but certain financial and economic issues will also be discussed there , the construction of this hub, as it were, on the territory of turkey, to what extent these negotiations in general can contribute to the promotion of putin 's current agenda, well, in particular, in the context of recent visits and recent statement well, i think that putin said enough in pyongyang and hanoi. a lot of things that should have happened in principle should have been negatively perceived in turkey, and turkey signed the declaration, well, the final, final declaration of the peace summit, and turkey declares the territorial integrity of ukraine, based on what putin has said, well, these are hardly topics around which... well, especially when it concerns

ukraine, the parties will come together somewhere in the middle, and although, well, of course, there will be a lot of words, there will be many speeches, there will be calls from turkey to end the war, return to the negotiating table and the like, this is what we have repeatedly heard from erdogan. as for the economic aspects, well, there are really nuances here, because... turkey, as we know, is seriously dependent on russian money, on russian gas and e russian investments, including those big projects implemented by erdoğan, the same nuclear power plant, and turkey has a lot of problems around this, and this may become the subject of actual negotiations on the part of angra. but the question here

is that the impression is that putin has recently become openly offended by erdogan. did you hear all his reflexes at the st. petersburg international economic forum, he had never spoken in such, i would say, insulted tones about erdogan's turkey before? well, he's been around lately, me i think that he has lost his sense of caution, i would say, yes, that is, he begins to say quite a lot of things that would not have occurred to him a few years ago, and this actually indicates a possible understanding of the fact that the signals , which he's been giving to his allies, that you stick with me because i'm not going to back down, i'm going to press and i'm going to bend my line, and that's the key, it seems,

or the key message he's sending, everything else is an insult and everything else, we heard from him more than once, that is, we can state that putin to some extent went into abank, even with even, conditionally speaking, at the expense of certain interests with traditional partners of the russian federation, because we really see that his statements have become significantly radicalized, and they may not be liked. not only, relatively speaking, us there or the civilized world, yes, and their closest partners may not like them either, well, we talked here about turkey in particular, but in fact we can also talk about other middle eastern countries here, so this is not from a good life everything is happening for putin, and it seems to me that the visit to north korea is that watershed, because he has already crossed a certain line. well, relatively speaking, political

decency, and there is no place for him to retreat from now on, he is just moving now in this direction, but it is obvious that there is nothing good ahead of him, well , the reaction of south korea itself testifies to this, well, this still the direction of self-isolation, because again when he came to north korea 24 years ago. he was there as a representative of such a, i would say, civilized world, but you cannot agree with the fkinians, but i will agree on what do you want from him, you remember, from kimchynin's father, kimchynyra demanded in principle to agree to the conditions that the united states put forward at the time, and even talked about it, he just didn't get anything, by the way, i have to say, that he already failed in pyongyang the way trump later failed in his meetings with kim jong-un, they both for some reason believed that they could control these people. to convince this family of something, but it

was a 24-year-old putin, i would say, bottling, it is still such a young wine, and this is now some you know, some... barmatukha, bormatukha came, i would say vinegar, probably vinegar, vinegar, no need for barmatukha, no need for wine, there is no more wine, there is this, well, because kim chinin looks like a more serious politician, than putin in this couple, you see, well, in principle, he achieved what kimchanin wanted, unlike putin, putin came to bow to him, not the other way around, thank you, mr. igor, and igor semivolos, director of the center for middle eastern studies, was . well, in a few minutes we will move on to communication with vitaly portnikov, let's talk about these topics, certainly about others, about everything that happened this week, about all strategic issues

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the live broadcast, the saturday politclub, and the hour of our conversation with vitaly fortnikov begins. we will certainly, probably, start with the same question, with these visits, briefly, then we will move on to other statements, to other events. mr. vitaly, we have heard. already different opinions about putin's visit to north korea, before the meeting with kimchinn, we saw that in principle, well, this the meeting was not crowned with the success it could have been crowned with, or at least what putin was thinking there, after all, why did he do it, why did he do it, why was he going there, well, in my opinion... in order to get weapons, that is, if he gets weapons there, gets them in the quantities in which he

needs them, to some extent for him, in his isolation, this is already, as they say, a big plus, yes, if we are talking about some foreign policy activity of russia, here , of course, most likely a minus, here is your opinion, what are the positives from this, from this visit, and the second question, and what threats does it pose for ukraine? well, i think that on the issue of obtaining weapons, it is not necessary to make a state visit, because despite the fact that we say that the kimchan wanted to see him there, the kimchan wants to sell these weapons. it is necessary to understand the situation of the north korean economy. the north korean economy does not exist as such, and never existed, because all these people, and kimersen, and them and...how they have always been parasites on china in principle,

and in general they always tried to get money from everyone and not promise anything to anyone, ugh, and that is why they were always treated quite cautiously, even with the soviet union, but according to the terminology of the international department of the central committee of the cpsu, they were not even part of the socialist camp, you know that, they were not part of the socialists. they were not members of the council of mutual economic assistance, they were observers, such as finland, yugoslavia, by the way, was in close relations with this council, that is , in fact, they were always very sharp, and that that putin has to get so close to him now, it... says that he has serious intentions. so, the first is a weapon, yes. kimchanin is now constantly, this can be seen from

the reports of the central telegraph agency of korea, from publications in nodong sinmon. he constantly travels to the defense of the enterprise, he watches what is happening there. this is a huge economic chance for him, well, imagine, he is the leader of a country that is 90% dependent on china. what china wants, it gives, it does not want, it does not give. in general, nothing will give, whether there is hunger, there will be eat. ugh, here is a situation where he can get his own money for his own products, russian money, i mean, so he will still produce these weapons, because this is an incredible economic opportunity for him, he just got lucky with this attack on ukraine , uh, once, but that’s not all putin needs, so why is putin signing this treaty and returning this article on mutual defense, in general, between the russian federation and the democratic people’s republic of korea, there is a treaty, it is valid , he

signed after 2006, when the soviet-north korean treaty would have expired. why was there no strategic partnership and promises to defend and protect north korea in this treaty. why does putin need this article to tell kimchinin that if he has a conflict with south korea, russia will protect him, she will come to his aid. and russia will protect him, well, she can at least use the right of withdrawal in the un security council, i'm sorry, she has things, real possibilities of influence, she can send him the equipment which he does not have, well, shells are shells, but planes, uh, but high technologies, drones, you see, that’s all, russia really needs utilitarian soviet shells from it, and it needs much more from russia, because south korea has modern army. and if putin assures him of this, then it is important for him, the question is not

whether andrei will protect him from putin, no, or not, the question is that putin wants to provoke him into a possible war, look how beautiful he looks disposition, war in ukraine, the war in the middle east, and ukraine has already started to be talked about less, imagine that the war started on the korean peninsula, there will be less talk about the middle east, yes, because there... american troops will be directly involved, this is not a war for you in the middle east, where the americans have some kind of tamasics to the shores in front of the american soldiers in south korea, withdraw them or strengthen them? contingent, what to do? this is an existential challenge for the united states, it is not about the wars that are going on now, but about ukraine forgot even more, right? uhu, well, that is, he goes, uses two tactics, the salami tactic in relation to us and the tactic of small cuts in relation to the west, so that the blood flows out, so to speak, in such strips, but

we can assume that in putin's plans, well at least it can be... plans for such a conflict to take place before the presidential elections in the usa, well, we have to try, that is, we understand that this is an ideal option for him, of course, because then biden will almost certainly lose the election, although, as know, around an american president who is waging a war, a real one, where are american interests, i am at war with the american army, can the nation be united, it is risky, it is not for you ... a war in ukraine, where it is about money, and not a war in the middle east, which divides society, on which the americans will be divided in the war on the korean peninsula, if kimchan attacks south korea, there will be a consensus here, and a consensus, and not only from the society, but from the political elites, we saw in this studio, we sat and saw as there is a certain split between the democrats and

the republicans, even on many issues, including the middle east, it will most likely not exist here. will already say that he would have come to an agreement with kimchanin, you know why, if i were the president, i would try to come to an agreement with him, i would come to an agreement with him, he did not arrange such a thing, but when i was the president, he didn't like it, well, by the way, trump is one of the few presidents who met with kim chin, that's the world, i mean, he's one of the few, that is, in fact, trump, why putin, and should a huge mistake was, it seems to me, that well, this is also an indicator, well, by the way , he himself started meeting with this person, who by and large is not the head of the state, but we have to understand that, he is

such a pushover or a beekeeper, only korean bottling. because it is not a real state, it is just an entity in the zone of soviet occupation, just like the german democratic republic, they occupied a third part of the territory of korea and proclaimed their own regime on this territory, and by the way, now you understand why they are there have not gone, putin going to pushilin or poshilin, well, that would be strange, with a visit, imagine, putin makes... an official visit to, well, not to the ddnr, to the republic of south ossetia. it looks comical, doesn't it? putin is met by skhinvali. well, that's why the soviet leaders never went to kimersen, they didn't consider him a real president. they understood very well that the real korean president is in tsiul. and this is just a puppet who decided that she is not

a puppet. something like that. well, of course it's unpleasant for us, but what to do with him? so i don't i know how far before the real election process they can arrange it, because it is a very risky game, in general it is a risky game, you see, kim chin-in still has nuclear weapons, and if he starts a war, it is not known how they will act the united states, won't they decide that they just need to destroy the whole thing, just to protect themselves from north korea's use of nuclear weapons. this is such a very, very unpleasant story, and another unpleasant story for the world is that putin stopped restraining the kimchan. after all, russia is so or so otherwise, before this visit, there was some part of the international community that supported sanctions against the north korean nuclear program, prevented pyongyang from further aggressive actions towards

its neighbors, all this will no longer exist. russia largely gave him carte blanche. and china, which one? his role here, we understand that xi jinping has a huge influence on kim ching-in, if xi jinping has a different position, let's say, then it is hard for me to imagine that kim ching-in will go to such a huge escalation, unless it is tacit agree, you know, it's hard to say, i think that xizhenping despises him. again, in beijing , the leaders of north korea have always been very cautious, well , kimersen was a more serious figure for them, because he was a person who came to power at the same time. but you understand, chinese leaders, they are ideological people, well , realistically, well, of course, sijimping too, the son

of a party worker there, but he is absolutely sure that he has made his own party career, well, he is just well educated, well brought up, like and belongs to the real one nomenklaturnik, they generally have this generation of princes there, but they imagine the idea of ​​party rule in china as a family one, that the mautzadun there transfers his power to his son. or densiopin, they all have children, and they themselves are someone’s children, well, that doesn’t happen, they really created a functioning system of nomenclature traditions, yes, and this family regime, it doesn’t look communist to them, ugh, it’s already for them, you know, something is wrong, and of course this third leader of the regime, let them even allow him to have nuclear weapons, he is just nobody compared to sidzempin, from sidzempin's point of view. dependence on china, and when did chinese leaders even visit pyongyang? they were very rarely there at all, but these

were also such events of events, and now, when did the policy of zero tolerance for the coronavirus end? it has already been two years since sidzenpin went to samarkand, it was 2022. yes, yes, it has been even two years, maybe more, he went to samarkand, he went to astana, uh, he went to moscow, he went to paris, to san francisco he went, it seems to me that this is not all that i have listed, i can tell you where the leaders, both leaders of the chinese government, went during this time, for the past two years, the current one and the previous one, no one went to kinian, now question, how did you go where? to vladivostok and now receives putin. and who went to beijing? deputy minister of foreign affairs of the dprk. and the minister went

to moscow. that is, there is also a lot to say about it. if such a dependency. how can it be with such dependence that there is no contact on higher level. or at least at the level of foreign ministers. well, you see, well, vaan. he meets almost all his colleagues. he met with the minister of foreign affairs. affairs of the government of the taliban in afghanistan, but he does not meet with the minister, the minister of foreign affairs of the dprk, do you think that this happens with good relations, but the position here is actually strange, we are fine, we understand well that including china is directly engaged in it supply of a large number of products, he receives them, you understand, receives them, but he cannot, but it does not hold that it is better for them to be than for them not to be, because if... they are not received, they will simply disappear, that is, a conditional north korea for china is somewhere at the level there in quotation marks of the dpr, yes, transnistria,

transnistria, uh, well, that's a good example, by the way, such a thing was recognized in transnistria, yes, because he annexed the dpr to russia, it's like that, well, i mean before the accession, of course, yes , and that's why they so want ties with russia in its current state, because the north will legitimize them. and mr. igor said that he believes that putin agreed with sidzimpin, i think he did not agree on anything. neither korea nor vietnam, as agreed, he could tell him that i am going there, but of course, there are your interests, comrade, well , let's face the fact, i will take it into account, because we are in a strategic partnership, we are friends, and i of course, i will do everything in vietnam to reduce their level of dependence on the americans, because it is not beneficial for both of us, well, look. vietnam and the united states have an annual turnover of 150 billion , vietnam and china 120 billion, and

for vietnam and russia, it seems to me four or three, something like that, well, there are up to 10, i read an analysis somewhere a few days ago, well, that is, he arrived and did not arrive, what difference does it make, who, who needs you here, of course, he can supply them with weapons, he can speak beautiful words there. but he is not their partner, and by the way, neither is the kimian, well, what is the strategic goal, after all, we have dealt with north korea, there are several, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, what is the strategic goal of putin in vietnam, for some reason he went there to play with washington and beijing, that is the vietnamese, the communist party of vietnam, always had the so -called bamboo idea. lomets, this is flexibility, well , we also once had such a bamboo president, leonid kuchumar, relations with everyone, and multi-vectorness, yes, even when...

the albanian labor party led by enver hoxha broke relations with the soviet union and the people's republic of china, then the only such country where you could see her delegation, i think, besides cuba, was vietnam, with vietnam they continued and vietnam with them continued, and the fact that vietnam called the soviet union revisionists, and the chinese there as renegades, this did not prevent the vietnamese from having ties with it, even at the party level, you understand, this is such a tactic, so hanoi needs to show this. putin needs to show he's a player, because that's all, it's still a concern. look, the americans have already sent an assistant secretary of state. the chinese clearly understand that any agreements on the supply of weapons to vietnam are not in their interests. they are always trying to stop any agreements between moscow and hanoi on the supply of weapons.

so what will they do now? now they... will start at an unofficial level, not so that they call ambassadors there, contact the russian leadership, they say, you can't, listen, show them what you want to sell, well, let's see, we don't mind, for you to trade with them, they are our friends, but you can look at the nomenclature, or it may be the other way around, russia wants to buy something from vietnam, i don't think the vietnamese are ready to sell, we have already talked with you about these numbers, well imagine by the way, vietnam has a lot of soviet shells, huh. north korea did not dream, can you imagine what kind of army is in vietnam? well, of course, that's why i say that putin, of course, it was, it would be like a jackpot, well, of course, one whale near the sour cream, but as soon as even one vietnamese shell gets here, the americans say to the vietnamese, sorry, but you and i will not do this, this , this, this, they and biden agreed on a strategic partnership, they are not about that, they are not china, they are just strategic partners of the usa, as they...

they will supply weapons to russia, i think that they are not going to, they can buy weapons from russia, but not give them to them, but russia itself needs weapons, well, there is a certain nomenclature that can be sold, but not all of them are needed, there some technologies that they can sell, but in any case, i think that this is a game on nerves, and plus a diplomatic answer to switzerland, ugh, that we are players here, well, then, listen, and imagine that he just to... went to north korea, he looked absolutely ridiculous, right? such a great statesman of all times and peoples, where he is allowed in pyongyang. as serhii lavrov said: we will now rest in the resorts of north korea. and about, and these russian comedians on television even laugh at it. they sing songs there: will we now rest in the resorts of north korea. this causes laughter even on the state tv channels

of russia. so, if... putin wants to look like a statesman, he definitely needed to add something to this visit to north korea, and what, where are they waiting for him, nowhere, well, here i am, well, i'm waiting somewhere, no, well, i think in this region, where he wants to go, potentially, what other states of a similar nature can receive putin for a visit, or can we expect any similar visits in the near future... to far eastern or middle eastern countries? well, let's start with which countries can sell him more weapons, none, only north korea and iran, all the others, well, and some spare parts through third countries, well , spare parts - that's right, of course, no, so , where is he going can still go to the asia-pacific region, well, there

is nothing special there, well, laos, cambodia. well this is also very conditional, and what will he do there, so to speak? well, that is, he can there, if he could, he would have already gone with vietnam, well, somehow they are not very interesting to him, he is not very interested in them, well, all the other countries there, in he can go to india, hardly, so in theory he can make a visit to delhi, but it will be a certain tension in the relationship between the... somehow i'm not sure what's wrong with him they will be waiting there, well, there will be a visit to kazakhstan, well kazakhstan, so to speak, it will be in about two weeks or three, we are already ...