and host of youtube channels of showbiz and centornet, political viewer, media consultant, mrs. marino, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, sincere congratulations ivan, so, dear marino and kateryna, as we ask our guests whether ask our tv viewers what they think about whether russia should be invited to the second peace summit, let's take a survey in the blitz format. let's try to find out your position, marina, we'll start with you, i can say the following things about the peace summit, that in fact there was much more pr about this peace summit than exhaust, the fact that they talked about ukraine for an extra week is certainly good, but i would like more results, considering that for six months in a row we were constantly pumped up with the fact that there will be a peace summit and some peaceful solutions, unfortunately, this

did not happen, but for many people had such an illusory impression that this peace summit was bound to bring peace to ukraine. does russia need the second peace summit? the main thing here is the position from which we will go to these peace summits, because here, for example, our foreign colleagues, journalists and numerous experts, who, by the way, advise their ministry of defense and the ministry of foreign affairs, say, what will you go with, because everyone understands that peace agreements are decided first of all on the battlefield, and then it is already legally formalized in some way at the table of diplomatic negotiations, so we wanted fewer stories like kolya tyshchenko and his assistant and some incomprehensible people beating the military, and that we should focus more on victories on the airfield, well, we will talk about all these cases during our broadcast. katerina, what do you think? russia is needed

to the second peace summit, since both zelenskyi, yarmak, and today kuleba stated that a special format can be, since along the grain corridor, is russia necessary at all at the second peace summit, really, here i agree with this thesis that the summit peace should bring peace in expectations, probably ukrainians there, yes, but in reality there were several important points, among which there were nuclear security, etc., and the exchange of prisoners and... ukrainian children, their return, children deported by russia , taken away, stolen , and if it goes on here about specific points and about specific agreements where the russian side, if it really wants to take part in this, will be able to do something or show that it is ready for some kind of adequate dialogue, well , at least in certain nuances, in certain areas, then , probably yes, if it is like a platform for expressing your propaganda messages there, but... well, it is obvious,

as many ukrainian experts point out, that it is not, that is, the question here is really what the topics will be, and again, it is announced already, that to the end this year there should be another peace summit, and here it is important that, once again, people do not expect some simple solutions in a very short time, but that people clearly understand what this meeting will be about and what specific results ukraine and its partners want to achieve , and we were expecting exactly these results, concrete solutions, let it be... fateful , but of course, unfortunately, the global issue of ending the war can only be resolved by a summit, when ukraine's partners are gathering, well , we can already see that it is impossible , and that's basically it was not the goal, as we understand, and it is obviously impossible to resolve the main issue of peace and the return of ukrainian territories at the second peace summit, even with the participation of russia, because putin clearly articulated his position, give me four oblasts plus the autonomous republic of crimea and. .. take

the ukrainian troops out of there, and then we will talk. well, in addition, as he said, already in hanoi, in vietnam, the kremlin dictator, he said that we are ready to negotiate, but based on istanbul and minsk, istanbul is definitely the plan capitulation for ukraine, and there is nothing to talk about here, well, plus to these four areas that putin demands, and putin says that for russia a strategic... defeat will mean the end of its statehood, and therefore there is nothing to be afraid of, we have to go to the end, and well, such statements were made, marina, how do you evaluate what putin is saying now, he has engaged china, iran, and now also north korea so seriously, he has decided to gamble on raising rates, and is this time in these rates, where you are higher than he already is just can't go. and this is the preservation of putin's

life, so he will constantly raise these rates, and it is worth saying that for him this statement that he urgently needs zaporizhzhia and... the dream is simply that we withdraw, withdraw our troops, for this statement was useful to him, because in this way he wanted to intercept the information initiative so that , first of all, the leaders of western countries would comment on exactly these proposals of putin, and in fact the peace summit began precisely with the fact that the leaders of these countries, high representatives, began to comment on these statements, but fortunately, a number of these statements were just as favorable for ukraine. i can mark, for example, a statement there. was loyda osina, who very clearly said that the russian federation is not in a position to demand that the city of zaporozhye be given to them, and you know, when the same putin goes to beg for weapons and that the military-industrial

capacity of north korea be are engaged because they are not coping, the second army of the world is not coping, this is a sign that everything is really not so good in the russian federation. thank you, marina, kateryna, judging by what putin says, how he speaks and how he tries to stage another peace summit there, but with the participation of china, or rather the chinese peace formula, which will supposedly be at some alternative peace summit, will be announced, and our ambassador in singapore has already announced that ukraine can also join this summit. to take part in this summit, doesn't this mean that with the strengthening of putin's attempt to strengthen his position, ukraine is already starting, let's say, to bargain about

how these can be peaceful the negotiations, what we will talk about, and the absence of seven issues out of ten at the first peace summit, obviously indicate that... ukraine is trying in some way to find some kind of compromise where there can be no compromise, there can be no compromise for ukraine, which clearly officially declares that it is a sovereign state and that the end of the war means a return to the borders of 1991, this is an important moment, but here, well, what can we talk about if the aggressor party she by no means shows even with the smallest steps that she wants me... there is some kind of reconciliation, conclusion, demarcation line, etc., that is, it seems to me that the positive and plus is that there are no illusions, that in principle, vladimir putin is there, he clearly expressed his position, his intentions, well, just so that no who had no doubts, because you and i can talk, i can

talk with friends, with colleagues and just with people somewhere, i don’t know, in a store about negotiations, and you know this, a popular phrase, they will give up there, they will go to negotiations, and the question is... because whoever wants something in kyiv, doesn't proposed, the russian side and the kremlin state, specifically, that they need even more than they currently control, and there is no hint at all that they are ready to retreat, to stop, while putin clearly says that ukraine should withdraw its troops , russia is not going to withdraw its troops from anywhere, this must be clearly understood, in such a situation, when the aggressor continues to wage war, does not stop at all, is not ready to make any compromises, then... the ukrainian side is looking for opportunities together with partners, well first of all, it certifies that ukraine is ready to adequately talk, talk and conduct a dialogue, on the contrary, putin shows the complete opposite there, he has an alternative reality and an alternative summit, there are some alternative agreements,

alternative partners, that is, a complete mirroring, the only problem is that this is an alternative reality, it is already 10 years, as it exists, and there are ukrainian citizens under occupation. they just live in it, for example, as there in donetsk, luhansk and crimea, and that is, this alternative reality of putin, unfortunately, it is also a reality with which on the one hand, you have to put up with it, on the other hand, if putin reacts like this on the eve of the summit, makes such statements, somehow tries to disrupt this summit, then it really means that russia is uncomfortable, probably, that ukraine is leading such a global summit and attracts as many partners as possible, and not only western ones. which usually already support ukraine, as well as those countries that sometimes hesitate or show their neutrality, nevertheless, with their participation, they still show some kind of support, as dmytro koleba, for example, noted, and in what he sees the success of this summit there, so it is important to understand that there is a point there that

there is now a war, there is an aggressor there who is not going to surrender, is not going to return the territories, for which issue, well, putin has already said obviously, for him the issue is there crimea and those ukrainian territories that have already been captured are closed, they are in their constitution. have already written that zaporizhzhia and kherson are theirs and that's all, and they are not even going to argue about it, so if kyiv is official, it can do what it does, and we will see within the framework of this peace summit. the results of the return of ukrainian prisoners, the return of ukrainian children, etc., it will already be a victory, it is certainly in these steps, it is certainly better than doing nothing, but we can talk about effectiveness, well, maybe by the end of this year. marin, is peace with russia even possible? well, such a banal question, but what does peace with russia mean - is it the capitulation of russia, or in the ukrainian sense? parties, that is, what can this peace be like? i would like the ukrainian side to think more about how

how can we keep our allies, how can we improve our positions, and i will tell you honestly that the swiss peace summit was not more important for me, but the event that preceded it, and in particular the g7 meeting, these are the countries that help ukraine the most with weapons and money and sanctions, and you know, somehow not very... probably adequate at the moment when italy is the chairman of the g7, and george maloney, by the way, at the beginning of when italy began to fulfill its duties, she said that our the goal, the purpose of our presidency in this great great seven, that we help ukraine win the war. it seems to me that we are not quite sometimes, fully using this tool, because, for example, at this summit. seven , a number of very important positions were voiced, for example, for the first time, apparently

, the damage caused to us by the war with the russian federation was recorded, there, if i am not mistaken, they calculated 486 billion dollars. then there was a story about granting us a 50 billion loan, also an important thing, plus they also said there about nuclear safety, about the need to further deepen it sanctions and, unfortunately, we do not use this tool very clearly and clearly, i would like our diplomats, our bank to pay more attention to this, and not try to somehow come to an agreement with saudi arabia, maybe with china, maybe something, something will be looped there between the chinese-brazilian option, because let's be honest: china is our enemy, it openly shows that it is our enemy, and for it ukraine is food, from the point of view of brazil, if you live where... with brazil in the favelas , you are absolutely purple, what is happening in that ukraine, you consider all white people, europeans a priori

, to be colonizers, without understanding the intricacies of history, that we, for example, are the same white people who suffered from the colonial policy of the russian empire. this is very important, because politics, it consists of nuances, and excuse me, when journalists from france approach my colleague tetyana nikolayenko, they say that we are all at once, we are all there, we are... at this peace summit, but we are not totally understood, what is this peace summit, you need a war summit, how to improve yours position is for you to win it. well, this is a correct remark, just half an hour ago we had yurii lutsenko on the air, and he also spoke about the fact that it is necessary to hold a war summit, and not a peace summit, or a victory summit, how to defeat russia, and accordingly articulate these all questions, well, maybe in the process of preparing for the world-2 summit , an idea will arise to hold a victory summit or a summit on

how to win this war and not negotiate with the russians, but at the same time, when we talk about these negotiations with russia, we have to understand the context in which ukraine is now, and the international context, and the requirements that our western partners have for the ukrainian authorities, in particular regarding the fight against corruption. week, the washington post published, and in principle, the publication, the american influential publication writes that zelensky was disappointed by blinken’s attention to corruption in ukraine during the last meeting, according to the publication, between the authorities of ukraine and the united states of america, where further strained relations in issues of combating corruption, which creates a constant threat to aid to kyiv, and it is clear that in this situation, obviously, the issue of fighting measles will become relevant. we see the journalistic investigations that came out

just this week regarding the deputy prosecutor general verbytskyi, regarding the deputy director of the dbr, who lives there in luxury real estate worth more than or around 900 thousand dollars, and declares that he lives somewhere not there. that is, these issues will be clearly articulated to the ukrainian authorities in one way or another, and here the question is how in... the ukrainian authorities will react to this, therefore which, in the usual manner, is a violation of all diplomatic canons and norms, which he is demonstrating now. zelensky will no longer be able to simply talk to the americans, the british, or the germans. kateryna, what do you think, whether the ukrainian leadership will still dare and have the will to fight corruption, and i remember very well what

zelensky asked poroshenko at the olympic stadium, he said, why are all your friends with two hands, well, they say you have to chop it up. they were involved in corruption, but that's probably the same the question must now be articulated to zelenskyi or all your friends with both hands, as you would like, whether you will react, or how they will react, we will see. well, we clearly understand that, for example, in america or germany there is no such thing as ukraine having to win, but ukraine having to endure, we will support ukraine there so that it endures, this is the moment. maybe the partners are not ready to subscribe to this, that ukraine should win, and russia should collapse there, well, how ukrainians there would dream about it, for example, but with regard to corruption topics and issues, here is an important point, it is obvious that ukraine's partners, they help and support, but also pay attention, especially since it is already the third year of a full-scale war, it is not the first there six months or the first year, when everyone there might

have been thinking about whether ukraine would really survive, and now these questions are timely, they are. as we understand, stand, as the washington post writes, and that the conversation here was difficult and unpleasant, obviously unpleasant, i today i was on an ostrich farm in the kyiv region, and there, well, we know about ostriches that they bury their heads in the sand, i would like that even if there is some kind of corruption scandal, or a question arises for an official, that he lives, well, in such wealth it is very big, and when the investigators do and show it, it really shocks ukrainians, who are used to, as it were... corruption, but during the war it doesn't come to their heads, and i wanted it to be communicated here, so that there was really a reaction to it, and then, probably, it would satisfy the ukrainian society there as well, and western partners, here is a question and a reaction, first of all, at the time of the investigation, let's figure out why this official lives and has such wealth, and where he lives, and

why he does not declare and other things, if any some questions from the investigation, i want to see a transparent investigation, i want to see... even at the moment, when there is no verdict or conclusion of the investigation, that these people there, or their bosses, they come out and comment on it, communicate, we saw this week that they did not come to the parliament to communicate important issues, this is what i want to see openness, it seems to me that it is not cool here and there is a cool example of communication, when even a person who obviously has some certain questions for him, has problems, some indisputable evidence for society of this or that ... guilt, maybe there is a moral and ethical one, but she comes out, for example, and communicates it, when the hero of a certain investigation, he does not communicate, does not come out or makes such a dry reply and does not answer questions, critical questions, this gives rise to what a round of new questions, mistrust, not trust, but whether there will be an investigation and so on, that is, first of all

, you want quick communication, even if you do not yet know what happened there, say that we are following it, we are really investigating, the person is already there, for example, he goes on vacation of his own accord so as not to interfere with the investigation, and then, probably, society, as well as western partners , will have more trust in these matters, and then, of course, if there are any suspicions of corruption, then investigation, sentence again, so that society does not forget, because in we now have some kind of news in telegram channels, some kind of investigation is being carried out and this fact has been remembered, but did this news, this journalistic investigation lead to what was really proved in the courts. guilt or culpability, this is another question, which is in a long and distant box, unfortunately, well , it is obvious that the current government uses these, that it is not necessary to answer all the questions, that is , there are some corruption scandals, thank god that we have investigators, thank god that we have schemes, thank god that we have public, thank god that we have bigus-info, tetyana

nikolaenko and yurii nikolov, people who work quite carefully. with investigations, marina, how and why in ukraine with such a large number of anti-corruption bodies, they exist, first of all there is corruption, to which there are complaints, and why it exists, because the fish rots from the head, and look, if director nabu thinks that it is not necessary for him to go and comment on high-profile stories, high-profile journalistic investigations on the profile. to the anti-corruption committee is a sign of unhealthy processes in the state, because i i will remind you that in the last convocation , the anti-corruption committee was one of the most visited committees, there... there were always events, something was always being discussed there, there were always some meetings, and so society, the public, journalists could get some prompt

answers to sensitive questions, and now we see, for example, in the investigation of denys bigus, when he meets with this comrade heorgiy birkadze and heorgiy berkadze starts, and you're here, that's what i 'm writing to this guy. says the investigative journalist with the name, with reputation, and whether the word is very weighty for public opinion, i think it is not quite adequate when a story appears that our potential minister of infrastructure is a person who literally plugs all the holes when it is necessary to close a vacant place in the government , and she probably dealt with corruption stories, but due to the agreement... she did not have searches, well, this is probably not a very healthy signal for our western partners, who will give money and control the reconstruction

of ukraine precisely because of infrastructure changes. obviously they won't to simply give money without control, because, for example, more and more of their society, their citizens internally ask: why are we forced to endure, for example, another increase in taxes, and i am not against helping ukraine, but it is important for me to know that my money is going indeed for the reconstruction of ukraine, for the ukrainian army, but no, sorry, for a brand new chanel handbag that appears on some 100-500th girl, the deputy prosecutor general, this, by the way, is very confusing to our western partners, and when there are intergovernmental meetings, when there are meetings with the public, these are all handbags, love for brands, for cars. it catches the eyes of our western friends, and it confuses them that a warring country turns out to be fattening here as in the last day, plague? well, obviously the weakness

of law enforcement agencies, anti-corruption agencies, political influence on this is replaced by what we saw yesterday in dnipro, performed by mykola tyshchenko, that is, when law enforcement agencies do not work, when the prosecutorial system does not work, then mykola leaves. tyshchenko is surrounded by guards and begins to beat the fighter the former fighter of the krakin battalion, dmytro pavlov, with the callsign son, and this is how it was, let's see, because this is such a revealing story and another disgrace of mykola tyshchenko. please apply, i am on military registration, we have information, i am on military registration.

well, this is the performance of the bully bodyguards of mykola tyshchenko, the godfather of the head of the office of the president of ukraine andriy yermak, and his explanation about... that they are fighting some call centers there, some kind of coup d'état, someone is doing it, well, that is, some delusional self typical, well, as of tonight, i did not

see any reaction of the law enforcement system of ukraine, what, what, actually, what kind of reaction, i.e., why does mykola tyshchenko assume powers that no one gave him, secondly, what they catch call centers there, catch them, well, some kind of hop-stop, just kateryna, in this story, when law enforcement agencies act without... or deliberately try not to react to it, what exactly , how will it affect society and what reaction can be a part of which society there are also veterans of the russian-ukrainian war, which we actually saw even now, when the person who fought in krakina, liberated kharkiv oblast, was forced to come into contact with these people, come on, i wasn't there, as we were not there. there on the spot, we saw the video footage, and that's why we don't want to immediately hang labels on who is guilty, who is not guilty, and here, by the way, the issue of communication is interesting, mykola tychenko, he already started commenting in principle right away, oleksiy

goncharenko there in... in kyiv24 tv channel he the air was switched on, but how does he communicate, i will allow myself to express myself in this way, because journalists ask questions there, for example, a journalist, and she wants to receive these answers, and why does a people's deputy do what he does on the streets of dnipro, and what kind of security is this, or is it security, he did not give direct answers to these questions, so i really really want an investigation and clarification of this video, because this video is terrifying, well, we understand what people are saying. and what we ourselves think, being there, when ukraine is in a state of war there, well , first of all, there is danger, and we already see such examples of weapons there, maybe some brazen behavior, many people in military uniform, sometimes someone already tells a real story, that someone is afraid, and someone there is something else there, here we saw a stroller, a child, it is not clear who is approaching whom, because for example there is a policeman, as if he was a policeman, it is not very clear that he is

a policeman, and there may be legal ones. the question arises, i don't know if this is the case there will come to court, in fact, whether the person who was stopped there by a military ex-military man from the kraken, whether he understood that it was the police at all, or it was just some young men, who are these people in military uniform around mykola tyshchenko, or is it really his security, if so, why is she in a military uniform, there are a lot of questions, it all looks not very civilized, to put it mildly, and it's really scary, because here even a small child does not embarrass anyone at all. in this situation, why should such measures be taken, how dangerous was this person, that it was necessary to break it there and tear the stroller out of my hands, well, that is, i actually have a lot of such questions after watching this video, and therefore i really want some kind of analysis, i do not know this situation and the analysis is actually with specific answers, and not with mutual accusations there, because mykola tyshchenko, he just starts accusing that he is a military man, and why is he

already... an ex-military man, he has some kind of personal situation there, that he is because of the fact that his mother is disabled, he so it's not there now serves, well, that is, the deputy begins to accuse the former military man of the fact that he is not at the front, although legally, there is probably a justification for this, so there are extremely many questions, and i really do not want ukrainian streets, especially in cities that suffer so much from russian attacks, such as dnipro, there was such a situation when citizens, they would be afraid to go out. on the street, they will be afraid of people in military uniform, which is not normal, and in our situation, where the military comes first, who is protecting the ukrainians there from russian aggression, and here, by the way, i am looking at a post by mr. zhorin from tretyoshturmova, he says about that, well, he said about the uniformed military that it is enough to wear a military uniform, because it is really unclear how much justification there is for those people , who around tyshchenko to wear this military uniform, i don't know how much justification there is or not,

but such questions arise, therefore... i would like openly for mr. deputy to answer this, and indeed, for the investigation, as well as the police reacted, told in detail what was there happened, was the man who pretended to be a policeman really was, and if so, why didn't he look the right way? thank you, kateryna, marina, is the behavior of mykola tyshchenko illegitimate, i would say so, we will speak in such a language, that is... in general, which goes beyond the limits of his powers, or is this part of the practice of the current government in general , when the head of the president's office, his godfather, he also goes beyond the limits of his authority and does something that he should not do, and since there can be such a thing at the bank, then accordingly those who are close to them behave in the same way, well, i looked. almost

all the videos that were related to this topic, in order to evaluate everything from different angles, so watch what immediately catches your eye, certainly mykola tyshchenko is a very elite best man, in very good positions, in addition to the fact that he is the best man of andriy yermak, he still has a very high position among the servants of the people, here it is worth recalling this old interview of andrii bohdan, where he told gordon about the fact that mykola tyshchenko's position is so strong that he almost did not influence the general policy and volodymyr zelenskyi and bankova listened to his position, so this is the level at which kolya tyshchenko can afford to do everything. the second point, i really don't like that the place is dnipro, we all understand that dnipro is a military city. currently, russian propaganda, russian special services have thrown a lot of effort into discrediting the armed forces.