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mr. andrii klymenko, project manager at the institute of black sea strategic studies. mr. andriy, we congratulate you. silya maliyko. good day. good day. mr. andriy, we would like to start with such news. recently it became known that the british foreign minister david cameron promised to organize a hunt for price fleet of the russian federation. well, that is, it can be said that he announced such a desire for the russian shadow fleet. i would like you to explain first. popular with our viewers, but what is the price fleet of the russian federation and how does it use it to circumvent sanctions on the export of its oil? well, look, we're kidding here that since cameron voiced his ideas about a week after we published and circulated our proposals on this, that he's the one who's going to support us. well, in fact, the ways

of information are unknown, but it was it is nice that this is really the most important in our opinion, safe, i emphasize the problem, such an authoritative international politician sounded what it is about, in russia for many years export revenues have been formed almost completely. at the expense of energy exports, in this energy export, you know, we have always paid a lot of attention to the topic of gas, so it was somehow believed that gas is the main thing there, and that the cessation of activity of the northern streams there was very damaging, gas was a component of the structure income

of russian energy exports is approx only 20%, 80% is the sea export of oil and oil products, and there is also 10% of coal and positions, uh, this situation, it continues to this day, so that our viewers and listeners understand it... the scale, well, i will name it these indicators, the results of our monitoring for the month of may, the baltic sea, approximately 12 million tons of crude oil, and another 4 million tons of oil products, uh, black sea, russian oil, i mean, crude, yes, the black sea, approximately. 4 million tons of russian oil

and approximately 3.5 million tons of russian oil tanks, if you add it all up, multiply by 7.3, that is, translate into barrels and multiply, well, by 70 dollars per barrel, or even 80, there the numbers are different. different months, it turns out that russia receives up to 15 million dollars every month, billions, in short, uh, dollars every month from the tso, it is clear that, and i always say this for more than one year, that as long as this channel exists, as long as this export exists , er, then - putin will have money

to produce and buy abroad chips, optical devices, everything that is needed for the production of missiles, like. which are for you and me throughout ukraine and especially in the odesa region fly almost every day. about a year ago, yes, in june, er, two years ago. in june of the 22nd year. j7 - the european union, announced an embargo on deliveries of russian oil to its ports. and with regard to the rest of the ports, the so-called price ceiling, price cap, was introduced , on the way out, and it was said that if this oil or oil product is transported, that is, by ships

of the european union, then there may be a fixed price of no more than 60 in the contracts, because, well , we did laugh at this decision, to be honest, because it was clear that there was no control system for this, that for the russians, forging any contracts is a matter of two or three minutes, and finally, for a year, putin's decree has existed, which directly states... that those who sell oil and those who transport oil are expressly prohibited to indicate the price of this item in the contracts, in the text of the contract, in the appendices to the contract and even mention it, and

that is, putin canceled this whole... story at the beginning of the 23rd year, and of course, well, here you are, means to buy oil, or whatever, and to you, the european union, j7, says that you can buy it for only 60 dollars, and the seller tells you, yes, to your health, i have these for 80, that's all, mr. andrii, mr. andrii, that is, they formed. a new fleet that does not fly under european flags and does not belong to europeans, but how many vessels of these oil tankers are there now, or how to properly call such vessels, tankers, tankers, yes, well, i

will say a separate remark about the concept of the shadow fleet, and what about the number , not everything is so simple there with european, for today. day 32% of tankers that transport russian oil from the baltic are tankers, countries of the european union of greece, well, about 12-15% of the european tankers that transport russian crude oil from the black sea are also greek tankers, well, in general, 30% can be safely said to be european tankers, and... at the same time no pricescape can be sustained there, because, as you rightly said, russia has reoriented its exports to asian countries, mainly india, china, and all this goes, and all this goes there, and i don't know what kind of greek shipbuilders there are, so provide documents,

contracts, but there are already dozens of investigations regarding non-compliance with the price ceiling. and they were made by such giants of the world media as bloomberg, reuters, associated press, cnn and others, they all prove that it is impossible to control it in india and in china, uh, so that's why it doesn't work, however, our friends in the united states in the european union, friends, allies and partners, for some reason they are stubborn... they want to reduce it, listen, since it cannot be sustained and there is no control mechanism, you can reduce it, increase it, but the russians will laugh at it and drive for it like this well, one more argument, mr. andrii, here are

the defenders of these sanctions, they say, well , look, they started selling cheaper anyway, let it be to china, to india, but if russia loses money, then the prices were. on oil, and if the russian export of russian oil is completely blocked, then the prices will skyrocket, this is bad for the world economy, it will overheat, the road will become expensive. goods in europe, in the states, let them sell a little bit, are not as expensive as before, but the main profit, the main margin remains in china and india, well, this is the logic that the defenders of these sanctions broadcast, well, even in america, and we heard about the fact that, well, america is just, well, they are worried that this can provoke the so-called inflationary pressure on the oil market and even an increase in prices for gas and so on. on oil, but what do you do, you can do it, but the experts of the energy

market are sure that it will happen, if it happens, then there will be a small increase, secondly, that this - it will be short-lived, er, why , because the share of russia in this market is up to 10%, that is, it is not critical, it is 50. no 40, not 70, russia is not a monopolist, and finally, already more and more experts say that, well , remember how the economy of the soviet union collapsed, the united states agreed with saudi arabia, increased the export of its own oil and collapsed world prices, but in principle, too. in fact, it must be done now, because anyway, the more, yes, the

longer putin’s opportunity to finance the war lasts, the more countries, including america and europe, will spend on ukrainian weapons, on ukrainian shells and missiles, on yes there on production for ukraine, all of this will be spent on such considerable funds to support those of our citizens there , many millions, who went there with their children because of the war and live there, and the main thing is that it is - well, there is simply no, if they want the war to last until the last ukrainian, then probably it should be do as they do so. now, but we are trying to change this one. and i will tell you, so what

kind of shadow fleet is it, i don’t even know who it is anymore , so this legend was invented, that there is some kind of shadow fleet, it is not known where it is registered, it is not known by the flags, it is very old, ecologically dangerous, so there is no shadow raft. we know everyone by name and patronymic, relatively speaking, every tanker, we know when, that is, they were built, we know that there are no ships there, and most of the ships were built after the 10th year, that is, it is very, that, these are new vessels, yes, up to 20 years of the tanker, this is very, very normal, so it is ... some kind of legend, mr. andriy, if, if we know all this, then i am

not calling for anything, but just such a question, why suddenly some troubles with these ships do not happen at sea, there are some pirates there, i don't know, well, you understand, so there is a law of war at sea, ugh, and of course, there is a lot, when i write my posts on facebook. well, of course, there are a lot of comments that they should be sunk, there, sabotage by that tanker in the black sea and so on. uh, well, we, ukraine positions itself as a legal state that adheres to international norms. there is the law of war at sea, it has existed since the beginning of the last century, it seems that the first hague convention was in 1909. then it is there, so these conventions were updated, but the essence does not change, belligerent countries do not

have the right to detain, sink, confiscate ships belonging to non-belligerent countries, that is, and since there, well , look, as he said, in the baltic sea 30%, yes, in the black sea 12%, it is for crude oil, these vessels are european, then we say:... listen, there is no need to tell the story, we need to remove european tankers from these routes, so that means it is minus 30%, in numbers it is like that, approximately 100 tankers from the baltic and about 20-30 every month from the black sea, take

a third, that's a lot, let them look for tankers in other countries. there, of course, the freight price of these tankers will increase, of course, that will decrease, that means it will increase, the costs will increase, that means, in addition to what you said, they get less, they get less only due to the fact that the route has become longer, that is , earlier they were from the baltic, from leningrad, ustlugi and other forts. drove to the parks of the european union, it is very close, cheap and so on. now, of course, when they take oil from st. petersburg to bombay or shanghai by tanker, it takes a month or more a month, yes, it is more expensive, but it is not critically

more expensive, and besides, we do not know, since all this with... contracts are closed in this situation, we do not know what goodies russia promises to the same india, to china, and to other countries, they may, therefore, have some other agreements, which seem to be irrelevant, to someone the supply of weapons, to someone benefits in other areas, some benefits in other directions, cooperation and so on, that is why we say that there are there are ways out, and these specific ways, you see, cameron only slightly indicated that it is necessary to do, we are now advancing the topic, how is it, if time permits, then i still have four or five

minutes, mr. andriy, is it possible, uh, please, that is, what should be done? first of all, well , first of all, i already said that it is necessary to take away the tankers of the european union and the american tankers, they transport mineral fertilizers, vegetable oil from the port of novorossiysk there from the baltic ports, we tell them, listen, well, don't be ashamed of these two or three tankers, yes, take them away from these routes, besides, it means that it is necessary... every tanker has its unique name, it is the amo registration number of the international maritime organization, which is given to every ship in the world at its birth, and is no longer used after the ships cease to exist,

that is, impose sanctions on all those thousands of tankers that carry. what will this mean? the ship goes through the english channel or through the straits, the cogtegat from kagirak from the baltic to the north sea. in the first case, it is denmark, in the second case, britain and france. they all pay european companies, british companies pay the channel fee, they pay. pilot services and all those services that are related to passage through the strait, as soon as you put them on the sanctions lists, they lose the ability to make these payments, and by the way, in the bosphorus, i think our turkish neighbors, they are very will think about what to do with these

tankers, which are entered vessels, not the owners, yes ah... the vessels themselves are on the sanction lists, thank you, that is, ugh, and finally, the ecological maritime service of any country can in its economic zone, that is, in the baltic sea and in the straits, to stop vessels and inspect them, isn't that top flowing there, that oil and everything else, it should be done, thank you very much, yes andrii klymenko. the head of the project at the chernomy institute of strategic studies was talking about the russian fleet, which they use to export their crude oil, and now we have to take a break. literally for a moment, let's go back. allergy, not a leo will overcome ci3lev. ci3lev neu protects

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drones that enter russian territory, but every day the ministry of defense of the russian federation literally declares that knocks down 120 ukrainians drones, then 100, then 70, 115, have we really already learned how to attack russian? territory with so many drones and are they actually shooting them down or are they just telling their viewers, their audiences, that drones are being killed, we're actually getting the point across. well, look, if we talk about the specified number, then more than a hundred drones that would have achieved their goal, we would actually see a much brighter reaction of the russians and not a single, relevant oil refinery would burn, but dozens at the same time here. therefore, there are probably two important components here: the first important one is that the russians regularly like to inflate real numbers in order to visit in front of their citizens, that is, without

seeing how ukraine is effective. tens or hundreds more of their respective kamekaze drones of the shaket type, and in order not to look much worse, they simply increase this number, literally tens of drones, they increase it to a hundred, and the non-existent drones are simply recorded as downed, generals rejoice because they receive medals, corresponding military personnel who are close to them, receive bonuses, that is, everyone remains satisfied, here, if we actually look at this situation, then we have to understand that after all, that... drones, it can be destroyed one way or another, and this is absolutely normal, we see that even those shahedas that the russians launch, as a rule, there is still a certain percentage, which is 10-15%, unfortunately, it achieves its goals, as well as ukrainian drones, i hope that this percentage is much higher, because in the official data, how many are launched and how many are hit directly by those or other objects, unfortunately, there is none, so

it is difficult to assess the effectiveness of the ukrainian drones... but the number of wreckage and destroyed drones, which are shown by the relevant russian military, does not exactly speak to the version that there are only hundreds of drones. first of all, we are talking about the launch of dozens of long-range drones, but to cover them, relatively speaking, cheap small drones can be used, which are also launched into the so-called buffer zone, that is, up to 50 km, this is the front line or the territory bordering the russian federation. where the radio-electronic warfare system is sufficiently aggressive and has a lot to do with air defense. here i would like to note, another gulsum, i will take one question away from you, i would like to note that the russians mostly use the same models of drones, there are shaheds, well, there are their modifications, and these gyrans are theirs, but ukraine is constantly experimenting, i i remember the beaver, then the drone, which at first did not have

a name, then they started calling it the fierce one. and then some other modifications, that is, we always have them there is some kind of experimental work going on, and it is connected, i understand, with the fact that we cannot use western models of such weapons to attack the russians, so we are forced to develop something of our own, and the russians simply buy ready-made iranian models, or am i mistaken, do we act roughly the same? well, look, here the situation is quite different, because the first important component is the majority. drones, they all consist of western components, including navigation systems, control systems, engines, etc., and if you look at these products in principle, which are also ukrainian, including those purchased outside of ukraine, it is still such a zoo of various drones, there are several reasons, because on the one hand, of course, the resources on the market for access and procurement are limited, that is, you have to buy not by thousands, but by tens

or hundreds, and it all stretches over a month. their supply, that is, from different suppliers, different models, in order to cover the required amount. the second important component is, of course, domestic production, but it is also based on western components. to date , it is quite difficult for the russians to get these components, first of all, if they are self-assembling the so-called dual -purpose ones, and this, of course, narrows the opportunity for teresyan to create new models of unmanned vehicles, because after all, the main market, where they can take these components is the market. china, but it also has certain limitations, and this leads to the fact that the nomenclature, it narrows, on the one hand, on the other parties still works, if the model, when after all the state, already having domestic production for the assembly of these drones, its komikaza type shaket, they simply take them en masse in order to reduce their cost, that is, in principle, ukraine also could

move in the direction of creating large powerful plants. production of thousands of drones, but such factories, unfortunately, will almost immediately become the target of the enemy, so another system works, the so-called, as it works at sea, the so-called mosquito fleet, the same works with production, that is diversification, small producers, their large number, that is, to destroy such production in principle is impossible, and it is interesting that we have drones that fly even to bashkartastan and tatarstan, and this, if i am not mistaken, 1200 and 1300 kilometers. well, it is very interesting, what kind of drones are these and where is the real russian anti-aircraft defense, well, look, if we talk about this case, then for now we are talking about, unfortunately, single such damage, that is , unfortunately, we are not talking about some serial drone , that is, most likely we are talking about convertible so-called ultralight aircraft, and in addition, such strikes at such a long distance of more than 100 km, there are only a few of them today, the key task is