well, it must be said that usually in the last couple of weeks there was such a probing by the russians for opportunities, and why did i mention last year, because last year they tried to advance there and in principle managed to restrain their offensive by strengthening our defense forces in that place, well, let's see , how these events will really unfold now, but you know, i have a somewhat general question, because here... there was an attempt to attack in kharkiv region, now this attempt has been stopped there and in principle we can say that they are pushing back defense forces of ukraine, no, you can't say that, it's absolutely clear, in kharkiv oblast, we 've moved to pontanas, their maximum task right now is to try to dig in and leave behind this five-kilometer strip that they squeezed out a month ago, but look, at the same time , the russians actually opened this section of the front. they pulled new forces there,

a rather dangerous assault in the direction of pokrovsk is continuing there now, well actually the attempt there is actually the worst, to take the vozdvizhenka is very dangerous, as i i understand, that's right, there is an attempt to cross one of the critical routes for us, it does not mean that the overlap from this route does not mean the encirclement of anything, there are many side roads, but ... the capacity of the side roads and the capacity the routes are very different, so if they break through the nadvizhynka like this, then it is the logistics in that area with a strong composition, well, if we say in general on the front, what can we expect , what are the russians trying to do now, how do you see the overall picture, i see the general picture as follows: they have so far there remain two key advantages over us, even the third artillery i would have already painted. although

in terms of artillery they remain five times more and there are approximately more shells fired there, but considering how much less accurately their artillery works, how much more, let's say, ours works technically, then from the moment trump was unblocked and the first american shells arrived, i would say that in terms of artillery there is already parity in reality, it is not quantitative, but due to the quality of the work of our artillery, i was talking about peretet, but here are two advantages that the russians have remain, these are strikes by kabama fabama, i.e. aerial bombs, which they still drop from a safe distance, 50 kilometers from the front line, and actually an advantage in numbers, i.e. an advantage in the banal number of soldiers per one kilometer of the front, in different areas this advantage is different, but well, in some areas it even reaches one to 10, well, practically nowhere it is not less than 1/5, you understand, that is, but both of these... they always have magicians, first of all,

they, just like us looking forward to the arrival of the f-16, so are they, already resigned to the fact that the f-16s understand that from this moment on this advantage, a very important advantage, the possibility of airstrikes by tabs and fabs will be available as soon as the f-16s appear, it is no secret, we are not revealing anything with you now that the key task of these planes will be to shoot down the russian front-line aircraft. and the f-16 are arriving in exactly the complex that is needed for this, i.e. with hundreds of kilometers of air-to-air missiles, that is, they have a month or two left, while their aviation gives an important advantage, well, what about the live forces, here it is more difficult to predict exactly how the mobilization will unfold in us, but still they cannot help but see that, however sad they are, they are still far from what we need, they are far from such, but still comparatively with the fact that... it was the previous

year and a half, at least there was some sadness, and of course they are , first of all, they are now frantically intensifying the campaign to disrupt the mobilization, they are already going to the apat, they are already trying to organize all the basements of the cars of the war gods and things like that, i.e. this is such a clumsy sabotage in the dust, but they well understand that it can be anything do not work, they are still trying to manage our mobilization, but they already admit that we may add to it, and so... in this way , they now have the over-task before the arrival of the f16 and before the deployment of our normal maximum to infect and secure the strongest possible position on those negotiations, to which putin actually recently voiced, i mean his seemingly very defiant, very boorish ultimatum that the cities will be withdrawn from four regions, then we are ready to talk, well, we should not consider it an idea.

and a very long time, by the way, the sunset for this one, i hope that it can already be said in the past tense, although it has not yet been fully confirmed, so this one will withdraw the troops, which looks like an ultimatum, in fact it is as soon as the call reaches out, he turns, first of all, not to us, because we are not a subject for him, he turns to our westerners and hopes to hear something like, well, volodymyr volodymyrovych, well, it's clear that no one will repay you, no one kherson is not for you... the usa, while it was against mobilization, they

did not make such proposals then, they did not then were going to talk about any four regions, but they announced that kyiv, dnipropetrovsk, otesa. they are not talking, but they are talking about four areas, in fact , for them now the overriding task is to ensure the maximum winning position for negotiations on the freeze, but now they really want to get a serious break, because it is even starting to work for us, but after a very difficult step that we after all, they held out, gradually, but they are starting to tilt , and... they are starting to tilt in our year, a very important signal here, you know, well literally a parade of declarations by different countries that we can now hit the barracks with our weapons, and ours, and ours, this is a signal that the west has finally understood, the only way to force russia into

diplomacy is only to defeat it on the battlefield, and we are finally starting to get help not for deterrence, but for victory, yes, it 's 2.5 years late, but it seems... it 's finally happening. the russians can't help but see him, and that's why their main task for the next month is to squeeze as much as possible and ensure a stable position in these negotiations. from here, by the way, and exit to oskol, and is just a very convenient line for maintaining further defense and for demarcation. well, let's hope that nothing will work out for them in the near future, nothing at all in the longer term. thank you, thank you for joining us, yevhen dyky, er, veteran. russian-ukrainian war, deputy platoon commander of aidar battalion. now we have to take a break. after a break , another guest and i will talk a little about air defense and , in fact, about the defense of ukraine in this context. so wait. events, events

that are happening right now and affect the our life. of course, the news story reports about them. however, it was not enough to know what was happening. it is necessary to understand. antin borkovskii and invited experts soberly assess the events, analyze them, modeling our future. every saturday at 13:10 with a repeat on sunday at 10:10. studio zahid with anton borkovsky at espresso. so, we continue the chronicles of the war, and one more guest has joined us, this is anatoliy khrapchynskyi, the deputy general director of the company engaged in radio electronic warfare, an aviation expert. i congratulate you, mr. anatoly, i congratulate you, you know, let's start with what is relevant today, today, this night, russian troops launched 21 kamikaze drones of the shakhet type over ukraine, 19 of them were

destroyed, but on the other hand, they flew so far to the lviv region, air defense, in general, worked in five regions, and they flew for quite a long time, and... well, aren't they flying too long and far, and something can be done about it in general, if you compare it with previous attacks, has this situation with the protection against the shaheds worsened , has improved, how do you rate it in general, c why are there nuances? and if we are talking about countermeasures against strike drones of the shachet type, it should be noted here that mostly mobile groups are working, which are there for certain... searching for them, that is, they are already passed on to mobile groups and practiced by mobile groups of destruction, of course, that a certain a part, if they have a route laid out for them, for example, there is about working out points in western ukraine, then they will accept in that direction, and here we are talking about the fact that even

then mobile groups located, for example, in the lviv region but here it should be noted that the creation of the main task now lies before the defense forces, it is the automation of these processes, because we see that mostly mobile groups work against the shahed, we need to install automatic destruction systems and create... a low-altitude radar field, which will allow us to work more actively on these means. again, it is clear that with the receipt of more aviation, which our western partners promise us, it becomes somewhat easier, because due to being in the air space, for example, airplanes, and due to the radar equipment that is on the airplanes, we will be able to destroy them automatically, for example, even with the same 20-millimeter guns that are on the f-16, but we must definitely move in the direction. the development of small ground systems that would counter uavs, because in principle , uavs will currently be the next challenge for

any country, and we see how uav-based strike systems are actively being modernized and created, unmanned aerial systems, or just ordinary uavs , so actually here we have to talk about the construction of some systems that could destroy, and we already see, for example, when rain metal says that they will work together there at the leopard base, certain systems that will destroy such and such aerial targets. in principle, we have our own ukrainian developments, we are currently working on the creation of a radar system of small arms that will help us solve this issue, and because it should be noted here that ukrainian engineers are actively involved in this, and the destruction will be at the expense of for example, interception by other small uavs, and at the expense of, for example, cannons or from where... a cheaper version of missiles, well , yes, well, after all, it is not patriots to shoot at them, it will somehow be too

irrational, but look, well, it’s a joke, it’s one story, but there are still russian reconnaissance drones, and somehow everything has been going on with them recently, i would say yes, well, it’s ambiguous, because firstly, they fly inconspicuously enough and far enough, if earlier they used to lead there in the district of kharkiv, but now it's already there how... it is recorded that such a drone flew to kyiv and guided there, and the russians , in principle, built a fairly effective system, when this reconnaissance drone quickly enough transmits information about literally a car that has slowed down, well, a little bit at a checkpoint, and iskander flies there fast enough, and that's the danger, what 's the difficulty of destroying, well, first of all, detecting these reconnaissance drones, then destroying them. because well, i say that they, they remain

invisible for quite a long time. there are two key points here: why have there been more russian uavs of the reconnaissance type? this is due to the fact that ukraine carried out a certain number of operations, which made it impossible for long-range radars to look in the direction of ukraine, from the side of russia. this is the destruction of aircraft such as the delu a50 and strikes on such radar systems as, for example, the same container. but... at the same time, russia used to work with uav reconnaissance, but it was near the front line and the border. now we actually see that the activity of russian non-profits has slightly increased, but at the same time we say about the fact that there are certain developments regarding the destruction of these bepols, we already see, for example, even videos on telegram channels when an fpv drone shoots down, for example, the same reconnaissance bhopal, so in principle there are developments, but here one important point must be understood , no less important. that, in principle, these systems are unmanned aircraft, or unmanned, for example, an ordinary classic drone with

an electric motor, even without an internal combustion engine, and they are inconspicuous for ordinary classic radar systems, so we are talking about the creation of a low-altitude system radar field, where there will be a large number of radar systems, which will allow us to consolidate the possibility of detecting any means that are in the air on ... so we are talking about the creation of a fourth system that would help, for example, to detect less visible objects, but here it must be understood that a large number of such detection means will be needed, because they are not calculated. for long-distance work, they can see, for example, there within a radius of 100 km, so

here it is necessary to work on the main roads, put such systems that would allow us to detect, ukraine is currently working on this, we are also working, our company is working, is currently engaged in these means, but there is a certain time for this, and therefore, well, we understand that we need to speed up and we are actively working now, but no less, there are western-style systems that help us work in some directions, and what, for example, are these systems, what is it, what are you talking about? well, let's go back to the usual cheetah, which can also see air targets there at a certain distance, that is, there are also our redesigned systems, soviet ones systems that were being reworked, the question here is that the price is actually going down. strike means due to this, it is not profitable to use more expensive, for example, countermeasures systems, so there are, for example, the same vampires that help work on these air targets. and if we talk about the involvement of the same cheetahs and vampires, that is, how many of them are needed to close the territory of ukraine? well, now i am, well , i understand that you will not tell me everything completely,

well, at least the order, well, a lot, let's start with what, in principle, we are talking about... these systems with a small radius of action, but here i will repeat again that, in principle, the system of work of mobile groups is unique and of higher quality, so we say that the creation of systems of mobile groups will continue to be effective, but here we need to increase direct systems upon detection, that is, when we see a group of bpla moving along a separate route, an approximate calculation is made of where they are going and their mobile groups are already waiting there, but there will already be work, for example, an automatic destruction system. guidance and destruction, that is summarizing this, i understand that we are now talking about the creation of such four levels of protection, one is what concerns there, well, iskander, there is caliber, something like that, more so powerful, the other is shakhet, yes, and how about that, that is, sum up just one, two,

third, starting simply by classification, we take ballistic missiles, aeroballistic missiles. cruise missiles and, for example, bepols of various types, and, for example, or short-medium-range unguided missiles, that is, we are talking about the fact that a number of equal systems that will be intercepted due to the operation of new modern radar systems, because it should be noted that again this is a completely new direction, and here we need more high-quality and high-tech weapons, tell me, is it theoretically possible to exclude these drones? well, with some kind of directed radio signal or something, there is such a possibility with pulse signals, when a certain problem is created and this means is simply blown up in the air both by laser systems and by electromagnetic pulses, as much as it can, but it must be developed, that is, we have not developed it now, as i understand it, well, the british promised us to transfer a laser system, but so far

the information is silent about this, but nevertheless it should be noted that... there are a number of developments in ukraine that are currently advancing , which are currently being developed. well, we just wish you such great success and promotion in this matter, because it is very necessary, that's exactly what i think. tell me one more thing, what is the difficulty of closing the pre-frontal territory from blows, well, the same ones, for example, su bombers, what are the biggest problems there? front-line zone. and it makes high-quality work impossible, for example, of air defense systems, because due to the radar equipment included in them, they are very visible to the enemy and can be hit, for example, from the same artillery or there from other means of close range, and therefore in principle, we are saying that in the front-line zone it will be better to work with aircraft targeting aerial targets, which will try to drop either aerial guided

aerial bombs, or, for example, launch missiles short-medium range, and therefore it is still more effective to work from the air, but nevertheless, as we can see, our military men work very well, even with portable manpads, which allow them to destroy russian aircraft, well, that’s when these aircraft arrive well, for some noticeable distance there, when they drop there from a distance of 40 km, then here i think manpads will certainly not help, here a little, again , our guys work for us, enter the territory and practice, that's why we see such. results and this is very positive, but in fact it is very difficult and it would be much easier to deal with it, for example, by aviation due to the fact that the same f16 aircraft will be able to operate at a distance of up to 185 km, shoot down any enemy target. and you know, tell me what problems we can solve in general, what problems we can solve, in the case of the arrival of the same f16 planes, and what problems

should not be counted on to solve, well, again. let's start with the fact that the acquisition of f-16 aircraft is a significant strengthening of the forces of the air force of ukraine, because due to the acquisition of more modern, of modern aviation, we must not forget that not just f16s are being transferred to ukraine, but swedish saabs are being transferred together with long-range relocation detection aircraft, this is a significant increase in capabilities and improvement of the tactical and technical characteristics of aircraft, because we, for example, in combination with work with such. .. e planes, command planes , we can say that our f-16s will be 4+ generations, ah, again, due to the fact that they can work with and receive exceptional radar systems. task, direction from directly already aircraft of a given radar image, and here we are saying that due to the work of these planes, which will do reconnaissance, they

see not only air targets, but they can also see ground targets, that is, we are talking about air against the air defense of the enemy, about the movement of military equipment, and again there is precise targeting and target intelligence for the f-16, that is, we are talking about the fact that our aircraft will more safely be able to ... work on the front line or near the border and work on important objects as on the territory of the russian federation, and on territories of temporarily occupied ukraine. therefore , in principle, there are many advantages here, it is clear that you want, say so, say, i hear you, a large number, but nevertheless we will rely on what we have now, and you know, here is the last thing we heard about planes that they will still be there sometime this year, but... but we remember they once said that they would definitely be there in the summer of the 24th, well , the summer is already going like this, now, well, it's like how it will be this year is unknown when, you know,

isn't there such an impression that after all somehow is this transfer of planes delayed, is everything normal, maybe you can clarify this situation a little bit, if you know, well, actually, let's go back to what pilot training involves... not only training pilots to fly these planes, but the basics of conducting combat operations, that is, we are talking about the possibility of working out as part of both the aviation branch and aviation, certain tasks that will be faced by our pilots. again, now we're talking about two long-range detection aircraft being transferred to us, sub command aircraft, so here too it will be necessary to practice training together with these aircraft, and i think that there is a greater need for trained and well-trained teams that are happening now, that is, we are talking about the fact that even the pilots who have already passed training, they are now practicing certain exercises and preparing already before, for example, some

combat operations or combat tasks with enlistment on the territory of ukraine or on the territory of the russian federation, that is, we are talking about the fact that there is a need to work out already future ones, for example, some tasks that will be done on the territory of the federation or on the territory of temporarily occupied ukraine, so in fact we are talking about the fact that here, well, i do not see any delay here, there is an understanding that in principle there is a gradual acquisition of certain opportunities and an increase in opportunities, and due to this there is simply an understanding , that it is necessary to train pilots more deeply in some direction or, for example, to obtain some additional knowledge, and we should not forget that, in principle, the infrastructure of ukraine is already ready to receive airplanes, moreover, we even already have... and means for training , ground means for training, we are talking directly about augmented reality simulators that will allow, for example, pilots to perform certain exercises first on the ground and

then in the air, and we must not forget that there is already a trained group of engineers who will be ready meet planes in ukraine. well, literally today the statement of the american spokesman, i just don't remember who exactly, that after all the planes will be based on the territory. country, that is , it is not about the fact that they will be there from some other country, well, i do not know of romanian bases there take off or something, after all, it will be on the territory of ukraine. i understand that this is also a significant and already such, you know, preparatory, well, how to say, clarification, well, maybe there general atmosphere, preparation and that, speaking of the approach, in fact, the planes are approaching, you know, i wanted would... one more such aspect to be discussed very briefly, it is actually about radio-electronic warfare on the front line, that is, directly, well, that is, our drones

are flying, russian drones are flying, and right now, well, a lot of people are talking about that the russians seem to be superior to us in radio-electronic warfare in this regard, they succeed more easily, but how do you assess this situation directly at the front? and again , in different directions, the situation with the presence of anti-electronic warfare means both of the enemy and of us is different, so it should be noted here that in principle, if we talk about the means of radio-electronic warfare of russia, then i constantly say that they are overestimated, because these means of radio-electronic warfare, which are in the classic version, what russia has been actively developing recently, are means that provide, for example, suppression of signals, both navigation and mobile communication or, for example, communication of the usual classic radio. and therefore, what is now needed in large numbers is countermeasures against classic civilian uavs, which are now actively

used as combatants. and in principle, that ukraine, that russia faced the lack of such means in the armed forces, that is why development is actively underway on our side, and the russians are also trying to somehow replace it, but they are actively helped in this matter by china, and with regard to ukrainian means, it should be noted here that the number of companies engaged in radio-electronic warfare means has increased, much increased, and for example, based on our own experience, we are already working with our own developments, with our own systems for creating interference and amplification. signal, that is, we are saying that most of the components that we, we purchase components, but we do not purchase prepare solutions and develop the actual systems that help our military defend against strike or reconnaissance drones, so in principle perspectives, i would say that there is more ukraine, because - tell me, do we have a connection with

the guest, because something is a little unclear, you hear me, i apologize, yes, there is just something here, something is so breaking through the connection connection, maybe the light, well, now you see, it’s already normal, so in principle you can continue, you know, that’s why, yes, yes, yes, please, well, ask, i heard the other day, just, well, the russians boasted that they seem to have developed it now. some kind of shock uav that does not work at the same frequencies or something like that of a mavik, and that's them supposedly will allow, well, somehow to silence the mavics, without fear, at the same time to drown out their own otsey ot pela, well, firstly, as far as it is possible in general, is this reality, is this some kind of boasting, and secondly, well, actually in in this context, what are

the possibilities at all? well, let's not reveal a lot of details there, but let's note that, for example, most of the systems that are purchased by the russians, we know about this in advance and understand what frequencies they will switch to, so if they are happy some frequencies, then this, they can be happy, but they must be ready that we already have a countermeasure, because in fact we are actively working in this direction as well, we need to understand where the enemy plans to move, so again we have ready decision. on all the ranges that can be used by vara, and how to make sure that these ready-made solutions do not interfere with our own, because as i understand it, this is also a serious enough problem that someone constantly starts working with electronic warfare, and as a result, and ours also fall, questions communications, in fact, here we are talking about the fact that, for example, we have some systems that we can already implement artificial

intelligence, which will allow us to check... and detect, for example, the possibility of oppression by certain means that belong to our defense forces , therefore, in principle, there are certain developments here that will allow us to work actively and not harm our own incorporeal systems, but again, for now, while it is still being implemented, we need the majority of the military to know that the key to success is good communication between units, thank you, we spoke with anatoly hrabchynskyi... the general director of the company engaged in radio electronic warfare, an aviation expert, thank you very much for joining us and explaining everything in such sufficient detail, i remind you about our collection for the repair of armored vehicles, be sure to join it, because it is very important in the combat zone , to restore the equipment, it is very important when our fighters have the opportunity to use it, that it, you know, restores its own

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