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hope oleksandr mereshko, people's deputy of ukraine, chairman of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on foreign policy and interparliamentary cooperation, will talk to us now, you can already see him on the screens , thank you, mr. oleksandr, for finding time for us, thank you you are huge, thank you for the invitation, can you interpret putin's words, here we have, you know, for 25 years only been talking about the fact that everyone is trying to interpret any of putin's words, nothing. it doesn't work yet, let's do it, we'll try with you, the defeat of russia will mean the end of statehood, and therefore we have to go to the end, that is, putin is definitely confusing himself and russia, because defeat does not mean the end of statehood, well, from my point of view it is some kind of absurdity, but it seems that for putin it is really, if there will be the defeat of russia, that is, the defeat of its...

regime, that is, it means that a nuclear bomb is possible, let's say, a nuclear bomb is possible? your point of view, please, well, my point of view is that putin equates himself with the state here, you know, this is characteristic of the russian tradition of despotism and authoritarianism, that is, in essence, here, i would say, he himself draws certain parallels between hitler and, say, nazi germany. that is, a similar situation when it comes to the fact that his personal defeat, and by and large it has already happened, we are talking about that from the point of view of strategy, putin has already lost, because he failed to capture kyiv as he planned, and to date, russia has been able to occupy only approximately 20% of the territory of ukraine, that is, in such a perspective. it can be said that he has already

lost, but here it is about what he understands, his instinct of self-preservation, tells him that the continuation of such a situation, when in essence ukraine manages to defend itself effectively, and this is already a win for ukraine, a loss for russia, that if this situation continues, then there is a threat of it, his life, due to the fact that the russian... elite may at a certain moment, well, try to remove him from power, that is, most likely it is about this, regarding the prospects of using nuclear weapons, i do not believe in this, because since the end of the second world war war, essentially in foreign policy, in world politics, there is a very clear taboo on the use of nuclear weapons, of any kind, and putin understands that if he even...

alludes to it, then it causes dissatisfaction even, even among his allies , i mean china, china and other countries of the global the south, including india and... saudi arabia and so on, they are not interested in this at all, and they have made it clear to putin several times that they will not tolerate even his nuclear blackmail, so he is unlikely to want, to be able to implement this nuclear blackmail, nuclear bluff. mr. oleksandr, what do you think, well, i think it’s a big secret, maybe only biden knows about it, i think even zelensky doesn’t know about it, but what... does the west have tools to counter this, this, this nuclear component russian, that is, we we can imagine the worst that they will want to do something, i mean the people in the kremlin, and then there will obviously be a need

to counter them, and the americans there are hinting and insinuating that we have, even conventional weapons, we don't it is necessary to use nuclear, we... that is, this, this, this is reality, that is, does nato have such a plan, as you think, to counter the specific, specific actions of russia, that is, not putin's words, but let's assume that they will notice that there are preparations for the deployment of some tactical, strategic, nuclear weapons blows somewhere, it doesn't matter ukraine, europe, the united states, and they need to do something about prejudice, this prejudice exists. any algorithms in nato, what to do in this case? please, mr. alexander. of course, there is a whole strategy of nuclear deterrence of russia on the part of nato, on the part of the united states, and all this, you know, there are corresponding plans, and we see that recently there have been, well, certain actions on the part

of nato countries, in connection with the rattling nuclear weapons on the part of russia as well, i.e. such countermeasures and deterrence definitely exist, but at the same time, i can imagine the situation that even if putin tries or tries to press the red button, as they say, the russian elite, including the military elite, will not let him do it, because they do not want to go to the grave with their führer , that is, they do not want, they understand, they also see that putin is repeating fate. hitler, and they understand what it can lead to, they would not want it to happen, they will not risk their own lives. we have already seen it, by the way, on the example of this one rebellion, quasi-rebellion beautiful. we saw that no one wants to protect the dictator, moreover, no one wants

to go to the grave with him, so i think, well, this is my assumption that even the russian military elite will not go for it. okay, now from russia to ukraine and to europe, i just think, first, probably to europe, and why did the leaders of the european community, the leaders failed to agree on the appointment, well , the elections took place, as always after the elections, you have to collect votes, who to vote for , we know that fonderlajen wants to go to the second term, we understand that there are heads of the european council, there are heads. eu diplomacy, all this was postponed to june 27, 28, 29, why so? well, this is a normal process of coordination, because there have been political changes in the european parliament, now

the balance of power has changed, if earlier, well, let's say, centrists, of such a left orientation, dominated, now center-rights dominate, and all this... affects that in connection with the new distribution of forces, it is necessary to look for certain compromises, agreements charles michel, charles michel, by the way, he expressed himself very optimistically, he said that there have been positive, fruitful consultations on this matter, and that he expects the results on june 27, that is, we will see, we already know roughly who is the candidate, for example, the prime minister of estonia, who can lead, lead the direction. .. of foreign policy and security in the european union, she is a supporter of ukraine, it would be positive and correct from the point of view of our interests, other candidates, the prime minister of portugal as well, of

course, ursula funderlein can go for a second term as president european commission, it would also be in the interests of ukraine, because it proved. commitment and determination in this course of the european union aimed at providing assistance to ukraine, she spoke before the verkhovna rada gladly. and you know, well, she very pleasantly impressed the deputies with her speech and her determination. see, is the start of negotiations with ukraine expected to join the european union? well, it's so expensive, how many years can we calculate the optimistic version and the pessimistic version, because i'm so, how optimistic, my head tells me 10 years, and your head what does that tell you, well, i tried to calculate and see how different countries

entered, well, you know, there are different options, different situations, that is , everything is rather solved ad hoc here, we see the example of turkey, well, such a negative example, but a bad example, bad example, but at the same time, well , this is the closest, perhaps, option to ukraine, this is the entry into poland, if i am not mistaken, there were approximately five... years of negotiations there, that is, as far as i understand, this is such an average , rather an option, but you know, i'm here chatting with our colleagues, i constantly emphasize that for us this is primarily a matter of security, because what if, for example, with regard to joining nato, then of course the decision is taken by consensus and they say that it can happen after the end of hostilities, after the end war, then... war, it does not interfere with the country's entry into the european union, and it strengthens ukraine's defense capabilities. in my

opinion, well, this is my personal belief, i see the example of finland, and we saw that russia putin did not dare to attack finland, although it was not a member nato, but was a member of the european union, and putin understood that it is dangerous to attack such a country, because behind this country stands... the solidarity of all european countries, and he did not dare to do it. the last question, here the washington post tells us that in the united states they do not consider the ukrainians' fight against corruption to be satisfactory, and you are a deputy, and it is difficult to pass a number of bills, turn them into laws, so that these americans do not tell ukrainians that - ai ai, you don't fight like that with... corruption, as desired, well, i would say that, for example, we adopted, adopted many

laws related to the fight against corruption, and in fact, this is the convocation of the verkhovna rada, thanks to this convocation, it was possible to create an appropriate anti-corruption infrastructure, which is very effective, and for example, deputies and officials, they do not have immunity, we see that we can be held accountable. in connection with suspicions of committing corrupt acts by anyone, and a deputy, and the chairman of the supreme court, and so on, that is, then it changed perception of corruption, we have improved in world rankings ukraine has improved its situation, but it is clear that this is enough, we must continue, but here a lot depends not only on the legislation, on two things: the implementation of this legislation, that is, it is a law enforcement system, and a very important element. which we forget, this is the right culture of the population, it is very important, i think, the right culture, and you also need to,

you know, work, although it can be a long process of legal education, even starting there from school, but it is quite hereby we must continue to work, work hard, there is no other way out, thank you very much, thank you very much, oleksandreshko, people's republic of ukraine, chairman, chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on foreign policy and inter. of parliamentary cooperation was in touch with us, now we will have an advertisement, and then we will travel all the way to the far east to our good friend nataliya butyrska pleksiyeenko, an expert on east asian issues, master's degree in foreign policy, after the advertisement we will talk in detail about china, north korea, vietnam, south korea and so on. so, advertising.

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good health once again 17:48 minutes and 37 seconds and nataliya butyrska plexienko, expert on east asia, master's degree in foreign policy, i hope she will appear now, and we will ask her what putin was doing in the far east , good health, ms. natalya, thank you very much for joining, congratulations. look, the first question is controversial, as it often happens, some believe that china is unhappy with the fact that mr. putin flew to pyongyang, that is, to korea people's democratic republic and then to vietnam. others say that china is in trouble. china itself says that this is a natural phenomenon, to establish ties, that means with

sympathizers there, between sympathizers of russia and north korea, they. they have to somehow agree on some things between themselves, and they are not against it, the chinese side, and what do you think, how did china react to this, did it at least react in some way, is it some kind of inconvenience for china, or on the contrary, china is absolutely and truly bim-bom , as they say, today's youth, we cannot say unequivocally plus and minus yes, but there is somewhere in between, china actually has influence. and on russia and on north korea, definitely, yes, secondly, china is very actively watching how the relationship between the two develops, because north korea is in... contact with china and its representatives are visiting uh

china understands north korea, chinese representatives, that is, approximately the form of their agreements and, in general, how these relations develop, for itself, it does not want to be somehow invested in this triangle of relations: russia, north korea, china, because it will be expensive for it in terms of image, reputation, and economy, so we see that... china is trying to distance itself and tells and emphasizes that this is a relationship between two countries, on the one hand, it does not want to be in this axis evil, on the other hand, of course, in a certain way, china, which does not oppose, does not contradict this interaction, it can be said that it still has certain benefits from the fact that russia and north korea disturb the peace in the region. particularly as it pertains to the united states of america, and it's kind of distracting, again the attention of the united states of america, from

a direct confrontation with china, from spending resources on china, that is, everything that goes and goes in favor of china, it does not go against it, that is, at the moment, i think that china does not yet see any threats in these relations for... everything, so ukrainians should neither laugh nor cry, but simply look with a calm face and observe the events, by the way, about the fact that china, apparently, we have already not about korea, the north, but about china, maybe we will return to the south later, how serious it is aggravation the europeans, said the cars are chinese, they will impose some huge tariffs, the chinese said that we... we, we will also find a way to take revenge on you, in short, such friction, i don't want to call it a trade war, but obviously , which is an exchange

of such rhetorical displeasure on both sides, how serious it is, how much europe can afford to ignore china, and how much china can afford to ignore europe's interests, particularly this massive supply, well, at the moment... it's we are talking about electric cars, which are sent to europe by the millions, how serious is it? eh, first of all, what is important , on the other hand, unlike the united states of america, the european union has long refrained from anything that could be seen as a trade war with china, because of its commercial interests, because of business pressure and because of the fear of having losses from of this, now we see that security is becoming the basis of...policy, particularly in relations with china for the european union, and they understand that yes, they can lose, they can get a trade war with china, because

china, as you said, also threatens countermeasures, but nevertheless they understand that the risks from china's activities, from its behavior, from its pressure, they are much greater, and accordingly the policy of the european union in relation to china , it must change, gradually they must respond to... the risks that interaction with china carries, and that is why a trade war between the two of them is still unfolding, but it is really not easy to implement these measures within the european union, so what is for example, the country of germany, which has located its production in china, whose business has serious profits in the chinese market, and accordingly, the business is putting pressure on scholz, and scholz is trying to soften the reaction of the european union, so... as for the war, yes, it has started in a certain way, as for how it will unfold in the european union, there are 27 countries, respectively,

each of them will try to be softened, someone who is not interested in somehow making it more clear and decisive, well, this is a matter of debate , the question of what is now there will be new appointments within the european commission, and we will... see how much the current new composition of the european parliament, the new composition of the european commission will be ready for policy, or tougher behavior in relation to china, or maybe somehow try to find a consensus, and it is obvious that in depending on who will come to the white house, how relations will develop, all this will play a role and affect relations directly between the eu and china. now to south korea, well, they summoned the russian ambassador because of this treaty... with the dprk, with by north korea, but how offended south korea is and how likely it is that the ukrainians are profiting from. of this

undeniable love, i would even say, love between moscow and pyongyang, and maybe we will get some profit in the relations between kyiv and seoul, that is, south korea has already said that it will review its internal, internal ban on the supply of weapons to ukraine , and to what extent it is, well, you can believe it, to what extent it is an unequivocal revision in favor of ukraine. the review will be primarily from the perspective of south korea's security, and it is obvious that there is a split in their diplomatic relations between russia because putin has sent signals repeatedly to south korea and warned that if they give weapons to ukraine, then russia will give technology to north korea, and as we see, china, as, as we we see south

korea, how it was not attacked by the united states, no matter how ukraine and our other western allies begged, it still did not go for direct supply, it tried to adhere to those red lines drawn by putin, but putin went to escalate the situation, because when the intelligence of south korea found out that this treaty would also include an article on mutual military assistance, it warned through diplomatic... russia, and actually speaking, she asked not to do this, accordingly, the borders were erased, putin, no matter how he declared that this treaty, it does not apply to south korea, it absolutely applies, and therefore inside south korea, there will now be to look at the situation from the point of view of the new risks that have arisen in them, which is how we

received a statement that ... that south korea will now supply ukraine with lethal weapons, but at the same time will keep russia in such strategic uncertainty that it will deliver, when and how? this is such a serious signal from russia that they will also react appropriately, but it is also important to us how much weapons, which are enough, which we would very much like to receive from south korea, will they really go in which stream, or will they? will be dosed, will it be, let's say, at the level of air defense, which ukraine asked for, which it needs, and it is more such a defense, in any case , a weapon, because inside south korea, we must understand, there are also political forces that more categorically are critical of russia, and who, as a matter of fact, help and support ukraine, even despite these bans and still try to provide us with weapons, in particular shells, through third countries.

which we received through the united states of america, and there are forces - it is the opposition that has the majority in the parliament, which believes that it is necessary to maintain such a balanced policy towards russia, it was they who kept the president from helping ukraine all this time, it was they who looked towards russia all this time and hoped that it would be a constructive player, mrs. natalya, very important question, the last one, we have literally a minute, it's quite a lot, but here... did they slander or not slander, saying that south korean intelligence knows what's in the treaties, in fact, no one knows, as far as we can understand that korean neighbors of the north, japan, south korea, the world knows what they signed there, because it was not made public anywhere, except in some nodongsimbun, well, that is

, some north korean newspaper printed in... which, which does not have absolutely, 30 seconds, right in the fact that after kimchinin's visit, experts i know who are koreans who deal with the topic of north korea, they said that we are worried about whether russia and north korea will later sign the treaty on mutual defense, which they once had with soviet union, it was already in these circles, and expert, even in political circles, this point was already in mind. because just putin's visit, just deepening, well, of course, it was too shallow for a visit, and accordingly, south korea kept it under control, south korea understood that this could happen, and obviously that's why these conversations were held with by the russians, which, by the way, did not lead to anything. thank you very much, a huge thank you to natalya, butyvskyi plaksienko, an expert on eastern issues.