but we will make a good mess there, here is such a plan, you can make it there and have done it, if you have a head and arms and legs, damn it, physical , some kind of elementary, then god, with pleasure, with pleasure, people just don’t want to go, i don’t know , why are they there, no one sends him to death. he will be taught, he will be trained, he will be watched, because he is not needed there either, it is called, i cannot understand it, demotivation, what, what motivation can it be, if the enemy came to the house, everything, to your country came the enemy, which there may be a separate motivation, i was not born for war, we were all born, but now we all have an army, all of them, i am billboards in general, here from the forest. well, i just don't

get it. friends, this was a scout of the first separate brigade of special forces named after ivan bohun. friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. and for those who are currently watching us on these platforms, please follow the pages on these platforms and also participate in our poll. today we ask you about whether tax increases are justified. during the war, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if your answer is more extensive, you can write, please write in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv or somewhere else streaming platforms, vote by phone or by phone or smartphone 0800 211 381 if you think wartime tax increases are justified no 0800 201 382 if not

justified next, we will be in touch with oleg penzyn, economist, executive director of the economic discussion club. mr. oleg, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. i also sincerely congratulate you. good evening. good evening. mr. oleg, let's start our conversation with a brief summary of the sanctions of our western partners against the russian federation, which were introduced on june 12, 2024. what can we do now? conclusions, the first conclusions from what happened over the past few days, is it true that russian the economy is already starting to ionize, well , it started to ionize somewhere around the middle of the 22nd year, when the fate of oil, which the russian federation is currently selling, i want to remind you that oil is the main budget-forming income. this is

the main budget-forming product of the russian federation, in fact, the bulk of oil began to flow to china. this is one moment, the second, after uh, european brands of uh , sophisticated equipment, cars, household appliances, spare parts left the russian market, or... due to sanctions restrictions, or purely from a moral point of view, the chinese began to take their place quite actively, it should be understood that the chinese also began to conduct all calculations within the framework of this measure in the national currency of china, i.e. in this way indeed , the ionization of the russian economy is actively taking place today, and by the way, this fact has been confirmed.

by the official statement of the central bank of the russian federation, after, as a result of the sanctions that were imposed on the moscow interbank currency exchange and the national clearing center, the mechanism of market pricing of the russian ruble exchange rate to the dollar was essentially destroyed, and at that moment there were quite serious problems related to the possibility of forming a market rate, to which the central bank of russia said, and we are not worried about the dollar, we are worried about today is just the beginning, and the main peg of the russian ruble will actually be only to the yuan, all the latter will be calculated, actually this is another sign of the fact that, well, let 's be honest, russia is slowly losing its economic sovereignty, that is, this ionization economy, if you and i remember that the yuan is a currency with limited convertibility, well , that is, for example, the yuan... you can

settle, for example, in any other foreign trade transactions with another country, neither with turkey nor with the arab emirates, how many other people does the russian federation trade with, well, actually, ui is... a currency, at best, in mutual settlements between the russian federation and china, and that for every export operation, for chinese products, which is paid in yuan, you need an individual people's license bank of china, so there are actually quite big complications associated with these transactions, the dollar absolutely, but, i understand correctly, that in this case it becomes absolutely clear why china... supported russia's war against ukraine, because, well this yuanization, which began and is being carried out in russia, is beneficial for chinese manufacturers and in general for chinese, the chinese national currency and in general for all of china, well, look, first of all, it is

beneficial because russia has a much lower level of freedom, connected with his foreign economic activity, well , let's... let's recall a very interesting fact that according to the first, first visit, the russian president, formally the dictator, in reality, mr. putin, actually visited china, where a very interesting thing happened behind the scenes, the chinese demanded from of the russian federation to sell gas to china at domestic russian prices, which, by the way , are approximately three to four times higher. well , it is cheaper than the foreign trade prices that russia offers gas to its partners abroad, that is, this fact, it is extremely demonstrative from the point of view that already today china is beginning to demand from the russian federation sufficiently large

preferences for chinese companies, well , first of all for the purchase of energy carriers, so please, i am asking for what i actually said, this is slowly . loss of economic sovereignty, and we understand that any sovereignty begins with economic sovereignty. thank you, mr. oleg, let's hope that our western partners will introduce further sanctions against russia, which will be painful for the russian economy. let's talk about the ukrainian economy, because danylo gitmantse has already announced an increase in taxes in ukraine. he said that the cabinet of ministers is preparing proposals for increases. some military levy taxes and value added taxes, however, it is currently unknown what the new rates will be, he stated this in an interview and the telegraph, what he said, sometimes it seems that society is in a paradigm of whether to raise taxes or not , and we don’t really have such a paradigm, because if there is nothing

to finance the army, there will be no shells, there will be no weapons, the russians will be under our capital, for example, or we, in order to prevent this, will still raise taxes and so on... together we will finance these shells with our own money, - said danylo hetmantsev. do you think it is justified to raise taxes during wartime, this is actually a question we ask our tv audience, the audience watching on other streaming platforms, how do you feel about this idea and how the government can create this new tax reality during wartime . tell me, please, our soldiers are free. will fight? i think no, realistically, well, realistically, at the moment, someone will provide us with some additional weapons, free of charge,

no, our enterprises with you are military- technical of the industrial complex, which currently work and provide our soldiers with weapons, they will work for free, you and i have... in general, a completely unique situation, let's imagine the ukrainian military-industrial complex, right? what it is means? there are ukrainian enterprises that produce weapons during the war, please tell me if there is a possible option when this enterprise, conventionally some one there, which produces heavy armored equipment, produced this equipment under a contract with the ministry of defense, and the ministry of defense cannot take this equipment for six months. it is in warehouses, produced, but not collected. our european partner is looking at all this, allocating 18 billion, millions of euros in order to buy back from the ukrainian enterprise for the production of heavy equipment this equipment and put it in the armed forces

of ukraine, because the ukrainian budget does not have money to pay for this contract, is this normal or not, what do you think? you have, of course, it's fine, i think so, i think not , here's the answer, how justified is the increase in taxes, it's not about taxes, it's not about justice, it's about... money, i have a question, if there is no money, will ukraine be able to defend itself from the enemy, from the aggressor? i want to recall the famous phrase of one of the french emperors, mr. napoleon, who said that war is money, money and more time money unfortunately, this is absolutely true. that is, at the moment, well, even according to the statements of the minister of finance, mr. marchenko. due to the fact that we did not receive military and technical assistance from the americans for the first three months,

in order to finance, at least partially, ammunition, ukraine was forced to withdraw part of the funds from the cash receipts of our boys' soldiers, which were to be paid in at the end of the year, and to pay in january and february ammunition for a total of 5 billion dollars. so tell me, please. from where today's moment is to take money in order to find, at the end of the year, those 200 billion hryvnias to pay the soldiers money, sources, i.e. the first question is the source, where to take the money from? well, our honorable people's deputies propose to raise taxes, although i repeat once again, the funds that they propose to raise in the form of taxes will not even be enough to cover these 200 billion uah, because... well, in the best case, those taxes will give there are 70-80 billion, from where else? well

, now there is economic reservation in the verkhovna rada, right? no, it's not about justice bill, it is a bill about money, because if there is no money, there will be no reason to mobilize, why? one mobilized million uah 300,00 per year costs the state budget, whether someone likes it or not. we want to mobilize an additional 100,000, please, 130 billion in the budget, we want 200, 160, 260, and so on according to that amount, at the moment, a direct deficit of what is not enough to equip those people, train and to mobilize properly, there is a lack of order from 500 to 700 billion uah, where to get them, ours? partners provide us with macro-financial assistance with strict restrictions, those funds cannot

be used for security and defense, and it is good that they give us this money, because we use it to finance social expenditures, pensions, salaries of state employees, help for pensioners, well, in the end there, 350 billion of this money goes to the pension fund, that is , at least this burden is removed from us, but... everything that we earn goes to the war, that is, everything that we can invest in the state budget, based on the economy of ukraine, so the question are the taxes fair or unfair, well, you gave mr. hetmantsev's statement there, no matter how controversial it is, but unfortunately it is true, there will be no money, there will be no defense, for which ukraine, that's all, you already mentioned, mr. olezh, about economic reservation, there are already two alternative draft laws in the verkhovna rada of ukraine regarding the reservation of conscripts, a member

of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence, fedir venislavskyi in an interview with radio nv called the issue economic defense very much difficult, because on the one hand it calls into question the equality of citizens before the law, but on the other hand it allows significant funds to be spent on the wall. let's listen to what venislavsky said. if we are discussing economy booking. we are already talking about precisely the flow of this money from the shadow sector, from bribery, from corrupt components to the legal sector of the economy, because if a person understands that he can pay certain taxes and fees and this will allow him to work, perform important social functions as well , including to ensure the economic development of the state, and it will not be mobilized, because this coincides with its vision, then there is probably a question about... mr. olezh, when we talk about the detinization of the economy, how do you

assess the current state of this shadow economy, its volume? well, before the war it was 32%, now the shadow sector is estimated somewhere at 37-38%, there are clear calculations that the state, the state budget. receives less than 800-850 billion hryvnias in the form of taxes and fees and the shadow economy . transfer the economy from the shadows to the light, well, it is unrealistic, there is no such precedent in the world, there is a shadow economy in any society, but there it occupies somewhere around 10-15 maximum in developed democratic countries. the shadow economy includes semi-criminal things related to the drug trade there, weapons

there outside the limits of the law, and so on. you and i have an absolutely... legal business sitting in the shadow sector, which simply stupidly does not pay taxes, and i agree with one of the people's deputies who said that if you owe the state budget 100 uah, for 100 uah you made a donation to the armed forces of ukraine, and the last one was not paid to the budget, then this means that you stole 900 uah from the armed forces of ukraine, so that no one has any illusions, unfortunately, this is... a deep truth, but economic reservation, in why is there specificity here? firstly, the economic reservation, which is planned today, must be carried out by enterprises in relation to the hired legal workers who work in them, that is, the person himself cannot

pay a conditional amount and receive an indulgence for mobilization on during per month, this should be done by a legal enterprise that, in addition to this type of payment, makes other types of payment, value added tax, uh, other income taxes, excise taxes, if it is excise goods, and so on, i.e. in this way, attracting the attention of business is for them to be in the light and keep their employees, such a system is introduced, an incentive in the form of economic reservation, and one more point, i often hear that the poor will be bought off, the rich will be bought off at the expense of the poor, i have a question, please tell me please, a person sitting on a salary in an enterprise is a rich person or not, well , really, we are talking about the fact that the reservation will be made by the enterprise

in relation to the employee who works for it, this employee is rich man or not? if he lives from paycheck to paycheck, where is the wealth? rich people are business owners, and those people who work in businesses as employees are the ukrainian middle class, which actually bears the entire burden of the tax burden. by the way, more one moment, you and i discussed a little beforehand the issue of raising taxes, so let's remember what exactly our people's deputies want to raise in the form of taxes, eh? to increase value added tax by 3%, tentatively, by 3%, who is the final payer of this tax? business, no, it's us and you, increase excise taxes on tobacco, alcohol and fuel and lubricants, who is the final payer of the excise tax, we are you, is it because the business income tax is being increased at the moment, no, taxes are being increased

on the final consumer, that is, on you and me, that is, on a large scale. at the moment, the entire burden of the future tax burden rests on our shoulders. thank you, mr. oleg, for the conversation, it was oleg penzyn, economist, executive director of the economic discussion club. dear friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. today we ask you whether it is justifiable to raise taxes in time of war. please vote on youtube yes, no, or if you have your own opinion, please leave it in the comments under the video. if you watch us on tv pick up your smart phone or phone and vote if you think wartime tax increases are justified 0.800 211381 no 0800-211-382 all calls to these numbers are free vote at the end of the program we let's sum up the results of this vote. ihor romanenko, founder of

the charity fund "zakryye nebo ukraine", retired lieutenant general, former deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces ukraine, sir. generals, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, i congratulate you, first of all, tell me, for the last time, since our western partners announced that they are giving permission to strike their weapons on the territory of the russian federation, like this changed the course of the russian-ukrainian war and whether it changed the course of the ukrainian-russian war and most importantly, how it opens up prospects for us to create a buffer zone at the expense of russian territory. federation of the border or border to the ukrainian state? well , yes, we have not changed significantly yet, we are at the beginning this, then it is necessary'. and what did they provide, that is, the americans and the germans provided artillery at the level of up to 40 km, barrel artillery of haimarsey, in addition, the patriots on

the territory of the russian federation are still, and the americans gave this kind of permission, so when they set a record with 5 minutes of five-person aircraft, they definitely prohibited after that and threatened that, well... actually they did not supply us with missiles, for these complexes, the heaviest ones, we need missiles for anti-aircraft missile defense missile defense systems, so for it is not very significant, but the work on this continues, and there is a corresponding perspective, the russians are trying to draw new features around this, so, well, a threat. about the fact that they will create such buffer zones as in the kharkiv direction, in sumy and in chernihiv, here, well, here the americans, if they already take into account all this, go to

the meeting, so gradually, well, once they uttered the word victory for ukraine , it was very difficult, they were silent for two years, somehow they could not speak, and now they said that after all the goal of our joint actions is precisely the victory of ukraine, before that they... did everything to help the russian federation not to lose and ukraine not to win, and now somehow they are starting, maybe, but we are in our words, it is such a matter, they also help us they were taught, we taught them to pronounce ukrainian victory, they could not decide, not even like that, but now i think we will teach them to fundamentally change the strategy related to the provision of aid, that is, it must be modern, well, weapons , which are we are like that. but with a component modern, how are they trying to deliver it to taiwan, israel, that is, we were in this team, we waited for six months, but israel was also

helped during the pause by f-35s, this is far from f-16 and bombs of two types, but as for taiwan, their congressional security secretary mcfaul says that we will not help ukraine's old weapons, but we will be modern ones. here's your relationship. to ukraine, therefore, it is necessary to look at it, to approach it pragmatically and to increase efforts in relation to what is allowed to be filmed, let they take off everything in the 16th, they are there for six months, so they are the ones holding it, no one else, the problems were, are and will remain, when 10 planes, and 40, and 100, of these, they, because it is a war, but this it was necessary to start six months ago, first of all, to withdraw permits. for lifting bans on influenza, which are better for our conditions for the swedes, and not forbidding them, because the program interferes, because the f16 interferes, which still does not exist, what

is interfering with anyone, it prevents them from training our pilots, they train thousands, but for us it is 12 pilots themselves the problem of this denmark and romania are trying to do it and again they are banning it. also artificial ones are found in denmark, which is switching to f-35 training, that is why they cannot teach romania, they don’t know what to invent to slow down these processes by teaching, well, it’s like a petri dish, they have a dozen, but they can’t decide , where to take the second patriot, they tried to take their anti-aircraft missile system of the us army, the territorial one, which is in the poles' hands, on the poles, the decision of the american president. accepted, and president duda corrected him, said: "no, that will not happen." and it didn't happen. here you go relations between our allies, strategic and relation to ukraine in this

regard. on the night of june 18, mr. generals, there were explosions in the crimea. russian publications write about the fact that air defense was working, in particular in the kerch region. the crimean bridge was closed. aviation was lifted from belbek airfield. russians are almost never used. the crimean bridge for military logistics, the spokesman of the navy dmytro pletenchuk says about this, because that is why its destruction, it is implied, the crimean bridge would not have the same effect now, less than a quarter the total load is borne by this bridge, the rest goes along the ferry crossing, which was recently attacked, so this bridge is no longer of such tactical strategic importance after the damage it received as a result of the joint operation of the sbu and the navy from the attack. at the same time , frederik mertens, an analyst at the hague center for strategic studies , suggested in an interview with business insider

that regular strikes on... russian air defense in crimea. ukraine is preparing the ground for future airstrikes after the arrival of f-16 fighter jets. i will quote mr. mertens. crimea is vulnerable. the russians have relatively limited room for maneuver on the peninsula, and putin has a lot to lose, both politically and militarily. therefore, if a limited number of fighters can have a real impact, then it is here and over the black sea, which becomes fully accessible after the air defense problem in crimea is solved. sir but how do you predict the deployment of hostilities in crimea on the crimean peninsula, especially f-16 strikes on the military infrastructure, it is sufficiently ravaged and large in crimea, how quickly it can happen and what will we achieve the result? well, first of all, this is happening, with regard to the kerch bridge , it must be said that it is being exploited. in terms of

potential only by a quarter, but this does not mean that it is impractical to at least damage it in order to cut this logistical artery altogether, from the point of view of military and logistical violations, from the point of view one must have a political one, that is, what is this sacred meaning for putin , he must be prepared, because you see what statements he still makes, this special person must be beaten out of him, and because... that is important for all our ukrainian people to stop this illegally built bridge, but the question is, with smaller means, which we now have to use, including for forming, to close the sky over the temporarily occupied space over the crimean peninsula, and this is happening, as we see, b' location stations are being used,

anti-aircraft missile systems are being used. and the anti-aircraft complexes of the old park, let’s say, well, the c300, for sure, the c400 is a modernization, if they are not able to cope, for example, with work on ballistic attacks, it’s like tactical ballistics, missiles, and so on, but the russians react to it and they are launching a new s 500 triumph, in order to somehow react and shoot down, besides, these complexes are not seen, we strike with unmanned aerial vehicles, there is a small surface for reflecting energy, that is, it is inconspicuous, and therefore they get there with atakams and plus with our drones, the result is achieved, we further increase the potential of anti-aircraft anti-missile defense in crimea, for sure, well, not only in crimea, at some objects on the so-called continental part of the russian federation, but the topic of crimea is a separate strategic one, we

means the planned closing of the sky and the general transformation of this, as they say, the unsinkable aircraft carrier of the russians, or their fortress, means that if the aircraft carrier and the fortress must be ours, and we must work on this already this year, therefore, in the last year , significant changes and we had achievements at the strategic level at sea, and now this year, the year of strategic shifts in... and primarily over the crimean peninsula, but definitely necessary normalization at the front. thank you, mr. general, we must complete the program, that was it ihor romanenko, retired lieutenant general. friends, let's look at the interim results of the survey we are conducting today, whether it is justified to raise taxes during the war, please show 17% yes 83% no. after 15 minutes of bbc news,

we'll be back in the studio, we'll have mps. of ukraine, stay with espresso further. for the first time in 24 years , putin went to north korea to build ties and negotiate weapons. how could the talks in pyongyang affect the war in ukraine and can short-term agreements be reached? grow into long-term cooperation. let's try to figure it out in today's edition of the bbc. i am olga polomaryuk. persia needs weapons, korea needs technology, money. this is how experts briefly describe the purpose of vladimir putin's visit to north korea today. the fact that this trip will take place became clear after yemchynin traveled to russia in september of last year. you remember the armored train, the rich.