which, unfortunately, is not accepted by china, and china wants to create or wait for a situation when there is a need to create a so-called other summit with the participation, in particular , of russia, this is the official position of beijing, and accordingly i would like to ask you, well, the threats here are obvious , what are the possible solutions, how should we do it right, well, because the swiss summit is basically our allies or neutrals. countries before us, but there are also russia and china, which will try to push their agenda. mr. antin, what if look at this week that we have just passed, starting, let's say, from the press conference of viola amhert, the president of switzerland, and what she said after the summit, and the reaction that came from beijing, from moscow, the reaction that was heard at the meeting ministers of foreign affairs of the countries. brics for the preparation

of the summit, and what is being drawn? first of all, we must thank the swiss, they carry out their mandate very maturely, intelligently, that is , they keep in touch with everyone, do not interrupt anyone and do not close the door, we must give credit here, and it is obvious that this school, it's decades of the position that switzerland is taking, and they know how to do it, and i would n't scold them very much for... what the foreign minister, ignacios, said there, about what's there, what's today, but what will happen with russia tomorrow, we'll see, i wouldn't quarrel here, because this is switzerland, and these are the swiss, they should be thanked for what they do. now, what about this side? i am convinced that the way the meeting of brics foreign ministers was presented was almost a preparation for an alternative summit, a global peace summit, and... this role has

to play in august-september, the date has not yet been determined, the brics summit. i will remind you that we draw and proceed from the fact that there are at least five of them, and as of today there are already 10 of them, because the united arab emirates, saudi arabia, egypt, and ethiopia have already joined there. , and at this meeting that took place in moscow, they all talked about it, and there is so much that attracts attention. here are the statements that sound calm, because the sos summit is also added to this, and when they speak in beijing, they are for today, if they are looking at whether to do it at the brics summit, or to do it at the shos summit, but what if they have dynamite, because in one case india, and here it may happen that this summit will simply fail, in principle, as soon as they will begin to drag the question of an alternative

entity into it, and there is the disagreement of the central asian republics, not everything there is as smooth as they wanted. to hold the third summit, after russia spent trillions of rubles on the st. petersburg international conference, and now holds the brics sports games, here they go to all industry exhibitions, it is unlikely that they will spend on it. china itself will not do it. therefore, i would accept these conversations about an alternative simply as for now information that needs to be followed, and i will tell you this, if it was possible to further promote this meeting that was held in moscow, the technical meeting on the preparation of the brics summit, because i am for the first time in history, i see such importance being attached to the introductory speech of the minister at the technical meeting, where

global ideas are discussed and so on, so for now it is necessary to treat it that way, whether or not will not happen, but the fact that this is the appearance of, say, a summit in switzerland and the alternative controversy, this is evidence, you know, how the formation there, here is rome, berlin, tokyo in its time, and alternatives to... this, let's say yes, allies, there are three allies, vital or four, here are allies, i.e. positioning, what it shows is that there is a split, this split positions and groups forces, on the one hand it is formed by the forces of evil, on the other side by the forces of good, and this only proves that the situation in the world and on the continent. and at the global level

is intensifying, and in principle this is the road, as we understand, to the expansion of the conflict, and if we answer the question... what is this, then this is not an alternative summit, no, it is a kind of chain, which continues to be held in in its midst a certain group of countries, because from the point of view of the system of relations that is currently being formed between russia, china, iran, here are all the others, like this, north korean, which sends garbage there to... south korea and so on, and it is unlikely it is possible to hold such a forum between them, because it is obvious not equal, disproportionate values, to arrange this for billions, as was the case in

st. petersburg, when the president of zimbabwe and the president of bolivia were imprisoned together with the führer of moscow, and this was the highest achievement, i do not touch it now. no, well , zimbabwe is one story, and the people's republic of china is another story, yes, and they justify their non-appearance to switzerland by the fact that they see the creation of such a platform on which the victim country and the aggressor country would be represented, that's me disturbing because it is official beijing position, and we understand that some states will try to listen to or play out similar stories, we understand that this is not only a question of pressure, but also a question of... so to speak, so -called countermeasures on the part of china, which can strengthen, for example, the economic and not only the economic support of moscow, it may not do this, but the negotiation, so-called or diplomatic process, this will undoubtedly affect, do you think, this may be reflected in

concrete decisions for ukraine, in particular, when we talk about possible pressure, or about it is possible to supply some additional weapons, but as an alternative, the same aviation, sir? the fact is that china has a very narrow maneuver, and it does not come from relations with moscow or relations with ukraine, this maneuver is narrow because of the relations between washington and beijing, and even these sanctions that the ministry of finance of the united states of america has now announced. and they're very long with... long arms, and actually, mind you, two months, you and i were talking about this, two months, as janet allyn warned, she i was in beijing, secretary of state blinkin was in beijing, they explained that do not do

this, do not finance the enterprise, do not supply dual technologies, no, just as it was said, if this is not stopped, there will be sanctions, these sanctions would they go after... whom? china, saudi arabia, the united arab emirates, all five states of central central asia, namely tajikistan, kyrgyzstan, uzbekistan, turkmenistan, and so on, through which even american, british, and french equipment went to russia. in principle, it can be very serious undermine the financial and currency sector of russia, i am not talking about the it sector. because he will actually be deprived of the possibility of obtaining those volumes that china provided, because this is not so much connected with the possibility of china to supply to russia, as with china itself, because if the united states of america a blocks lending, abe stops enterprises there,

i'm not saying the supply of technology there, because the first question during the visit of helen and blinken was that china uses before... american technology to to then deliver them there in the form of microcircuits to russia, that is how the question was asked there, that is why the current steps are delayed until the second or third decade of september , in order for those smart and not so smart people to sit there in china and think that what to do next, because china is already in the stage of... stopping with the growth of the gross national product, and therefore the situation there is not easy, so there is no such maneuver in china that we can talk about, but as an answer, that is what i would like accent, as an answer, why not go to switzerland, as

the answer is that it could interfere with such a level, but it is unlikely that there can be an own initiative of training on one's own. we are fighting now, 160 invitations were invited there, the president of switzerland said that there would be 90, but if you look in that direction, how many invitations will there be? well, 50, how many will come, well, five or six, well, 10 strengthened those who are spinning there, and then at the level of zimbabwe there and no more, that is the whole answer, and here it is not so much the position of china that is important, here the position will the führer of moscow give an indication to do it, because you understand, here is the scale, the inflated scale of the st. petersburg economic forum, it was just a movie. all these numbers, stories about foreign guests, concluded investment agreements, these are lies that came out and

were spent, there are even funds spent in the column, even the report, there is no figure in the report, because it is clear that they were caught here, especially on the inflation of the information pillows are huge resources, so i don't see the possibility of such a level to make an event, but how is switzerland doing for... the country, i agree, roman petrovych, but why does the führer constantly repeat his mantra about their readiness for peace and repeats about the istanbul agreements, which were not just ratified, they were not even signed, if there were any negotiations, then in words, we understand, that the russian position was unacceptable for a collective action, but the führer constantly turns, turns and walks in circles and voices, voices, to whom he addresses all this matter. you understand, for mr. antin, for russia, for moscow, especially for

this racist führer, for him negotiations are an instrument of war, it is not an instrument of appeasement, it is an instrument of war, and therefore the achievement of any pause, and god forbid there is a retreat from the sanctions somewhere, it will definitely be his victory, that is why he is spinning this roach, whatever what a dial... in the current situation there are no real conversations about him, because these are conversations, these are conversations for the unconscious and ignorant, those who can bite, this is like bait for fish, well, fish are brainless, people, well, they are at least some, well, no everyone, however, has a brain that can read it, so it's not a conversation at all about negotiations, not about making a decision, these are talks as an instrument of war, and he will conduct them. always makes fools of both his own and others, and here and here the situation is still the same, here

it is not clear who is fooled more, his own or others, we already perfectly understand that there will be absolutely nothing to gain from this, well, for now in europe there are still those who believe in this, that you can get by with it, and it is, the truth is that it is, but there are already those who have realized perfectly, this is the first and second, let's imagine for today, here are all these 15 packages sanctions, sanctions of the united states of america, yes to rake it up. it will take more than a century, you just understand, there is no turning back in this process, absolutely none, whether you are pro-sanctions or pro-military, i am pro-military, there is no turning back, but i am trying in this coordinate system, well, after all, i lived my life working , and do you remember, one by one, there was an amendment that was in ukraine, so you were dealing with it and did not know from which side to approach it, and now here... this complex, these armed forces, this system, which it's already set, but it won't go away

back, because mr. antin, billions of turnover of business, finance, resources are involved here today, moreover, the russian economy is built today on the basis of the military industry, so remove these inflated artificial figures of the so-called growth from the military industry, that’s it, there is no such economy, no, and she is holding on to... what, the military-industrial complex, there is no way back in russia from here, well, if we understand it, we understand it, then look, they meet in st. petersburg, well, this is a movie, they meet in berlin, they are talking about what, where to take patriots, where to take arishte, where to take ammunition and so on, and somewhere there, somewhere in the corner, and what are we going to do, i... there will be peace somewhere in the corner, you understand, when 98% of the conversation at the

reconstruction conference is devoted to weapons, that is, it is already about objectively, people understand that this is the number one issue on the agenda, then the topic of recovery is a topic of hope, what kind of hope the conference gives to people in europe and ukraine and so on, but there is still a situation on the front line. there is also a situation with a barbaric aggressive attack by russians on kharkiv, i.e they are demonstrating their readiness for her response from the west, i.e. the permission to strike at russian interventionists who... are preparing to attack on russian territory, i.e. we understand that this is a very powerful military signal from the west, yes, the issue of aviation, the minister of defense of the kingdom of the netherlands promised us , that the f-16s will be already this summer, and there is also a french signal about mirages, so this summer we can

actually get a military aviation component, i am convinced that time is the only thing for ... today bar' yer in this relations, including, and i have already told you more than once, the entry of the countries we are talking about, our partners, into this war, it is a matter of time, and it is connected with the fact that the democracy of the civilized world, it has its own mechanisms decision-making and implementation, including these planes, and i'm not saying the service system, but pay attention, behind the current conversation about planes, there is a deep conversation about tanks, yes, about abrams, and so on, as it is currently being conducted, yes, we gave the ukrainians armored vehicles, but we also provided them with service, we have provided service systems, and that is why there is such a technological

discussion on both sides now, hence from my point of view, everything that we are talking about with you, it does not... not at all, not in such a way, well, in a tiny dose, does not lead to that the question of negotiations may arise, and in the current situation, in the current situation, russia's economy, which is launched military-industrial, it shows them, as it were, that this is their salvation, in fact, it is the death of russia, the world... for today he looks closely at this and looks at the moscow one fuhrer, like a clown, that is, what happened? he thought that during the economic upswing and the connections that he had with the world, he would not be able to oppose himself to the whole world and skip this period, now everything is the opposite, now the world is more and more grouped

around ukraine, the potential for pulling forces in this war is growing, technology is growing. from yes, well, where is the back way here, here i am trying, well , even to switch, conditionally speaking, to the side of those who say that it is possible, and what the führer would propose, well, if hypothetically we let's take into account that he can give one or another trade offers, it is clear that not to us, and it is clear that not publicly, perhaps through intermediaries, we do not want to talk about switzerland, but at one time switzerland and austria were used by the soviet union. so to speak, and not only by the soviet union, but also by the reich, in the same way as certain countries where certain conversations can be held, well, accordingly, what the führer can suggest that such a narcissistic person, they have a peculiarity, they are not able to to objectively evaluate realities, they live in a virtual world, therefore, in order to

to propose some real mechanisms, including real ones written by literate people, including the foreign office and new york. there was a whole series of such recipes, how it can be done, no, it is impossible for him to apply, because he cannot objectively assess the situation, that is, those who watched there fragments of st. petersburg, he understands that this person lives in another world, this is his world, which 99% do not have today, including his compatriots, and therefore to him... it doesn't matter how many hundreds of thousands will die, how many will be maimed, and so on, this is his world, but now let's imagine that he, he flies like god in this totalitarian world, here and there some scholz, macron, biden walk the earth and even allow a discussion among themselves, you can imagine this

psychopath, how he it looks, that is, it is obvious to me. that the topic of russia and the topic of resolving the situation, it is only in one thing: in the defeat of russia in its capitulation, complete capitulation, another option, that someone there will come to his senses and say that what should we do, but what are you doing, that's in principle impossible, hence, ot if you want to evaluate a person, whether he has a healthy head or not, then as soon as he... said that you can sit down at the table with russia and talk about something, be afraid of such people, it means that they simply cannot objectively assess the situation, give an assessment, well, this moscow psychopath can't... and especially his clique, well, they are already there like sows gnawing around him, and they, you understand, already have this instinct to bite everything that is

so developed around them, in order to not just to bite, but to serve this fire? as i understand it, the scenario is before us difficult, the question of our resources, that is , the west will help us with money, technologies, weapons and possibly instructors, that is, from this point of view, we have a certain rather powerful support, there is also a story with the personnel, in the event of an exit, than entering this war it won't happen, not because the west will want to help ukraine or not ? the fact is that the current process will lead to the fact that this psychopathic person will strike nato countries. these statements he's been making lately that you're there or not... not on good memory, what do you represent imagine a war between russia and nato, remember the conversations in 2010, remember the conversations later

in 2018 and so on, this is a psychopathic person for whom such statements are not a position, they are an announcement of his actions, and this is the only way to perceive it. and i do not want to list the facts of violations of territorial, airspace, maritime space, which are currently taking place in the baltic sea and so on, which russia is currently creating on the border there with finland, i am not talking about what is happening on the belarusian-polish border the border, because everyone thinks that it is over there some migrants there, well, the migrants there seem to have killed a polish soldier, those who think so are in vain, they are in vain they think so, this is... absolutely lies, planned provocations, the essence of which was much greater, and we still do not know what what happened when the poles

focused all their attention on this point, what happened in other places of this border and so on, what happened in other parts, the current process, which, the investigation that is going on in the czech republic, belgium, poland, france, germany regarding the residence of the russian , he showed such... in the security system european, he showed such a strong integration of european political forces into the fsb system, if this is brought to its logical conclusion, it will reveal not only serious failures in the system of european countries, including the nato system. therefore, i do not see how much more information will come out. because the issue in the confrontation between nato and russia is not only because nato does not understand something, nato understands everything perfectly, nato sees where the führer

of moscow is going, nato perfectly understands how much agents today in the national security systems of states, countries, nato, it is already coming out completely, and you understand that with such dynamics it is possible to say that it can be resolved. or at the negotiating table, well, it is necessary, it is simply necessary to be an inadequate person in such a situation. ok, mr. roman, we are talking about the situation in our country, yes, because the western allies are ready to supply us with everything, except personnel, we understand that certain processes are ongoing in us, the implementation of the draft law, which began on may 18, we see various information - psychological operations, sociology shows a certain weariness of society and so on... on the other hand, i don't know what the enemy's situation is in reality, but putin has also not taken public additional mobilization steps, maybe he will do it

this fall, maybe he won't will leave, and will continue to use simply the purchase of recruits, so in certain states, and will recruit additional personnel, tels for money, but how should we be in that situation? well, judging by what the führer is saying and judging by how it's increasing. the number of recruits companies abroad, the situation there is unpleasant, but that is the case. mr. antin, the situation is not that, now, who has more resources, in ukraine or in russia, and it is so clear that manpower is more in russia, because there are 100, almost 140 million people, everyone understands this very well, that is not the point , the point is that it is this polarization that is going on that i am paying attention to. which divides the world, it forces both sides to be more and more close, it will lead to the fact that the topic of personnel

. it will be resolved due to the fact that this closeness and the need to protect each other, will be so high that the topic of personnel, it will be resolved, i will emphasize this once again, it is a matter of time, what is the time filled with, the answer to this question was given long ago by both mark milli and zaluzhny in that article, with a technological leap, everything was described in great detail. well , you understand how it is with us, the person who was supposedly appointed, but not really appointed, left, everything she said, and there are those four points, the first, they are the most important, what it is possible to compensate for this man power, which is unmatched only by technological growth, it is interesting that when i was studying the situation at the st. petersburg conference, i came across...

an article by the former chairman of the verkhovna rada of crimea, konstantinov, who writes that in the current situation, ukraine radically changes his technological approach to conducting operations, and this radically increases her chance, i don't know who wrote it to him, or someone told him these things, but in fact mark milley and zaluzhny, they were actually in charge. on this problem of inequality of resources, and inequality of technological leap, so that the ukrainian armed forces have more chances, range, respectively, the current maneuvers that are being conducted, they gave permission, they did not give it, this is a consequence of the lack of strategy, we are with you on this topic 100 once they spoke, i want to emphasize once again that if there is no... clearly

defined goal, these conversations gave permission, did not give permission, will be conducted from morning to evening, and they are clear to me, they are explanatory, from here it is obvious that the first task, which are tactical in this situation, which is being held now, it is to form an answer to this question together with the allies, it can be formed no earlier than the election of the new nato leadership, and after that this process will begin, yes... roman, well, but instead you mentioned the former commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the forces of ukraine, general zaluzhnyi, yes, well, we remember what the criticism was, from whom it came, and as far as we understand, it was relayed someone's thoughts, yes, and then everything ended with what, landing in the direction of london, now we we hear too similar voices regarding a number of senior ukrainian generals, in particular regarding the new

post-retirement commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, colonel-general syrskyi. are we preparing another big rotation again and what are the possible consequences of this? i can draw only one conclusion in this distant phenomenon: you know, so far they are not running around ukraine, you remember, with posters and the crowd that will be shot, hanged and so on, because it happened in our history, this means that we are healthy and if... we have one exception there two or three, and even this one, if this exception is sitting in the hall of the verkhovna rada, then i will tell you this, in any healthy body there are not some places without problems, sometimes a nail has broken off somewhere, then somewhere it has split and so on , another matter is what you hinted to me, if this is not a special operation in order to start spinning in the information space, but this

is possible only when... it comes from the same room, and i would even say from the same office in the bank , if it is, well, it is more than dangerous, but i am still that i attribute this to the first option, that the dogs are barking, and the caravan is going, it is doing its job, and although anyone will tell you that in war conditions, such barking... it is very, very dangerous, because it is scary not for the political leadership, not for the establishment, it is terrible for society, it divides society, it divides people on the front line very quickly, and it can have very unpleasant consequences, well, we just understand how delicate it is.