side, at the same time they are against the strengthening of mobilization, what does this mean, who should make what conclusions, we will talk about this today in svoboda live, my name is vlasta lazur. this year's mobilization campaign split ukrainian society, the british bbc service also writes about it. the author of the publication, jean mckenzie, visited odesa, where, among other things, he noticed that the so-called mobilization squads, well, ttsk employees have a terrible reputation in the city, in particular , because they pull people out of the bus. and train stations and deliver them directly to the shopping center. straight language. the topic of mobilization permeates almost every conversation, which then often becomes heated. last month, someone threw explosives into the yard of the military central committee. there is a striking lack of confidence among the men who choose not to serve. they do not trust the officers because some of them took bribes to help the men escape the country. they also do not believe that they will receive the appropriate training. is it possible?

it was possible to avoid this split, which arose against the background of the strengthening of the law on mobilization, we will also talk about this later. at the same time we have current news on the topic of mobilization. as of today, an electronic military registration document is in effect in ukraine. what does it mean? well, the ministry of defense assures that from now on men are not obliged to carry paper documents with them, but can present them in electronic form. the electronic military registration document is already available in the plus reserve, and in order to receive it, you need to log in to the application and update it. its data, deputy minister of defense for digitalization kateryna chornogorenko reported. the emergence of a digital accounting document compared to the launch of the future, but not all users of the reserve plus application felt the arrival of the future. directly under chornogorenko's post on facebook, people complained today that their application was not working. there is no version update on android. it was nice to update some data, the data was now incomplete in the application. that you are not

found in the register of charms, and if no one around you has the same data, then you need to carry a real paper military id or something? damn, i passed the vlk, there is a delay, but there is no info in the application, you have to go to the tcc. just because you launched evot for iphones does n't mean you launched it. when you start on android, then write about availability. 80% of our users are sitting on androids, so it's still a false start. it does not work on androidd, a real movie, i have the second group of disability since 1995, an injury during service in the armed forces, at one time the military did not put a stamp that i was excluded from the register, they poked it, although there are other records about the injury in the military. in 2022 , he personally came to his tsc, passed vlk, apparently the hand will grow again, they put a stamp and wrote that i was excluded, since the fall of 22, a couple of summonses came, i put a reserve plus somewhere on may 20. there, i

applied for registration after about a week to my tcc again with all the documents, which corrected my data in the security, pasted the barcode in the military, the documents were accepted and apologized, today i updated the reserve plus, i am a military member, and again tcc dear, thank you for work, everything works, not available on android, update for now, congrats, deploy new version from app in in the markets will happen gradually... please wait a little while it will appear in the near future. no qr code. just uninstalled and reinstalled the app on android and still no qr code. you know, it feels like a spaceship is standing somewhere next to a stone age dugout, where the natives of the village have gathered and are deciding whether to fly into space or cook and eat one of the inhabitants. our broadcast was joined by oleg dunda, people's deputy of ukraine, servant faction. people and also with us peter kuzyk,

the claimant apostle, the commander of the third battalion of the rubizh offensive brigade, gentlemen, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, good day, oleg, let's start with you, because petro is already in the army, how do you evaluate the digitization of mobilization, your applications are working, i managed to update the data to reserve plus, well, i managed to upgrade to reserve plus, but i still need to go to cska, because there is not enough data there, so i will stay on track in the near future. we are in the shopping center, that is, digitalization did not work or what? look, well, it’s impossible for everything to happen at once, 30 years before that we had a completely soviet system, and for everything to happen at once got to the base, i would, i would be surprised if it was realized, that, but the fact that now for the last three months in the ministry of defense, the ministry of defense is going through such a very fast process of digitalization, this is confirmed to me not only in the central committee and the fact that we see, directly the ministry of defense, what we taught. let me remind you, the digitalization process

started in 2019, look, it didn't start everywhere, the ministry of defense, unfortunately, it started literally two months ago, mrs. vlasta, it's clear, peter, to you. questions, how, what you can tell about the work of the law on strengthening mobilization in the first month, today, in fact, a month, how it works, we have already put you on the air several times, we talked, discussed the work of the tsc, discussed all these complaints, can you give such a preliminary conclusion from what you observe around you? well , it seems to me that it is too early to give any objective assessments, because... a month, so far, well, i have not observed any results, except for panic among the population, so far there are no improvements, well , i think it is connected with what you need to enter into action, these rules of the game are there so that they work, and so on, i am very optimistic

about this, because i am tired of my pessimism, tired of talking about problems, about deficits. about about everything everything everything, but i will tell you frankly that there are additional problems caused by this law, for example, according to the law, now there recruits have to pass the kmb in the centers, accordingly there have already been cases when recruits came choosing specific units, in which they want, they got to the kmb, everything was fine, and then they were taken to other units, without asking, simply because, firstly, there is such an uh unspoken competition between units for replenishment, and secondly, uh, well, so to speak, they take it to where it is hot, needs replenishment, uh -er,

that is, if i understood correctly, that is , a person plans to go, relatively speaking, to one unit, to one brigade, agrees on it, and takes it away. send to another or what? well, yes, these cases now need to be polished, they already have a place, we paid attention to them, i think they can be polished, that's why i said that more is needed time, they can be polished at the departmental level, or some legislative amendment can be formed, but nevertheless now it is a problem, well, as a problem, it is not because of some intrigues and so on, i understand why this happens, for example , there is a brigade that needs to go out and carry out tasks, it is very acutely concerned with the issue of personnel replenishment , and they turn to the management there , and no one asks these guys there, there they need to replenish 500 people there,

they gathered from educational centers 500 and sent to where it is urgently needed, and the opinion of the cadet himself, the recruit himself there... and it has always been like that, it has always been like that, or did it manifest itself on a larger scale now exactly during the last month? well, unfortunately, it has manifested itself now, because, if everyone expected that the flow of recruits would increase, according to the law, when it will work, everything... they were hiding for replenishment, and such a time has come again, before it was simply difficult , because it was filled exclusively with volunteers, exclusively with those who went there on a specialty, i am talking about our units, i can't speak for everyone there, but nevertheless, there were simply much fewer

people, so at the beginning, it was a crazy flow, there were queues in my unit as well. they demanded weapons there, they wanted to protect, then the situation changed, uh, and the enemy country started working there with their ipso, and our representatives of the tsk started doing stupid things, and the officials got involved, i already said that someone there committed a misdemeanor, they say, oh, we will send you to the front, thereby replacing the very duty, the sacred duty of protecting ukraine, for some kind of atonement. olezhe, and that's it miserly gave the result that people became afraid to go and serve. olezhe, to mr. deputy, then i have a question: react, and how does it turn out that it seems that they wanted the best, it turned out as usual, well, from peter’s words, at least i drew such a conclusion, well, in

this case, peter answered you about the fact that sometimes arises in individual brigades, accordingly, the need to have personnel, accordingly, in order for us to be capable, they need to be replenished, and sometimes such questions arise, by the way, not only peter has already spoken about this, in the last week, there were many statements about this and there were even tips, if a person wants to get into that unit... which he considers necessary and expedient for himself before, let's say, visiting the tsc, you need to talk to them immediately and volunteer in this particular unit to go, and not after that, but the employees of the tsc, they are determined to listen, that is, to the person who got to them and to listen to his wishes, if the documents got to him, the person accordingly goes with the documents of the corresponding unit, she will direct, but when the person got first to tsc, and then i started thinking... where to improve, the scheme, the scheme is a little bit different, but our direct goal is that,

in principle, we do not have such units that are much better or much worse, we most likely have there should be a situation where the average, more or less, attitude towards people should be the same, and not the way it happens, then let's talk about the attitude towards people on radio liberty, a lot of citizens contact our mail, tell their stories, how they mobilized and... they talk about their experience of meeting with tsk employees, and this is how one man, his name is oleksandr, spoke, and he said that even before the full-scale invasion , he left to live in the united states, but on april 24th he returned, and in particular, because his mother has the second group of disability, and he just, i hope, our guests can hear me now, he just told us that he updated the data through the reserve plus, he was not in the search, he did everything as the state said, and from his words exactly... issued a postponement due to the disability of his mother, and here he is with his wife we went to yaremche, where three people in military

uniform took him to the tcc in the city of nadvirna, and now i suggest to all of you, gentlemen , to listen to this story, and then we will continue, that is, i provide these documents, they check, immediately laugh about the reserves plus, they say you can keep it, we have some kind of database, we have our own database for you, they show me. some kind of screenshot from your phone, not a screenshot, it is not clear that the part of the screen where the accounting error is written is right opposite it, okay, with we got in the car and drove in an unknown direction, the following happens, there is some kind of military building on the territory of the house, which is fenced off by a fence, they tell us... they are taking me out, well, i say go in there, i say, i am detained, someone answers me, no, you are not

detained, that's what i say, i can leave, no, you can't, you need to clarify the data, special people will come, they will clarify everything, sort everything out, then they will tell you, wait, wait, i say, on what grounds i am waiting here, on on what grounds am i here, where is the detention protocol, dear, you are not detained, just wait. so i call the police, the police team comes, the police look at this, this, look at this, everything and take a statement, and instead of stopping a clear offense that they are witnessing, they are, they just take the statements and they are leaving, and we continue to be detained in the same way, i could, have, had, have the right to write a refusal to pass the train. at that address and pass it at the place of my registration, i

demanded from them from the beginning, when i got there, for which, well, they just laughed at me face, they said that you are fooling around here, let's go, you will pass everything now, you need to bypass this letter, you will pass, you will see everything, you will pass, if you refuse, other processes will be launched and... they are positioning themselves, we are all military, we have an order that you are telling us about some legal norms there or something about some rights, there is a war in the country, just everyone, as if on a caprice, there is a war in the country tui khilyan, what are you doing here to me you tell, come on, come on, come on, come on, you saw this story, then i have one thing in common with you question, what to do with it? how to build trust in tcc employees, because this is only one example, one story, in fact

, there are many such stories when tcc employees violate men's rights in whole or in part during detention. peter, let's start with you. good question. there is no such recipe in such a difficult situation, you know, you can talk in slogans, i am about... i planned to replace the current employees of the tsk, among whom there are few real officers, but they are there, it must be admitted, but 90. of them are drones , who never did anything, who profited from these processes, and now they are unprofessionally trying to fulfill the serious tasks, and why do you say 90, it seems there was a whole wave of replacing old tsc employees with people who were at the front, served , were injured and they had

to replace, so to speak, the previous employees of tsk, and there were even statements that there was an update of almost 50%. happened, then it didn't happen or what? in my opinion , it did not happen when it was filled with people, well, let's say, who really fought, and this can be qualified as not just military or military, but there, and this is already a person formed by the worldview of a defender, he will never relate to the civilian population, as we do, well, that's how i see it from the new. by the way, i’m not there, i’m a witness to civilian life, but what some representatives of the tsk do, it seems to me that sometimes they work, specially perform some task in order to intimidate the population, when it is filled with real veterans, in which there is an understanding, there will be completely different processes, in principle, what i understand is that the task of the cec -

this is accounting and reporting, and not in any case a hunt for people, for... there is, i mean, if there are malicious detractors there, the police and other bodies should work there, and the tcc, well, a completely different task, and the second , please note that the concept has been changed in our country, maybe the enemy tried there too, but i think that we ourselves, well, we ourselves, this is the whole country, not you and me, instead of forming the concept that... well, we have to, the war has come and we need to replenish the ranks of defenders, and we have a super frightened population, which is still in its infancy were rushing, standing in lines of soldiers, now these people have disappeared, and this narrative that all of them, the first wave was there, they all laid down, no, no, no, it is not true, most likely their

attitude has changed, and most likely the reason for this there are also... and the employees of the tsc and all jointly responsible institutions that should organize propaganda in the good sense of this word protection, so far we have received a history that is completely negative, and if this does not end, believe that the people of ukraine have absolutely the attitude towards people in uniform will change, uh, that's right, and how is it dangerous, if full, what does it mean? the attitude towards people in uniform will change completely, well, they will begin to perceive them not as protectors, they will begin to perceive them as a threat, just like sometimes, when you walk around a peaceful city in uniform, some people thank me, and others, well, men may even run away from me there, or go

to the other side of the street, because they think that i will serve them summonses there, roughly speaking. unfortunately, i have encountered this, yes, i would like, if possible, to ask a question to the people's deputy, already, already, look, i understand what if, maybe a bit banal, well, from the point of view of an infantryman, yes, there, not a general, but almost an ordinary infantryman, i wanted to ask, there are large clusters of people, security forces, for example, the police, 300,000 of them , could it be possible to make an amendment in this law that partially 30% for a rotation period, at least for six months or 3 months, policemen, people who know what weapons are, who took an oath, who are a force block, would fill the ranks of the armed forces and the national guard, including

30% of the total number of policemen, this there are more than 100,000, this... would currently reduce the need for the work of the ccc by 100,000 percent, well, imagine the same situation there with the employees of customs, the prosecutor's office and other paramilitary and law enforcement agencies, state institutions, or why they don't pay attention to mobilization in the first place on veterans who, well, the same police or military veterans who went there for 35-40 years to... now even at the draft age can fight, i repeat again, they know what an oath is, service to ukraine, they know what a weapon is, your question is clear, come on oleg, you can, i think answer. look, then let's start from the end, the army, those veterans who retired after, well, prematurely, ah, who were there in the service in the armed forces of ukraine, the police,

they still have military obligations, military obligations ized, accordingly, their tcc has the right and obligation to call and stand up for registration, and accordingly, if they have a vision that they should serve, they should serve, they will all go to serve, that is , they do not have a reservation, they are not. .. not a military obligee, that is, there are no questions here at all, i have several acquaintances, by the way, whom i met recently, who literally retired there a few days ago, accordingly , in the near future they will be in the tsk and will go to the armed forces where they will be sent, this is firstly about the police and others other law enforcement bodies, as far as i remember well , so that i am not mistaken, it seems that only 50% of the reservation is distributed to them, that is , all the other 50%, 90, depending on the authorities, there are some 50, some 70, some 90 , but in principle they can be sent like peter says, and there were many proposals regarding

this from the people's deputies, as far as i know, there are a large number of the same policemen, they are now serving, including in the ranks of the national guard, that is, in one form or another, it is carried out in the same way as he proposed, mr. peter, not quite like that, i am not complaining, i am appealing. to your attention, that these are hundreds of thousands of people who are capable of fighting, that is, they do not need to be retrained and so on, then there are excellent representatives of the police in my unit, who voluntarily mobilized, whether they came in contract and are fighting well, it's just a matter of fact, why are we running after people who don't want to fight, if we have an essentially ready army, i 'll just add, i'm here, taking advantage of your moment for... question, to announce that we have recorded a large an interview with the minister of internal affairs igor klymenko, i asked him this question, i think we will show this interview tomorrow the day after tomorrow, but you

peter asked, i think also a philosophical one, i would like to add here, mr. peter, i asked about , that those who have the desire should fight, he said, why we should run for by people who do not want, and this is the burden that then falls on the shoulders of the commanders, yes, because unmotivated people come. they don't know what to do with them, unmotivated people, look, what, why do you find it funny, well, well, it's true, lady lasta, if you let me finish, i'll finish, ok, please, thank you ah, we have, we have now, for the last month, a very interesting picture that many people who, they did not run away from subpoenas, they waited until the subpoena was not issued, due to this draft law, the law that was passed, they are the last month showed their good will. and many go to csk and many are mobilized, in fact they are volunteers, that is, i would say this is the second wave, which means a lot, we don’t know how many, let’s face it, we don’t know the number, we

don’t know, ms. vasta, can i finish, of course, but i'm just correcting you, when you say a lot, we can't name the number, look, maybe i'll finish, i'm asking for time, if, if we don't know some number, then what, keep quiet, don't talk about it, well, ma'am, please , well, let's not distort the fact by concluding on this many of us actually have a second wave of people who are mobilizing, but this does not change what we need, this is my personal opinion, not as a representative of the servant of the people faction, we should change the system of mobilization, in fact we should segment the sectors of the ukrainian economy, decide by business entities, to decide on those that are necessary for the victory of ukraine during this war. accordingly, we should be in each segment. decide on that, with that amount of percentage, from which, percentage of those of people who can be mobilized, according to each enterprise , a quota for mobilization must be proven, the directors

of enterprises must decide on the number of whom they consider appropriate to mobilize, bring this data to the ccc, respectively, on the basis of these databases, respectively the itc state can mobilize people without grabbing them on the street and do so. system, and this is the implementation of such a scheme, it is a matter of time, so that i apologize, and people calmly walk on the street, and we are a mobilization planner, i apologize, sir hunda, well, look, if even now they implement, if they implement what you said, it does not remove the issue of mobilization from a potentially mobilized man, come on, now the ukrainian media, too, ms. lazar, it removes the issue of mobilization, it solves the issue of motivations , not mobilization. motivation is decided at the expense, panel, motivation is decided at the expense of the encouragement that is the state today, it is not small, let's be honest, i know many examples, in fact.

when fighters receive not only their family, but own and parents at the expense of the money they receive, you agree with what oleg says, mrs. lazar, i won't finish, no, well, let's give a word, you named the specifics, mrs. lazar, well, look, we are talking about freedom of speech, ms. petro said, you have never interrupted him, well , i’m sorry, well, it’s a fact, you can rewatch this broadcast, i’ll finish literally in a minute, so in closing, i have many examples when my friends who are fighting, for example , near volchansk, receive their... families receive even their parents at the expense of those the money they get on the front lines. i know some examples, for example, i recently spoke with fast, when people who were demobilized due to the fact that he has a fourth child there, and he wants to return due to the fact that he has such funds, how will he receive on the eve of nowhere to get maybe his wife, who tried to get him out with a report, is now thinking about whether to give him permission to return to the armed forces and continue

to defend his country and get it. the motivation he got before he came back, you're talking about, i'm generalizing i'm summarizing, sorry, we also have time , we have enough motivation, you think that the financial support that we have now, it can be a motivation, to summarize what you said, it is enough, and enough, peter, and that's enough, it can be a motivation, no, a short answer, but a very concise one, yes, i still have one opinion about you, but mr. peter has one opinion, those acquaintances with whom i talked have another opinion, that's normal. allow me, then i will expand my opinion, expand, unfortunately, i did not remember the name of the dear mr. peter, we have been on the air many times together with you and discussed even before the big time , mr. oleg, i'm sorry, three concussions have a little effect, it's not because of the desire to do badly, but you are talking about funds. and

you say that this is a motivation, it is not true to say the least, firstly, if we are talking about soldiers lying on the contact line, no amount of money can compensate those risks, how much is a soldier's leg torn off, or how much is the risk death, the first, the second, maybe you don't know, i'll tell you what for innovations, a soldier who fights... er, on the line of the window directly in the trench, receives extra payments, conditionally, well, large, although it’s funny for me to call it large, but a soldier cannot be 24x7 all the time, he must be taken away at least once every two weeks, washed and give them at least two or three days to sleep, and when i take them away, they no longer receive these large funds, for example, special forces stormtroopers, they

storm every day, they... a week or two, then they do the work there in a day- two and leave again, pulling out their wounded, they also, well, according to you and the deputies , only those who are directly on the line of contact get approved by these rules, for example, those who are in the security zone, there are large-caliber guns there and so on, there is work, they don’t get it either, this is the first aspect, well, to be fair, the second... petro kuzik, yes, yes, you are, you appeared, the second moment, i don't know how in other units, i know, well, why am i holding back, there almost along the entire line, soldier this salary is missing, literally for the first week, ago what an aggressive environment, i'm talking about units that fight directly, like mine,

the uniform deteriorates, tears. it burns, burns, constantly breaks down, well, literally everything from cars to that, cars need to be repaired, if through state bodies, months, if not, we reset ourselves and, because we have to drive the bull, because we have to drive, take out the wounded, because we have to have these freelancers means, from drones, to antennas, to, to, to the most necessary, everything... the soldier himself, i am not talking about the fact that he received a machine gun from the state, if he wants to install a collimator or i put a handle on this machine, he buys it himself, the expenses, the salary, that sum is allocated to support the family, exclusively for support, so that there is something to eat and to pay the utility bills in the best case, everything else goes to the soldier for the war, if he really wants