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because the former deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada visited us, the head of the secretariat, at svoboda, also came to us, and the chief sergeant of the armed forces of ukraine also came to us, but this is not a big talk show, it's all ruslan koshelynskyi, mr. ruslan , congratulations you, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, and we will talk about mobilization, first of all, about training, about what we have been talking about a lot lately, in fact what everyone is talking about, everywhere, wherever ah... and let's start not with the ccc and not with all those scandalous videos about how bad it is and what they do, but about the fact that these same cccs look a little different now. two years ago, there were queues there, but now there is a slightly different type of queue, they signed up electronically only to update their data, the motivation has disappeared, well, okay, then you need the entire text, the text in our country sounds like we have... a mobilization

period and a conscription period, so we have a conscription period from 18 to 60, a mobilization period, maybe 25, well, 60, eh, well, i served i've been in the soviet army since i was 18 years old, well, nothing, but i'm already so close to our host, we're almost the same age as him, we're gray-haired, so we know something, we know something, is there a need for mobilization now, of course it's necessary, or in... .the motivation, probably, and the quality of the people who come to study now, well, excuse me for the word quality, well, it’s not correct, but it’s true, it’s quite difficult, why is there a lot of shouting, a lot, especially in social networks, that someone is going there, a lot of lawyers who smear, sorry for the incorrect word again, from not going, of course, we are all fighting, if a family, a people from the word to be born, we are one family and we are all... fighting together, so why don't you,

given your capabilities, go to fight, well conditionally, or at some stage you have to join the general affairs , no one was born a soldier, not a single child was born, they become them, and we have them now an opportunity for those people who didn't get in, or don't know how, well, it's no secret that today a whole generation is lost, which doesn't know from which side to approach the machine, it's no secret, for example, my own. my youngest is 22, he went with me when the full-scale invasion started when he was still 20, but considering he's a former athlete there, he's an it guy, considering i've got two assault rifles, two pistols in my house, he's can shoot everything, he knows how to disassemble, assemble, etc., he is already, he is already an officer, well, but are his peers ready, i not sure, physically, psychologically, technologically. therefore, there is time today for everyone,

considering 1860, get ready, and the state authorities should help, people are afraid, first of all, they do not know how to do it, logically. i have never seen a machine gun, well, a person is afraid, prepare yourself, what steps a person should take and the state, of course, prepare yourself psychologically, you have to protect your country, first, second, if there are no courses, your acquaintances, relatives, who does not care about you will teach, well, go shoot, go disassemble that machine gun, see what it's like to take it upon yourself load in the form of a bulletproof vest, come to the courses, it's so dark now , go to some courses. or something else, get some military specialty, if you don't have the opportunity to do something else, the state government, if you get drafted today and you get to the shopping center today, well, this does not mean that you will go to

the front tomorrow, well, of course not , you will first acquire the so-called military accounting specialty number 100, the hundredth wagon, that is , infantryman, for the older generation it was... it was once called the course of a young fighter, and oh, after that, you will study for a month or so in a specialty, taking into account your specifics, if you are young, energetic, healthy, well, maybe you will be offered to go, for example, to a special unit, there sso or airborne assault units or marines, older generation, well, maybe, if you have some inclination there, you can count well, well, mathematics, but i’m an artilleryman, but you can count mathematics without... a calculator, that ’s fine, already you, we can make you an artilleryman, and you will still acquire and this professional specialty, because it's not a thing, well, simple to come and say, that's who i am, but no, now there will be preparations, that's why there are fears that are spreading, everything, from tomorrow, he

will already be there at the front, but no, and we still need to organize the unit, there will still be some kind of coordination, so don't worry , prepare yourself psychologically, prepare yourself physically, prepare yourself technologically and... sooner or later we will have to see, well, the people are the same, but the sentiments must be protected, you know, we, we lived in such a time that there are diametrically opposites, we are they mentioned that once 11 million voted for ozek yanukovych, who was twice unconvicted, and now we cannot find at least one of those 11 million who voted, and it was the same from 22nd to 23rd and everyone put avatars and hearts, every time they always added faith in the armed forces. now there is a feeling that they are digging a big canyon between the armed forces and the non-combatant rear with an accelerated turbo method, and here all the methods are good, and from the aspen there is a trickle and

all kinds of challenges with t-shirts and souvenir products of yauchiland and everything else, you have also seen a lot, why suddenly the same people , who put hearts and said faith in the armed forces, suddenly succumbed... to this information campaign? well , two parts: the first part is a well-known fact that ipso works, it is a well-known fact that the enemy does not sleep and knows how to work from the point of view of psychology, knows how to work very effectively, and here i would recommend the state authorities to very actively apply the mechanism of justice. note that it is not a secret, there is such a tendency today, especially among civilians, that i did not get into the army, so i am well done. whoever got caught is a fool, because i cheated, i'm a good guy, that's a shame. the second part is that there is no sense of justice. remind me, maybe you know better, the number of public people, famous people, spheres there, show, business, etc., who during

the war fled the country and who were not punished, not publicly, that is, publicly for everyone to know, those that they are fighting, that we are fighting, but there is justice, that who? ran away, who framed his family, and for that he received punishment, but there is no mechanism, they flee to europe and already the world is in their vidosas, i will remind you, remember how once, just recently before the full-scale invasion, moscow muscovites used the interpol mechanism, filed criminal cases against our officials, the military, detained people who had committed a criminal offense in europe. and this criminal offense is submitted to interpol and they are found very quickly, it would be desirable to show how many people were punished, those people who escaped, whether today the central government took such steps to give society a sense of justice, that a person who betrayed his family, his

country, will be punished, her powers, rights, awards, citizenship were taken away from her, i understand that there are specifics of changes to the constitution during martial law, well, i myself am a former lawmaker, i am trying to figure out how to do it, then take steps, show that whoever left his family, he left us, we punish him for it, justice must be done. russian ipso works perfectly, they shoot, write, in a word, literally a few minutes ago we even talked about a fresh fake that they spread, allegedly on behalf of the eu representation in ukraine, why we do not have an answer that would overshadow their informing, i am talking about the creation of this contrapso and informing about what you are saying now, we don't want, we can't or there is no political will, several things, several things and it is difficult, and well for... consider the number of people who today in the highest legislative body, who served in the army, and

if you count, the number of criminal proceedings against active people's deputies is approaching a hundred, that is, for a huge number of these people who are very far from the army, and today this body, well, lags behind, so far from ... it turns out that we have a huge one problem, but we have a whole general staff that understands the problem, and we have a general staff that does not pass laws, i mean, can there be actual communication, can the general staff convince us that let's need this, this and this, i'm talking about can we have an executive, an executive body with a whole sleight of hand is called the cabinet of ministers and by law, there are a lot, so there are options and change. of the law, these are two different things, agree, if the verkhovna rada, we have a parliamentary-presidential form

of government, if the verkhovna rada does not make a decision in our country, well in what way, nor the general staff, neither the executive branch of government will be able to do this, but imagine the situation, how to deprive a person of citizenship who openly fled and frankly now does no harm, but you , or is this a punishment, my god, this person fled for... for that , to get another citizenship, maybe not che, then let her lose all the opportunities she got here, starting from property, ending with benefits, this is probably a more effective option, and of course, not for nothing, let's show it, imagine own situation, does this mechanism work, or would it be so yes, these are all dodgers who fled, their property remained here, well, if you are running away, then you are also running away from the protection of your property, do you want to run away? please, you ran away, all right, but in this case, mr. ruslan, but does this

solve the question, i mean all these stories, for example, by forcefully joining the tsk, plus a new political practice, such as, for example, to punish someone objectionable with a subpoena, you have seen these stories, and when the sbushnyk is driving there, wearing a policeman's uniform and showing, here is this journalist who wrote about sbushnyk embezzler, give him a summons, why the army of people and on the one hand, demotivated, those who are brought in, the image of a military person is formed, as a person who will be punished, it is like a punishment, that is, to protect and serve in the armed forces, this is a punishment in our country, that's the thing that this campaign, a motivational campaign that should be nationwide, is not finalized now. we see videos, promotional videos of various brigades, they are fascinating, sometimes they are masterpieces from

the point of view of such a huge campaign, everything for the front, everything for victory, we would have it to implement as much as possible today, then it would be completely different if you did not serve, but note the legislation of israel, if you did not serve, you pay higher taxes, and you cannot hold positions in public authorities, well, pass for... legislation, why did i say that today the legislator does not feel military, that is, he is far from military problems and he is late, he makes decisions for a very long time during martial law, he makes decisions late, how to change it, as now, and not change it there in 5 or 10 years, a for tomorrow, it should be changed so that this contact would be closer, well, encourage,

encourage the verkhovna rada as much as possible. here they are voting on the law, but some bunny jumps in front of them, you look closely, and this is what mariana , the cornerless gobtsadritsa, is doing, there are rapists, if you remember, and there are so many different people there, and you think, and how to encourage them to they made such decisions, well, this is actually what is happening already as a politician i can body and they think categories victory flight. not a military one, and they are thinking about the next elections, and all those exterminations, exterminations, this is still the leveling of the military and trust in them, and at least minimally pulling the blanket over the future political elections, mr. marsal, but here is a small nuance, 5 kopecks , as they say,

and even that program, even a trishnik knows that there will be elections... only when the armed forces of your country protect this country, where those elections can be held, well, that's elementary, that's why the elections will be held here then, when the president of ukraine does not announce the extension of martial law, yes, what mechanism will it be, will it be a victory, will it not be a victory yet, or will it simply be a stoppage, let me remind you that the war has been going on in our country since the 14th , and the election took place, right? there were other mechanisms, so not to victory, i wouldn’t speak as a politician, i would speak then, the elections will be held when the martial law ends, ugh, that’s why they are preparing, they are thinking about it, they are thinking about how to stay there, because the rating of the verkhovna rada is very low, trust me to the verkhovna rada, and all these steps, in particular by the lady you mention, are simply

the leveling of the military, the leveling of public trust, you see, without us, without political leadership. nothing could be done, although in fact the military resolves its issues in a dispute, but in this case you are also communicating with your brothers, the military to us more than once, and we have even demonstrated this recently, react to all these things that are happening in a deep political the rear, i have already seen bombers and shells and everything else that says what the military thinks about tishchenko's stake, tishchenka, this is the story, the same, the same in the same negative reaction to... all these journeys of the deputy of the parliamentary committee on national security, defense and intelligence , maryana bezugloi, whom, in principle , the military in our country called on the air that it is like there is a killer of generals, and we heard it on the air, therefore, in principle, the military reacts to it all by such things, the military are disciplined people, as a rule,

the military will not take any steps that would contradict certain principles, what they have... them have their own point of view, just like every person, it is very bad when a non-specialist goes to specialists, well, you, as a specialist in a certain field, i will not advise a surgeon there on how to perform an operation, well, the truth is, why are you getting in there , where it is not necessary, where military personnel study for many, many years to be a specialist, and a person only because he is a representative of the ukrainian people in the parliament. allows you to advise and this one, it can lead to very bad consequences, so this mechanism, when an ee specialist stands today, and a military specialist knows that he does, and we trusted the military, this is the main thing, everything else, help the military, in whatever position you are, whether you are a lawmaker or a worker who pays taxes, that is, it is

general help, not competition, who is older, who is younger. let's go back to where we started. we talked about mobilization, we talked about the fact that there is an opportunity to undergo appropriate training, to prepare, that is, today you are not in the central committee, but tomorrow you are at the front, well, we understand that certain steps are already taking place in the state in the third year of the war, this basic training for students has been introduced, there must be some kind of patriotic, ideological education, and it all goes in small steps, the question is that many brigades tell, and you also say about it, that the age... must be appropriate, not everyone attack aircraft can leave, not everyone can perform different tasks, young people are also needed, physically strong people, who may have less experience, but who have more contact with modern technologies, with various such schemes, about the conscription age, we are up to 25 now they lowered the plan, there will be more, let's go and whether

it is necessary, oh here again we come to the conclusion, who said which? society received calculations from the general staff or from the central political -military-political power, what do we need to and the number of people who were born there that year, there 25-26 years old or 24 or 18, how many such people do we need? for example, i am an artilleryman, the weight of a projectile of 152 caliber, there is a hyacinth of 46 kg to find. a good projectile, who will take a projectile from the ground and put a 46 kg bag of potatoes in the barrel. to me it was necessary to find an older man from the village, who knows how, will understand what... such a one, well, let's say, take it and stuff it, and i could not find a young man there among the young people who could, he can't pull himself up once, he knows how to work on the keyboard, but physically he is not

ready, that is, this trend that young people need, who, and motivation, who has more motivation, the young man or me, i do not want my children and grandchildren to fight, i better go to fight, because i will fight for my children, they have not seen anything yet, they are young. sso, amphibious assault troops, marine infantry, in the total number of the armed forces of ukraine, where is a million, we say a million there, let it be 100 00, let it be the maximum, but in these, perhaps yes, today... wars, maybe you know better than me how many amphibious operations , you heard from the time of the full-scale war to jump with a parachute, none,

none, muscovites only when everything was jumped into gostomil, assault actions, yes to stormtroopers, maybe so, maybe it is necessary, today an artilleryman, if a year ago the so-called blocking mortar or the blocking gun there did three or four. two or three positions and quickly ran over, now they are sitting underground, burying themselves, not even moving, the question is then, do we need a young person or do we need an experienced one, which young person, why young and who counted, and the demographics were counted, why today we give not 18, but 25, so what do we think about demographics, who will give birth if we take everyone away now, that's why this is a question, it is so deeply professional in... give it, please, let everyone count, the general staff gave an order, how many, for what professional profession does the military need people , a we don't know, oh, here it is, that's

why the general staff, the general central military-political leadership must say what we need, but when a military man comes, not a military man, and says we need from the 23rd, from the 25th, well, where are those calculations, but look, we, we heard these numbers, now the numbers are not voiced at all. but once they passed from the supreme commander, it was a half-lion, we remember it, after that you just started such an analysis and discussion, and why a half-lion, not 600 00, or 400 and what age categories, after that the information disappeared altogether, and oksana and i, for example, do not remember that we even had to work with the numbers of the order of the defense such, which specialists we need, let's be honest, it is clear that he will not say such numbers directly openly, but when the military leader says: we have calculated that today we need to

mobilize so many more people for rotation, to increase military units, units, and taking into account that today we are forced to lower the mobilization age to such and such a period, because there is not enough , that's all, we will understand this then, but when a non-specialist comes out and says: i am serving and i only need young people, well, there are many questions, here is another interesting thing that concerns , you already said this word, rotation, so in order for there to be a rotation, you need to have a properly prepared reserve, we cannot collapse the quality of maintaining the front line just because well-experienced units will leave and replace them, this was also told , that you can't let everyone go, and so do we they say what kind of demobilization you are talking about . we are preparing a draft law on demobilization in the near future, and now

the whole information is going on in such a schizophrenic state that there have been no such stories, that the brigade was driven in, and they do not know, they do not orient themselves on the spot, because they have just arrived, well, again in two parts let's share, demobilization, well, what kind of demobilization can there be while the war is going on, just imagine, well... you and i are almost the same age, we are 55-year-olds, that's all, we can tomorrow, here they are they want to demobilize, they have already started saying 55 already demobilized, it is possible to demobilize, so what, i have to leave the service, and my son has to fight instead of me, i am a healthy man, god bless everyone physically, i am a motivated man, so why should i leave, and not so much, i understand technologically that... people who are over 50 years old, a huge amount of illness, and we spend, the armed forces, spend a huge amount of resources, financial resources, on treatment, because what is there

to hide a sin. he ran something, the spine, somewhere there, he put on the armored car, changed it, jumped, there are already sparks and, not to mention, if the military injuries are already gone and permanent, let’s say so, for so much time that he had, and injuries, and contusions, etc., that is, we spend , it might be better to take it away in order to spend less money, but this is a mechanical approach, true, a mechanical approach to the matter, so no demobilization, i think that this is such a... very thin summer, you can’t, but the politicians are starting again to juggle this, from the point of view of rotation, so we still have half a minute on us they suggest, that is, we will finalize it, that is , it will not happen, there will be no demobilization, let's be honest, the rotation will give people a rest, give them the opportunity to see their family, to be with their family in such a long time, a little more than this mechanism,

so this should be done. thank you for the conversation, we would like to remind our viewers that with us was the chief sergeant of the armed forces of ukraine, and with us were the deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada of the seventh convocation, and the head of the secretariat of veo svoboda, and all together they were ruslan koshelynskyi, to whom we are grateful, for your attention . please do not interrupt the short pause, then the news, iryna koval is already finishing preparing a selection of the latest information with the news team, so be with espresso. when you sleep on an uneven surface, the spine takes the wrong position, because you cannot feel energetic in the morning and productive in the afternoon, and with the matryk stopper you will forget that you are sleeping on an imperfect surface. order a toperk for a comfortable sleep at an affordable price. more and more ukrainian families choose toperic, which comes in a convenient package

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