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i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, mr. sergey, congratulations. let's, mr. alexander, let's talk about putin's trip to east asia, north korea, vietnam, before that there was china, and there is already a reaction from our western partners, who say that putin is trying to create a coalition of anti-western states, authoritarian states, and about authoritarianism . nato secretary general jend stoltenberg also talks about these authoritarian states. he says that the treaty between russia and north korea demonstrates the mutual support of authoritarian states. let's hear what he said. north korea has provided russia with a huge amount of ammunition. we actually see them loading containers of munitions onto trains in north korea, and those trains go all the way to the line. the front, they

are unloaded there and these ammunitions fall directly to the front, hitting the ukrainians. of course, in return, russia gives something to north korea. we are very deeply concerned about the possibility of russia supporting their nuclear and missile programs. mr. oleksandr, given the list of countries plus iran and plus syria, does this mean that putin will... create some alternative to the north atlantic alliance and create such a military bloc with the participation of asian and east asian countries? well, even if he wanted to, he wouldn't be able to do it, because there is a more powerful player there, china, with whom all these countries count more than with the russian federation, of course, what he has, there is a coincidence of interests with china, of course, but there are also disagreements, and i even... to be honest,

i cannot imagine how happy beijing was about this security agreement with kimchynin, and how happy they are that the russian the federation is willing to share with this short dictator, in exchange for ammunition and equipment , and missile technology, space technology and maybe even nuclear if it comes to nuclear submarines, so i think this is an effort and... at least make it look like that he is not in isolation, that he does not need the west, he can rely on the so-called global south, this is such a rather vague term, and in fact there is no global south, well, he is trying to create such and such an impression, and the actual meaning of this visit was to gain support, i i think that, first of all, north korea, in vietnam, he was mostly interested in...

private projects, it is clear that the loss of sales markets in civilized countries pushes him to look for new partners, and vietnam has traditionally been, let's say, , an important buyer of russian weapons before the large-scale invasion, almost 80% of what vietnam imported came from russia, so yes, this is indeed an attempt to formalize this axis in a certain way. anti-liberal news, but i do not think that anyone sees such a capable leader in russia and that anyone wants to create certain blocs in order to counteract and, god forbid, to fight with western countries, primarily with the united states, but north korea, it is one of those countries against which a lot of sanctions have been introduced, and this is a country. well, it sounds

better in russian, probably more understandable in this situation, that is, north korea is an exile in the world, and putin does everything to... justify kimchen's authoritarianism, dictatorship, and does everything to explain, that the west, they say, behaves unfairly with north korea, today he was in vietnam and told journalists that the sanctions against north korea remind him of the blockade of leningrad, well, that is, some kind of comparison, to be honest, something that cannot be compared, as ivan stepanovich plyusch said: you can't push the non-moving ones, well it's about the same thing, you see, he took and compared some two different situations, but the very fact that putin is in north korea is a sign that he wants to use the military potential

of korea, north korea, which is 80% there, probably that they produce in the country, these are weapons, and these weapons are of different quality, well, we also know that kimchynin's grandfather, kimirsen, was already a captain in the soviet army, well , the impression is that it is all similar to what putin is trying to do in the post-soviet space now, i.e. somewhere, these slides were not scattered around ukraine and did the same thing, yes, by the way, unfortunately, so far i did not have free access to the agreement signed by north korea and the russian federation and... it caused such a response in the expert environment , since there is a clause that in the event of an attack on one of the countries, then another will provide military and other aid, it is true that there are conditions of national legislation and article 51 of the un charter, i.e. the right to

self-defense, but by and large , these formulations are taken from the 1960s. when there was an evil empire, a communist evil empire, well, there were such satellites, and it is clear that putin is constantly trying to invent something new, looking at what the soviet union was already doing at one time, and if we are talking about north korea, well , of course, that these are outcasts, you are absolutely right, but already recently, after a large-scale invasion has already happened several times, when the russian federation as a... member of the security council, effectively blocked the continuation of sanctions against this regime, that is, it is trying to use its, so to speak, formal status of the russian federation in order to help the north korean dictator to he helped him in the war

against but you know, there is also a positive thing in this agreement, which is that south korea will probably revise its, let's say, views on the supply of weapons to... the country, if until recently it was neolithic weapons, then given the rapprochement of north korea with the russian federation, perhaps we can count on south korean weapons and ammunition, and they are in large quantities , first of all, and secondly, they are of no worse quality than the americans, for the most part they produced under license , and there are of course our own developments, that's why such... putin's step he may find out positively for him, or rather positively for us, negatively for him, of course there will be other consequences, first of all the countries of the region will understand that russia is increasing its negative influence, trying to undermine security, although if you look at

the joint communiqué after the visit to vietnam, there are such, you know, pharisaical phrases that... both countries will contribute to the establishment of a multipolar world, rightly so, which based on the un charter, on the rejection of threats to use force, let alone the use of force in the world, then he says the right things that are written in the un charter, but in reality we understand that neither he nor you, with whom he signs such documents , already are definitely not those who follow the letter and spirit of the un charter. mr. oleksandr, today at the end of his visit to vietnam, putin spoke a lot, including about ukraine to journalists, he commented on his so-called peace initiatives, with which he came out on the eve of the global peace summit, and what he said, he said about what the reaction of western countries

was predictable, and russia's proposals regarding the future of the russian-ukrainian war will change depending on the situation on the ground, this is the first, second, for russia. strategic defeat will mean the end of its statehood, if the west wants it, then they will fight to the end, because there is nothing to fear and we must go to the end, and thirdly, what... putin said that if ukraine expects that russian troops will leave the territory of the ukrainian state, then this will never happen, well, in fact, he specified his so-called peace plan, which actually means a war plan, well, that is, what he said a week ago, it was simply a challenge to our western partners and ukraine, and its conditions, they were unacceptable, or ot... it determines that in putin has enough strength and opportunities

to participate in the russian-ukrainian war for a long time, to wage this war, and most importantly to keep his large military contingent on the territory of the ukrainian state in the temporarily occupied territories, but you know, i think he himself does not know , whether he has enough strength, because i understood from the fact that when he decided on a large-scale invasion. that he does not have adequate information and understanding about his own forces, about ukraine, well , they miscalculated the reaction of the world, first of all, of course, free countries. second moment, it is clear that he will pretend to be someone who has set himself up for a long conflict, that he can mobilize all available resources to continue the war, but this may be an illusion, because of course, there are... of the same history of the same soviet union, which

fought in afghanistan, the efficiency of the economy, which was absolutely insufficient, for all those, let's say, expenses to support the eastern bloc, to participate in various projects in other parts of the world, and all this sharpened the soviet union together, understandably with... the fact that the ideology itself has rotted. in today's russia, there is actually no ideology, it is such, you know, one might say, an eclectic collection of various things from the empire of the soviet union, and plus they clearly borrow, even in rhetoric, from nazi germany. how strong this structure is, you know, and what it can withstand in the long run, no one knows, so he can say anything, the situation could be different. but it's very good that he says these things, it's such, you know, a cold shower,

especially for those europeans who so far they say nothing about compromises, that ukraine must make a decision, because this war has reached a dead end, this is a reminder that this war has a genocidal character, an existential character for ukraine, that if for europe, for the west as a whole, it would be acceptable for ukraine lost and ceased to exist and... exist as an outpost of the free world on the european continent, then of course you can push ukraine to compromises or reduce aid and then, of course, putin will be satisfied. well, it is clear that these are his performances, they are based on him calculations that the political situation in europe may change as a result of the elections to the european parliament, national parliaments there, let's see what will happen in france. but it is also important that trump comes to the white house next year, and it is clear that then

the situation may be a little better for him, i do not know about trump's reaction, no one can predict now, because his unpredictability is such a horse, he thinks that it is very good for negotiations in both business and politics, no one guarantees that he, shall we say, will turn away from ukraine immediately, or not because of certain calculations, because of... the advice of the military and diplomats, tsruushniki cannot change his mind and start putting pressure on russia, especially if he hears and feels that it is possible to win this war and enter history as a man who like reagan, well, actually brought about the collapse of the evil empire, so all of those factors, of course, they're going to play such a role for us negatively, it's going to mean that he's going to throw whatever powers he has, but... on the other hand we still have time to prepare, we have time

to work with this administration in washington, and with our european partners, convincing us that we have no other option but to remain, so to speak, a sovereign state and preserve our nation, our identity, and for that we need primarily conventional defense assistance, but also long-term the obligations of our partners, well, it is actually included in formally included in the idea. security bilateral agreements that we sign with our partners, which give us some understanding for the future, how we will be support our partners. mr. oleksandr, immediately. immediately after the end of the global peace summit, the ukrainian side announced that work on the global peace summit-2 was starting, and zelenskyi and yarmak did not rule out that a representative of the russian federation could be at this second peace summit, at the same time, as he writes in his telegram channel head of the office of the president of ukraine, preparations

for the second peace summit continue, and again, again the enemy is trying to... make attempts to disrupt this summit, the russians are upset by the support of ukraine in the west and among the countries of the global south, however, the reality is that a just peace, according to the un charter, will still defeat the enemy's attempts to change the world order and the rules of the game, they will have to be accepted, is there a prospect that the enemy will accept the world order and rules games to the second. peace summit and will become one of the participants of this peace summit, as both zelenskyi and yarmak said at one time. well, is it possible to become a participant of the summit, probably yes, there may be such a situation when our partners will insist on this, and we saw the reason why the chinese were not present at the first

peace summit, because they think that if russia had been there, there would have been some positive result. and i... why both the president and the head of the office say that the possibility of the participation of russian representatives is not excluded in order not to discourage, not to reduce the support for us from our western partners, here it is absolutely clear whether the russians will undermine the next summit whether with the participation of russia or not, of course yes, and they are of course partially satisfied that a certain number of countries were not present, first of all of course it is... china and a certain number of countries did not sign the final communique, which by and large is not so much anti-russian, in this communique everything was in principle from the point of view of international law, primarily the un charter, everything was written correctly and there is nothing to argue with, and it is clear that the next summit,

it will consider other points and more inconvenient for the russian federation, but... i want to agree with mr. putin on one thing, that any parameters of the end of this war, i am not talking about negotiations or, therefore, some there are agreements, some kind of compromises, any parameters depend on what is happening on the fronts, and it is clear that the most important diplomats now are not ukrainian diplomats or our partners, but our military, who create... the basis for so that this war ends sooner, i do not believe in diplomacy with the russian federation, since we have no room for compromise, since this war has an absolutely clear genocidal character, diplomacy has never stopped genocides, it could of course to help the victim of such genocide in any

way, in our case it is defensive, economic, humanitarian, diplomatic. help, as well as the introduction of sanctions, limiting the resource base for the aggressor, to continue this war, so diplomacy is diplomacy, but it will definitely not lead us to peace at the end of this year, wherever this summit will take place, the most important diplomacy is on the battlefield , and for formal diplomats it is supported, let's say, the engagement of the same, the same level of support, god grant more, in order to everything is not... in order for our military to defend the state, liberate the territory, they had. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation, it was diplomat oleksandr hara, and friends, we continue our work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and

facebook, please don't forget to subscribe to our pages, like this video and vote. in our survey: do you see an increase in the fight against corruption in ukraine? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if your answer is more extensive than two answers, either yes or no, please write about it in the comments, it is important for us to know your opinion, and if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone and phone and vote if you think there is a strengthening of the fight against corruption in ukraine (0800-211,381) no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program we will match the results of this vote. we will be in touch later viktor shlinchak, chairman of the board. institute of world politics. mr. viktor, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. congratulations sergey, thank you for inviting me. so, let's start with corruption, because we are asking our

tv viewers whether they see or not the strengthening of the fight against corruption. today, the washington post already writes that zelensky was disappointed by blinken's attention to corruption in ukraine during the last meeting. according to the publication , the relationship between the authorities of ukraine and the united states of america is more tense in the fight against corruption, which creates a constant threat to help kyiv, i will quote the publication. many in zelenskyi's camp say in private conversations that while corruption remains a problem, anti-corruption efforts will distract from what they believe should be the main focus of defeating russia, the washington post writes. mr. viktor, do you think that the current government is doing enough? efforts to fight corruption, more precisely, not even not to fight corruption, but in order to remove corruption risks from various operations and at the stage of

various transactions with money or with tenders, about just removing this corrupt component? well, this is a very philosophical question, obviously this question should be asked not to me, but to the representatives of the authorities. do they do this at all, but i understand why this question is constantly asked by our western partners, well , look, not a week goes by without some kind of information about the corrupt actions of one or another official appearing in the world media and domestic media, we know that there are more than 100 people's deputies in the parliament. there are some proceedings, and actually, this also, clearly does not beautify ukraine. we know that there are

proceedings against a whole range of government officials, moreover, sometimes it happens that we learn the name of a government official only when they start to appear in some criminal chronicles. and of course, all this cannot help but worry our western partners, because... money is allocated to support the budget, money is allocated to support the army, and in fact, if you look, think about how these people, whose decision depends on from the allocation of aid, they perceive this information from the side, then it looks like no matter how much money is given to ukraine, the money will still come here and disappear somewhere, accordingly, the motivation is lost, why give money to... the country, moreover, arguments are given to those opponents who do not want ukraine to receive money, and we this was seen very

clearly even in the speeches of the republicans, when they categorically rejected the issue of support for ukraine, certain, of course, representatives of the republican party in the house of representatives, but nevertheless, it was also one of the arguments, in addition to when we... are talking now about sociological polls, then once again the issue of corruption became dominant in these polls, and even overtook the issue of war. accordingly, this means that these are all the facts, starting from the issues there that concerned the central committee, military commissars and so on. ending with issues of mistrust of specific anti-corruption bodies, all of this is put into one such, well , we can say basket, and accordingly carries

a very negative, in principle, ee plume for those of our partners who continue to support us, well, it cannot be that when we say that we need money, uh, so that... certain people there explain corrupt actions by saying that we don't steal international aid, we steal from our budget, well, it looks funny, doesn't it, because just the ukrainian budget directly depends on direct infusions and on international organizations, on our donors, western aid, etc., so it's a fool's errand. no, it won't work, we need to really deal with this issue, and for two years, it seems to me that there was

such a thing... there is a common consensus that journalists, especially the experts did not focus on the facts of corruption in order not to give arguments to those who, realizing that it would be on the reputation of ukraine, now it resulted in such a full-scale full-scale ironing or full-scale. staff laundry, well , let's say that it is dirty laundry, and indeed every day we have some certified facts, if this is not corrected, you can be angry with our western partners, say that they are not looking in the wrong direction, you can blame, including western journalists, but you

do you remember that even... uh, simon schuster a year ago, uh, wrote a very sacramental phrase, they steal like last time, and this phrase was not liked at the time, including in the president's office, they denied it her, but instead you can refute only what is false, in this case there is still a rather large part of the facts. which, unfortunately, have confirmation. and the united states of america is well aware of what is happening with the tenders, what is happening with the use of funds, what is happening with the use of western aid funds, so you should not think that when the funds arrive in ukraine, they simply dissolve somewhere and no one sees where they go. well, if, if...

in fact, the fact that our high-ranking officials do not live on their salaries, but feel quite so well during the war , even ukrainian journalists can see, then of course our western partners also see it, the latter this story is with deputy prosecutor general dmytro verbytskyi, there is already an official investigation into his possible illegal enrichment and... the property that his girlfriend has, they bought an expensive house there during the war, this deputy prosecutor general drives expensive cars together with his girlfriend, the prosecutor general of ukraine andrii kostin was summoned to the verkhovna rada, he did not appear in although there was no prosecutor general's office in the verkhovna rada, the prosecutor general had to report on the accusations against verbytskyi,

and there the official service began. inspection, followed by a public investigation into the deputy director of the dbr oleksandr udavichenko, who lives in an apartment in one of of the most elite housing complexes in kyiv, but nothing is said in the official's declaration about this real estate, which is worth 900 thousand dollars, well, that is , such stories have appeared in the ukrainian press a lot in the last few weeks. i remember very well how in 2016 this law on anti-corruption laws was adopted and anti-corruption bodies were created, how then everyone was proud of the fact that finally in ukraine there are such bodies of justice that cannot be influenced, what are these, how will these bodies be to fight corruption in ukraine, what, mr. viktor, is gone not so? well, first of all, i'm sorry, here

i may say my subjective opinion, as a member of the commission that elected the first composition of the national committee, i stated even then that this, the division of responsibility into various anti-corruption structures will lead to the fact that we will have the problem with those in charge, that is, we now have nazk, nabu, a special anti-corruption prosecutor... hurray, we have an anti-corruption court, we have a security service, we have a web, we have, what else is the general prosecutor's office, we have there is a tax office, we now have a bunch of some bodies that, by and large, would have bear responsibility and should report to society for their work, instead you see.