not even in 91 and not in 17, but since the time of the russian empire, they are not solved, or yes, the kremlin is trying to solve these problems by war, and as a result , it brings war on itself and collapse on itself, and that's what we see, these are excellent illustrations of all the problems that exist in modern russia, there is nothing to add to this, thank you, friends, please stay with the espresso tv channel, and i will end my broadcast for this. victory and peace to you, good luck. it is about politics about the world. i am maria gurska, a journalist for a ukrainian tv channel and editor-in-chief of the eu sisters portal. we are talking to the chairman of the committee on foreign affairs of the polish sejm and the chairman of the council for foreign affairs . on june 25, the european union begins

accession negotiations with ukraine. you are a politician who has been active in the polish-ukrainian dialogue for several decades, probably since the early 90s. you have been to several maidans and now you are at the front. what does it mean to you personally? this event and how do you see its significance in the fate of ukraine? history actually begins to happen before our eyes, we become witnesses important events, because just now you reminded me that this was the essence of the orange revolution, this was the main goal of the revolution of dignity, for which people came to the maidan. it was the same during the revolution on granite, that is, all the last 30-40 years of the history of ukraine. because once it was not

called the european union, but it was clearly understood that ukraine is not part of the soviet union, it is not a former soviet republic, but a european state. and now ukraine is entering this port, entering the negotiation period. these negotiations, i hopefully will be shorter than in the case of others. that is, she is an associate member, and these are not empty words. it is about the fact that, for example, in trade matters in ukraine with the eu, it is already almost like in the union. in addition, there are special rules related to war, this also led to the fact that ukraine gained access to the free market and in many ways, the eu countries as well.

still ahead in the legal sense, it will definitely last several years, i think at least four-five, and maybe 6-7 years of negotiations, ukraine is a big country, so negotiations will be long. ukraine and the european commission ukraine and the european union have extended the agreement on the liberalization of freight transportation for another year with the possibility of extension. how will this affect polish-ukrainian relations and will there be new blockades? you know, i'm already used to talking about these blockades and everything here is absolutely clear to me. there will be various blockades in our part of europe, because it looks like this in the eu, and as soon as ukraine is in the european union.

the same thing awaits ukrainian farmers. i wish ukrainians to find themselves in the european union as soon as possible, and ukrainian farmers, for example, or producers of various goods, will protest against the import of such goods from outside the eu. ukraine will be part of europe. manufacturing costs in the eu are always higher because it will also protect its market. should we wait for new protests in poland, perhaps they cannot be avoided, because such is life. in areas where there are certain losses where a group of producers may be affected. for this, the european union has developed many mechanisms, i am a supporter of solving these issues practically, pragmatically and not making a sensation out of it. i think until the end negotiations with the eu, and this is the most important thing, ukraine will get free access. to a greater or lesser

extent, they are already working, the point is to be fully in the eu, so the negotiations will primarily concern that all laws of ukraine are adapted to european law, that it is part of the single legal system of the eu, and then, for example, when the ukrainian an entrepreneur will invest in spain or portugal, he will be treated as a citizen of this country, and vice versa, if a portuguese or a spaniard or a pole conducts business in ukraine, he... and what's more, i would like to see ukrainian politicians in the european parliament, in the european commission, in all european institutions that manage this huge, but very useful

mechanism for every citizen, which is the european union, as soon as possible. in a moment, more european and ukrainian news, forecasts and analytics, in particular about... the rule that when i come to ukraine, to kyiv, in addition to the conversations that take place in the capital, i try to go somewhere, meet new people, see own eyes, how it looks... i wanted to see how kharkiv functions in this huge tension of pressure from the russians, who are trying at any cost to approach the city

and intimidate kharkiv residents, and i will tell you, kharkiv makes a huge positive impression on those kharkiv residents who are listening to us now, i i would like to say that i left kharkiv simply delighted. and from how the city works and functions despite the attacks of the russian federation. i met a lot of people who left the districts near kharkiv and came to the city, to hostels. i wanted to see which ones there are conditions to present these data at various european forums. we have our own forums in the eu where our activities are coordinated. i prepared first-hand polish information, prepared by our council for cooperation with ukraine. what does the fate of ukrainians who were forced to move, for example, from kupyansk to kharkiv look like? great that i was able to visit them yesterday. it is wonderful that i met and talked with veterans living in kharkiv. i am impressed by the kharkiv government, which is coping with this very difficult

period and manages the city very well, because it a large european city that is subjected to daily russian attacks and missile attacks and the first conclusion, perhaps for those who ask. the question of what we are talking about when we talk about ensuring the ability to defend large ukrainian cities, we must give the opportunity to cover the boys and girls on the front lines. we must protect ukraine, this is clearly visible on the example of kharkiv. kharkiv will not develop, it will not change, if it does not have this cover, a sense of elementary security. this is where it is best seen how much important today people are strong, people are persistent, but they... the us government is suspending all open orders for patriot air defense systems and interceptor missiles until ukraine

has sufficient air defenses to defend against russian air attacks, and the skies over ukraine, especially over kharkiv and other large cities. that is the goal, it is definitely our goal, when we talked about it two years ago, everyone said that it was technically impossible, and now we see that the protection of large cities is actually becoming very real, the ukrainian army, and this is not a secret, will soon receive combat aircraft, and will soon have additional capabilities to attack the entire territory of russia, all three elements will work, i will list them now, we were recently at a conference in berlin, where they talked about investments, i asked myself how investments should look if investors do not feel safe coming to kharkiv, kyiv or odesa. of course, kyiv is particularly protected, but there is never a 100% guarantee. this means that basic security must be ensured on several levels. protection of cities from missiles,

aviation in the hands of the ukrainian side, so that it is possible to effectively threaten various russian targets, defense and artillery on the front line. i emphasize the importance of being able to attack strategic targets from the russian side, this will create a completely new strategic situation for ukraine and this is a real goal today. and what you're talking about, that is, the decision of the united states, because this technology is largely in the hands of america, they are bringing it closer. well, a little about numbers. a little about numbers. we we see that in january the nato coalition ordered a thousand missiles for patriot systems. for example, poland is among the european countries that have open orders for not yet delivered patriots. however, everyone. this year, according to the results of russia's attacks on ukraine, the aggressor used about 8 thousand missiles,

so as of now it is probably about 10 thousand, where to get so many missiles for the patriot systems? first of all, this is such a detailed question for military experts, i don't want to get into it too much, since i still have, well, a slightly different line of work, but i i think there is one basic piece of information: russian missiles are not that effective. we need to focus on building an effective defense over the next one, two or three years, that's what is being talked about more and more in the west these days. it is known that the russians have some advantages, but it is also clear today, when we look at the actual battlefield, that there is no sign that the russians will be able to, for example, break through the front line. three months ago they talked about the fact that they were afraid that the russians would break through the front, they did not succeed, sometimes the numbers do not show

correct picture, when we simply compare, there are still many different opportunities, and ukraine has or should have these opportunities. i have already said, the protection of cities, attention to the front line, the appropriate amount of ammunition, the ability to hit targets from the russian side, if several of these conditions are present.' the main names in the future european leadership, the cooperation between moscow and pyongyang and the possible next peace summit, and now let's focus on the important topic of the future leadership of nato. the prime minister of the netherlands, mark ludte, will become a new one secretary general of nato, as the politician writes. probably the new secretary general will be elected at the summit of the alliance in washington in the first half

of july. how important is this news? the final appointment of rutte has not been confirmed , there will still be discussions about it, as with every issue until the last moment, but he is actually a serious candidate. among the western leaders after february 24, 2022, rutti was one. from those who quickly realized that things were serious. therefore, i would characterize him as a person who understands the security problems of central europe. of course, he was not the first to react after february 24, because we will remind you that then poland, lithuania and great britain, a military group of countries, were the first to react. alete was among those who quickly joined, and in some matters, such as the delivery of the f-16 was. in the vanguard, i also believe that he is a strategically thinking

politician, very effective politically, i like him. as a liberal centrist politician, he was able to hold power in the netherlands for many years and was able to do so effectively while also fighting populists, and therefore he belongs to a narrow group of politicians who... here i am talking not only about the context of the russian-ukrainian war, but also about an important context for poland, because ludte will be a politician who will face the problem of nato expansion. there is little chance today that any major decisions on nato expansion will be announced at the summit in washington in a few weeks.

these threats are much smaller, so i perceive him as a politician who can sometimes change his position and is able to accept arguments. this was noticeable every time during the elections in the netherlands, when he managed to adapt his views also to his own. opponents, of course, some will say that this is instrumentalism, because he wanted to get the votes of their supporters, but on the other hand, it also means that he accepted certain arguments, now strategically he has to accept the arguments that nato expansion makes sense, because we evaluate his activity is precisely from this point of view. we, as poles, and you, as ukrainians, must

evaluate this decision from this point of view. i hope that the rate that will be open to there will be a nato summit. even higher, it is implied that ukraine needs more than just assurances that one day nato will expand. from my point of view, i would like to get as many details as possible. i talked about this with a group of veterans in kharkiv the other day. i have seen people give their lives for this cause. it's an emotional argument, but it's actually very clear, because on the one hand, there's emotion, but on the other hand, we 're talking about the fact that...someone actually lost their loved ones, lost their life, lost their leg , lost their sight, these are all the consequences, in this political the most important thing in the war game is to achieve the security effect, security today means the expansion of nato, and this is the task for mark rutte. i would like him to understand this, as a western

politician, i hope he will. i can see how with each election he could a little bit... adjust his views and change them, i hope it will be the same in this case. i am thinking about what impression mark rutte made on me, because i spoke with him once, it took place at the conference on the reconstruction of ukraine in berlin on june 15, and i was witnessed how he communicated with the president. we will help, i believe in the victory of ukraine, in a free europe. rüdte made an impression on me as an extrovert, an optimist who laughs loudly,

and when he appears somewhere, he immediately takes up a lot of space. who has seen him in situations where he could not clearly express his position. here, for example, was the situation during the last conference in munich, when he spoke at first in the way we would like, but then when he was asked a clear question about the expansion of nato, i saw how he hid. of course, it is clear that he probably wanted to get the votes of different nato members, who is in favor and who is against, but i like to give politicians tasks, and for me rutte's task is to prepare for enlargement. if he wants to lead today.

prisms, in politics it is important how you build your arguments, ryut will probably take up much more space than his position documents, because formally everything is as you said. and of course, everything is decided by the member states, and the secretary general, one might say, does not decide anything. someone could to say that this will also be true, but not completely. personality and previous achievements

play a huge role in rutte's case. his achievements so far, the stable political situation in his own country, which testifies to his leadership abilities. they demonstrate that he can not only be effective, but also play long distances.

the story of the transformation of poland, the czech republic and slovakia, the baltic states, into full members. they were nato members before that, for example, they did not have the right to all possible military facilities. predecessors of stoltenberg and

he also initially felt bound by the founding act between nato and russia in 1997, the famous, perhaps forgotten agreements, quite old history. at the beginning, stoltenberg and he also had an agreement. formally did not come out of it, but actually led to the fact that today countries like poland are 100% nato members. today, no one can say that some troops cannot be stationed on the territory of poland, if poland needs it, if our security interests demand it, then everyone admits it. likewise, when it comes to about various types of military equipment, today it is clear to everyone.

i would also like to tell you what i did in kyiv. let's say a few words about this at the end of our program, and we will talk about the eu summit next week. so, first i was in kharkiv, now i'm in lviv, but i was also in kyiv, this trip was very important, because here we are talking about things like a new breath in polish-ukrainian relations, and we need to talk about it in our the program there was one day this week when a delegation was in kyiv at the same time speaker the visit of the ministers of european affairs and the economic forum and the fourth was probably worth talking about separately. minister shlapka was on our side, and there was also a minister, his counterpart, but from

germany. then everyone went together to... kishenev, there was a day when four high-ranking foreign delegations met in kyiv, all of them had a very tight meeting schedule, it seems that kyiv was a kind of polish-ukrainian hive this week, and it also shows that now these problems are over about which we constantly talk, these blockades, these problems that have existed since the beginning of the year, you can see that everything has returned to normal life, i had the opportunity to talk with vice prime minister veryschuk, the minister. by the deputy minister of foreign affairs, who simply says: listen, we now have

to do it together. this is work, not diplomatic talks like we sometimes see in the movies, these are very specific plans where we say, this year, let's plan this and that, and then we'll get to this, we have these problems here, let's to decide, me too i see that vice prime minister veryschuk has enough power in her hands today to understand, for example, that in economic matters polish-ukrainian cooperation will be... one of the driving forces in the future. you know, i have studied history a lot in my life, i love history and i believe that historical issues should also be discussed, i like to discuss complex topics. it is known that the anniversary of volyn is approaching, but i also know that we need politicians who, in addition to dealing with history and the present,

looked ahead, and here in turn. politician, which knows that if it helps launch, for example, joint polish-ukrainian investments, then in the future it will be a very strong connection, sometimes stronger than various short-term misunderstandings. thank you, more about this next week, pavel koval and maria gurska, about politics about the world on espresso, on youtube, pavel koval and on eu sisters. we have 30 more seconds, please, i just forgot to say this, because i am telling you about my diplomatic visit, and this is important, i also attended a special event of the kyiv security forum, there were arseniy yatsenyuk and volodymyr groysman, two ex-prime ministers whom i also had the opportunity to see, but this is not even about them, this is just a brilliant conversation with young people in an underground parking lot in the basement of a hotel, although it may seem strange in poland, this needs

to be explained because... it looks like some kind of creative idea that someone organizes meetings on european affairs and we talk about eu enlargement in a hotel parking lot. i thought how cool and original, and after a while i realized, my god, it's just because it is safely. most often, all major ukrainian diplomatic meetings take place in such safe places as, for example, underground parking lots. this is the exoticism of our wartime, and for many it is commonplace.