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from the time since this final communique was adopted by the participants of the peace summit and how the russian military is currently behaving in the occupied zaporizhzhia, what is happening there? unfortunately, nothing has changed, the enemy controlled 100% of the territory of zaporizhzhya oest and still controls it, today electricity is not produced in zaporizhzhya oest, and there are constant risks that even the reserve power lines that participate in the e-e. .. take part in cooling, then they are interrupted, they are restored, so it is an object of increased threat, which is under the control of the enemy, which definitely poses a danger to absolutely everyone, the inhabitants of our continent. i thank you very much, mr. ivan, for joining, for informing. the topic is important, as people's deputies say, very sensitive, and you need to understand all the information surrounding the construction of fortification structures, including ivan fedorov, the head of the zaporizhia regional military administration.
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broadcasting well, people's deputies supported the creation of military police. the bill passed the first reading. for, 247 voted chosen ones the explanatory note states that the active military service of law and order does not have any powers to carry out operational and investigative measures and bring guilty persons to justice. it is this body in the armed forces of ukraine that should be replaced by the military police with expanded functions. the main thing is her. appointment, law and order and military discipline in the ministry of defense, the armed forces of ukraine and the state special transport service. military policemen will look for and detain deserters, follow them order on highways, prevent offenses among military personnel. moreover , the total number of military policemen will be 1.5% of the total number of the armed forces. currently, the state bureau of investigation, which is overburdened, deals with crimes among the military, and the military prosecutor's office and the courts in general. no, precisely the absence of these
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institutions is blamed by the opposition in the verkhovna rada as the main problem of this draft law. for example, iryna gerashchenko from european solidarity calls the military police, i quote, a repressive body against themselves military personnel and policemen. by the way, write in the comments how you evaluate this bill, how you feel about it and what you know. meanwhile, solomiya bodbrovska is a representative of the voice and members of the committee on issues of national security, defense and intelligence are in touch with us. mrs. solomi, i am you. congratulations, glory to ukraine, good morning. kudos to the heroes, thank you for joining. in fact, in your social networks you called the bill absolutely strange. this is a direct quote. with your national security committee, as you can understand, with your post, they did not consult, so the committee really did not give any proposals, approvals, because in fact, it is a matter of the military, it is primarily a matter of your committee as well. and indeed, our committee was not brought up on this issue, despite the fact that my personal request was and sounded, because this bill was supposed to be brought up two weeks ago. and there was
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a scandal within the council itself, and this issue was removed from the agenda, because not all factions supported it, there was no consensus, but it was decided this week on the run quietly conduct this military police, and it is very strange to me that on the one hand , the law enforcement committee conducted it, and on the other hand, they did not even inform the national security committee, although you were also supposed to be either a profile or an adjacent profile, and in fact we will still be with this is what we have to face the most, not the law enforcement committee, eh... and actually what happened is that when we ask our colleagues why you did it, what you did it for, i understand that there was some kind of working group, which there was not much about who knew, or no one knew, but nevertheless, how it can be done without a specialized committee, it’s a mystery to me, that’s why this bill is strange to me, why is it strange, because this body made such impressions, you know, like a hare, i want to make a giraffe there and let’s call it the military police, but giving a new name does not change the meaning and no capacity changes and no context changes. moreover,
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let's regulate, rename everything to the police, let's have full control here to prevent, prevent, detect any violations of the armed forces, by the way, this only applies to the armed forces, and indeed dstt, but another story, i am interested in the question, if a serviceman, for example, of the national or state border service, who is in uniform, and which is a sleeve chevron, carries out? violation and will pass by the military police, they will simply pass by and call the civilian police in order to sort out the story, or as it should be in our country, that is, the national guard and the border guards remain outside the influence of the military police under this bill, so because when we talk when about what in we should have a body, conditionally , the military service, in fact, which applies to all our servicemen, then let's talk not only about those forces that are under the ministry of defense, but also...
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adjacent ones, because we have other defense forces, who wear a military uniform, who are military personnel at the moment until the end of, for example, martial law, such things can be regulated, moreover, when, why the opposition, and we are talking about it, and... they will tell you everything, everyone will repeat the same lawyers and lawyers, first of all, no understand why we create a military police from the vsp, only because of smears, or because someone has to be a novice, or because badak cannot remove the military services of law and order, or because he cannot find capabilities, that is, what is the problem, no one will explain from where come out, moreover, we used to have a law enforcement formation with military functions, now a military formation with law enforcement functions, it's just some kind of play on words, and when we look at the pro- functionality really, it's... uh, minimally expanded, but when we have operational and investigative activities, we do not have a pre-trial investigation, so far there is in this draft law, moreover, who are specialists, and specialists can be mobilized people, who are such mobilized people there purely or after military service, well, they are not guarantors, right it is not written that these are people with a legal education
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or there are those or those who are generally capable of performing their duties professionally, accordingly, this bill raises a lot of questions, and in our country, as always, it is done in the opposite way, and when we say, for example , in general, one of the reasons and such common problems about which we do not have in ukraine, this is a very sensitive topic, a very painful topic, it is deep and important, it is called military justice, when there should be such a triangle: we want it or not, ready or not, from the courts, prosecutors , of course there and to the police, yes, but it should all work in a connection, not when we create some hybrid, there is no, that is not, but let's do the police, because someone wants so, because it happened three times three attempts in ukraine since the 15th year to do this military the police, but as a matter of fact, what are we doing and what are we doing, madam slumi, we are adding to our conversation vladlena neklyudov, she is a people's deputy from the servant of the people and a member of the committee on law enforcement activities, actually the head of the subcommittee on the activities of the prosecutor's office, mr. volodin, we welcome you, i congratulate you, thank you for joining in,
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here are the questions of your colleagues, in particular in solum bobrovska, about why this draft law does not specify how the military police will act in the event that they for example, there are border guards or national guardsmen. to walk down the street and commit some kind of probable offense and so on, all these questions that are surrounding this, after all, why did they decide to create the military police now in exactly the ways that it was done and why precisely on the basis of the military law enforcement service, this is key? well, first of all , i want to say that the military police is very necessary, as well as the reform, tsalmiya said, i also agree with this, as well as the reform of the entire military, as well as the reform of the entire military justice system, this is the first step. and he is very important because imagine if it hadn't happened, if we had removed the noise from our streets, from our streets instead of the police, then ask yourself what happened, there was anarchy, there would be chaos, such chaos can be, and maybe it is in in the ranks of the armed
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forces of ukraine there at the front, and therefore this issue is very important, first of all, we must ensure through... the military police to ensure law and order there in order to strengthen the commanders, because it is very difficult for them now, when their commands are not carried out, people are fleeing from the front, and military personnel, yes ours the soldiers are running away, there is no military police, and it is a very big joke, in fact, mr. vladen, and the vsp, the military service of law and order, was not supposed to monitor this, it was not...
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military policemen in uniform, that they ensure law and order, that they are also on the roads, that they can stop them if they violate law and order, we saw that... policemen, civilians, they cannot fully ensure law and order, and that 's what happened in vinnytsia or in what region, in my opinion vinnytsia, when they killed policemen, military personnel, this is just that example, me i bring it up when i say that if there were military police, maybe there would not have been such a cynical and such a daring crime, so in my opinion it is very important, on the basis of the military service of law and order, it is obvious, because there is some. .. kastyak yes, you know the foundation on the basis of which it can be created, i think that we don’t need to experiment here, because we worked as a working group for a year and a half anyway, and it was very difficult when there were a lot of, you know, questions, very, very many versions,
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proposals, and we have to move, we have to take care, as i have already said, to ensure law and order at the front among the military service and in the ranks of the minister. defense, so that they also feel that there are military police, it will be, you know, bigger, more to such a degree, it will be like implementing a preventive function, they will be afraid, you know? as they say that if there is a pike in the river, it will not hold a crucian carp, this is very important, let's ask solomiya, i just want us to have a discussion, because after all, solomiya communicates with the military very often, considering that , which is included in profile committee, mrs. solomiya, will they be afraid of such statements ? do you agree, disagree, or not at all agree, because when a military officer violates, he is absolutely indifferent to the opinion of the commander or those who are looking for, or the desire of everything is higher and greater let's be honest . eh, than the probability of dying, for example, somewhere on the left bank of kherson, it is one or two,
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it seems to me that if our country’s classics, when some body does not cope, then its staff is expanded, managers are changed and give authority, instead of creating another punitive history with the police, why am i emphasizing this, despite the fact that i understand that the history of discipline is difficult, we already have civilians, mobilized, probably, this is a good part of the defense forces today, and you need to find not all of them. administration, and three years ago, you know, the general staff insisted that we strengthen criminal liability for those who do not comply with the order, notes and so on, we did it, after three years, finally the military command recognized that this was a mistake, and a mistake, as far as i am concerned, from this story, which is not finished, not thought out, no, not developed and will not be, it will function, of course, but for me it is a completely lobbyist story, when within the armed forces there is its punitive body, and for that, and more than that, we are concerned here with supremacy. the administration, in general, this military justice and the police, and in the courts and in 5-8-28 this whole system, it seems to me that
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here we always have military problems with this, that is why, for example, lubinets himself is not enough, and the representative of the verkhovna rada for rights human our committee is not enough, the tsk is not enough, and we are trying to find it, we are trying to find it, because it is not just a question of punishing everyone and putting them in prison, we do not have enough room for all these people, who will really be a violator there and we will be all here we are replanting, the question then is who will fight, so... three minutes, i would like to clarify how to correctly interpret the thesis that the military police will work in the tsk, that is, they will monitor the violations of whom exactly in the tsk, those conscripts , which were delivered, or after all, by employees tsc? no, no, those who were delivered, this is not their sphere of activity, that is, the employees of the tsk will be monitored by the military police, yes, sir, and i also want to tell you, if you can take two seconds, that in fact, unfortunately, today we do not have the military command can say how many violations were discovered,
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the tsc exceeded its powers during this entire period, a month, two and even three years, the question is that when we start, whatever the history in odessa with the medics, if would not happen to us, especially in in zakarpattia, chernivtsi, and odesa regions, we have a lot of these violations, when people are simply taken away by physical force, and unfortunately, we have investigations and findings of these regarding the central central committee. moments and there are absolutely no investigations, i doubt that the military police will do it openly, because it is one system, well, it is unlikely that it will punish itself, so i am very skeptical about it, well, we have it, we have it yes yes, i want to say that this is only the first reading, and straw i think will be very actively involved in the amendment between the first and the second, and there are those issues that she says, i think that she will implement either herself or through... the help of her colleagues, because i think there will be a lot of amendments there, and the law will change there , and there are those moments
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that you say there, regarding the national guard, regarding the border guards, they, i think, will definitely find their embodiment, and there will be fewer questions, but one more minute, we have a minute left, and one more question, with about denunciations, as interpreted by the media on those who can evade mobilization, in fact, i now i will try to read the thesis from this draft law, if it is from there after all, which will... materially and morally encourage persons who provide assistance in the prevention, detection and cessation of criminal offenses, how to interpret it, is it possible that this thesis is interpreted incorrectly, and there is no mention of evaders at all, and there it is not denunciations, as they have already dubbed it, well denunciations are our national property in a bad way or i don’t know in what sense, we have whistleblowers and we have all those who loves us, a friend, to watch over one factory, that's it that's why i'm not surprised, well, people are stimulated, they want for... law and order, how it will work, i don't know yet, so i think i
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'll say it again, between the first and second we will work, and the final version is in the hall we will accept it, because it is still too early to say, yes, i thank you very much for joining, thank you for the discussion, kubila bobrovska, national security committee, representative of the own voice faction, and we were also contacted by a representative of the people's servants, who representing the law enforcement committee, mr. vladlen, i thank you for your participation. we talked about the creation of the military police in ukraine, as well as about the actual situation with fortifications in various ukrainian regions, these are important topics, you often write to us about this in the comments, we are trying to find answers to... the questions that appear with you, which appear with us, as with journalists, and that is why rfe/rl constantly tries to involve both sides in the conversation in order to still find answers to these questions and the information was objective, in write what topics in the comments you are interested, maybe don't stop by our broadcast , and share this video with your friends, answers to important questions were heard here, my name is oleg galiv, this is the freedom of mornings project,
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process. hungary is legalizing ukrainians with expired visas, now. passports, will they stop there, or is this finally the limit? look, i wouldn't thicken the paint, maybe not so much with passports, although there were interesting stories there, in front of my eyes, somehow my grandfather forgot to change his passport, and showed the ukrainian border guards a hungarian passport, not a ukrainian one, and the ukrainian border guard told him that grandpa, if you have to show your ukrainian passport here, because you... they entered there wrongly, you have this calculation there , that is, even with those double passports there was not such a big problem, but although it was a violation of those ukrainian-hungarian agreements that were signed in the 90s with regarding these documents in hungary is even easier, in fact, this is a technical matter, of course, it is a question of how
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it is, how it is, how it should legally operate from the point of view of the relationship between ukrainian citizens and the ukrainian state, because there it is does not give anything, that is, if you have an expired passport, relatively speaking, then if your ukrainian state... well , the relationship will be completely different, that's the key thing, and for hungary it's a typical thing, for example, people still travel with expired passports, because you see, they have been under a state of emergency since 2020, first because of the pandemic, and then because of how they formulated the war in a neighboring country, there even recently was such a strange case that a hungarian journalist, whom we wanted to help there to cover the events in ukraine, came here with an expired passport. there, and we say, well, dude, you're not coming in, he says, but how, well, it’s allowed here, even our border guards, if they don’t pay attention to it, because we have a special government decree there, because at first there was
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a pandemic, we couldn’t update, the authorities there didn’t do it, now this is also an emergency situation, so look, this is more of a technical, technical moment than some political moment, after all, look, if this is the country of stay of ukrainian refugees, yes, and even that it is hungary, yes, with all its such a reputation. helps ukrainian refugees to avoid such bureaucratic problems moments within the country itself, this is good, here the question is key, again it remains open, this is the relationship between a citizen of ukraine outside ukraine and the ukrainian state itself, you remember this whole story with consular services and so on and the like, here is the key the question is, what does the ukhodshchyna do, mr. dmytro, but if you look at it from our side, have there already been these stories? leaves with one passport, leaves with another, two passports are prohibited in our country, this case was with mp victoria ferens, you probably know, yes she is,
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among those 11 meps from viktor orbán's fidesz party, how did she run for office , the fact that she still has a hungarian passport in her pocket, how will they answer that now? er, yes, and the previous one is actually a candidate of andrey ondrei or andrey bochkor , she also, as i know, has retained her ukrainian citizenship and the fact that she was a member of the european parliament from fidesz, these two past weeks seem to be two, if i’m not mistaken, you know, i think that by the way, i saw ms. viktoria because i was once on a scholarship there in hungary, i was just in this institute where she is she has been working for a long time, she left ukraine quite a long time ago, and here there is another point that, well , she ran as a hungarian citizen, you know, if that was the case, she is really sensitive, with these passports, with citizenship, and it seems to me that there are proposals of this government and it
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started under poroshenko, there was an idea, not to legalize multiple citizenship, but by legalizing it, to regulate these relations, even if i am not mistaken, poroshenko discussed this personally with orban in 2015 in malta, or there 16 -th year, it seems, that is, this there is one... which must finally be completed so that we understand how to interpret what, so that there are no such things, yes, ms. viktoria, another question is that she was not in ukraine, and in beregov and in transcarpathia, that is, representing transcarpathian hungarians , she if, well, no, well, they say that she represents the transcarpathian hungarians, what kind of connection does she have there, what is this information, that is, it seems to me more, to be honest, like such a very, very political story, such , who was actually with andrey bochkor, you know what it's like... representing transcarpathian hungarians, defending their interests, in fact, very often did, if they were worse off, you know, what with the current debate between kyiv and budapest
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about the rights of the hungarian national minority in the context of european integration, all hungarians here in transcarpathia want to join the european union, and they want ukraine to join the european union, and budapest often acts in such a way that under the pretext of protecting transcarpathian hungarians, they block ukraine's movement towards the european union, that is , the diametrical opposite, and here it is very important, that... ms. victoria should not do this, so that you understand that rights in the european union, well, if you knew there, it is a matter of feeling, how your rights are protected, they are not protected, but they will be much more protected in the european union than when ukraine will be outside the borders of the european union, not to mention other consequences, and this has already been confirmed by many such border discussions, which immediately disappeared, as the internal borders in the european union disappeared, i followed this on the example of slovenia and italy. so in the trieste area, it was very very sensitive, but you talked about it, that they are so much in favor that they are against it, and in fact they are holding us back, oksana and i paid attention to how
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well the opposition leader petr madyar conducts his campaign, without having access to orban's monopolized media , and now we are sitting and fighting for his audience, for his voters, then he actually focuses on them, and now he declares that he is against sending weapons to help the armed forces of ukraine, and of course, that there is categorically that there should be some hungarian troops somewhere were on the eastern front, and how is it different then politics, it's politics, to put it simply... he needs these votes, and he understands that if he categorically changes his mind, nothing will happen, really peter madir, look, this is an open question, such a black lion, this is a person, a politician, about whom few people knew there before february 9 to february 10, so during this spring election campaign, he already had such a, well, not to say that, but such a test by ukraine, when he just gave out on the first question about ukraine, well, in that including these things,
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but also the rest... such very typical narratives hungarian propaganda, which in many respects overlap with russian propaganda, and of course he was never pro-ukrainian, i am sure he is not pro-ukrainian, but the question is, you know, to what extent, because even orbán before the invasion of 22 i can't say that he, you know, and, it, it, it was a watershed. that is, if after the invasion you continue to say that ukraine does not need help, that troops are okay, this is such a decision that your troops go to ukraine to fight, fine, but if you say that ukraine cannot be sent military aid and or some other help, this is usually an indicator of pro-ukrainianism, pro-europeanism and anti-ukrainianism and anti-europeanism. orban did not pass this test, that is, his position from the 22nd year was clear, he went significantly
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to... but in this anti-ukrainianism, now peter madir will be tested, and you see, he is from the point of view of this pro-europeanism, pro-ukrainianism, well makes the appropriate rank, but let's see, he is only now revealing himself as a politician, that is, we can only now understand what his views are, what his proposals are, because until now that was all protest, he said everything against orbán, yes or he said the same thing that orbán only said that i will do... better, i will do differently, and in general orbán is old, discredited, he should go, and his whole party, that's it his entire campaign was being built, mr. dmytro, we have a moment before the news, i wanted to ask, and when in the second half of the eu council is chaired by hungary, orbán will wear a trump cap and t-shirt, will he not wear it, because they make europe great again, this is an option now only to wear a t-shirt with trump. look, they already have everything, they have
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a cap. they have a t-shirt, they have body wraps, you know how they do it, that's why they, well, yes, yes, yes, a tattoo shop, well, that's what it's called, i don't know, but they have everything, i don't know if he will start giving it away, but really they are preparing for trump, under trump, without joking, and you should not underestimate orbán in this regard, because he will try to unite the european right under an alliance with trump, and this is a dangerous thing, uh, but there is hope, it's mrs. meloni and the polish dog, to us it is necessary to work with them so that this right-wing agenda is not exactly anti-ukrainian. mr. dmytro, thank you for the analysis of the current situation, the director of the institute of central european strategy, an expert on ukrainian-hungarian relations, dmytro tuzhansky was with us, it's time to hand over the pass to our colleagues of the news service. yes, because khrystyna porobiy and the team have already prepared the latest information about the most important things in ukraine and the world at this moment. so christina, tell me what you have. wh- what's on your
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release today? thank you, colleagues, with which the company concluded an agreement with ukroboronprom, i will tell you in the release, as well as whether the eu countries managed to agree on a new package of sanctions against russia, in a moment, wait. news on espresso, i'm khrystyna porubiy, i'll talk about the most relevant thing at the moment: germany has blocked the 14th package of sanctions against russia, all because of the country's objections to liquefied natural gas, - reuters reports. according to the publication , disagreements arose between chancellor olaf scholz and the ministry of foreign affairs.

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