smaller armed forces, but there is no problem with the ukrainian and polish sides: such a corps or such a division, and then a corps makes sense, because it is an excellent transfer of all knowledge about how nato works to the ukrainian and lithuanian military, but at this moment, after your experience from the battlefield, from real war, because it is a terrible but real war, transfer is possible in the other direction, now we in nato can learn a lot from you. my conclusion is as follows: until ukraine formally becomes a member of nato, it should such channels of communication should be created so that nato soldiers learn from ukrainians, and ukrainians from nato soldiers, and to integrate these armed forces as much as possible. yes, it's an extremely important signal, i heard you, well , we're keeping our fingers crossed so that the division really rises first, and then maybe the corps, but if we're talking about such small steps, president. macron started talking about

the prospects of having foreign instructors on our territory, we understand that these will not be the people who will try to teach ukrainians to shoot, yes the ukrainians shoot no worse than the french or the poles, but we are talking about the possible maintenance of high-precision objects, these are military airfields, yes, because we are waiting and we hope for aviation (f-16) french mirages, that is, there is such a hope, but this is the story ... drags on for quite a long time, and we understand that this is also a question of pilots, and a question of air defense systems, which should cover airfields, cover military airfields, because the enemy, first of all, of course, will have somewhere to aim at the locations of aircraft deployments. there are several coalitions that should work better, or one of them - the aviation coalition. let's list for consistency: there is an armed coalition, a coalition on issues. the czech initiative is a coalition, which

we have already mentioned, of anti-aircraft and anti-missile systems, that is, an anti-missile coalition. poland occupies a leading position in the armored coalition and has transferred a lot of armored vehicles and troop transporters to ukraine. the czechs occupy a leading position in the coalition on munitions issues. i hope that the first batch of ammunition collected in that czech initiative will arrive as soon as possible. i mean july of this year, there is also an aviation coalition, the launch of which is the most difficult, because the training of ukrainian pilots on the f-16 took some time, even longer, but now, from what i know, those planes are already being transferred to ukraine and i hope , that in the near future this aviation coalition will really support your air power, because the sky over ukraine must be better protected. yes, i completely

agree, but if we speak tentatively in terms of terms, that is, you feel that in the next couple of months our sky will be to cover f-16s or mirages or some additional aircraft? i hope so, because the simple one that was in the supply of military weapons, maybe not simple, but a significant reduction in the amount of equipment and ammunition, especially artillery ammunition, caliber 152 and 155. this was a big problem for ukrainian soldiers, and thank god that managed to hold the front. the proportions of 1/10ths, which were very recently, if we are talking about the number of artillery shots from the ukrainian side and from the side of the russian aggressor, this is terrible disparity, but that disparity must change and the artillery coalition must also work quickly. and here every day is important, as you say that the second half of the year is key. then i will say that

the first was also, it’s just a pity that during that period the supply of equipment and weapons, as well as ammunition to ukraine decreased, and it was an immediate threat that the aggressor would succeed in breaking through the front line, and neither ukraine nor europe can do this to afford well, but we understand that war is not only artillery, not only aviation, not only tanks, it is also personnel and mobilization resources, and we understand that... that the russians have more mobilization resources than in ukraine, yes, they are starting to look for additional people around the world, creating some additional units of mercenaries, so on the other hand we understand , that there is a certain initiative of president macron, he voiced it, i understand, president macron has put many european politicians in a not too comfortable position, who now have to react to what president macron said, but i would like to ask you, how do you see the prospects for

the involvement of troops, ground troops of certain countries of the european union, if the situation became critical for us, so let's hope that this will not happen, well... but president macron has said his word, everyone has to react to it somehow. there is such a concept as strategic uncertainty, and we should use this concept for a long time, that is , to drive the kremlin bandits into strategic uncertainty into strategic ambiguity, and i believe that the initiative of president macron in in this regard, it makes sense so that the russians do not think to themselves, and europe does not foresee greater military support. yes, just like the minister of foreign affairs, radosław sikorski in poland, that's how i understand president macron's initiative. and in principle, such a comment is enough. when we talk about the european union and ukraine, we understand that we are entering the so-called negotiation process.

yes, the negotiations are not only about the copenhagen criteria of democracy, the negotiations are also about money, about quotas, and we understand, so that we had a history with ukrainian grain. the european union and part of the polish protesters who blocked the roads understand that the situation may not have become easier, although some additional mechanisms for regulating it may have been involved. and we understand that bargaining for money is a holy matter even for the best neighbors. this is how this whole thing will look, because there is the law of the european union, the legislation of the european union, and there is the legislation of individual national states. in particular poland, hungary and so on. i don't want to compare poland with hungary, but we understand, orbán has his own vision. poland has its own vision, spain has its own. well, another separate story may appear in italy. we have our negotiating experience, and i must say

that you are faster, you are faster than poland, because it took us four years to prepare for the start of negotiations on joining the eu. the application was submitted in 1994. you are twice as fast, and in this sense, ukraine is formula 1, and we are only mercedes, because it took you two years. from in 2022, a strategic decision has been made by now, and it is now about implementing its content. probably, in the last days of june, that is , in a few days, a decision will be made about the internship. the start of negotiations, i.e. the eu will have a negotiating mandate and a so-called intergovernmental conference will be convened, this guarantees that the negotiations will begin. from the very beginning, poland has sincerely supported ukraine's accession to the eu, and will

always support it, because you are our most important partner on the eastern side of the border. because of this, we advocated that to start negotiations sooner, and we advocate... so that there are no downtimes, so that there are no delays, so that they move forward, this is firstly, secondly, of course, there are areas in which the eu, on the one hand, and ukraine will have to adapt. ukraine is a powerful country with a large agricultural area and great strength of its agro-industrial complex. of course, there must be an adaptation. common agricultural policy of the eu on the one hand, and on the other hand, the ukrainian agricultural industry. these efforts will be for both sides. in in negotiations, it is always the case that, in order for both sides to achieve something, someone must give up something. such negotiations, and we had

the most difficult negotiations, actually regarding the agrarian sphere and regarding access to the labor market, you will not have difficult negotiations if... it is about access to the eu labor market, since ukrainians are already on the labor market of the eu countries. among others in poland. until recently, before the announcement of mobilization, there were more than 900,000 citizens of ukraine in poland. in particular, there are many workers without whom it will be difficult for the polish economy to function. we have an understanding of this, so access to the eu labor market, on the example of poland , already. and freedom of movement, so in your case there will not be such a big problem that we had with the austrians or the germans, that only a few years after joining the eu, our plumbers, carpenters, our transporters could

get work in eu countries. instead, the eu will probably also have to adapt its structural policy mechanisms to ukraine. a country, very degraded, in need of investment. and i must say that with joy observed the course of the last conference on the reconstruction of ukraine. because two processes overlapped there, that is , the process of ukraine's accession to the european union and the process of rebuilding ukraine. these two processes cannot move independently of each other, they must be intertwined, must go together. the accession of ukraine to the eu should be connected with the opening of some eu funds for ukraine, as well as a large fund for the reconstruction of ukraine, which should be coordinated very... in detail by your administration, i.e. here you have to invest, there you have to

to invest, it is necessary to rebuild here, it is necessary to rebuild there, and all this must be written down as a very precise map so that there are no wrong or unnecessary investments, well, thank you very much for that extremely interesting conversation , i want to remind our tv viewers that bohdan was currently working on the espresso broadcast klig, ex-minister of defense. interviews, reports from the hottest points of the front. svoboda live is frank and unbiased

. you draw your own conclusions. mark feigin, a figure of the russian opposition on emigration, a former deputy of the state duma, known video blogger glory to ukraine. mark, you are welcome. i am glad to welcome everyone, i am glad to welcome you. well, the civilized part of humanity held a summit, a peaceful summit in switzerland, the uncivilized part went to report to their north korean-chinese curators, so the meeting took place with kim jong-un, and accordingly the bread-friendship samovar balalaika, but they signed the so-called security agreement, as we understand it, in order to put a lot of pressure on the americans, the japanese, and south korea. mark, what do you think putin is? drove to north korea. well, first of all, note that ukraine has been signing agreements on

security guarantees for a long time. this is some form of monkeying around, because russia is now also signing an agreement on providing mutual security guarantees, their counterpart. because there is a clause about military assistance, about the conditions under which an attack on one of the parties to the agreement will require military assistance from the other, and so on. that is, in some sense, it reminds you that you have allies. and we also have allies, you have america over there, you signed on june 13, ukraine has one an agreement, and here we are signing with north korea, apparently they also feel it is valuable, having placed a different meaning on this agreement, this is firstly, secondly, look, this visit is both symbolic and practical, i underestimated the degree of its meaning, so that, as hitler went to see mussolini, and could not have gone, to call him to himself, but he still did it, and in this sense the army... allies, they become closer because of such visits, see how there is an ideological, even unexpected side

of this visit, during which putin receives the north korean model of the system in russia, here someone will say: well, it is impossible, where are the north koreans, where is the east, and where is russia, but judge for yourself, the totalitarian system, they are already the same in the sense of its totalitarian essence with separate, of course, caveats, because russia still came out of a free state, but north korea has never lived in such a... state, the kim dynasty has ruled totalitarian communist north korea for 80 years, but we can already see trends, putin is gathering his dynastic system, we have already talked about it more than once, since the may inauguration of his next term, so-called term, his of course, no one elected him, he is building a dynastic totalitarian system, he is already involving relatives, just the other day he appointed his niece, the daughter of a second

cousin , some one there... was made vice prime minister, and before that, at the same time , yuriy kovalchuk's son was made the head of the accounting chamber, his daughter spoke at the st. petersburg international forum, and so on. we can see that it resembles, resembles the north korean regime of the kims, which is not changes in place of one dying ancestor comes. his son and i think that putin already has this model in his head, and he has to show this closeness directly. you can't do it over the phone, you can't do it on an armored train in vladivostok. but with his visit he shows what the political system in russia will be like. in parallel with this , they are currently discussing whether this agreement, returning to the military component, means that north korean servicemen can appear in ukraine, this cannot be rule out, although i don't think the agreement is a prerequisite to prevent the north koreans from being brought in, they didn't bring

fingers, they brought africans, a lot of them, so the north koreans could appear, i guess. i understand that at the state level there are material and other components that are agreed upon, on the one hand, and on the other hand, it is still such an adventurous trick, you understand, to find yourself between the russians and the ukrainians, you have to at least to understand the language, mentality, i very much doubt that young people will, most likely the north korean military is young enough that they will be able to understand how to conduct themselves in this war between the slavs, so i think there... the fallout will be catastrophic, because we realize that the north korean army, for all its brash might, which the north korean propaganda itself paints, but it is generally a very unmodern backward army in hats-u- shanks. but on the other hand, you see, mark, how generously putin began to distribute what was once called the doctrine of the soviet

general secretaries, including andropov, that is, he let the people's republic of china go to... the sea, we understand that over the years this issue has been very acute, and navigation on the river is foggy or in a storm, it was limited, now putin has brought it to dzyobika and laid it at the feet of xi jinping, this is putin's trade offer, the chinese don't give up on me, and the chinese are also happy to try. china's position regarding the moscow regime and putin is like this, yes, it comes from its own interests, not from. interests of moscow, alliance obligations or something. it's all nonsense. in the 20th century, we we remember how the relations between beijing and moscow changed, even at the beginning, from lyubov under stalin to the actual war in domansky, already under brezhnev and so on. it was inherited. under gorbachev, incredible efforts were made in connection with the restructuring, which was also not particularly approved by beijing, but

still warming took place. china went its own way, moscow went its own way. the global door to the global economy and the global world is now only through china, it cannot open through the west. china does not want putin to lose this war, because if he loses, this is chaos within russia itself. western powers may come to power and say, why do we need china, what kind of strategy is the east, do we have this? suits him, but he does not want a great victory for moscow, because if moscow seizes ukraine, then it is also unprofitable for beijing, moscow will feel its independence and say: and we do not need some masters in the east who will tell us how to behave, so china it is important to maintain this fragile balance and, most importantly, to be guided by your interests. what does china want? he wants

to integrate taiwan, he definitely does return painlessly, without war, just as he did with mac's hong kong. and so on, he wants to return taiwan under his control, it is obvious, there are objections to this, and there are significant forces, we do not take taiwan itself, but also the usa, they are covered by the non-aligned agreement with taiwan, japan is generally not interested, and other countries too, why do they need it, it strengthens china and so on. on the other hand, china is interested, let's say, in continuing the rivalry with the west, primarily with washington, but in no case not to bring this rivalry to armed conflict, because it is completely. china doesn’t need it, china doesn’t need it at all, because china has a huge trade turnover with europe and america, and is interested in continuing this cooperation in one form or another. you see, economically, china is extremely interested in normal, stable relations with the west, keeping its claims to world leadership, to global leadership, because china constantly

calls itself, along with the united states, the main superpower, washington constantly omits china, no. you are a regional state, so is obama did, and now biden does, not to mention trump. trump is fiercely anti-chinese. many events are also connected with the fact that elections are expected in november. if trump comes to power, well, then china will not be very happy. and they understand it. they already remembered the four years from 2016 to 20, when trump's decisions on the trade agreement to remove production from the territory of china greatly influenced the situation. all the more so because of the consequences of covid, and trump caught part of the epidemic itself, despite the fact that in 2021, in new president biden was inaugurated in january, he wants to demand some from china. this and everything else. this is just an excuse. it's not about money, which can be won in the courts in america and demanded from china. this is a reason to put pressure on china and obtain

favorable solutions from it, primarily economic. china is aware of this and is definitely preparing for the moment that if suddenly trump comes to power, how to behave in this situation? we understand, yes, maybe war is not profitable for china, but on the other hand, if war was not profitable for it, then maybe it would more clearly articulated his position with... in particular , he would have sent an observer there to the swiss peace summit, but no, china began to play a different game and began to hint at the creation of this or that potential negotiating platform, both with the participation of china and russia, that is, china here very clearly supports the aggressor state, and accordingly, in your opinion, if we proceed from the realities of what was said and what was not said at the swiss summit, what are the prospects for holding. an additional peace conference, as if everything could go to that, if not idiotic barbaric putin ultimatum

that accompanied meetings and negotiations in switzerland. putin issued an ultimatum, no one pulled him for it, for one place, but he went for it. and i will say this, that if putin had not been pulled out by this ultimatum on the eve of the peace summit, then the summit itself would have been somewhat underestimated, here from... the urgency of delaying russia and holding a second summit immediately appeared, and somehow the swiss organizers were in a sense of a hurry, that it should be held before the november elections in the united states. i think it is nonsense, you make decisions and president trump comes and they have to be changed, drastically or not drastically, but it will change things anyway. it is better to wait for the american elections, it will be clear who will become the president, and then somehow act in response to this new situation. obviously, it will be... different doctrinal positions between biden and trump. china did not participate because it did not see its direct benefit, even as an observer, in sending li hui,

who is the representative on the subject. i didn't see it of its direct benefit, that is why the us , represented by camila garis, took part in the importance of the summit. biden did not come to the swiss summit, plus there were three points in total that did not solve the problem of the war as such, and were agreed by the majority of participants the day before. of this summit, yes, so it is the return of children, the exchange of hostages, prisoners of war, yes, this is the grain agreement and nuclear security, yes, that is, in connection with the possibility of strikes on nuclear power plants, in particular zaporizhzhya as, and the grain agreement, which one way or another, even without her continues exist in the black sea basin. cargoes are messed around, maybe not in the right volume, problems are created, but nevertheless, that is, without seeing significant possible solutions, china withdrew from this summit. in order not to increase his weight with his presence, but china took the initiative that it is necessary to hold another conference in general, they say, we are ready to hold it precisely with the participation

of russia. i, for example, do not believe in the participation of russia in the next swiss summit, unless some of its preliminary conditions are accepted. and what are the preconditions: to abandon international law, it has been raised to the rank of the main, starting instrument for the settlement of the war in ukraine. so, how can moscow agree to this? everything that putin voiced has nothing to do with international law, he proposes to negotiate on completely different grounds, that's why such a reaction, well, what is it, how can we withdraw the troops? are ukrainians leaving the territory under the pretext that these territories are included in the russian federation? well, the logic is clear, you will include what tomorrow anything, you know, alaska, washington state, you include someone and say, in general, this is our territory, but it is written in our constitution, leave the administrative side. border, well, this is madness, you can’t agree to such a thing, it’s even dangerous to discuss it, because in this way the possibility of discussing such crazy demands is legitimized in general, you know,

if putin is invited now, he will say: i announced the plan to you, i told you, what is my alaska, let's discuss, and they will sit down and discuss, no, you know, after all, the armed forces are not can retreat from the administrative borders of zaporizhzhia, kherson, donetsk, and luhansk regions, but how come they won't retreat? this is the territory of ukraine, it is not the territory of ukraine, it is russian territory. we wrote it in our constitution. you understand how crazy this is from the point of view of international law, absolutely crazy, there is nothing to talk about, well, nothing to talk about, but for some reason putin has already announced such a plan, it is more radical than the points he previously published. my opinion, my assessment, that he is did for the americans first of all, not even for the swiss summit, he showed the americans that this is his position, push it. we know that... that the confidential exchanges and confidential consultations between washington and moscow have been, at least, greatly intensified throughout this half-year. this can be understood from

sullivan's visit to kyiv. when he said: there is no need to fire at the refinery, this is also probably some of the agreements, demands from moscow, this long delay with the decision of the united states to allow kyiv to use the western weapons, in particular american, hymers. we know that the hymers are shelling the neighboring territory, the belgorod region. the delay in this decision was also caused by the fact that they tried to agree with moscow that it would not attack kharkiv, not take actions that would lead to mass casualties in the kharkiv region. we... we understand this, it was written about, indirectly reported, it was not so strongly denied by anonymous sources in the white house, it did not happen, and putin summed up these consultations, he said: no, i have four oblasts leave, no, the sanctions must still be lifted, and a complete ban on ukraine joining nato. these are crazy conditions, he wants to get territories and limit the sovereignty of ukraine, which will eventually lead to war. if ukraine is not protected

by nato, there will be a new war. it is important to understand this connection, that is, and he does not say anything about the agreements, about security guarantees, because they are already after the war, he will not let this war end in the literal sense, so that these agreements about security guarantees regarding ukraine start to operate, this also obvious because putin's plan - this is the delight of all ukraine, but with all that , the swiss summit could not seriously discuss this proposal, there is no content, the essence of its implementation, and on the other hand. first , it is necessary to agree, after all, on what grounds the parties are ready to seek a compromise, if international law is abandoned as such a tool, and it is possible, then there are no questions, well, let's then seek a compromise through diplomatic, military, political, other means, but even then the answer must be adequate, then, sorry,

we shoot. all restrictions, countries want, supply any weapons, we are no longer afraid of a military confrontation, we remove from ukraine the responsibility to remain a nuclear-free state, why should it adhere to the budapest memorandum? moscow denies the budapest memorandum, withdrew from its obligations to ensure territorial integrity and respect for the sovereignty of ukraine. so why should the country continue to adhere to this nuclear-free status. why? where is the logic? if these are all limitations. have and all agree on the law of force that moscow offers and calls it geopolitical realities or something else, then let it be a two-way action, then it is not necessary to hold large swiss summits, but to gather parties that will meet in a local format, five to six countries from one and the other side, let china organize it, and then talk from the position of strength, that's all, and we will increase the supply of weapons, what does putin want, he wants that

there are no international... legal requirements for him , and for ukraine, they are preserved even on a nuclear-free basis status, and stopping the supply of weapons, and god knows what else, language status, to find ways for ukraine to remain in the international legal regime, complying with the norms of international law, the requirements of security issues, everything as dictated to all countries of the world that are members of the un, and in relation to themselves they are not going to comply with this, in relation to their requirements, they do not take into account, generally ignore it. but this is impossible, and that is why the swiss summit, which, as it were, departs from the priorities of international law, must decide for itself whether it remains in the space of the international legal field or goes into the space force or some diplomatic methods of regulation, with concessions, peace in exchange for land, well, something like that, because with ukraine it is not the same situation as in the middle east with israel or somewhere else, it is a completely different situation, ukraine was a recognized member

of the international community, these borders. all its rights, its sovereignty were recognized by russia itself many times over the course of ten years. ukraine is a newly created state on the ruins of a vanished state, but not some state that once separated from someone. ukraine was not separated from anyone, she was created in exactly the same way as russia. even russians celebrate their creation, there is a declaration of sovereignty, respectively, the collapse of the soviet union, when in december he rested in peace since 1991. why should ukraine, in this sense, look for some historical reasons, explanations, to convince moscow to agree with them in order to reconsider the borders, reconsider the sovereignty of the country. it is also a newly created country, like russia and ukraine, two new countries that already have a history, so it can already be purchased there. moscow insists exactly on this. here we are, as the soviet union, ukraine is our country. why is it yours, why did you decide? they respect themselves...