will take into account, because we are in a strategic partnership, we are friends, and of course i will do everything in vietnam to reduce their level of dependence on the americans, because it is not beneficial for both of us, well, look, in vietnam and the united states has an annual trade turnover of 150 billion, vietnam and china 120 billion, and in vietnam russia it seems to me four or three, something like that, well, up to 10. i read the analysis a few days ago, well, that is, i arrived, no i arrived, it doesn't matter who, who needs you here, of course it's him can supply them with weapons, he can speak nice words there, but he is not their partner, and by the way, neither is the kimian, well, what is the strategic goal anyway, we have dealt with north korea, there are several 1, 2, 3 , 4, 5, what is putin's strategic goal in... in vietnam, he

went there for some reason, to play with washington and with beijing, but the vietnamese, the communist party of vietnam, they always had an idea , always, the so -called bamboo diplomacy, it is flexibility, well, once upon a time we also had such a bamboo president, leonid kuchuma, relations with everyone, but multi-vectorism, yes, even when the albanian labor party led by enver hoxha broke up. relations with the soviet union, and with the people's republic of china, the only such country where you could see its delegation, i think, besides cuba, was vietnam, they continued with vietnam, and vietnam continued with them, and that , that vietnam called the soviet union revisionists, the chinese there apostates, this did not prevent the vietnamese from having ties with it even at the party level, you understand, this is such a tactic, so hanoi needs to show this, putin needs to show that he is a player.

because that's all, it's still a concern, look, the americans have already sent an assistant secretary of state, the chinese clearly understand that any arrangement to supply arms to vietnam is not in their interest, they are always trying to stop any arrangement between moscow and hanoi on the supply of weapons, it means that what they will do now, now they will start at an unofficial level, not so that there... summon ambassadors, contact the russian leadership and say you don't maybe, listen, show them what you want to sell, well, let's see, we don't mind you trading with them, they are our friends, but you can look at the nomenclature, or maybe it's the other way around, russia wants to buy something in vietnam , i do not think that the vietnamese are ready to sell, we have already talked about these numbers with you, well imagine, vietnam has a lot of soviet shells, ugh, in north korea and did not dream, you can imagine what kind of army in v 'yetnam, of course. that's why i say that

putin, of course, had it, it would be like a jackpot, next to sour cream, but as soon as at least one a vietnamese shell hits here, the americans say to the vietnamese, sorry, but you and i will not do this, this, this, they and biden agreed on a strategic partnership, they are not about, this is not china, they are just strategic partners of the usa, how will they supply weapons to russia, i think that they... and they are not going to, they can buy weapons from russia, but not give them, but russia itself needs weapons, well, there is a certain the nomenclature that can be sold, it is not all that is needed, there is some technologies that they can sell, but in any case, i think that this is a game on nerves, and plus a diplomatic answer to switzerland, ugh, that we are players here, well, then, listen, and imagine that he just went to north korea, he looked quite funny, right? such a great

statesman of all times and peoples, where he is allowed in pyongyang, as sergei lavrov said, we will now rest in the resorts of north korea, and these even laugh at it, russian comedians on television, they they sing songs there, will we now rest in the resorts of north korea, it causes laughter, even on the state tv channels of russia. so, if putin wants to look like a statesman, he had to ... add something to this visit to north korea, and what is waiting for him? nowhere, well, i don’t, well, i mean in this region, wherever he goes, potentially, which other states of a similar nature can receive putin for a visit, or can we expect any similar visits to the far east or the middle east in the near future countries well, let's start with what countries

can sell him more weapons, none, only north korea and iran, well, some spare parts through third parties, well, spare parts, of course. no, where else can he go in the asia-pacific region, well, there is nothing special there, well, laos from cambodia, well, it is also very conditional, and what will he do there, so to speak, well, that is there he can, if he could, he would have already gone with vietnam, well , somehow they are not very interesting to him and he is not very interested in them. is interested in, well, all other countries, then he can go to india, hardly, that is, in theory he can visit delhi, but it will be a certain tension in the relationship between rent modi and biden, rent modi has just

been invited to a meeting of the group of seven , i don't know, somehow i'm not sure that they will be waiting for him there, well, there will be a visit to... kazakhstan, well kazakhstan, so to speak, it's in two weeks, approximately, or in three, we're already what we said that there would be a meeting there with erdogan and a whole bunch of others, it's just a trip to the highway, this is a trip to the highway, you can’t do without him, so to speak, but you saw that the previous meeting of the highway in the 22nd year was scandalous, he was there on the third plan, the main post there was sidzenpin, huh, what do you think in kazakh who will be the main player at the sco summit? what is this figure? well , probably erdogan, no xizen ping, but he will definitely be xizen pin, then yes, then yes, if, if with him, i just, well, i don't know if he specifically announced his participation, if

his representative will be there, but if he is, then of course it is, because china considers itself the leader, the leader of the shanghai cooperation organization. and he will be there, if putin is there, sidzimpin cannot but be there, and of course, he will again be the main figure in this story, and putin and all the others, and again, if rendra moji also comes there , then it will be the summit of the rivalry on the rendervod with sydzenpin, and putin will simply be among the other leaders of the former soviet republics, just for the letter p, you understand, just for the letter p, and then, that means. after zhaparov, but before rakhmon and tokayev, and but after mirziyoyev, well, he looks like this now, and precisely in this asian, i would say, context, he

looks very very insecure, of course, well, listen, well, how can you compare the level of chinese capabilities in central asia with the level of capabilities putin, well, now that he doesn't even have troops. keep there, it is clear that he needs these countries, even more than he needs them, because they allow to bypass sanctions, make some commodity flows, but if they want, they can stop, so in this regard, another topic is nuclear threats, again, again the same thing came from putin, yes, talks about some red lines, but he says again that he will not be the first to use nuclear weapons, yes, he says it many times... but at least we we observe that such, conditionally speaking, conversations have started again, and another interesting topic, the western press for some reason started talking again about the possibility of a nuclear strike, in particular, there was an emphasis on the west

of our country, by the way, about the same possible nuclear the current head of the national security and defense council spoke of ukraine. some experts are talking about this, but it is less interesting, why is this topic being raised again, why is it coming up again in the western press, referring, by the way, allegedly to british intelligence, so it is by some fate, at least it is probably possible, or is it so , informational regular throws? i think that russia will always blackmail with nuclear weapons, believing that it is better to deal with it in a good way than in a bad way. because from her point of view, it is precisely these threats that she can force the west to abandon its support for ukraine, that is, if you you allow us to shoot at our territory, if you want to inflict a strategic defeat on us, well

, well, what will you do when we use nuclear weapons on them, well, they capitulate, and what will you do, you will all be sold, you will show that you cannot protect anyone. you will show that you have no reputation, then maybe we will decide with this ukraine the way we like, so that we don't have to decide the way we want, but it doesn't work, it didn't work, at least. all this time, that is, we see that these threats no one is seriously reacting anymore, or is reacting because this information has appeared again, well, the information does not mean that the west is changing its position, i understand that the information appears, the west says: well, yes, indeed, we somehow have overdone it, ukraine cannot strike on russian territory under any circumstances, because it will lead to a nuclear war, and we do not know how to respond to a nuclear war, by and large, it is clear that... and that putin's use of nuclear weapons in any form can create serious problems in relations between

russia and the people's republic of china. because we see that all these statements of china, all its visions of how the russian-ukrainian war should end, are always related to nuclear security. and this is one of the main political postulates for china, that it is impossible to use nuclear weapons first. that is, if putin uses nuclear weapons on the territory of ukraine, he will definitely use them. and the question arises in response to such a threat, to what such a threat, why does the topic of nuclear weapons of the ukrainian war arise at all, that is why, if ukraine does not have nuclear weapons, if it does not launch any missile strikes on russian territory at all, and if it can even launch western weapons, then this still cannot be compared to a nuclear strike, for which it is necessary to use nuclear weapons, which according to with the russian doctrine itself , it is used in... in cases of an existential threat to russian statehood, well, this is also

a good question, but could it be that china at some stage, well, let's put it this way, if it does not agree, then at least it will give a silent position on some, some local use of nuclear weapons, tactical, i think the chinese will... always be against that because they will think that if russia can use nuclear weapons tactically, local, uh, why can't the united states states against, say, the chinese navy in the taiwan protectorate, local, local, if that's how it works, not as a deterrent weapon, but as a real -life weapon, the chinese will never believe that the americans can't do it after the russians, i think it's and there is their main one problem, and that's why they, by the way, are building up their own... potential, because people always think about the intentions of others in the way they

did in this situation, so the chinese are absolutely sure, this is the essence of the problem, that they can use nuclear weapons , in the answer, everyone else should do it too, because if russia uses this weapon first, the chinese may face a situation when other countries can also use this weapon first, and by the way, not only that. united states, i want to remind you about the competition between china and india, india is also actually a nuclear power, i don't know why china is such a mess, well, at least for modern china, china that does not want a nuclear war. so i don't think china will accept it. another thing is that i don't believe andriy at all that putin and china agree on something like that. i advise all the time not to ... exaggerate chinese influence over russia, just as i advise against exaggerating chinese influence over north korea. china

undoubtedly has serious influence on both russia and north korea, and can influence certain of their decisions, but it cannot dictate. in authoritarian regimes, relations do not work like that, they work from the point of view of mutual benefit, but there can be completely different interests. and it's just in the situation with nuclear weapons. putin can understand that this will have political and economic consequences, and not that china will tell him not to apply. he may fear the consequences. if we approach the fact that putin has recently, as they say, broken off the chains, we see him making such statements that he would not have made even a year ago, in 2022, even in 2023 , we see how much... already even is ready to lower himself to the level of kimchin,

well, vabank actually goes, understanding that the western civilized world, the western conditional, conditional civilized part of our world already chooses full support for ukraine, and not as it was there in 2022 or 2023, but still, if i consider... nuclear weapons can be used locally, as we say in ukraine, well, i say again, i don't see it. that so far, putin is breaking free from some chains. in any case, putin always considers the consequences of his actions. and if he knows what i am, what advancing nuclear weapons creates a situation of strategic uncertainty both in relations with the united states and in relations with china, then this is a risky move. ugh. besides, no one can say why putin would use nuclear weapons anyway? what

has putin lost now compared to last year's position that he has nuclear weapons. used, no, well, in fact, now he acquired, for the last there, well, minimally, but acquired, for the end of the 23rd, if he is counting on a multi-year war of attrition, then nuclear weapons do not contribute to this long-term war, it creates a completely new level of global escalation with an unpredictable result, you can say that putin is tired of waiting there, but i don't see such great fatigue, on the contrary, he is taking managerial steps there, he appoints an economist as the minister of defense, he goes to... . to agree on new volumes of weapons, on the new situation on the korean island, he is simply working on what he believes should be his success, and nuclear weapons are in themselves a demonstration of the lack of faith in success. i imagine that he is just tired of waiting so long, it's true, because he hardly thought it would take this long, but

the way out of this situation could be not only to use nuclear weapons, but also to try to stop the war, that's it, it's a less risky option . and by the way, that is why he puts forward all these schizophrenic conditions, and by the way, the white house once again says that the usa is not conducting any secret negotiations between them and the russian federation, that is how such statements sound, because certain politicians and certain the media is starting to talk what, listen, some negotiations are possible and are being conducted, the white house in this way... actually justifies whether such backroom negotiations can be conducted, at least in order to either freeze the war in ukraine or somehow keep it within the framework until the date of the presidential elections in the usa, is it just chatter and no one

is conducting any negotiations and is not going to conduct them yet, i can answer very simply... at the level of the administration of the president of the united states, the administration of the president of russia , there are no consultations, at the level of the special services there are consultations, in this is absolutely sure, i can say that i know about some consultations, but that would be a strange statement, right? and i'm just telling you that from the point of view of the very mathematics of the political process in general, there cannot be contacts between the special services of nuclear states, and what these contacts are about, as a rule, about anything, it is the very situation with the war and the threats that... that are mediated in connection with this war, and the views of the parties on these threats, they may be opposite, but it is important to express them, it is a terrorist danger in the united states and russia still there are still quite a few areas where they act together, there is an islamic state yes, and if you can't maintain

inter-state contacts, but you recognize that all these things threaten both of your ... states that are in a state of struggle, then why can't you talk to them? the united states talks in the morning, we know about it, they hold closed consultations, how russia is worse than iran, it’s the same thing, but it’s not intergovernmental contacts, you know, it’s not the kind of contact where even secret meetings there is some sullivan with some, i don't know, ushakov, no, it could be some person at the level of, let's say... the former head of the russian special service, maybe the current one, not the fsb, i'm the foreign intelligence service or some other person who is not the first person in the game, and she meets either with the former head of the american intelligence services, or with an active one, but not at the highest level, that is, if there is a dialogue at

the level of ben snarishin, it is reported, but there may not be dialogues with. a person who is a member of the security council of the russian federation, but who has access to putin's body and is an influential figure in the russian nomenclature, this can be, moreover, it cannot be otherwise, the united states and russia cannot be without contact at all, but this is not exactly a negotiation, i say again, participants in such meetings, they do not mean that they will agree on something, they exchange positions, and when there is ... such an exchange of positions, then the parties may simply eventually reach a point where it becomes clear to them that there can be negotiations . consultations, let's say, that one is closed mechanism, then, if suddenly something coincides,

a consultation mechanism takes place here at the level of benz naryshkin, if there is some progress at the level of benz naryshkin, then a meeting at the level of saliva nushakov is possible, and if at the level of sali vanushakov there is some more or less realistic exchange . positions, then a more serious negotiation process begins, but in order for this more serious negotiation process to begin, it is necessary that all these three stages be passed, like a staircase, and if all this is not there in the month of june, then i will not i understand where the mechanism is for this to happen before november, this means that russia is not interested in such a process until november, and that it will continue to hold the pro... process at the first steps until november. by the way, about november and about one of the candidates for the post of president of the united states of america, trump has recently

said various things both behind the scenes and publicly, in particular, he said that if biden had directly stated that ukraine would not join nato, if there was a similar form, then in this case... there is no war it began, yes, that is, again, as they say, for fish money, again the same theses, also, last week, there was a certain backstage conversation of trump with representatives of the republican party, where he also made certain ambiguous statements that for it is not clear to him where the money is going, why to allocate such amount of funds to ukraine, and that zelensky every time he comes to... to the usa, he goes, as they say, with these suitcases, 60 billion dollars, well, that's right, but these statements

of trump are another , although he allegedly maintains his position in recent times, he allegedly corrected, allegedly he already said that ukraine should be supported anyway, allegedly his man, mr. johnson, the speaker of the house of representatives, is already directly talking about the fact that there is a need to... and so on. it seems that trump is jumping back and forth from one position to another. what are these statements? and whether these statements are really threatening for ukraine in the context of the fact that he becomes the president of the united states of america. look, donald trump is a chaotic man, right here you won't do anything yes yes. and i do not believe that he can develop any real line of perception of the russian-ukrainian conflict in general from the point of view of his psychotype.

however, i think that when he says that if ukraine had not been in nato, there would not have been this war, it largely reflects what he wants to say for those who ask him how he should decide this problem. this is his political program, he will promise vladimir putin that ukraine will not be in nato, a good recipe, and then putin will immediately calm down, especially since he wants it himself. ugh. but this is another illusion, because i always try to explain that ukraine's accession to nato was not a reason, but a pretext for russian aggression. well, it's not only trump who is talking, it's various pro-disputes like aristovych who are saying that because we wrote into the constitution that we joined nato, russia attacked us, remember, he

talked about this in some magazine, in the 22nd year, then she let him go when he decided that he should be a popular ukrainian politician, and now when he escaped and apparently is being used by certain forces to spread russian narratives in our information space, he again returned to this thesis. but we must say clearly, once and for all. russia attacked ukraine not at all because ukraine wanted to become a member of nato, but because the possibility of ukraine joining nato could prevent russia from fulfilling its main, such a main task: the elimination of ukrainian statehood, that is, it is not a question of joining ukraine's accession to nato is threatened. interest of russia, how about that says donald trump or aristovych, that ukraine's accession to nato. enables

the liquidation of ukrainian statehood and the expulsion from ukraine of most of those people who are now near these television screens, because if ukraine is in nato, it means that the ukrainian state will exist, and these people who watch us will not be expelled, killed, raped and robbed, which is the great political goal of the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin, the armed forces of the russian federation and the god-bearing russian people, is that they desire, long for, what this land needs. they want to live here, they need us out of here, and they would be willing to pay tens of thousands of lives, if not hundreds, of their own countrymen to accomplish that goal, but if we join nato, they will have to enter into a real nuclear conflict , to pay with millions of lives, maybe tens of millions there, destroyed by moscow and st. petersburg, which is turning into a nuclear wasteland, and they don’t want that, they want to be turned into a nuclear wasteland

other cities, everything is simple. pragmatic goal, therefore, if someone wants to promise putin that ukraine will not be a member of nato, to say a, then he needs to say b. then they should admit that ukraine should not become an integral part of the russian federation, close the topic, agree with the concept of limited former soviet republics with the appearance on the political map of the world of the russian federation from uzhhorod to ashkhab. and if someone is ready to say this to putin and ensure the possibility of such a development of events, then let him say it frankly, yes does not bother himself and us, but it is clear that no one will say this openly, of course, and that is why it is impossible at all, because you cannot trade with other territories and peoples, you can simply lead to the fact that in the post-soviet space , once again rivers of blood will flow from uzhhorod, and it will be possible

to bathe in blood here. the scale of destruction, wars, conflicts, acts of sabotage against the occupiers on the territory of various former soviet republics, which will be deprived of sovereignty, will be of such a level that russians will die in droves and will simply become a target for destruction, they will simply be killed everywhere they see, where they will put their dirty feet in their unwashed boots, and the people of these countries will be overflowing. and it will all be on the conscience of people like donald trump, they will not wash their dirty hands of our blood, no potomac will help even mississippi, but if we come to this, then after all, such an option is really possible. that under the presidency of a hypothetical donald trump, there will be politics

his administration regarding. well, at least it’s time for a more concrete public non-accession of ukraine to agree on this with putin, there may be such an attempt, but it will turn out that putin doesn’t need this, you can’t promise this to a person who uses something as an excuse, you understand, well, it’s like a child who wants you to give her candy, actually wants you to buy a dog, you are not going to buy a dog... you can give a box of chocolates, you don't want a dog in the house, and hysteria begins, and trump will see this one hysteria, and it will be such a hysteria with such crises and with such, i would say, the creation of new threats that he will almost see this trump, he will be flabbergasted for the entire time of his presidency, if he is taken, so i will run around the cabinet in to the white house and think what an idiot he is who climbed here again,

because the ground under his feet will be ho... speak from putin's stupidity, you don't need to provoke crazy people, you will find yourself in their situation later. glory to ukraine, dear tv viewers, on the tv channel, studio zahid program, we will analyze the most important events. and this week, in particular, we will talk about the results of the swiss summit and analyze putin's visit to his henchman kim jong-un in north korea. our guests today are the former minister of defense of poland, the chairman of the senate committee on european integration, bohdan klich, as well as the figure of the russian opposition on emigration, the former deputy of the state duma, mark fegin. an extremely important conversation is currently on the air of the tv channel. our guest is bohdan klich.