of ukraine and the defense forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on these platforms, please join our pages and take part in our survey, today we ask you whether russia should be invited to the second peace summit. yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your own separate opinion that goes beyond these two unambiguous answers, write. please in the comments under the video, if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think russia should be invited to the second peace summit: 0800 211-381, not 0800-211 3802. at the end of the program, we'll tally up the results of that vote. i would like to introduce our first guest today, he is the captain of the armed forces of ukraine, a ukrainian politician and statesman, a former prosecutor general of ukraine and a former minister. internal affairs yuriy

lutsenko. yury vitalivych. good evening. i congratulate you. well, let's start with the summary global peace summit. the global peace summit concluded last sunday. much has already been said, many conclusions have already been drawn, and talk has already begun about the second peace summit. what ukraine gained and what it lost by holding the peace summit. perhaps this, about the losses, has been said too much, but what did ukraine not gain? what could i gain from this summit? when you and i and many other journalists talked before the summit, everyone wondered what its meaning was? eh, i said then that it was just the head of the president's office , yaermak decided to occupy his boss with something what he likes, a large gathering of people, loud applause, a place for pathetic... speeches, but i was not completely

right, because on the one hand i relied on simple things, last year the un general assembly 141 votes in favor and seven against, confirmed the territorial integrity of ukraine and recognized russia's aggression as inconsistent with the founding document of the united nations. after that, many more summits took place. times the number of participants, but none of this led to russia's retreat, or even the intention stop in this crazy, bloody putin adventure. so what is this summit for? and i thought that he was just so that zelensky would finally hear the applause, without which it is very difficult for him. but i was not completely right, only half. because actually, er, this summit was very, from my point of view, best characterized by a political commentator. evgeny

magda, who said that this summit in switzerland, the alpine mountains gave birth to three mice, that is, of the 10 points of zelensky's peace plan , only three remained, which were discussed by this called the global summit. there is no mention of the withdrawal of russian troops, there is no mention of money for the restoration of the ukrainian economy, compensation for the victims and suffering of the ukrainian people. there is no legal responsibility for war criminals, there are only three mice: nuclear security, food security and the exchange of captured and kidnapped children, a large number of world leaders came there, the success of ukrainian diplomacy must be recognized here, they gathered these people, more than 80 heads of state and government or high officials gathered. but there are three

points seem mythical to me, well, if you say that i am told by a super oppositionist, well, let's return to this conversation in a month, if you want, in two. do you think that after this vote, russia will give us the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant? i'm sure not. do you think that it will stop bombing odesa, mykolaiv, kherson, and izmail ports? no. you think that even thousands of our planets will give. not including the heroic azov fighters and tens of thousands of stolen children? sure not, then what was it all for? and the answer is us received just a few days before this summit, and now these answers continue every day, because in addition to the three mice that this swiss summit gave birth to, there is one more big molehill that leads zelensky to the kremlin. now all the top officials of the state... and their subordinates say that

the next summit will be with representatives of russia, that's what they themselves say, and zelensky yarmak said that we are seeing a second peace summit with the participation of the russian side, but today. leleba, by the way, clarified what they meant, because it needed clarification, he said that he admits that the experience of the black sea grain initiative can be used to participate in the second peace summit, and now we will listen to what the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine said. when ukraine held talks there with turkey and the un, then turkey and the un held talks with russia, and an agreement appeared. given as a document signed between the un turkey and ukraine and the un turkey and russia. that is, yuri vitaliyovych, i understand correctly that the first peace summit is a corridor to the next room where they will sit representatives of russia. yes, absolutely,

and the president, and the head of his office, and his minister of foreign affairs are talking about it, but yesterday our envoy in singapore made a generally sensational statement. that this summit, that ukraine does not exclude participation in the beijing, chinese format of negotiations with the russian federation. well, we were all shocked, but imagine the feelings of, for example, washington, berlin, london, paris, which for 2.5 years invested enormous efforts, funds, weapons in the victory of ukraine, and suddenly found out that the negotiations about the end of the war will hold them. strategic opponent china, just think about it, yes, it is about the wisdom of our foreign policy, now what kuleba said, i apologize, well, let's comment a little, mr. kuleba says that it is analogous to some negotiations with russia through an intermediary, the un in

this case there was already, well, okay, so what, but he failed, it was, so what, the grain corridor was safe after these negotiations, no, no. became safe only due to the actions of the armed forces of ukraine, which used naval drones to drive the black sea fleet of the russian federation under three hells all the way there somewhere in novorossiysk and they are still finishing there. that's all. i am in the middle of koleva's second initiative, about which i did not mention anything. and we did not forget how many crimean platforms we already had. last year , 80 representatives of the countries of the world gathered on the crimean platform to the fanfare of the banking turbadurs. and what, crimea, is demilitarized? occupied, he is committed to ukraine, and no, russia does not pay attention to the methods of the civilized world at all. from the very beginning of this terrible war, putin broke all the security systems established in 1945

victors over fascism. there is no un. and, by the way, this global summit in switzerland shows that there is no un platform, it has to be. it is more that the secretary general himself, who is in another place, and there were no representatives, so he worries about starving africa , did not even appear when asked about the grain corridor, magate, which the russians also have somewhere, although nuclear security was discussed and so on, the red cross did not come there, although prisoners and children were discussed, they do not come there, and russia broke all its obligations to the osce, to international institutions. in front of the international international agreements, bilateral, tripartite, any, she tore them all and fulfilled the trash, she declared that we do not want to recognize the order in the world, which guaranteed the relative security of large and small countries, strong and weak countries, established

by the victors over by hitler the new hitler does not recognize all this, and therefore to speak with them in diplomatic languages, even through intermediaries in the form of a ... half-corpse un, is, well, to put it mildly, i think it is fog. kuleba, like a diplomat, starts a fog for us. and the essence boils down to one thing: for the first time, ukraine publicly declared and even sealed in the decision of the summit that the next summit will be with russia. moreover, no prerequisites, as before, and no 10 points of zelenskyi's peace formula are heard anymore. from my point of view, this is a loss. no, ukrainian diplomacy demonstrated miracles, it was able to gather a representative summit, the ukrainian president demonstrated his ability to make public speeches, but everything else failed. a failure in the desire to lure china and

the so-called global south led by it there, they simply did not come, and those who did came actually opposed ukrainian interests. er, and the main failure is that we now agreed to talk with russia, er, and without the main condition of the withdrawal of troops. now let's look at it a little bit. well, from above, not as a summit, but as a global event at the front, as zuluzhny wrote last autumn , exactly trench warfare was established, where one and the other side do not have a serious tool to push the front, we pay for it with the lives of our soldiers and have an advantage in their heroism, resilience and the fact that... on their own land, plus western weapons are often technologically superior. the russians

have an advantage in their willingness to give their lives for this, the cabs they use to destroy our positions, and a much larger number of shells, but none the less the balance, and in this situation it becomes obvious that there is a possibility, even a necessity, to stop this form. or to find a strategic form of strategic advantage and to regain their land, or to look for a way to end the war in order to buy time, as during the minsk agreements, and build stronger armed forces, yes, at this moment both parties, who act equally in politics, in business, declare their wishes. putin stated that he would not agree to anything less than four ukrainian regions. of course, we can say a lot of words about it, we can say it in short words, but all

of them are obscene, so i will allow myself to skip these emotions, from the point of view of ukraine, we also have to make an application, zelenskyi in his speech, parisi also repeated that the border of 1991 is correct, correct, now someday these negotiations will begin, because any war ends with negotiations, for example, on ending the war. but each side is trying to become stronger until this moment, and putin is doing a lot for this, he receives a huge flow of cheap, but a large number of weapons from north korea, he receives a serious material supply from china, he cements his society, already 30% was shared somewhere. russians, who at the beginning of the war were against this war, they are simply not there anymore, he ultimately

controls belarus and can start anything there at any minute, he undermines our positions in the west, and he had a huge success when for several months we could not receive another supply of weapons, our the troops were simply bleeding without shells, missiles, etc., thank god, now this situation is a mess, it is undermining ukrainian society. from the inside, a very effective ipso against mobilization, a very effective ipso against zelensky, and so on and so forth, that is , the russians are gaining weight before the negotiations. pay attention to why he says that zelensky is illegitimate all the time. the last statement, it seems, of the leader of their pseudo-parliament, that the time has come to talk without zelensky with the only legitimate body, which they consider to be the ukrainian parliament. that is, they are also trying to undermine the ukrainian position here, and everything

is clear here, they are enemies, but they act, well, we must admit, well, quite powerfully. now the question is what the ukrainian side is doing in order to strengthen its position before a diplomatic confrontation with the enemy, with the aggressor, with criminals the ukrainian side is gathering a peace summit, not a war summit, sergius, a peace summit. and he says: "no, no, we will not mention the vivy." occupation troops, no, no, no, we will not talk about crimea, donbas, half-kherson and 2/3 of the zaporizhzhia region, we do not want this, so as not to scare the global south and china, we will not talk about anything at all, let's well, let's just start negotiations, it's very reminiscent of wednesday in the middle, after that the ukrainian authorities do everything not to cement society with the opposition, there are no more conversations years, journalism. whoever is not afraid gets a summons, or his children get a summons, and

that's why everyone is silent, well, with the exception of enough heroic, oppositional and objective journalists, unfortunately, they can be counted on the fingers of four hands, energy, well , sorry, half a billion dollars half a billion dollars was flushed down the toilet during the so-called... strengthening of the main transformer system of ukraine, but the rockets easily destroyed it all. the amount of embezzlement, i don't even want to discuss, let him deal with it. belongs, but i'm sorry, for this money we could buy 1,200 00 fpv, two fpv for each katsap. we could have destroyed all the muscovites at the front, instead of protecting our main substation from missiles with flimsy nets. the authorities continue to cover up corruption, cover up internal

conflicts, quarrel with america, er, throw... sly words to the leaders of the western world, in short, from my point of view, the ukrainian side is not raising its position before the inevitable diplomatic clash. fortunately for us, to finish this one on a positive note, this part of our conversation, in addition to zelenskyi and giokomd, our position is also shaped by the united states of america and other western allies, and therefore... despite what zelenskyi did, or rather did not do, despite all his shows in switzerland, instead of concrete work on mobilization, fortification, long-range own military industrial complex, grandfather joe, silently, without further words, simply took three russian

rubles, the ruble is now a non-convertible currency, the russian stock exchange has disappeared, according to the head of the national bank of russia , which is considered a half-genius, by the way, the leader who saved the russian economy at the beginning of the war, after the first stations. now she admits that hyperinflation is ahead, a drop in russia's exports and imports by at least 25%. in fact, this is the status of iran after the imposition of sanctions by the western world. and how did it end? we remember, oil in exchange for food, that is, they were so starving that they exchanged oil for... food and medicine, er, then biden, without thinking for a long time, agreed, well, let's say, squeezed among the european members of nato the decision that ukraine will be financed by at least 50 billion dollars in the next and subsequent years at the expense of interest from confiscated frozen russian assets,

and this money can go not only to its humanitarian goals, but also to the military. objectives, further, biden adopts, promotes the decision, it has not yet been adopted, that ramshtein, that is, the voluntary club for the defense of ukraine, should be replaced by the nato system, with a mandatory fixed contribution of all countries except hungary, 0.25%, of the expenditure part of the budget that is for us is a very serious number, then there will be a response to putin's shameful trip. on to one more blizzard of the planet to north korea, that is, thank god, our negotiating position in the course of the upcoming diplomatic clash is formed not by zelenskyi's team, but by biden's team, and there is a chance in this. you have already mentioned this trip by putin, he was in north korea, then flew to vietnam, but during a press conference in hanoi, the russian dictator

declared his readiness to continue the dialogue with the ukrainian side on the basis of the istanbul agreements of the minsk agreements, but noted that russia's proposals will change depending on the situation at the front. let's listen to a small excerpt. i don't think that such nihilism regarding our proposals will last forever, something will definitely change. in particular, our conditions will also change, depending on the situation on the ground. well, i mean, it's my understanding that the four areas he named are... they're just conversation starters, they're a maximum, they're a maximum so that we don't lose face and tell our orc subjects that we 've won, but here's what he says about but i pay attention to what he said before, the liquidation of ukraine, yes, the capture of kyiv, then he talked about left bank ukraine, yes, then about the so-called novorossia, and now

they are talking about, he says, the situation on the ground, that is, what they occupied , and he says, oh or? four oblasts, and if we can occupy another fifth, then the fifth as well, this is the translation of his statements, but why are he being asked questions, everyone understands that this violates all international agreements, and no one will recognize all the rules of coexistence in the world, and if it happens, the whole world will catch fire, because in fact putin is returning the world to the world of the 18th and 19th centuries, the strong countries are captured by the weak or ... parts of the world, including vietnam, which also has a very difficult

history with its neighbors, because vietnam also consists of at least three historical areas that have been under different occupations and under different conditions, and they all understand that these are catastrophic consequences the disappearance of rules, and putin is their symbol, so in korea he is welcomed because that dictatorship cannot live in any other way than in a state of war with the whole world, just like russia, and vietnam does not want that, and no documents on the conversion of the ruble, on the facilitation of export operations, on the avoidance of western sanctions were signed with it, all not only western countries, but also more or less civilized and successful countries are not going to be members of the club of suicidal dictators from the goyim of the world, which putin is today. and here, well, this is mr. rosin, well, who is on duty there, yes, yes, yes, these two cadres challenged the whole planet today, of course they have

the followers who sit in the bushes or in the alpine mountains and wait for the end of this to attack their neighbors , and that is why it is very important for us today to feel unity with the whole civilized world. and this unity should not be so much a diplomatic one, because putin and yin don't understand that, it should be military, we just have to give them a shout , although the danger of the union of putin and north korea should not be underestimated. we must honestly say that there are 2 million people in korea an army that really wants to fight somewhere, and to exclude the fact that... that 10 divisions arrived in ukraine, unfortunately, today no one can, and when we say north korea, the whole world immediately comes to mind, the first thing that

mentions, names of this country, illegal nuclear weapons, weak, but missiles, and they can appear anywhere, and putin's russian-style nuclear blackmail. cunningly, i think, how to say this word, it is more accurate, oh cunningness, but it can lead to the fact that it will be korean, some kind of rocket, with some kind of dirty uranium, uh, that is, putin now has a lot of new versions to scare the world, as he likes, variability appears in him, and unfortunately, yes, and we have such one way, to hold a war summit, or allow a summit ... victories, where to collect, sorry, not cape verde, probably a beautiful island country in africa that probably wants our wheat but does not vote for us, probably we

do not really need east timor, and even with all due respect to san marino , well, there is such a city, a state in italy, yes it seems to me, we need to gather those who are ready to give ukraine more weapons, more radius, and do the following, simple analysis. how does russia today surpass us in aviation? airplanes that take off from the unsinkable aircraft carrier crimea, without reaching the zone of impact of our anti-aircraft defense, hit our trenches with missiles and cruise bombs. what do we need? we need to get western weapons, maybe even south korean weapons, now the chance for weapons has opened. hit russian airports, destroy their air defense systems, launch the promised f-16s and shoot down,

for example, 20 russian planes in two weeks, then our positions at this victory summit will be high, much better than negotiations with saudi arabia, cape verde and san marino, i swear, the only way... to let putin back down is to punch him in the face. he does not consider all other diplomatic papers to be serious arguments at all. he understands only power. anyone in the world who has talked to him will tell you that. in all interviews with people who communicated with them in everyday life, at work, especially in confrontation, he understands only power. and that's why we have to ask ours now western and perhaps even asian allies, give the weapons that putin will realize. and that's it. after that, it is possible to go to negotiations, but before that, to go to the second peace summit, it means actually going to the legalization, i'm sorry,

of the istanbul capitulation. because it is not for nothing that putin published the text of the istanbul capitulation through an american newspaper on the very day or on the day of the summit, he simply shows where the ukrainian delegation was, what it initialed, and he constantly reminds of this, trying to say, this is your chance, and the chance it is terrible there, its army is reduced by 10 times, tanks and artillery remain ten times there. there are a measly 120 minometers, we still had 500 tanks, artillery systems , 300 tanks and 85 thousand ukrainian army, just think about today's million , the ukrainian language is prohibited because of the nazis being punished, neutrality is mandatory, we have to ask russia for permission to conduct military maneuvers, we have no the right neither to produce nor to buy weapons that hit

more than 40 km. in fact, this is a repetition of munich, when the czech republic surrendered a small belt of mountains in which there was a german minority, and everyone believed that hitler would stop there, but the army and society were so demoralized that after six months, without a single declaration of war, hitler was in prague, and the czech and slovak states ceased to exist. therefore, the destruction of the armed forces, its disarmament and the ban on communicating with the outside world. its neutral status, which will mean just an easy victim for putin. for those who still believe russian propaganda, suddenly that neutral status can be a way out, i want to remind you that putin annexed crimea and occupied two-thirds of donbas, when ukraine was formally a non-aligned state under yanukovych's law, and there was no nato, even by law we had no right to go, but putin did

n't care, it was just weak. then he took it away, and now, perhaps, a very important story, who lobbied all this in istanbul? the delegation was created by president zelenskyi's decree, headed by mr. arakham. and who was the main diplomat in this delegation? mr. oleksandr chaly. not to be confused with valery chaly, our postloomny. former first deputy minister of foreign affairs of ukraine. what then advanced this law on non-blockade. but that's not all. he... still worked in the legal department of the administration of the president and kravchuk and kuchma and was responsible for the budapest memorandum, now everything is clear who, whom zelensky sent to istanbul and who they want, and whose conditions they want to see for negotiations in the kremlin, and where this leads a tame move laid at the so-called peace summit. putin while in east asia. talks,

talked about a strategic defeat, that the west wants russia to suffer a strategic defeat, and what he says that will mean termination of its statehood, hinting that in this case he will be ready to use stronger weapons, obviously nuclear, let's hear what he said. they say that they want to achieve a strategic defeat of russia on the battlefield. what does this mean for russia? history of the russian state, i think it is clear to everyone, and then the question arises, why should we be afraid, is it not better then to go to the end? yuri vitalievich, that we will go to heaven and they will go to hell, he always tells russians that we have nothing to fear, because we will go there.

all to heaven, our enemies to hell, or was he hinting here that we have nothing to fear, and wouldn't it be better for us to go to the end, which means to the end, well, let it go to the end, i'm for it, you, i think so too, but look, i sit and remember, i am such a russian writer pilevin, yes, well, he positioned himself as such a semi-oppositional, liberal, pro-western and in general such a bit of a jerk in his head, and so he has a brilliant phrase in one of his... he says that it is necessary to admit that there is a worldwide anti-russian conspiracy, but it is also necessary to admit that all adults participate in it population of russia. this is a vivid example, a person, the head of a state with such colossal resources, with such colossal problems, suddenly confronts himself to the whole world in order to go to the end. well.