with north korean missiles, about how ineffective they are. well, it becomes quite clear that putin's visit, and in general these contacts between putin and kimchin-in, their main purpose, to be more precise, is still a weapon, at least for putin. could there be such an option that, for example, russia will place certain production facilities on the territory of north korea in order to, let's say, produce. weapons there, use relatively cheap labor, north korean, yes, and some, by the way, for that matter russian propagandists there dreamed that north korea would already take and send part of the troops to ukraine to fight for russia, well, i won’t ask that, because it’s such a pretty, pretty ridiculous assumption, but still, regarding weapons, regarding possible production capacity, is such an option possible? well, they supply weapons and

maybe they create some joint enterprises, it is possible, but well, i personally do not believe very much in the effectiveness of such cooperation, and the maximum that korea can give is north korea - it is what it produces in large quantities, and therefore any joint venture there, any production, new production, it... takes a lot of time, even the transfer of technology, well, north korea has a sufficiently large, sufficiently large range of weapons, starting there from firearms weapons to missiles and nuclear weapons in the end, well, it makes no sense to at least start such a cycle, but within the framework of these agreements, of course, there may be similar ones. positions, i am more than certain that they

sounded, and quite importantly, that they want to bring koreans and vietnamese to their factories again, as was the case at the end of the soviet union, i remember the vietnamese who worked at the mill, so they put stools in order to get them to the machine, and tell me, mr. igor, putin may still have a very limited range of opportunities when we talk about his trips, because he himself went to pyongyang, to khakhanoy, but for how many months we have been hearing that he has to go to ankara, p "yeah, and something he doesn't go and doesn't go, well , and tehran, tehran, i think that here they are, they've been talking about a comprehensive agreement on cooperation and essentially a military alliance with tehran, well, obviously , after the election of a new president, things will move from place to place, and obviously there in august we can see his visit to tehran. but this, if there is no big war

in the middle east, well, here in the context of this, in fact, we have already approached the elections in iran, it is clear that a small number of candidates were admitted there, if i am not mistaken, six, yes, eight, eight, eight , thanks for clarifying to what extent this policy of iran can at least be adjusted in relation to russia? at least according to those statements, perhaps, or some actions, of the current candidates and the potential president, as far as i understand, the speaker, and the parliament of iran, in relation to russia, could there be some kind of adjustment, or will we continue to observe this rather broad cooperation? well, i think that the train will most likely move forward after all. that is, most likely, the iranian

leadership of alikhmenei is favorable to signing such an agreement, ah, and a lot will depend on him, if we are talking about the future president, then we remember about the thing is that this is the executive power, and we remember that the level of his, let's say, decision-making independence is quite small, if you talk about ... the speaker of the parliament, who is considered as the most likely, and he is the former mayor of tehran, as a likely contender for this position, then he is a moderate conservative, that is, he has at least some more rivets in his head, that is, he will quite possibly take a more cautious position, and this story is more about the actual war in the middle east, possibly involving irang directly. in this war, but if

we are talking about russia, then i think that they are eager to sign such an agreement, and it is unlikely that anything will change here, well... in principle, do you think that iran is now interested in such an alliance with russia, rather than the alliance that signed by north korea, well, after all , these articles of the agreement between the russian federation and the dprk, which we see, they duplicate the old soviet-north korean agreement, which was signed, it seems to me that after the korean war and never really acted and the parties from it was rejected, i think in 2006, when it had already expired, and they just... russia has never had anything like this in its life, no, it never happened, it never happened, but it is interesting, it is just interesting, because it is what many people are talking about , that russia is leading a new big game, and in the middle east, this is of course an exaggeration, because the british

big game is unlikely to pull such a game, but iran, it has always been a place of attraction for russia, well, after all. no one has changed their desire to build a port in the indian ocean, so they want it, and the iranians want it strive, although i agree with the fact that iranians have quite a lot of politicians who have a very negative attitude towards russia, towards russian politics, remembering the history of the 19th, 20th, especially the middle of the 20th century, the attempts of the russians to tear off whole pieces of iranian territories and the like, however now, if you look at their strategic culture, they want allies close to their borders, and russia is just a desirable ally for them as of now. but if we

are talking about the upcoming meeting between putin and erdogan, as far as i understand, it will be a few days away in weeks, such a meeting should take place in astana, there... ukraine will be discussed, of course, but certain financial and economic issues will also be discussed there, the construction of this hub there, supposedly on the territory of turkey, as far as these negotiations, in general, can to invest in putin's promotion of his agenda now, well , in particular, in the context of recent visits and recent statements, well, i... i think that in khin yang and in hanoi, putin said quite a lot that, in principle, should have happened, there will be little negative perceived in turkey, and turkey signed the declaration, well, the final,

the final declaration of the peace summit, and turkey declares the territorial integrity of ukraine, based on what putin said, well, this... there are hardly any topics around which, especially when it concerns ukraine, the parties will meet at some somewhere in the middle, and although, of course, there will be many words, there will be many speeches, there will be calls from turkey to stop the war, to return to the negotiating table and the like, this is what we have repeatedly heard from erdogan, regarding the economic aspects, well here... there are indeed nuances, because turkey, as we know, is seriously dependent on russian money, on russian gas and russian investments, including those big projects implemented by erdogan, the

same nuclear power plant, and there are a lot of problems in turkey around this, and it can... become the subject of actual negotiations on the side of angra. but the question here is that the impression is that putin has recently become openly offended by erdogan. you heard all his lines in st. petersburg at the international economic forum, did he not speak in such, i would say, insulted tones about erdogan's turkey before? well, he's been around lately, i think he's lost his senses. caution, i would say so, that is , he begins to say quite a lot, well, such things that would not have occurred to him a few years ago, and this actually indicates a possible

understanding of that, or the signals that he gives to his allies, that why don't you hold on to me because i will not back down, i will press and bend my line. and this is the key it seems that the key or the key message that he sends, everything else is an insult and everything else, this mine has been heard from him more than once. that is, we can state that putin went to abank to a certain extent, even conditionally speaking, at the expense of certain interests with traditional partners of the russian federation, because we really see that his statements have become significantly radicalized, and they may not be liked not only conditionally saying, we there or the civilized world, yes, and those closest to him may not like them either. well, we specifically talked about turkey here, but in fact, we can talk about other

middle eastern countries here. yes, it is not a good life for putin. and it seems to me that the visit to north korea is this watershed, because he has already crossed a certain line, well, relatively speaking, of political decency, and there is nowhere for him to go. to join, he is just moving now in this direction, but it is obvious that there is nothing good ahead of him, well , the reaction of south korea shows this, well, this is the direction of self-isolation, because again, when he came to north korea 24 years ago, he was already there as a representative of the, i would say civilized world, but you can't negotiate with a chinese, but i will negotiate what you want from him, do you remember from kimchinin's father, kimchinin demanded in principle to agree to the conditions that

the united states put forward at that time, and even talked about it, but nothing came of it, by the way, i must say that he failed in pyongyang then, as he did later failed trump, in his meetings with kim jong-un, both of them for some reason, they believed that they could convince these people, this family, of something, but this was putin of 24 years old, i would say, pour, pour, it's still like that. unlike putin, putin came to bow to him, not the other way around. thank you, mr. igor, and igorolo. the director of the center for middle eastern studies, was on the live broadcast of the saturday political club on the espresso channel, and in

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the success with which it could be crowned, or at least what... putin was thinking to himself there, after all, why did he do it, why did he do it, why did he go there, well, my point of view is that get weapons, that is, if he gets weapons there, gets them in the quantities in which he needs them, to some extent for him, in his isolation, this is already, as they say, a big plus, yes, if we are talking about some externally political. the activity of russia, here , of course, is most likely a minus, here is your opinion, what are the positives from this, from this visit, and the second question, which for putin, and what threats does it pose for ukraine, well, i think that on the issue of obtaining weapons, it is not necessary to make a state visit, because

despite the fact that we say that kimchanin wanted to see him there, but a kimchen wants to sell these weapons, one must... understand the situation of the north korean economy, the north korean economy as such does not exist and has never existed, because all these people and kimersen, and kimchen and kimchen, they are in principles have always been a parasite on china, and they generally tried to always get from everyone money and not to promise anything to anyone, ugh, and that is why the attitude towards them was always enough... even the soviet union, according to the terminology of the international department of the central committee of the cpsu, they were not even part of the socialist camp, you know that, they were not part of the socialist camp, they were part of the socialist commonwealth, it was such a term for countries that were neither there nor here, well, another part of the socialist commonwealth was yugoslavia, but it had a completely

independent foreign policy basket, they did not were members of the council of mutual economic assistance, were observers such as finland, yugoslavia was in close relations with this council, that is, in fact, they were always very sharp, and the fact that putin has to get so close to him now, it says that he has serious intentions. so, the first thing is weapons, so the kimchan is now constantly, it can be seen from the reports of the central telegraph agency of korea, from the publications in noton sinmon, he constantly goes to the defense of the enterprise, he watches what is happening there. this is huge for him economic chance, well imagine, he is the leader of a country that is 90% dependent on china, what china wants, what it gives, does not want, does not give, will not give anything at all, there will be hunger, they will eat grass, ugh, here is the situation, when he can get his own money for his own products, russian money, i mean, so he will still produce these weapons, because this is an incredible economic opportunity for him, he

just got lucky with this attack on ukraine, uh, once, but this is not for putin. it is only necessary, so why is putin signing this at all treaty and returns this article on mutual defense, in general there is a treaty between the russian federation and the democratic people's republic of korea, it is valid, it was signed after 2006, when the soviet-north korean treaty would have ended. why was there no strategic partnership and promises to defend and protect the north in this treaty. korea, why does putin need this article to tell the kim people that if he has a conflict with south korea, russia will protect him, she will come to his aid, and russia will protect him will protect, well, at least she can apply the right to the un security council, i'm sorry, she has things, real possibilities of influence, she can give him the equipment that he does not have,

well, shells for shells, but planes, uh, but high technologies, drone you see, all this russia really needs from him is utilitarian soviet shells, and he needs much more from russia, because south korea has a modern army, and if putin assures him of this, then it is important for him, that is not the question here andrew will putin protect him or not, here the question is that putin wants to provoke him into a possible war, but look how beautiful the disposition looks, the war in ukraine, the war in... the middle east and they have already started talking less about ukraine, imagine that the war has started on the korean peninsula, there will be less talk about the middle east because american troops will be there. directly involved, this is not a war in the middle east for you, where the americans are some kind of tomboys to the shores before the war, these are american soldiers in south korea, withdraw them or strengthen them

contingent, what to do, this is an existential challenge for the united states, it’s not these wars that are going on now, it means that ukraine has been forgotten even more, the truth is, ugh, well, that is, he is leaving, he uses two tactics, salami tactics in relation to us and the tactics of small cuts on one. not to the west, so that the blood flows out, so to speak, in such strips of it, but we can assume that in putin's plans, well, at least it could be plans for such a conflict to take place before the presidential elections in the usa, well, we have to try, that is we understand that this is an ideal option for him, of course, because then biden will almost certainly lose the election, although, as you know, around the american president who is leading. a real war, where there are american interests, i am fighting the american army, can the nation be united, it is risky, this

is not a war in ukraine, where it is about money, and not a war in the middle east, which splits society, on which the americans will split in war on the korean peninsula, if a kimchi attacks south korea, there will be a consensus here, and a consensus, and not only from the side of society, and from the side of political elites, of course. we saw about this studio, we sat and saw how there is a certain split between democrats and republicans, even on many issues, including in the middle east, and here it will most likely not be there, trump will say that he would agree with by what act , you know why, if i were the president, i would try to come to an agreement with him, i would come to an agreement with him, he would not arrange such a thing, but when i was the president, he did not arrange it, by the way , trump, one of the few presidents who met with... i mean, he's one of the few, so basically trump, why putin, and you mean

the president, i think, of the presidents of the united states, so i mean former president jimmy carter met with one of the few, therefore, in essence, well, this is also an indicator, well, by the way, it was a huge mistake, i think, that he started dating this person himself. who , by and large, is not the head of the state, but we have to understand that, she is such a pushylin or a beekeeper, only of the korean variety, because it's not a real state, it's just an entity in the zone of soviet occupation, like the german democratic republic, they occupied that part of the territory of korea and proclaimed their own regime on that territory, and by the way, now you understand. why didn't they go there? is putin going to pushilin or pushilin? well, it would be amazing with a visit. imagine putin paying

an official visit to, well, not to the ddnr, but to the republic of south ossetia. it looks comical, doesn't it? putin is met in skhinvala. well, that's why soviet leaders never dokirseny did not drive. they did not consider him a real president. they perfectly understood that the real korean president is in tsiul. and it's just a puppet that decided that it's not a puppet, like that, well , of course we're uncomfortable, but what to do with him, so i don't know how far before the actual election process, they can arrange it, because it's very it's a risky game, it's a risky game in general, you see, the kimchi still has nuclear weapons, and if he starts a war. it is not known how they will act the united states, are they going to decide that they just need to destroy it all, uh, just to protect themselves from the use of nuclear weapons in north korea, it's such a very

, very unpleasant story, and another unpleasant story for the world that that putin has stopped restraining the kim people, nevertheless russia, one way or another, before this visit was a part of the international community that supported sanctions against the north korean nuclear program. kept phinyan from further aggressive actions towards the neighbors, all of that it won't happen anymore, russia has largely given him carte blanche, and china, what is its role here? we understand that sijin ping has a huge influence on kimchinin, including. if sijin ping has a different position, let's say, it's hard for me to imagine that kimchin will go to such a position. a huge escalation, except for tacit consent, you know, it's hard to say, i think something is despised by him,

well again in beijing... also the leaders of north korea have always been treated very cautiously, well kimersen was a more serious figure for them , because it was a person which came to power at the same time as mao zedong, but you understand, chinese leaders, they are ideological people, well, realistically, well, of course xi jinping is also the son of a party worker there, but he is absolutely sure that he made his own party career, well, he just well-educated, well-bred as...belongs to a real nomenclature, they generally have this generation of princes there, but they imagine the idea of ​​party rule in china as a family one, that the mautzadun there transfers his power to his son or dengzuoping, they all have children , and they themselves are someone's children, well, nothing like that it happens, they actually created a functioning system of nomenclature of its traditions, and like this family regime, it does not look communist to them, well, it is already, you know,

something wrong for them, and of course, this third leader of the regime, let them they even allowed him to have nuclear weapons, he is simply nobody compared to xizenping, from xizenpin's point of view, xizenpin never went there, he says, incredible dependence on china, and when chinese leaders visited pyongyang at all, they were very rarely there at all, and that there were also such events, and now when did it end. the policy of zero tolerance to the coronavirus, two years have passed since sydzenpin went to samarkand, it was 2022, so it’s already two years, maybe more, he went to samarkand, he went to astana, uh, he went to moscow, to he went to paris, he went to san francisco, i think that this is not all that i

have listed, i can tell you where they went... during this time, the leaders, both leaders of the chinese government, in about two years , the current and previous ones, no one went to kinyan, now the question is how he went where, to vladivostok, and now he is receiving putin, who went to beijing, the deputy minister of foreign affairs of the dprk, and the minister went to moscow, that is, there is also a lot to say about , if such a dependence, as can be with such a dependence on su'. do you think that happens with good relations, but the position is really strange here, we are fine, we understand well that including

china from... engages in the direct supply of a large number of products, it receives them, you see, he gets it, but he can't, but he doesn't get it so that it's better for them to be there than not to have them, because if he doesn't keep them, they'll just disappear, that is, a conditional north korea for china is somewhere on there are equals in quotation marks dpr, lpr, yes transnistria, transnistria, ugh, well, here is a good example, by the way, of such a recognized in transnistria, yes, because the dnr before russia is like that, i mean until accession , of course, and that's why they want relations with russia so much in its current state, because it is north korea and mr. igor that legitimizes them said that he thinks that putin got away with it, i think that he did not agree on anything, neither korea nor vietnam, so how do you agree, he could say that i am going there, but of course, i am your interests, comrade, well , to put it in front of the fact, i will take it into account,

because we are in strategic ug, we are friends, and of course i will do everything in vietnam to reduce their level of dependence on the americans, because it is not beneficial for both of us, well, look, in vietnam and the united states 150 billion annual trade turnover, in vietnam and china 120 billion, and in vietnam and russia, it seems to me four or three, something like that, well there are up to 10, i read the analytics somewhere a few days ago. well, that is, well, that is , in general, that is, he came, he didn’t come, what does it matter, who, who needs you here, of course, he can supply them with weapons, he can speak nice words there, but he is not their partner, and by the way, what kind of work is he doing? well, what is the strategic goal then, we have dealt with north korea, there are several 1, 2, 3, 4,5, what is putin's strategic goal in...