organizations are working against the ukrainian nation against the ukrainian state, then under these conditions, is it not possible to use the national security and defense council as a tool, which can collegially determine whether or not to adopt certain decisions, and then they can implement these decisions by presidential decree, i have meaning that this is a long chain, when... there is a verkhovna rada, it makes decisions, there are various forces in the verkhovna rada, including those affiliated there with the russian orthodox church. in your opinion, in extraordinary cases like this was, by the way, with medvedchuk's tv channels, and at that time was not a separate decision made there by the verkhovna rada of ukraine or some court there regarding the closure of tv channels that openly worked in russia? there was a decision of the national security council and this decision of the national security council was put into effect, why is it not possible

to make all decisions through the national security council now in such... extraordinary conditions that we are in. the fact is that it is a very delicate game, and if we talk about solving this issue, then we have to talk about complex, complex measures, that is, simply ban some religious community, we let's create a martyr out of her and a number of her apologists, witnesses of some church there. then that number will simply increase and that's all, and they will shout that here we are being beaten and that everyone is wrong and so on, that is, this issue is not resolved in this way, the issue is resolved through criminal cases against those persons who may belong to any denominations, but violate the criminal laws of ukraine, the criminal code, on the one hand, and on the other hand, there should be a rather serious religious education. in ukraine,

i will emphasize this again, it is very, very important that a person could consciously make a choice and freely consciously understand where and what kind of community she represents to herself, because without religious education, well, nothing will happen, it is very easy to find a person, especially against the background of faith in god and faith in something, something more than the material world, therefore... of course, this plane, it always is and has been such an arena not only for light forces to act, but for people to be deceived, and accordingly now we have 'to explain to people, to do some things serious enough for people to have a choice, and while they are there are under the influence of foreign churches, then they... accordingly, well, they do not have such

a choice, they simply do not know that there can be something else, that in fact, there is a moscow church, it has nothing to do with the canonical ecumenical patriarchate there and so on, well, i take this as an example, or you can take more common things, but again, we must understand here that freedom of conscience is... is one of the basic freedoms, and a person can believe as he wishes, uh, as it is more convenient for her, but one should not confuse faith in god with approving armed aggression and war, it is not tender to god. and one more short question, mr. colonel, to you as a professional, er, russia is currently recruiting ukrainian children to set fire to the cars of military personnel.

of the armed forces of ukraine, they offer several thousand dollars for this, obbutsman lubinets reports about this, how to protect yourself from the recruitment of not only children, but also adults by the russian special services, and how it can be prevented, well, first of all, you need to understand that they they do, that is, they need to be enlightened again deal with people, because when... children for a seemingly hooligan act, then in fact it leads to more serious articles, for which , for these 300 dollars, you can sit for a very, very long time, that is why enlightenment and re-explanation to people of all of these things, they are absolutely necessary in order to protect both adults and children from the influence of foreign...

special services, in addition, it is necessary to explain that the russian special services, they like to use disposable agents, a disposable agent is some kind of fool, who went to cooperate with russian special service, received some 30 pieces of silver there, then he was arrested, he sits and is not happy that he did that, but the fact is that he thought that some big and powerful special service would stand up for him, in fact no , because he is in the category of one-time agents who were used and forgotten, well, these things must be explained, friends, no one will even take you... for exchange, because you are not medvedchuk, you are not putin's best man, you are disposable agents, so you have to face the truth, you can earn uah 300 and sit down for 30 years, well, the truth is that we don’t sit that far, but

roughly so, i understood, well, thank you, mr. colonel, for the conversation, it was mykhailo prytula, a reserve colonel of the security service of ukraine, an expert in military counterintelligence, we work on the air of the espresso tv channel, and also on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live there. please subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey. today we ask you about the following: do you feel that the situation with freedom of speech in ukraine is deteriorating. yes, no, on youtube everything is quite simple, either yes or no, please write your own opinion in the comments under this video. if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote. if you feel worse. the situation with freedom of speech in ukraine 0800 211 381 no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free vote at the end of the program we will tally up the results of this vote further on we are in touch oleh hrybachuk head of the center for

joint actions ex-vice prime minister on european integration and former chief yushchenko's presidential administration, mr. oleg, i congratulate you. you have regalia that i wanted to list all of them, but they have numbers, i congratulate you, people's deputy, also a people's deputy, in my opinion two convocations, if i'm not mistaken, no, not a complete one, but it doesn't matter, one, sir oleg, let's start our conversation with putin's visit to north korea, and at 11 o'clock , putin was on the territory of north korea, met with kimchi... and actually he was received there as brezhnev and khrushchev were once received during the times of the soviet union and north korean dictator kimchinin, during negotiations with russian dictator putin,

expressed his full support for aggression against ukraine. let's listen to what the leader of north korea said. we use this power. to reaffirm that we will continue to further strengthen strategic communication with the russian leadership and russia, even in a difficult global geopolitical situation, and will continue to unconditionally support all russian policies. we express full support and solidarity with the russian government, army and people in carrying out a special military operation in ukraine to protect sovereignty. interests of security and territorial integrity. mr. oleg, putin decided to clearly outline this axis of evil and personally drive with this axis of evil, so that the whole world would not even doubt his

intentions and his determination. will he succeed in creating this message of evil, starting with a visit to north korea? yes, it's happening... before our eyes, and it just goes to show that authoritarian countries build alliances in a big way faster and more efficiently, without any back-and-forth, compared to a democratic event and europe, which can hold consultations for years, well , here is a clear principle, which was driving such a sly, similar type of state protocol... both in china, and in china it sounded the thesis that they reach some kind of boundless agreement forever together, and there we will see, russians, chinese, brothers forever, russian koreans, brothers forever,

and then there is putin, by the way, he does not just want to cement this message of evil, but you heard, that he seems to be going to vietnam jump in, because he is in every country and in china and in... in korea, he also builds bridges to the past, they don’t have any in the future there, in the past he reminds us that here after the second world war we fought together with the koreans these american ones. and he reminds the chinese that they also fought together, and the vietnamese, for sure, he will remind that they fought, that is why he builds the past, brings it into the present, but he just really lost, let go of the shores, because well, when the united states by mouth, in my opinion sullivan expressed their concern there again and said that they will do everything possible to... prevent china from supplying there and now, especially korea, i was watching

the american channels, they are paying a lot of attention to this visit, they are scheduling it like this shelves, well, because unheard of things are happening, north korea is one of the most sanctioned countries in comparison somewhere parallel to iran, and to have any relations with this country, it was a complete taboo, but now this taboo has disappeared, putin after of his... another coronation is building this axis of evil right in front of our eyes, and from the west , what we have often mocked in russia is happening, when russia draws another red line, we cross them easily, nothing happens, but now the united the states have drawn red lines on the use of chemical weapons by assad in syria more than once, even during the time of barack obama, they have used nothing, now they complain that they will simply do everything, everything, to prevent the supply of weapons,

yes weapons they are already supplied in korea even the number of containers, we can say 2 million, more than these shells, but korea has land and sea connections with russia, and in principle everyone knows that weapons are going there, not only that, let selivan come to us, we will show him the downed missiles and and... and other equipment that is produced in korea, that is, well, i wonder how the west, in particular, the united states, who understand this threat, because kim hye-nyung is a separate pepper in this campaign, because he, he in reality, he is not just there rattling weapons, he, well, he is like that, he does not feel any inhibitions at all, and for north korea to get such a partner that can easily invest. several tens of billions for armaments, just take them there

and send their managers directly to korea, there are factories, give technology, and it is profitable for russia, because this is not lukashenko for you, this is north korea, it may not have very high-quality weapons, but it has nuclear weapons , it constantly releases some missiles, now north korea uses ukraine as a training ground, that is, it is a very, very dangerous alliance, because the radius of flight of these missiles there is already thousands of kilometers. well, how to restrain it, with what sanctions there were tens of years of sanctions, i just don't really understand how the americans, having issued such a very threatening warning, how they are going to prevent china and korea from supplying weapons, weapons to russia for the war in ukraine, i just really don't understand. well, by the way, you mentioned sullivan, but there was also a statement from the secretary of state of the united states of america, anthony blin. during a joint press conference with nato secretary general jens stoltenberg, and he expressed concern

about putin's visit to north korea. let's hear what antony blinken had to say. we we see how russia is desperately trying to develop and strengthen relations with countries that can provide it with what it needs to continue its aggressive war. we are very concerned about this because it supports the war, and... the faster way to end the war is to destroy putin's confidence that he can outlast ukraine and all its supporters. so you, mr. oleg, said that you have no idea what else can be done, what can the world do against north korea, which is already under sanctions, as well as iran, these are two countries which, two countries are exiles from the world, i.e. outcasts, yes, yes, yes, yes, and... they, they basically do whatever they want, and we see how kimchenin also sneezes at everyone, he is under

sanctions, he has nothing to lose, or does russia still have anything to lose, because if north korea has nothing to lose, then this sanctions , this gag, which the west is trying to throw at putin, is much longer, and there is still much more this is a mess. drag it out, yes, but it must be dragged out, well, here it is again, kurt walker said, there's this anaconda loop, you have to squeeze until the pain becomes unbearable, well, blinkin. well, let's do everything like this, do it, no, no, don't measure step by step the distance that we can strike there on the territory of russia, give it to us, don't hold back the training of pilots, no, well, no, don't dose the delivery of weapons, do it, do it, because if you don't do it, well, the europeans already understand very well

that there are no resolutions there, we collect 100 signatures under the peace forum, a million signatures. it does not matter the resolution of the general the un assembly, hundreds of countries there demanded the liberation of ukrainian territory, and what? and europeans simply understood that it is much cheaper, and it sounds cynical, because for us it is the life of ours, our citizens, our military and our civilians, but from their cynical point of view it is cheaper to allocate it to the maximum now. the amount of military aid, than then having to deal with russia itself, because the german minister of defense says about the teroks that the germans can be ready in five, there sociology shows in poland that only 20 percent of poles there are ready to fight with russia, that is, they generally consider this situation very hypothetically, but the largest

european countries have realized that providing aid to ukraine is their only chance. and to the question, what can stop putin, it is only a significant increase in unity and the quantity and quality of weapons, armaments and the removal of all restrictions there, we can welcome the step of the united states, that they canceled the contract there, moved it with switzerland, and the patriots will sell to us , well, for almost the third year of the war, it is time to change something, but in general it is necessary to remove any restrictions, it is necessary to really show putin... that this is a war, that it is necessary to remove the managers of the escalation of the conflict, because it does not work, it does not work, russia, the russians do not pay attention to these attempts at escalation, they understand only brute force, a number of europeans understood this, and at the

nato summit, well, we need to, we understand that there will be no political invitation there. but we must be clearly convinced, guaranteed, that there will be an uninterrupted supply of the weapons we need with the characteristics we need, and there will be no restrictions on where we should hit the enemy and what weapons we should use instead of running, one pilot flies on an f-16 where he can shoot down targets on the territory of russia, and another pilot on the same f-16 flies from another a country that says: "no, no, no, you can't shoot there." well, this is nonsense. this cannot be, uh, in the meantime, while we are thinking with you, and the world is thinking about what to do with putin and kimchynin, putin believes that it is necessary to develop military-technical cooperation with north korea, a violation of numerous resolutions of the un security council. let's listen to what he said dictator. i draw attention to the statements of the usa and other

nato countries about supplies. high-precision long-range weapons, f-16 aircraft and other high-tech weapons and ammunition for launching strikes on the territory of russia. actually, these are not just statements, but it is already happening, and it grossly violates the international obligations undertaken by western countries. in this regard, russia does not rule out the development of military-technical cooperation with the dprk, according to the document signed today. well. in other words, putin said that he should not sneeze at all for everything, and he will do everything as he sees fit, that is, he provokes our western partners to something more, our western partners are not provoked, why? escalation is being managed, they are being provoked, but very slowly, and this, well, it's really time

to realize this, because well, let's remember the recent peace summit, and why there some... countries did not vote, and let's project this situation again, there is such a situation, there is a resolution of the un general assembly, where the absolute majority of countries recognized russia as an aggressor and demands its withdrawal, there is a statute the un, which is currently violated, there are international conventions on the protection of human rights, children's rights, nuclear safety, all this has been trampled, and putin already has it, he is just doing it. roughly so, and we attacked, but we didn't attack, we, we were forced, or we were attacked, or we were forced to defend ourselves, and therefore acted in advance, and when in response to our ... aggression you start to defend yourself, well, in response to your defense, we will strike additional blows there, that is , imagine this person, what is in his head

when he says that the measure was treacherously violated all international agreements and provides assistance to a country that is a victim of aggression, what agreements he is talking about, and in general, how can you try to conduct some kind of dialogue with such a person there, i want to see a better form. there was peace, and now there will be a certain crystallization, in particular the positions of china, well, china or the saudis, well, the saudis , they are acting in an alliance there, even the same switzerland, because when you good people say that there should be two sides, but one side is like that, russia, that is how it understands peace, fair, that is how it understands international , international, international order, it is understands territorial integrity. "how are you going to look for common points of contact with such a country, it does not at all recognize the treaties in which it itself signed,

starting there, i don't know, from the moment of the creation of the united nations, because it, although russia, by the way, she did not go through the procedure for acquiring membership in the united nations organization correctly, she received it outside the procedural rules of this organization, but despite everything, all the international treaties that..." the world, she violated them, she does not recognize them, well, how much can you do with a person who is already there under the jurisdiction of the international criminal court, how much can you say about the fact that we need to look for points of contact and conduct some kind of negotiations, in what way, how will this better peace formula be built, or is there some additional formula peace involving russia, based on what? well, you, you, how... do you generally accept these statements and zelenskyi and yarmak, by the way, they spoke during the global peace summit about the fact that

a representative of the russian federation may be invited to the next global peace summit, today yarmak confirmed this in an interview with bloomberg, he talks about it, but i can't imagine sitting at the same table, relatively speaking, churchill, roosevelt and... and hitler comes and says to churchill and roosevelt and stalin: listen , you have some kind of peace plan there, it’s the 43rd year of tehran, and hitler is invited, let’s talk about your peace plan, i’ve already burned half of europe here, but i’m ready in principle to sit down at the transition table and listen to your proposals, i, how is it possible, how can all this be explained now, how can you imagine it and if you had such a task to bring the russians to the negotiating table, what would you talk about as the head of president yushchenko's office?

well, here, the military should speak here, and this is such a banal phrase, if russia does not succeed in the fall, well, it is clearly slipping, it has been attacking, attacking there for 10 months, they have already broken all the guinness records, because as a rule , offensive actions there last 3-4 months in... soon there will be a year of offensive actions and conquests there, small towns that simply disappear from the face of the earth, but they are slipping, they, as they said, about they are trying to push through, but they cannot break through the ukrainian defenses, if they are there in the fall, we will grind them at this rate, and if the number of weapons increases there, and especially if we continue there from all sides... cut, break up, cut off logistics in crimea, then sometime in the fall our position will be much stronger, because at some point

, aviation will still be added there, and i have a feeling that there will be significantly more long-range, accurate weapons and the use of these weapons will be less limited , but it’s all the same, i’m a great patriot of ukraine, but i don’t think that we will succeed... what time will there be in a year, in two, because when zelenskyi talks about the second round, he gives hope, he talks about what is already there we will begin, well, to build the contours of peace, peace, and on ukrainian terms, and this is a very encouraging situation, please note that our government is very rare, but before this forum we did not say, we said very carefully, that this is the inauguration, that we we start negotiations, that we need to have a common position, and... then with with this joint position, we will simply convey this position to russia through mediators, not through putin, through mediators, but there are those who want to be mediators, well

, there it begins, this diplomatic whistle-blowing that we will not sit down, of course, there will not be putin, and some of his representatives will be there, but what the hell is the difference, if everyone knows that no representative decides anything without putin's approval, well, we will have some avatar of putin at the negotiations, but what will we be, what are we counting on, why suddenly russia in the fall, because we are talking about months, zelenskyi especially emphasized that it is not about... delay, but we are talking about months, that is, the expectation is created that it will be in the fall. the swiss said even more precisely that they would like to see the continuation of this forum before the elections of the president of the united states, which means that it is also autumn, late autumn. i simply do not understand what additional levers we will have, apart from the military, military power, military achievements, because some western analysts are already talking about the possibility, well actually, ah,...

neutralization of crimea, if not, no, not a situation when ukrainian troops enter crimea, then a situation when the russians cannot see a single safe place in crimea, because high-precision missiles reach everywhere, and they will actually lose crimea as a fortress, that is it is difficult to imagine without these prerequisites, but it seems to me personally that it is much more real, and here i do not want to exaggerate the influence of china, i do not have any. that china is somehow our ally, no, but china is still a pragmatic country, and if the wind blows in the sails of ukraine, and if in the spring, i say no, not even autumn, in the spring, when we can launch a much larger military offensive there already in the spring, the position of the new american administration will be clearer there, if there is for the unity of the west, the new american administration will also stand firm.

with ukraine, china's position will also change, and then china can use its soft power to speak to these, well, such and such productive negotiators, because we have many ineffective negotiators, that is, again in this whole story , the uninterrupted military aid and political unity of the west and its military aid, which will allow the ukrainian armed forces to act significantly, play a key role. there are simply no other factors that could put pressure on putin, well, that is, you think that by september of the 25th year it will become more or less clear what will happen next, so i think that yes , that exactly the situation on in the spring of the 22nd of the 25th year, with the result of everything there, the elections in the european parliament will already be held, elections in france, well, but there the president is all the same will remain, everything will more or less settle down. in

europe, elections will be held in the united states and it will be clear how this weapons supply conveyor works, because already next year the european, european defense industry will work much more powerfully, and the american defense is also gaining momentum, that is, there will be more weapons, and i hope , restrictions on the use of weapons will be significantly less. thank you, mr. oleg, we have to conclude, it was oleg hrybachuk, politician, former head of the presidential office. friends, during the broadcast we are conducting a survey, asking you about this, do you feel that the situation with freedom of speech in ukraine is deteriorating, let's look at the interim results of the poll, 91% yes, 9% - no, in 15 minutes after the bbc news, we will return to the studio, we will have viktor boberenko and ihor reiterovych, stay with espresso, stay with espresso, we'll be back on the air very soon.

mobilization up to 25 exceptions or an increasingly frequent pattern? cases have been recorded in ukraine where young men under the age of 25, who had not previously served in the army, were mobilized. to the army, but is it legal? we collected the opinions of experts and let's try to figure it out in today's edition of the bbc. i am olga polomaryuk. a month ago , a new law on mobilization came into force in ukraine. the main point in it is the lowering of the mobilization age from 27 to 25 years. but, in detail, more often it becomes known about cases when even younger young men are sent to the army. and one of these cases happened in transcarpathia.