels, in principle, it is also logical, because in the headquarters there are 500 international secretariats, missions of all countries, i.e. all problematic issues, about thinking about these logistics and if solving specific tasks there, it is easier, it is easier to do it in place

in brussels, when everyone, everyone can communicate, and in principle... if it looks very good, especially when the process is already taxed by the americans, you just need to maintain and implement all this at the appropriate level, on the other hand, so speak, we understand that the election campaign is approaching, and even without predicting there about the actions of the next president, who he will be, we do not know, elects the american people, but the election campaign itself, it is also so difficult. here it is clear that the case of ukraine is extremely mentioned, and here there is a wide field for opponents to criticize the existing, its current government, because they help ukraine a lot, it is necessary to criticize that it goes for too much, we need less, they help ukraine little, it is possible to criticize that you could have done something more,

you are not helping much there, that is, at all election pre-election debates, they are like that... and there is little constructive, so it is possible and good that if this issue moved to brussels, and if we would ensure that ukraine was such an element, an element that was used by political opponents, well, with on the other hand, so to speak, this work is in place, it should continue as planned. 0.25% of its own military budget to help ukraine, it was first proposed by estonia, other countries supported it, now there is a discussion about whether it should be fixed, god forbid that it be accepted, decided that vashenko was announced at the summit, well,

we understand that it will be stormy like this until november. because it seems to me that even elon musk, and even trump himself, does not know what trump will say tomorrow, it is not about systemic politics, and accordingly, to expect that these words will have direct consequences for the cancellation of financial or military aid to ukraine is absolutely nothing so, in a word, we will live with that mystery until the end of this year, but another question is interesting, in nato they are also preparing for the option of nato with trump or... nato as it is today, but also the change of its general secretary, the era of jans stoltenberg is catching up, and i see that the most in... 29 of the 32 member countries of the alliance receive from the netherlands mark rutte, and here he is faced with what we

deal with it every day, it's called orban and his fidesz, but with orban he doesn't stick to it, and hungary is blocking there as well as in ukraine, but, but, but we talked, talked, and orban says, hmm, i'm ready change our mind and we will no longer support in this way. well, we're giving you that question in the form of today's financial post times that rütte will allegedly promise and then confirm in writing to hungary, particularly in orbán's street, that it will have the right to refuse nato activities aimed at supporting ukraine, and for that orbán will support his candidacy. in a word, orbán trades our war and security left and right and surrenders. that ryut, you do not mind such a trade? well, i don't know if there are doubts about exactly such written assurances, although it should

be said that mark rutty, the only leader of the country, who visited kharkiv and visited in the far east of ukraine, this is really a courageous act, because many leaders also come to kyiv, biden has been here. in our city, which is bombarded by the russians with missiles and all other drones, often, often some leaders come only to uzhgorod or even to the western border of ukraine, we should give credit to the rütte brand here, i think that hungary is doing itself a disservice, because then the question arises, what... its role in these alliances in the european union and in nato. when she does not act together with everyone, but some of her own pushes such a pro-russian policy. what

do hungarian citizens who work in the secretariat of the european union and nato do when hungary does not share their politics. that is, i think that in the future there may be conclusions here, there was even a conversation in visegradska. group, so that maybe hungary will leave this association, because in principle , the countries of eastern europe have such a clear position of support for ukraine and here it goes to rostriz, we will see, well, but really mark rutte scores the most points and obviously he will be next general secretary, and only how will it work then, because look at within the framework of sanctions, everyone supports, but you... the exception, for example, for russian oil and gas works for hungary, everyone works for collective security, for hungary the exception works, so literally, summarizing,

that is, will these two structures not go to pieces, to anarchy due to non-working, we literally have half a minute, due to non-working common standards, well, honestly, we were bitter about leaving the european union and nato and pursuing our independent policy. it would be, firstly, secondly, in hungary, well, it should not be like that it is safe that ukraine covers them, in times of globalization, russia can trample hungary, regardless of the fact that there is no border, like hungary, like russia , i influence, yes, thank you, actually just a lack of time, but memory must be about 1956. serhii jerch, head of the ukraine nato public league, and our military serviceman, to whom we are grateful, was with us. do not miss in a few minutes. news, then roman and i will return to our analytics. there are discounts , such as discounts on urulesan of 15% in

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