shmyhal is responsible for this, who hired him? i didn't take him there, i'm sorry, he was being cleaned, as they say, he snuck in and the entire government team is responsible for nayem and kubrakov, there is no one to point the finger at. thank you, mrs. galina, how do you perceive such words of mr. oleksiy, municipal authority is municipal responsibility, and in principle, if there is a question regarding the effective use, including of western funds, then obviously this is a question for your team. colleagues, i believe that in fact in any state they should check tools work, do anti-corruption bodies work effectively enough in ukraine? well, to be honest, i think that not everyone is. i personally have, for example, very big complaints against bebu, this bureau of economic security and arma, this agency for search and asset management. today, despite the fact that both bodies... technically belong to

this supposedly anti-corruption infrastructure, in my opinion they themselves suffer from corruption, so it is absolutely normal when allies allocating great resources, enormous resources, and there is great debate in their countries about the allocation of these resources, especially in the states, especially in the run-up to the presidential elections in the states, when the congress or rather certain, let's say, forces in the congress... prefer to spend more of the american resource precisely to solve internal american problems, but nevertheless they allocate tens of billions of dollars for military and financial aid to ukraine, they want to control this process, including in order to to report to their voters why they sent american taxpayers' money to help ukraine. after all, i'm more than sure that the presence... the active

presence here of our western allies can only benefit us, why? because we spend a lot of effort, a lot of resources in order to communicate the real current situation in ukraine, what the racists are doing, what war crimes they are committing, what other international laws they are violating, but when and and in fact, all these western er western summits such as the peace summit, such as the big conference, the ukrainian conference on reconstruction, which was in berlin last week, these are all efforts , among other things, to coordinate the efforts of our allies and to inform, but when they themselves are proactively interested in , in order to actually be in ukraine and control, including the aid provided, it can be political for us, i think it will only be useful, because they will be aware of what is happening, moreover, i

want to tell you that in fact, from my experience communication with many congressmen and representatives of the american government, the more deeply a person is informed about the internal situation in ukraine, the more he becomes an ally of ukraine, for example, i want to recall from such relatively recent, well , six months, but for american politics, these are relatively recent events, when ... six months ago , a new speaker of the congress was elected from the republicans, he was considered sufficiently anti-ukrainian, he did not previously support, as a congressman, various issues and initiatives related to ukraine, but as soon as he became the speaker, as soon as various security services of america began to inform him about the current situation in ukraine, he significantly, let's say, revised his own. reviews, so i personally am not

that i am not worried, i may even be happy about the increased attention and presence of our western allies here. thank you, ms. halyna, god forbid, of course, that our western allies and allies and western partners ignore the statements and demarches, well, including mustafa nayem, because before the conference with restoration of ukraine, well, it looked, let's say, very, very strange, obviously. the point should be made by the parliamentary special commission, about which, the temporary special commission that mr. oleksiy is talking about, because it is not at all clear to me who is right and who is wrong in this situation, and exactly who will be targeted our western partners for the prime minister or for mustafa nayem, well , frankly speaking, i don't understand, let's talk more, please, i think that actually, colleagues, it's funny. comment whether there will be western ones

allies to focus on mustafa nayem or the prime minister, because in the end there is a certain in , including in western diplomacy, in world diplomacy. a certain subordination and orientation to political positions, this is the first thing, and secondly, mr. oleksiy here talked about the fact that mustafa was fired, well, literally today i reviewed his recent status, where he noted that he resigned of his own free will, it was actually actually more of his initiative and to be honest i can understand him, meaning he was comfortable working with the previous minister of infrastructure by oleksandr kubrakov, who invited him to this position, with whom... they obviously had a good partnership working relationship, and since it is now more than obvious that kubrakov will not be appointed to the position of minister of infrastructure, another candidacy is being considered, and perhaps if not this plenary week, then next

this personnel appointment will be made, then maybe, even this was an absolutely and logical decision on the part of mustafa nayem. thank you, thank you, mrs. halyna, so that i can now, mr. oleksiy, mr. oleksiy, i will give you my word now so that you do not think my comment is ridiculous, i will tell you that i have already come across publications in the western press about the démarche of mustafa nayem, he did not resign of his own free will, he made a political démarche, and this political démarche was on the eve of the berlin meeting, regarding the restoration of ukraine, this is the first, and second, the team of kubrakov and naim was clearly ee... let's say this, trained to work with western companies, the event by representatives of western countries, including the united states america, well, as far as i know, mr. oleksiy, please know, let’s have this kindergarten, which was in the 20th year, when wonderful girls and boys put on white t-shirts,

ran around the hall in the verkhovna rada, i have the right to be wrong , what kind of kindergarten are you offering us here, a person sat for 2.5 years, tens of billions of hryvnias... spent on key objects of energy security, key infrastructure objects and so on, it is absolutely not clear what is with this protection, frozen tens of billions of hryvnias, fortifications, we understand what a scandal is, and now the boy wrote a statement, the boy took it and left, and who will let him go so easily, i guarantee you, whether you want to blink or not, we will insist on the results of the audit of the accounting chamber. we are made public, and accordingly, i guarantee you that this will be a very serious matter both for the investigative bodies and for the political assessment of the personnel policy of the current team, no childhood is over, what a childhood, war, thank you, mr. oleksiy, let's put an end to this topic, we will wait for

the results of the investigation, and then we will to speak with the results of this investigation into the activities of the agency for the reconstruction of ukraine. another topic, ladies and gentlemen, is the actual presence of a large fifth column in ukrainian politics in the form of opzh throughout the country , more than 4,000 deputies were elected to local self-government bodies, in 2020 the entire faction of opzh was repainted, sits in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and here medvedchuk makes a statement, an appeal to putin, the leader of this entire force, as what actually... remains in ukrainian politics at various levels regarding the fact that putin, if not zelensky, will not agree to the so-called peace plan, that putin should occupy odesa and generally show the neo-nazi regime, as medvedchuk says, where the crayfish hibernate. why, mrs. viktoria, in your

opinion, opzh is still present in ukrainian politics, in particular in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, as my colleagues from the committee of voters of ukraine say, 30 people. there in various positions in parliamentary committees, deputy chairmen, secretaries of parliamentary committees, why does it happen that their leader calls for the destruction of ukraine, and they sit in the ukrainian government? i i can be very brief here, as mr. oleksiy kocherenko urges me, you know, they are very comfortable, they are hostages, they are actually hostages of the authorities today, and the authorities are using them in order to... well, so to speak, plug the holes in the , when they lack some votes there for the most scandalous bills, and this is just an objective reality, because if there was a political will to get rid of this fifth column, it would get rid of it, but instead, i regularly meet these people not only in the corridors , and

even there in the higher reception halls, which are simple come out of the offices of the heads of the country, and it simply says... that these people are unfailing, it was very funny to me to watch how they cheered for the english language in ukrainian cinemas and for money to be paid from the ukrainian... budget cinemas, so that english is broadcast there, well, it is simply so inconsistent with everything that these people have been doing there for more than 30 years in the ukrainian state, that it is obvious that today they are simply extremely convenient, and the political will to get rid of this fifth column of it on pity no, because if they wanted to in the kyiv regional council, then they got rid of them there, after the party was banned, they simply accepted the regulatory norm that they do not participate in meetings, similar regulatory things could be... in the verkhovna rada as well, but , well, there is no such desire, convenient partners. thank you.

thank you. the head of the committee of voters of ukraine, oleksiy koshel, believes that the people's deputies of ukraine from opzh in leading positions in parliamentary committees and groups on inter-parliamentary relations with other countries are a threat to national security. i will quote oleksiy koshelya. greenhouse conditions have been created for deputies from the ex-opzh in the parliament, but the retention of leadership positions by deputies of banned... russian parties is not only a matter of political responsibility, primarily a matter of national security, but the very complex relations of ukraine with hungary and china may also depend from the work or complete lack of work of groups on inter-parliamentary relations, which are headed by people from medvedchuk's closest circle. mrs. galina, why does your faction not insist that these 30 opz deputies, who remain in leadership positions in the parliament, at least to be deprived of their positions. in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, i am not saying, nullify their powers. serhii, i thank you very much for

your question, because i am obviously the person to whom this question should be asked, because, in addition, i am the author of draft law number 9081, which not only proposes to remove opzzhe from politics, from ukrainian politics, but ban them from any participation in politics for the next 10 years, this is a so-called law. the anti-kremlin lustration project, it was registered by me a year and a half ago, we the committee headed by olena shulyak, who, after the beginning of the already full-scale invasion, declared that she constructively cooperates with the opz, and it is obvious that there are the greatest difficulties with the implementation of this bill, when the head of the specialized committee constructively cooperates with, in fact: this fifth column and prevents the adoption of this bill, but in general i want to tell you, colleagues, that

the presence of pro-russian forces in the ukrainian parliament, whether they were called the party of regions, whether they were later called opzh, or now they are called some different parliamentary groups, this is a decade-long crime, decades, because the war did not start two years ago, not 2.5, it started. in the 14th year, and it was obvious to everyone what caused the first, actually, as it were, the tragic deaths of the celestial hundred right in the center of kyiv, then what caused it and who caused it, who prepared the groundwork for the actual occupation of parts of the donetsk and luhansk regions and annexation crimea, therefore, from my point of view, this draft law is the author, the main author and... the ideological inspiration who i am, let me remind you of number 9081, it seems to me

that it is not only long overdue, but that it should have been properly adopted 10 years ago, only, alas, then i was not a people's deputy, now that i i am a people's deputy, and i can influence ukrainian politics by virtue of my modest capabilities, i do it. thank you, mrs. galina, mr. oleksiu, please, i have your permission so that we don't talk there. about their wonderful bills, because there is such a parliamentary tactic: one person registers a bill there, then the whole life tells how this draft law was not voted on, he votes for it, i vote for the majority in the first place, because without it no law can be voted on, that is why i analyzed the situation carefully and with specialists, there is no need for any draft law, just change the rules of the regulations in order to deprive the right to be in the hall. and the whole issue is resolved. sergey, don't pay attention to these committees of theirs, it's an extra 100-200 to the payroll,

but they can't do anything in the committees there by themselves. they are in the hall of 35 votes, i track every vote, because it is mine helpers keep track. every scandalous vote of this kind, where the servants of the people do not have enough votes, because they have been divided for a long time, 35 votes from the opzh are added to all the scandalous ones. voting and they get their 250, 255 votes in the hall as a result, and this is their key, a diamond, you understand, they polish this diamond, this... group of 35 votes of opz deputies, they are called prisoners of war, because they do not have even, they have to sit and press the buttons for all the bills that the office of the president requires in the first place, so it is absolutely transparent question, there is no need here , there cannot be any other version, they are needed,

you understand, because if they were not there, then it would be necessary to argue. discuss with the eu, with the motherland, and then there would really be a lot of completely anti-ukrainian laws, they would not have passed in this version, with such amendments, with such nuances in the verkhovna rada, as they passed with the help of 35 votes, the magic couple, diamt , that is, they are hostages of the current government, that's right, well, you understand what they were told, or you vote for each draft law, or we open cases for each of you, nationalize, kill, arm, decision, sanctions and all that other stuff, they looked at their own, understood how it would end, well, nestor shufrych is already being accused of treason , he is sitting sizo, as far as i understand, there is already a precedent, a prime example, sergey, this is just a demonstration of what will happen to anyone who

simply refuses to comply, in fact, i think, in fact, i hope that we will wait after all . the decision on opzzh because this issue has to be resolved one way or another, no can people who represent a party banned in ukraine sit and pass laws, it breaks the whole structure, this morality of the government, you see, you can’t vote with your enemies on 95% of your laws, it’s immoral, it’s cynical in general, you know, that’s what we’re talking about it is said, mrs. halyna, look, one could ask a rhetorical question here, what... did the batkivshchyna faction, what did the eu faction do in order to expel the oppositionists from the council, but i have another question, i will not ask this question, i i will ask a question, and whether do you think that these pro-russian traitors should continue to influence politics in ukraine even after the victory, after the war, and what is your position regarding

the anti-kremlin lustration, i am very interested to hear it and i am very interested to follow, will you vote specifically you, thank you, follow, you follow everything, you follow everything, well, you have doubts that we will vote for the lustration of the fifth column, well, with opzzh, well, seriously, well, this is a question for me, i count on your need, well it just sounds funny, but honestly, you know we are now we are saying absolutely true, fair things, now what we have been doing, we have 27 people, yes, we are constantly talking about the need to pass a law banning the moscow church, we are collecting signatures. uh, so far , mono, the majority did not put these signatures , you are saying that i personally signed them, yes , yes, but nevertheless, the bill was not introduced this week, the parliament will not work for the next two weeks. i understand that's why they changed this one

our schedule, that we are meeting not in a week, not in two, already in three, precisely in connection with the fact that... in order not to put it on the agenda for consideration, who is lobbying for this issue, sometimes not novinsky generally hires these lobbyists, who preach in washington that they are going to ban christianity in ukraine, that is , they are real enemies of the state, and there is a full toolkit of influence, and we have been pretending for a year and a half that we do not need this bill, it something is shaking somewhere, but it is shaking, it actually undermines only that... in reality, these are the tools of russia's influence, nothing more, everything will depend on the government there in general, then you read it and knew it, so you know, well, you don't need to appeal to our position , you don't need to appeal to the opposition, there should be more political will here, unequivocal questions, we will vote for your draft law . satisfied, mrs. viktoria, let's follow some kind of regulation, 10 seconds, i insist once again, don't be offended by mrs.

galina, the first lustration, definitely, we definitely need to give a political assessment, the only thing... alina, i will remind you parliamentary arithmetic, it's not us, there are 264 people, the majority, which, without which you can't vote for anything, you don't know that, you don't know, you, you are in the fifth year in the parliament, you don't know parliamentary arithmetic, so excuse me, let's do not speculate, your excellent bill, i personally would be happy to vote for it, but i emphasize once again, the presence of 35 of those 40 enemies of ukraine in the hall completely breaks the system. managing the country, you see, it destroys absolutely any moral values, which are not necessary at all is now speaking about the draft law on'. come on, it's called the ban on the moscow church, it's about anti-ukrainian organizations there, and so on and so forth. i do not understand why it is not in the hall until now, it has long been ready for the second

reading, please bring it in, and everything will be clear there. what kind of ritualistic dances have been going on around him in recent months, thank you, mr. oleksiy, i hope that your draft law, ms. galina, will be voted on, because, well, this is the question , we need to put an end to this story. because it is difficult to imagine the future of ukraine in a different way, well, accept it and it would be easier for everyone to live , yes, yes, yes. one more question, rather short, regarding our prospects in nato. the secretary general of the north atlantic alliance, jen stoltenberg , said that ukraine will immediately become a member of nato, after the war with russia is completely finished, and not frozen. let's listen to what stoltenberg said. ukraine will become a member of the alliance. when we will have a consensus, when all the allies will agree, because as you know, decisions on enlargement are being made by consensus, it is not enough that

a majority of nato allies are in favor of an invitation, we need all allies to agree, and let me add one more thing about membership: no one knows when or how the hostilities in ukraine will end, but when they will , we must be sure... that this is peace and not just a pause before another russian attack. mrs. galina, the secretary general of nato said that no one knows when the hostilities in ukraine will end and how they will end, or does this mean that the alliance allows that this war will not end in favor of ukraine? i'm a colleague, i'll allow myself a bit of criticism. of the previous speaker, let's call him that. in fact, it seems to me that it is more like a statement than an excuse, that is, it is not clear when the war will end.

in fact, there are very simple conditions under which everything will become absolutely clear, this is the rapid rapid provision of military assistance in full, which ukraine is talking about, that is, the accelerated provision of f-16s of those who were able. to change the situation on the front line, in particular, it would be able to become an effective countermeasure to these otkabs, who drop on our de facto defenders on the front line from russian planes, it is the provision of long-range missiles in sufficient numbers, and specific, let's say, specific missiles, in particular, i am talking now about the german taurus, which could help us successfully carry out the operation on the destruction of the kerch bridge, therefore... these are statements that it is not clear when the war will end, and moreover, it is necessary to wait until the war is completely over, and not a certain freeze, so that

to consider the issue of ukraine's admission to nato, it looks more like such refusals and like questions, like actually prolonging the issue, so i personally am not very happy with such statements, and in my opinion, they are rather a manifestation of indecision and weakness on the part of individual officials. thank you. mr. oleksiy, why is nato so careful, or rather the secretary general of nato, because the secretary general of nato is a functionary of the alliance, and the countries, the leaders of the countries that are part of the north atlantic alliance, decide? therefore, therefore, well, well, therefore, well, it's not such a simple situation, believe me, i don't want to type now balls there in front of the audience to tell in nato, we all see everything with our own eyes. i, unfortunately, i am not, unfortunately,... optimistic about the timing of our entry into nato, i understand this situation, how global it is, and they, their diplomacy, they are trying

anyway, we have this perspective, so to speak, to feed on one's own, but i definitely do not like this situation, but i am simply stating pragmatically, in this regard, i am not optimistic that this issue will be resolved quickly, unfortunately, it is absolutely, definitely not... removes from the agenda the question of weapons, weapons, weapons, and once again, weapons, this is the key factor of assistance and stabilization and indeed victory in this war on the conditions of ukraine, there is no other. thank you, ms. victoria, bad statements, yes, have been made recently, i think that this is a mistake actually by nato, because, you know, putin is clearly voicing his demand, ukraine should not be. in nato, and with such statements they actually help him, because just accepting ukraine into nato, even within the controlled borders, would be a defeat.

putin it is obvious that it simply would not have any meaning, ah, to wage this war, because i am convinced that this is not a war for territories, it is a war for geopolitics, it is a war for the right of russia to decide what kind of international union it should be. and here it is very unfortunate that our allies do not fully understand this, or they are simply afraid, obviously afraid, afraid to participate in a war with... nuclear russia, and as we know, from the experience of world history, the weakness of the allies , well, it definitely never led to victory, i just looked to the statement of the serbian president, who said that in the next 34 months, in the next 3-4 months , there may be significantly more intense confrontation and the number of conflicts, which means that russia continues to play on its...

aggravation of the situation in various parts of the world, and it can be dangerous, thank you, victoria syumar, halyna yanchenko and oleksiy kucherenko, were guests of our program today, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in the program, i would like to remind you that during the entire broadcast we conducted a survey, we asked you today, friends about whether it is justified raising taxes during the war, let's look at the final results of our television poll, 17% yes, 83% no. i put an end to this, it was a program. verdict viewers serhiy rudenko, come to our program tomorrow at 20:00, i will be waiting for you with our guests and with new topics, take care of yourself and your loved ones, goodbye, tingling, numbness or creeping ants in the limbs arise spontaneously and are disturbing you, a special complex of active substances

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