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the global one, because i talked to the deputy of the city council of kharkiv, and you, we know that kharkiv is a millionaire, in which the entire generation is destroyed, and we were not interested in how people will solve the issue of such a light bulb of electrical appliances within the limits of their apartment, but the issue of the fact that, well , it is necessary to somehow save the city, multi-apartment buildings from collapsing, because it is, but here you have some ideas that could be implemented, because they have just started a discussion at the session of the city council, there are no ideas, well, i am sad, kharkiv is not a member of our association, that's why i don't do kharkik every day, i can't, i can't to say directly, each city has its own very, very specific situation, and there you need to make a real assessment of the city, you need to look, you need to make some kind of municipal energy plan, look. what generation

is left, that is, there are probably some generation cells at enterprises, some kutli, which were there, are standing somewhere, something can be restored, well, approximately the same situation was in kramatorsk, in kremenchuk, i apologize. was two years ago, and they somehow raised some in old enterprises, that is, they part of the heat was provided, that is, it is obvious that it will not be possible to provide full-fledged comfort as it was, it is obviously necessary to look for some new possibilities, but it is also necessary to realistically evaluate whether these houses, well, what kind of zoning should be carried out, because in some zones where there are some old boilers, there you can start in some, where there are none, there are none, and accordingly or install some. autonomous specific some kind of container boiler houses for heating every house even with wood, including the fact that or even then, well, evicting people, well banal, if we actually understand, it is a large number of people, these are sleeping areas, and in this case it is not only about heat generation, it is about the fact that we

have already passed two winters and the same situation arises all the time that there is a lack of electricity for anything, for example for raising water to high floors, electricity why? there is a lack of people who have a lot of money, i am talking about mobile operators, for two years in a row they are talking about the fact that there is no electricity blackout, there is no 4g or 3g, and in general it is impossible to even write an esku, and these two programs, they are very important for survival, traffic lights do not work, traffic lights are safety, huge intersections in cities, well , different cities solve this problem differently, someone is taking steps in advance, i can , for example, well, a smaller city is koval. i can praise them in that sense, khmelnytsk, for example, they install their own generation, that is, cogeneration for utility enterprises, which gives them the opportunity to provide heat and water. kovel went the way that they laid a separate line of just 10 kv between utility companies and boiler houses, and they simply provided

backup power in the event of the loss of a full-fledged such provision, they are ready to use their cable to power their own diesels, moreover. actually, you mentioned mobile communication, and most of all mobile communication transmitters are mainly located in boiler houses, they are located on pipes, on tall buildings, and, that is , of this type, and those mobile stations, mobile stations communication, which are standing on the boiler houses, they actually have the opportunity feed from this emergency power network, which is then connected there, and from those places with which you cooperate, except... kovel, perhaps you can give examples that other cities can follow. this night is another attack on energy facilities. we know that stryi and ivano-frankivsk were affected. what do you advise to do, what is the ready-made option, what to do now there are no ready-made options, they

all take a long time, unfortunately, because it is necessary to install certain equipment, and this equipment needs to be manufactured, delivered, designed, its placement, tied to the to... to the local networks itself, and it takes well, if you do it, with minimal procedures, with minimal procedures, if it's available, it takes six months, if you put cogeneration machines, some kind of gas-piston, if they exist, and if they are not there, unfortunately, i had an interesting conversation with people from energy companies, who specialize very narrowly in such emergency systems, gas-start systems for generating electricity, that's right... their opinion was such that it is all european the industry that generates, that produces electric generating machines, well, of such a class that you can put in cities, no, not homemade holes there, it will take them, if they terminate all contracts for all third parties, it will take them 2 years to ensure

the needs of ukraine , the entire european industry, obviously the chinese, turkish, american, god forbid, because the american industry, which is also so powerful, can be included here, but this is great. volumes are even on the world market, so expect that this winter we will be there without interruptions, this is completely unrealistic, moreover, we will have an interruption next winter, that is, it is already clear that we will not be able to raise this amount of electricity generation, therefore, in cities there is a question of the ability to ensure the supply of heat to houses once, that is, at boiler houses, that is, there where there are centralized systems, those cities will win, because they will be able to provide this heat, where... went to individual heating, there will be questions, where there is electric heating at all, there will be sadness, because nothing can be guaranteed there, and other ways not for in kyiv, for example, there are a huge number of houses that are simply gas-free, that is, they are electric, well, the house is gas-free, well, look, well, i would

divide the problem into two here, first, do you have something to light the apartment, and do you have a second , how to heat water in the house, and a third? whether you have heat in the house, the problem of heat is solved in steam, that is, the city does everything so that the boiler workers who work in the city can supply heat to the house, but not all houses have and... there are pumps that can distribute this heat around the house, and there, accordingly, it is necessary to work, you need to reset, you need to install a generator, you need to make a realistic assessment of how much electricity you need in order for you to work. who can do it now are management companies and representatives of some regional energy companies, where they simply have a qualification, that is, it is the qualification of an electrician who can calculate. equipment, how much the equipment consumes, to understand whether this equipment needs any more

frequency converters, that is, pumps at the moment of startup, they consume a much larger current, one, one or two seconds, but you have to give them about 1-2 seconds there, they sometimes take 2 seconds at five times the power, but they started and they are fine , but you can start them, for example, through so-called frequency converters, then they start smoothly, they do not take such power, then you need a diesel, diesel or gasoline generator that you need, it may be less powerful. and it will save you money on gasoline, on, on, on diesels, but i'll go back to the fact that the city has to make sure that the heat is supplied to the houses, the house has to make sure that its heat distribution systems work. condominiums are not a panacea, unfortunately, in our country condominiums are created, let me remind you, in about 20% of apartment buildings, that is, 80% of apartment buildings... well, they really have no one to take care of it, except for management companies, there are managers, where they are appointed,

therefore, that is why the situation is, or managers who are appointed or elected, have too sufficient qualifications, this is also a question, but in principle, where there is a condominium , a manager has been created or selected, theoretically there is an opportunity to take care of what he can order, for example, the service of an electrician or a heating engineer, who can assess the need for such in such generators and buy it? for two years, not the previous winter, but the first winter of the war, most people solved the issue of power generation, in what way, generators, power banks, light bulbs that recharge, in short, tried in such a way a way to help ourselves, but we understand that the scale and problems have increased, and it is not even winter yet, and the same generators will not be enough for everyone, this is the first thing, not everyone can afford it, not in every house, i am silent about... the logical aspect, how can you help yourself in private?

the whole european process, the energy process, it, it, it actually falls into what is described in the european green deal, in the european green agreement, and it provides for the rejection of purchased types of fuel until the 35th, somewhere before the 50th year, and this means that we are leaving coal, we are leaving gas. which are used for energy, and we are moving to renewable energy sources, this means that they are renewable energy sources, which will be our main supplier, they are balanced differently, i mean that, for example, in the summer we have now a third of the electricity is generated somewhere up to a third of what we currently consume is generated by solar plants, they won't be there in the winter, they will actually, they will turn off, maybe there may be a little wind turbines, but we also do not have many of them, that is, it is not such a complete replacement, it means that we will balance nuclear energy, nuclear energy, it

produces its power on an even schedule, it cannot give more or less, and it is very important for the energy system that production coincides with consumption, and then the frequency and voltage in the networks are maintained, this is exactly what the dispatchers of the energy system are working on, and now they are doing it, including hydro stations somewhere, heating stations somewhere, in order for production and consumption to match, because someone somewhere turned on advertising, like in football, everyone ran to make tea, turned on kettles and consumption increased, here the dispatcher has to start some kind of block in order to keep the frequency in the network, and that's how it came to that , that in britain advertising schedules are coordinated with dispatchers, well, absolutely, because we have a football advertising base, a high level of organization, we can do this, but this means that we will balance each time at a different level, and this balancing shifts on... houses, meaning you can see, if you look at the electricity prices on the european market, they

are often negative, these prices are negative, because at some point, when solar stations are working, some basic heating stations have no place for children and simply give and take away, because we simply have to stop the blocks in a different way, this is how everything works somewhere, we also have such a process, we simply call it dispatcher outages, or sometimes this electricity from solar plants on a bright day in this particular section there are some. and in us there will be a situation when this electricity will also be negative on the market, because we do not have this market at the moment, therefore the entire european process and... including ours, we are simply even ahead in our needs, we are ahead of the european market, where at the level of every household there will be an inverter and a battery, the battery will be somewhere between 7 and 10 kwh, that is, somewhere around the daily consumption, so that your smart energy system, and such they are already on the market, that is, this is this standard,

it will buy energy when it is cheap, at times there before it was. at night , now it was daytime, it will store this electricity in your battery and you will use it when it is convenient for you, you like it, you don't like it, you need to prepare for such a system to be in your home, on average it costs it starts from 300 dollars and up, that's what i wanted to ask about, private solar stations are small, actually solar panels, do we understand that in multi-apartment buildings it is more difficult to organize in houses, because all the points must be... gathered and agreed, if it gets cold and there is no electricity, then everyone gathers in one day, yes, but here it is an option for private individuals, i spoke with a person who tries put everything together, and i realized that there are not so many millions in my pocket, because he wants to have a heat pump,

a completely solar roof and a huge one... in case there is a day, not one day, but a week, for example, without the sun , it's the right, right approach, i'm more than that, i look, today the quotes again bombed the ukrainian nervous system, we don't yet know what the consequences will be, so let's officially report them for now. no, but it means that nuclear plants remain the backbone of our energy system now, they bring the main power to the grid, and who said that they will not bomb the output transformers of nuclear plants, for example, in december or january, and, that is, i absolutely, absolutely, in all seriousness, i don't rule out the possibility that they will, and we could have a month without

electricity, for example, that is, for now somewhere, somehow, they will not find the transformer, they will not bring it, they will not reconnect it as a whole. com absolutely real scenarios, so in my opinion, both cities and households should keep in mind the need to have a scenario, what do i do if this is the situation, that is, analyze my consumption, what will not work for you, what might freeze, freeze , where you need to drain the water, where you need to pour salt there, for example, and there are some toilets, there are some siphons, that is, if you leave the apartment, it is absolutely realistic scenario, i don't want to scare anyone there, go there and buy yourself a generator there, for example, and, that is, i don't sell anything, but, well, i don't exclude such a thing, so you have to be ready, even included, what you have to understand, where do you have firewood, or where do you have such firewood, to improve relations with him, to buy say: ivan, listen, i will buy you two cubes of firewood there, you have them there , if anything, i will move to your place there for a month, that is, well, god forbid this

happens, but maybe in lviv, where we are now let's sit, it's somehow easier for us, because the lions are all... dnipro, with kramatorsk and other cities, well , forgive me here, everything is fine, well, comparatively, this is heaven and earth, although it also has its own problems, but here the city at least has the opportunity to prepare, to think strategically and to prepare for such scenarios, while there they are constantly in the mode of such and such, that's why i gave the example of my acquaintance, that it is expensive, do you have any advice, actually, well, in ... smaller ones amounts of funds, but a minimum set of some kind to, say, to collect for this winter, well, in my opinion, especially those who have individual gas boilers at home, they need electricity to work, the igniter works there, the circulation pump works there, so if you have individual heating, think about how you you will provide electricity for the operation

of your central power plant, well, in fact, you need to install a battery. that is , diesel gasoline generators are the cheapest, they are very expensive, well, that is, in the sense that their work is quite expensive, they will eat up to 1.5 liters of gasoline for you there per hour, that is, accordingly, you will take into account how much, how much your kilowatt-hour costs, on average, a kilowatt-hour from a gasoline generator, depending on which one there is, costs from uah 25, and sometimes up to uah 80, because if you take a six-kilowatt generator there and chase for a gas boiler, which takes you there 120 w, then you just burn this gasoline. there is no sense, he, he, he, the battery and the inverter are there, the battery and the inverter are a better solution, it is cheaper, more correct, but again in the situation. monthly blackout it will not help, because you will not have anywhere to recharge, that is, you need to have a certain set of options, where you will have an inverter,

a battery, it can be an agm battery, it is an acid gel battery, or it can be be lithium, lithium is better, but they are more expensive, they are more risky, that is, there are quite a lot of batteries used from cars on the market now, so don’t put such, especially there are so-called technologies, so don’t put such in apartments, if you have one in the village there , or somewhere outside the city, you have a separate room, somewhere there a shed somewhere where nothing can burn, then play with such things, these batteries are risky, they, they can burn, they can burn like gasoline, and don't take risks with such things, the cheapest, well, the cheapest and safest is everything - some kind of car inverter for 12 v and a battery, that is, for such bases. needs, you can't include a microwave there, for example, high currents, it won't last long, it doesn't have many recharge cycles, this battery, it will last you a season and a half, you will throw it away, but it is safe, if

you put a lithium battery, it gives you more comfort, but it needs more attention, then do not use self-made solutions, especially if you do not have an engineer and an electrician in your house, buy some ready-made solution on which is worth at least a minimum certificate of some factory that produced it, if we are already talking about making it maximally... cheaper, because not everyone can afford the entire system, can we talk about cooperation, for example, between by neighbors of private houses, or can such a system work only for one household? if you have a solar battery, it will give you something, even on bad days, that is, it will give out 15 times less than you expect, but if even in winter it will give out 3 k, the station will give you some 200 w it will give out, even on the worst day it will give something out, that is... so for the boiler it will be for the gas boiler to spin, for example, yes, again on a sunny day, if you have a bigger station and you have someone have batteries there,

of course you can do it as small as a co-op, i think it's going to explode right now, where this solar station is going to put electricity off the grid, but if you have a hybrid inverter that can to work not only in the network, but to produce 220 v in a place where the neighbors will simply lay out their own cable, somehow agree with each other and will supply this electricity to each other, supply, sell, i don’t see any problems with this, i think that it will even regulated at the legislative level, because of languages about the fact that there is actually a need to allow everyone who can produce and provide electricity to their neighbors to sell it, or how they want it, what they thought among themselves, since it simply trivially increases our energy sustainability, here we are already talking about a possible even humanitarian huge disaster, if here to continue, at this stage, the state is ready to get involved in order to support those who do not give themselves advice, to create some kind of system, i am also talking about training, and maybe some

programs, so that it is all organized, and not one neighbor does one thing, another does another, a multi- storey building does the third, but so that there would not be such chaos, so that it would somehow be understood and , accordingly, more controlled, i think, well, the state is trying to do something, on friday a decision was already made line by line functioning. of this decarbonization fund, in which 750 have been provided for this year, at least 750 million uah were provided in the budget, that is, i expect, i would expect that in the coming weeks they will publish their program and begin to propose how they will work, but from the fact that i understand, ukrainian legislation and ukrainian central bodies of the executive power, they are somehow and in the end international donors as well, they somehow got stuck on helping condominiums, not houses, that is, i am absolutely amazed by this. that is, the probability that you will receive some kind of help if you do not have osb, takes zero in its mass, right? therefore, well, first of all, either try to create

a condominium, or do something yourself, even where there are condominiums in the houses, well, the probability of getting it is also not high, because even 750 million uah according to our needs, it is just a pittance. we literally have 30 seconds left, i ask you to summarize, maybe you have some other advice? have a script. what do you do if there is no electricity for a month, that is, it is an absolutely realistic task that you must work out for yourself, where will you have, where will you get heat, where will you have water, where will you charge your mobile phones, how will you light your house, or where you will move, make this scenario for yourself this winter. thank you for the advice, valid and very relevant. sviatoslav pavlyuk was with us, executive director of the association of energy-efficient cities of ukraine and expert on energy efficiency. a short pause is not about... news about the latest khrystyna parubiy will tell in a few minutes. be with espresso. thinking about a new mattress,

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