on the espresso channel. many thanks to natalsa didenko for the information about the weather. i always listen to myself and understand what to expect tomorrow. we continue to support the armed forces of ukraine, we support each other. and of course, stay. i am asking you, together with the espresso tv channel, your loyal ones, just like you, loyal to us, literally in a few moments, the verdicta program with serhiy rudenko. stay with us, it will be interesting. good evening, we are from ukraine. today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. it works. president zelenskyi satisfied with the results of strikes by western weapons on enemy targets on russian territory. will the armed forces succeed?

create a buffer zone on the other side of the northeastern border. strategic partnership of dictators. kim jong-un and vladimir putin signed an agreement providing for military-technical cooperation between russia and north korea. how will the world community respond? 10 years of imaginary imprisonment. in russia, a people's deputy of ukraine was convicted in absentia. oleksiy honcharenko. are there real dangers for ukrainians? politicians under fake russian justice. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. let's talk about putin's visit. to kimchynin, now he

went on to vietnam, the russian dictator is trying to get support both in north korea and in vietnam, what does this mean for the world and what does it mean for the russian-ukrainian war, we will talk about the processes during our two-hour broadcast. today, our guests will be oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine, reserve colonel of the sbu, mykhailo prytula and oleg rybachuk, former head of yushchenko's presidential office. in the second half of the program, we will have political experts viktor boberenko and ihor reiterovych. however, before starting our big conversation today, i suggest you look at how ukrainian fighters managed to repulse another enemy assault in the east of ukraine. soldiers of the 23rd separate rifle battalion showed a spectacular video of the destruction of the enemy. let's see.

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we have our first guest on the phone, this is oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine, president of the pari committee on migration and refugees. mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you, well first of all, first of all, mr. oleksiy, i wanted to ask you about this absenteeism, sentencing you to 10 years in the russian federation, what are the details of what happened in russia, and did they officially try to inform you of this, or did you learn about it from the mass media propaganda information from russia, well, the press service of the russian court for the west. the district military court of the city of moscow spread this information, well, that was the case, before that they first opened a case, declared me wanted, and now, it means that they have already been sentenced to 10 years, i found out i'm talking about this from the mass media, uh, well, of course, that this is an award for me, it

means that everything i do, i do it right, that it really resonates with russia, i'm the first people's deputy, the first people's deputy, convicted by the russian federation, i.e.... yes, someone there, well, i was declared an extremist terrorist a long time ago, there are many of them, sanctions were imposed against various ukrainian figures, there are also many of them, but a ukrainian politician convicted by russia, i am the first, well , i believe that this is seriously a first and a serious assessment of my work, well, what i read in of the russian propaganda forces, 10 years, the first three years of the sentence in absentia must be spent in prison. the next seven years in a general regime colony, in addition, you are banned for three years from administering websites, well , to be honest, i don't know how they can implement this whole story, after all, it's not a warrant between a criminal court, like putin's,

why do you think the russians took such a step for a rather strange sentence, a sentence in absentia and a prison sentence. here are written fakes about the russian army there and also for the justification of terrorism, it seems that there are three articles, if i am not mistaken, inciting hatred, justifying terrorism and something like that, well, why, because i really annoy them, look, two, well, on the one hand, you and i are laughing, on the other hand, russia has a number of treaties with various countries on mutual extradition and mutual assistance in such matters, for me the world has now... but narrowed, there are many countries in the world now that i cannot go to, because once i get there, i can only be sent out of them in one direction to russia, so it is definitely pressure and efforts of such a person moral and psychological pressure, well , this is not news for me, over the past 10 years, russia, well

, in addition to what they announced, whom they did not announce, they twice ordered my murder and once abducted, this was warned by the security service of ukraine. moreover, they did not hide, there, for example, probably the most serious attempt of this kidnapping, it seems that it was 2017 or 18, then russia exchanged the organizers of this, then exchanged them for ukrainian prisoners of war for the sake of understanding, that is, they did not even hide it , who is behind all this madness, but yes, russia is trying to increase the pressure on ukraine, it all fits into their theses about... the legitimacy of the ukrainian government, about all this other stuff, and you see that their deputies there, leading politicians, are simply criminal , who are convicted, and so on, that's why it's such a story, well, i think there's still a possibility here, there's a direct one, given that i say directly that i

think putin should be hanged on a stake, and he deserves only this death , no other, to against me, by the way, a case has also been opened in belarus for threats to kill. lukashenko, that's why i think that there may be a personal desire here, so, leader, they are trying to show that they are, therefore, persecuting the enemies of the reich, you know, such ones, well, everything here is somehow intertwined. thank you, mr. oleksiy, well, let's actually watch how the events in russia will develop, as the russians, well, obviously, they will continue to take some steps against ukrainian politicians, because you... the fact that russia is trying to prove the illegitimacy of the current of the ukrainian authorities, they say there is no one to negotiate with, neither with zelensky, nor with by those in power. instead, the head of the office of the president of ukraine andriy yermak, after the end of the peace summit, in an interview with bloomberg

, stated that ukraine is open to the participation of russia in the next peace summit, preparations for which are already underway, to quote mr. yermak, we think that it will be possible to invite the representative of... russia, yarmak quotes and adds that ukraine's peace plan always envisaged the presence of moscow at the negotiating table as the final goal, but only after the involvement of world leaders in kyiv's demands for withdrawal. russian troops from the occupied territory and recognition of ukraine's borders. in your opinion, should we even enter into peace talks or invite russia to a peace summit, given the status that putin has and in general what the russian federation is doing on the territory of ukraine, and this has been proven by the international criminal court, or should criminals on the part of russia to sit down at the transition table with ukraine. management? look, well, of course we want to accept russia's capitulation, that's the only thing we want.

at the same time, it is obvious that this is not happening yet. i want to believe that while, well, but it is not known how long it will last. therefore, i would not talk about, you know, we have discussions all the time, and here it is strange, i will remind you that it is president zelensky himself, who has forbidden himself to hold negotiations with russia. there was already a decision of the national security council prohibiting negotiations. with putin, and the nsdc is actually the president, that is, he himself forbade it, and now he is trying to open this gate for negotiations himself, well, it is a little strange, to me the very fact of negotiations with russia, well, it is not treason in itself, we are already in negotiations with russia, and we are talking about prisoners of war we are conducting negotiations, and we conducted negotiations about the grain corridor, that is, the issue is not in the negotiations. as such, the issue is the subject of the negotiations, that is, if the subject of the negotiations

is russian capitulation or the withdrawal of russian troops from the territory of ukraine, well, i think that no one in ukraine will object to such negotiations, if the goal of the negotiations, as putin stated, let i still have kherson and zaporizhzhia, that is, to what he has now covered, plus also give it away, that means all the regions to the end, well, well, such negotiations that no ukrainian government with... tea should never go, that is, it depends on the subject, you can only give one answer to such ultimatums, i sent putin three letters from the rostrum of the verkhovna rada, because that is the only thing he understands, only this language, and therefore volodin has already said something that zelensky is illegitimate, but we are addressing the ukrainian deputies, well, as a ukrainian deputy, and putin and volodin and their courts, which are condemning them there, i sent them there, as for me, where must be sent but uh, but in general i would like to say about this summit, i don't really understand, they say,

we are already preparing the second summit, i apologize, and about what, i don't really understand, no, the fact that ukraine was on the international agenda there, the fact that the leaders of the 56 states met, supported ukraine, and 79 states signed this communique, that's good, well, but what's next, well, as for me, today our main task is to bring western troops into ukraine, this is a battalion of estonians or lithuanians or poles or french on the border with belarus, even without directly participating in hostilities action, sell it there, well , there is no question about it today, but at least on the border with belarus, which is liberating our battalion and guarantees security there, it is 100 times more important than any communique today, well, believe me. today everything is decided on the battlefield, and without successes and without results on the battlefield, we will not have good

results in negotiations either, and in general we will not have a good result of the war, but with successes, we can do without many communiqués . again, i don't mean to say, i don't mean to say that this summit is bad, he did not bring anything bad, our friends gathered again, somewhere the circle expanded a little, they supported ukraine, well, but to see in this... some kind of breakthrough, a way to victory, well, i think it is strange, and in general, there is nothing like that here , in general , the timing of the summit is very unfortunate, i will say this, and this summit a year ago, before the start of our counteroffensive, which failed, would have had a completely different weight and representation, today the world is looking at the battlefield, unfortunately, ukraine has no success there, and also the whole world is already immersed in elections. american and on the background this, well, was held, held, but when i hear

conversations about the second summit, about other things, i don’t really understand what it is about, and petro poroshenko, during his speech from the rostrum in the verkhovna rada, stated that the second summit it is expedient to conduct peace talks within the framework of the un general assembly, which will increase its effectiveness. let's listen to poroshenko. so, i fully support the self-critical position. authorities that the second summit should be held immediately, i strongly advise that it be held in new york during the general meeting. and go out on a position that will ensure peace, we strive for it, despite everything, the un secretary general did not come to the meeting of this summit, the global peace summit, but returning to whether the ukrainian authorities should negotiate with the russians,

documents were published in switzerland on the eve of this global peace summit, drafts of this istanbul agreement and... the so -called, and apparently, the ukrainian authorities agreed on something like that, because on the other hand, well, arakhamia and other members of the ukrainian delegation could not sign or sign at least some agreements there without directives drafts of these agreements, what do these agreements testify to, mr. oleksiyu, have you read them, seen them? well , i'll be honest, i haven't fully read the new york times publication yet, it's definitely interesting, but they never are. these so-called agreements were not signed, what i know there, what i saw about the demilitarization of ukraine, well, this would definitely be the path to the destruction of ukraine. the only thing standing between ukraine and death is the armed forces of ukraine. therefore, any condition on the demilitarization of ukraine is actually, well , let's just disarm before

we will be killed that is, this is the first act of the finale. therefore , such... negotiations and such agreements, well, there definitely cannot be, you know, i think it is quite difficult to evaluate istanbul, because the authorities can say that it was a certain diplomatic game, a distraction, when the goal was there to remove the threat over kyiv, for example, or something else, i am this, this is the government likes to talk a lot about our there, about the fact that there were minsk agreements, not like that, something else, i want to say that i am very careful i relate to this, because i remember the conditions in which in there were some agreements, i remember the conditions when the negotiations were going on in istanbul, it was a super difficult situation, a super dangerous situation, super dangerous, so i'm not inclined to give estimates now, we don't know many details yet, i think we we will definitely find out, rather after the war, we will certainly give all our assessments, but i will repeat

once again, the important thing is not the fact. indeed, you even mentioned that in fact there were negotiations between ukraine and russia, and no one renounced them and there is nothing wrong with that was, and what will be discussed, here is what, this is the key, in fact, and i would also pay attention to it, considering that last week, mr. oleksiyu, was so saturated with foreign policy meetings and some certain decisions regarding ukraine, can you say , what a moment... last week there was a kind of turning point in the current situation in the perception of those countries that previously did not support us or supported us indirectly from the side, so that we attract more countries and more support due to a number of summits that took place and conferences regarding the restoration of ukraine, the big seven, rada

ukraine, nato, that we still had ramshtein2. in it, from everything that we have listed, i think that the peace summit was just at the weakest link, in my opinion, did we manage to expand the circle of countries, not really, in principle, these signatures are all the same countries that were on ukraine's side, and that's exactly the problem, key world players like china, india, brazil... we couldn't get them, well, as of now anyway, so it was a good week for ukraine, but it wasn't any there is a gap and a fracture and and one more thing, about negotiations in general, i want to tell you, you and i spent a lot of time talking about whether we are ready for negotiations with russia or not, there is another

nuance here, russia does not really want any negotiations with us, this just absolutely need to understand. and this ultimatum, this boorish putin's so-called proposal, is evidence that he does not want any negotiations, because it is obvious that this is unacceptable. and in general, putin wants negotiations, if he wants to negotiate with someone, then with the americans. he does not want any negotiations with ukraine in principle. he wants to negotiate with americans, the obstacle to this is that it is not clear who to negotiate with, because the usa is a democracy, and who will be elected as president there in november, i do not know, as of today. no one, that's why i think that the elections in the usa, their result, and the position of either the re-elected or the newly elected president will be a very important fork in the road. in relation to ukraine and to russian aggression against ukraine, that is , the main events are still ahead, absolutely, and the american elections will be of key importance. thank you, mr. oleksii, for

the conversation, it was oleksii goncharenko, a native deputy of ukraine. friends, we continue to work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those of you who are currently watching us on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages, be sure to like this video so it can be trending on youtube and take part in our survey, today we ask you about the following: do you feel the worsening of the situation with freedom of speech in ukraine? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, own, own opinion, if you have one, which goes beyond these two, unequivocal answers, please write in the comments below this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you feel: the worsening of the situation with freedom of speech in ukraine 0800 211 381 no 0800 211382, all calls to these numbers are free,

vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, and our next guest will appear literally in a few seconds, meanwhile i will tell you the following: the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi said what... thanks to the help of western partners, the defenders managed to destroy the enemy on the territory of russia near the border exactly as planned. let's listen to what the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine said. thanks to everyone who helped and is helping. we see how the determination of the world opens up new perspectives for the restoration of our security, among other things, this concerns the security of kharkiv. destruction. near the border by our forces, our soldiers, positions and launchers of russian terrorists, it really matters,

it works, and exactly as we expected, and we already have our next guest on the phone, this is mykhailo prytula, a reserve colonel of the security service of ukraine, an expert in military counterintelligence. mr. colonel, good evening and thank you for being with us today. good evening! mr. colonel, president zelensky says that thanks to the help of our western partners, it is possible to destroy the enemy on the territory of russia. thus, this buffer zone, which putin dreamed of on the territory of the ukrainian state, appears on the territory of the russian state. biden says that american missiles can fly deep into the territory of the russian federation for 320 or 200 miles. does this mean that ukraine in this way can create a buffer between ukraine

and russia, and maintain this buffer, this buffer zone in such a lively state, destroying the enemy and preventing them from getting close to the ukrainian border. well, today we see that a lot of trouble is caused to our military by cabs, that is... guided bombs or, as they are called differently, which are dropped there from a distance of at least 40 km, at an altitude of 10 km, and accordingly, in order to neutralize them, it is necessary to destroy the carriers of these bombs, aerial bombs, otherwise it is simply impossible to overcome them, accordingly, this requires certain technical means, which were provided by... our partners or are providing now, because so far that bombs are flying, and in order to secure our troops, we must at least provide

this forty-kilometer security zone so that russia cannot carry out strikes on our positions, in addition, well, technology is being improved, so the russians can come up with something else there, in including attacks according to our positions, with s-300, s-400 complexes, old anti-aircraft missiles, respectively, in order to secure, it is necessary to increase this zone in which there will be no launchers of the russian federation, can it be called the security zone that putin dreamed of, well, probably yes, this is a really safe zone so that there are no russian troops there, what will happen next, well, it is difficult to predict, but in any case... in any case, it depends on the amount of weapons that will arrive to us from our partners, uh, because weapons only work when there are enough of them

quantity, that is, it is not a question of... single launches, as was the case, for example, with the a-50, but it is a question of a sufficiently large amount of weapons that would provide the entire, entire perimeter of the ukrainian border, both now and in the future . mr. colonel, against the background of how our defense forces destroy the enemy on the approaches to the borders, in ukraine itself, the representatives of the fifth column. column feel safe, well, at least the opz deputies, whose leader medvedchuk just a few days ago announced that putin should occupy odesa, and generally speak about against the so-called nazi regime, as he says, the deputies of various levels, not only of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, but not at the local level, they feel absolutely at ease, even though they were elected. of this

pro-russian force, which is banned in ukraine, the branch of the russian orthodox church continues to work, what is the threat of the existence of this fifth column for ukraine, and what can it, this fifth column, do in the current situation, well, having an undeniable connection with moscow? the fact is that the enemy will try to break ukraine in any case. unity will hurt to our e-e to our people in the fact that we simply cannot even - understand that we are one people, and this is what his actions are aimed at, well , we see that it is not very successful, but the remnants of this hydra remain, they are not always enemies of ukraine, as experience shows, just people who were members

of this party there for a certain time, but... they could have no idea that it had nothing to do with ukraine there, so the very fact of the relationship with this party is not a crime there, it is a crime to support russian aggression against ukraine, if a person does not help ukraine, on the contrary it helps russia, then of course it already falls under the criminal code, completely different articles apply there, and not the fact of belonging to this party itself, however, among the leaders of this party , of course, there were those people who understood about what is it about, what are they doing and why did they do it, but one of the values ​​that you and i are fighting for is our democracy, and here there is a very thin line between democracy and the right of russian mercenaries to create everything , what they want is very subtle

we need to understand how to overcome it, and of course there is also a certain religious community that prays for russian russia to win while in ukraine, while rockets are flying directly in these communities. well, in this case, the issue is the religious education of our society, because someone has to deal with this too, and when people will be religiously literate. then they will not succumb to these tricks, cunning tricks, when , under the guise of god, people commit aggression against ukraine. but it is clear that there is democracy, there is freedom of religion, but there is a wartime concept of national security, and if some political forces. or political

figures or religious organizations are working against ukrainian independence, against the ukrainian state, then under these conditions, is it not possible to use the national security and defense council as a tool, which can collegiately determine whether or not to adopt certain decisions, and then these decisions can be put in place by executive order of the president, i mean that this... this long chain of when there is the verkhovna rada, it makes decisions, there are various forces in the verkhovna rada, including those affiliated there with the russian orthodox church, in your opinion, in extraordinary cases, as was the case, by the way, with medvedchuk’s tv channels, at that time decisions were not made separately there was a decision of the verkhovna rada of ukraine or some other court regarding the closure of tv channels that openly operated in russia, and this decision of the nsdc was introduced. action,

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