in support of the party and the government, but here the text of the letter clearly spoke about the need for reconciliation, appeasement, and to hand over, that is, this same donbas and in general to hand over everything to them, just so that there would be no war, and she stubbornly repeated that this was her personal opinion, well, that is, it was heard that she was chasing the teacher, and well, this is also a symptom for me, you know. well, that's how the work went in this direction, and these waves of them, they are rocking them time and time again, these are the same, which means that there are some informational spills, these are these trends, these are all the scenarios that in the principles have not changed all these 10 years, what about 10-20, yes, in fact, by and large, the information war, after 2004, it began in such a full measure. yes, yes

, here, yes, yes, yes, yes, i would, i would not be particularly concerned about it, as some kind of, so, a new, new dangerous reality, but there is such a trend, well, so, that is, we have to deal with it the work of people who speak russian on the streets, because there are people for whom russian is the language of everyday life, i mean exclusively people who impressions are afraid to lose their position, because their whole position in the culture is there, someone with... proclaims himself a philosopher, someone else, it is based on the fact that they are trying to take place in this strange, i would say world, because russia it is already foreign to them, they already believe that they cannot be a part of the russian microcosm, the ukrainian language and culture, well, they still can’t evoke it in them, i’m sorry, there already there they have already shooed their own not of such quality and not such a bottle, well and ... i would say they are ukrainian culture

also cannot happen, what in ukrainian civilization, because they simply treat it with contempt, this does not mean that people do not know the ukrainian language, they can know, they are left with this small island of life, which means russian-speaking ukraine, and it is necessary save for them, you understand, not for the people on the street, for them, for all these respectable people, politicians, philosophers, i don't know, writers, here you go again, again you and i... we return to our unfinished dialogue, as that restaurant was called, glek, yes, yes, where we discussed this epic battle of yours with latin, by the way, i apologize, i never watched it, because you already know everything there, what could be known there, i know, i know, because a lot of people told me about it , it's true , abram, they called you on the pole, so you told it, so you also added some accents. er, as an insider, whom the public

did not notice or notice, so after your accents, by the way, i forgave you, so to speak, for going there, because, you remember, the conversation started with i mean, what is the point, i apologize, of talking to russians, asking about ukrainian culture, as they say, it would be boring for me, but, well, i understand that, well, it is obviously a subject of your interest somewhere. and professional and, well, maybe personal, well, of your interest , journalist vitaly portnikov, after all, there is somewhere this target audience of postrsru with a rather wide reach, and here somehow volens nolens, you used a good word island. "the sea has gone,

the sticks are left, well, that's what i'm talking about, you know, once again the audience when the audience post-soviet is so broad, it is not an audience of russian-speaking ukrainians, you see, i do not operate on this at all, because i believe that ukrainians can understand me in ukrainian, any who speak russian, who speak ukrainian, no, here it is faster even, here it is faster it's even more interesting to talk about it your ap'. here we are, i say, why are we returning to the same conversation, that this is what you should be doing, the de-russification of soviet jewry in the spaces from vilnius to israel, and it seems to me that it is already de-racialized, at least in the former to the soviet union, well, but no, well , that means, as i understand this whole meeting convened by feigin, when he said that we are all jews here, and the latin woman insisted that

she was not, that's what just falls somewhere under this same paradigm of an island, and here i am involuntarily reminded of, pardon the disintegration of... the previous russian empire, i am reminded of jabotinsky's excellent journalism, remember, well, it's just a doll, what he writes about, warning, addressing the jewish audience itself, the jewry of the russian empire, and warning against assimilationism and warning, there are these very comical episodes, that there is the anniversary of komiserzhevskaya in odessa, yes , in the 18th year, where there was not one. a russian and where only the jews themselves defended, defended this very russian culture, as he says, the russian of moses' law, and he says that it is terribly comical, so this is the situation when, when they insist on, and on the other hand, what it was heartwarming for them to learn now, well, instead of komisarzhevsk

, switch to zankovetska and saksaganskogo , no, they could still switch to hebrew, so that ocsynsky called for this, he was a zionist, absolutely fair. it was just his, it was his argumentation, why the jews have, should stick to their own and not change, i apologize, so every time the identity with the change of the empire or the change of the new master in the house, as he, as he said, so and so here ee here are these islands, so, as you say, here is this russian-speaking, that is... people whose only identity, who have no other, did not have, so, let's put it this way, they did not have another identity, and it was not possible to switch to jewish they can, it is lost, even when they are jews, apart from the soviet, soviet,

russian-speaking identity of the soviet intelligentsia, which apparently does not have... there are ethnic roots, what are russian ethnic roots, yes, well, it is possible, it is possible to create russian culture and it is great to create a russian culture without any russian ethnic ethnic roots, because the russian ethnos is actually quite a phantom entity, that's why, but a ukrainian, everything is fine with a ukrainian, so with jews too, you see, it's all very interesting, what we are about we talked with you and that is not bad. how much time do we really have on this topic, right? because this is actually a very interesting topic, when i told you back then, give me back my ukrainian jews, right? so the process just started, that's it oh, it started, i would say more like after or even after the 14th year actively, especially i would

say after the 22nd because after the 14th year it obviously started there in the center to the west , but it always coincides, by the way, i have been talking about this since the 90s with ukrainian nation-building processes, if from... if ukrainians do not hold on to sovietism , representatives of any other national minorities stop holding on to it, in order for this to happen, the majority needs to become different, so it is necessary to start not with the jews, but with the ukrainians, let's go back to ukraine again, and you to me are you throwing the ball over, yes or no, you don't need to start with the ukrainians, the ukrainians have already started and are fighting back quite well, you know, for the 11th year already, they have been fighting back quite well not with words, but with weapons, answering the question that zahubatynskyi asked struly , by the way, in this one to the public a hundred years ago , mr. struve said, the point is, the point

is not that there should be a single language for a single nation, the point is whether ukrainians will want to be a single nation with you, so far they are not answering this question no... he writes a strange answer back in the 16th or 14th or 1914 , that is, we are returning, no, wait, not with one and that, not with one and that, because that empire means in that iteration, and the empire collapsed like that and now and now the next iteration of that empire must likewise crumble. and accordingly, certain mechanisms, of course, certain patterns of mass behavior, well, it is clear that they are repeated, well, of course, that they are repeated, here are your islands, here are the ones you are talking about, this is exactly the comic club , the russian club, kamiserzhevskaya in the city of odessa,

you understand, where the sea is already raging around, the ukrainian revolution is already happening, and odesa is already speaking ukrainian all around, that it needs to be reminded today, so... inside ostrivets, the same russian club in which, in which we gathered ourselves, so how as he says the russian of moses' law, the jews themselves, who learned from the previous ones... that means there were decades of existence of the russian empire to be russians, and now they don't know what to do, because there is no return, there is no return to the shtetl, they are assimilated, and where should they go now, what should they switch to, where is their identity, you say, these people, well, our contemporaries, so they won't switch to ukrainian culture, because they despise it, they don't just despise it, they don't know the contempt they have. .. they inherited, they have this one imperial instruction, the disdain they

may have, that there is this aristocrat who said that a small culture, well, here are these people who are preachers of this idea, they are ethnic ukrainians, no, well, not testvich, ethnic ukrainians, you can call a few more surnames, we know a lot of them, it's not about ethnicity, that is, this nationality is a choice. have their own, it is understood that there are their own there, so, let's say, there are some advantages, in some ways there are advantages, in some ways not advantages, in the presence of a good ethnic bookmark that tells you something intuitively, yes, that is unstudied, but that without a choice you still won't do anything, but without a choice it's the same, well, somehow this so-called popular element can wake up. and when it feels threatened, and it happens in our country, by the way, it interferes and wakes up with the ukrainians, so

everything is fine with the ukrainians, so the ukrainians can spontaneously go to the maidans, when they hear a danger to the national existence, that is this instinct works, and this instinct was not dampened, you see, by a century of soviet rule, nor by 200 years of russification, but it was not dampened, and this... in itself is, well, you know, a miracle and a phenomenon that is worth all the anthropological studies in the world, at least it never ceases to amaze me as a ukrainian, it just seems to me that by and large there is a huge desire to get said this russian cultural policy, so to speak, because there is a continuation of the belief that this is something much more than ukrainian, but we are not...

still a little different, if you are already talking about culture and about measurements, then, sorry, i did not say, by penises, so by these sizes of writers , which is enough in itself anecdotally, because there are many writers in every developed culture, interesting writers, and they are all different, and eh... and the fact that, let's say this, we all read the most,

obviously, numerically, if you were to count russians from all literature, then this is simply a consequence of our colonial education, it is not because russians, it is not because we read so many russians, that russian literature is like that, of course, but because these were russian schools, and therefore , i apologize, they were not available to us, yes, but it was given as, therefore, the only role model, by the way, this, today, today i was shown an interesting discussion that is going on in social networks, now, er, and unfolded from one phrase said on the street, it seems, in zaporizhzhia, er, well, that is, a person overheard.

and this is an amazing phrase, that is , a whole discussion has developed with it, very, very interesting, that is, it pulls, yes, it pulls on the meme, absolutely, for the american williad, as for us war and peace, you understand what it really means that to a person... the iliad, which in general, is the basis of european literature, european literature begins with homer, even when there in the 19th century, every european author considered it necessary to attend certified gymnasiums, little was taught in classical gymnasiums, but every european writer paid tribute to danina, made his own remake on the themes of antiquity, and larisa nasha petrivna, i.e. lesya ukrainka, after cassandra,

testified flowers to my husband, that's fine, i have fulfilled my duty, my duty. russian authors did not have their obligations to antiquity, because gymnasiums are gymnasiums, and they did not go there; they did not have a renaissance of reformation, they did not have universities such as the ostrozka kyiv-mohyla academy, in which antiquity was a mandatory part of university education, well, they would not have passed it. they skipped this period, they do not have this link in their education, and accordingly, for a person, the iliad, you see, is something from foreign literature, it is not something that we make remakes of, what we play with, whatever - something, i don't know, either kotlyarevsky's aeneid, or lesia

ukrainka's cassandra, that is, but what is an absolutely integral part. so you can walk along all, by the way, some literary experts did this and played with it, to walk through the ukrainian classics of the 19th century and see there traces of this very deep subcutaneously assimilated greek and latin, so i think that this is a question of the 25th frame, here i will tell you just as an example, not so long ago i just watched the first frames of the soviet series children of captain grant, it was like this... i forgot about it for a long time, i started watching it, so the series began with some scenes from the life of a swindler, and here is such a scene from life zhulverna, a russian woman comes to him in paris the writer marko vavchok, well, she is characterized there as a russian writer, a publisher for a zhulvern, she says, she also writes in ukrainian, which means she sits down to talk with a zhulvern and the zhulvern

asks her, how is the health of ivan sergeyevich, turgenev, she says, that's great, he likes your work so much. says: well, i will never write like that, they say, well, she tells him, well, you write well too, she speaks to him in russian, and when this person, well, we forgot about it, you understand, and you, that we it was all watched by children, it's very funny, me i agree, and i am now, at the moment when i watched it, i missed it, because i watched captain grant's children, not turgenev.

that is, to fight with this, it is very difficult to fight with this, because it is a struggle not with culture from lack of culture, it is bookmarks, it is a struggle with , well, with technology, with a certain unconscious technology, which at first still needs to be realized, and then it already has some meaning somewhere there to wrestle and pull out these shards of this troll mirror, so all of us have been cut off by these shards of the troll mirror somewhere, yes so what... nothing, you can't do anything about it, well, there is this moment, of course, that is, and on the other hand, you know, i also remember once the jahubinsky fan in odesa not so long ago, well, that is, how long ago , so it was before the great war, that is, it was somewhere in the 18th or 19th, that is, she was driving us, that is, the lady from

the literary museum with a tour of odesa, she tried very hard. and at every step she threw in such phrases, well, in a conspiratorial way, they say, how are we among our own, we, she knows that she leads the writers, here she is tried terribly to correspond, you and i already remember the story of kuprin's garnet bracelet, well, that is, the signs, so to speak, the obra, the mysterious signs of being chosen, which are exchanged by initiates. i just didn't remember the story about the garnet bracelet, which i wasn't ashamed to admit here, and it shocked her, well, it really shocked her. and nod in agreement, but in fact i somehow felt

sorry for her, because i thought to myself, then i also thought that you see, a person has spent his whole life on mastering third-rate authors eh... well, let's say this, not the most first-rate culture in the world, because she was promised in childhood that this would be her ticket to olympus, in the light of the chamber where the chosen ones gather, these very aristocrats of the spirit, and to say , well, maybe we remember everything with you , the storyteller garnet brasvet, yes, of course, we remember everything, we all belong here. we are all people of the same circle, so this is ersatz, ersatz, destroyed, liquidated, and in the end there were no

elites, gentry, gentry precisely as free, independent, in tolstoy, until things, somewhere this is also this place, that is, an attempt to create some kind of substitutes from these same simulacrums. therefore not the intelligentsia, therefore the poet is more than a poet, because he is not, because the nobility did not happen, and the poet is a free-thinking person, so and so is the question, and here is the question, which, and what, what can you say, i thought , i asked myself, what can you offer this woman, to say that she, you know, is also a trauma, as it were, the trauma of several soviet generations, just like my mother, who was a brilliant philologist. soviet school, the soviet one, yes, when those books were needed, he published them there and published them himself, you know, mining for one night, and it was not

safe, so what in the 90s, when, when translations began, when proust appeared in the ukrainian translation, and she sadly looked at this very proust, these symptoms that i attracted her to in the translation, and said, until today i have read three... 30 volumes of bitter, well, this is a feat, 30 volumes is not, well , i had to, i had to, you see, i think i’ve read all of solzhenitsyn, 30, no, you have read all of solzhenitsyn, accept my singing, thank you, it was difficult, but i was just interested, but it is absolutely not edible, not absolutely, i just wanted to understand why it was not read, all these red wheels, so that’s what , i wanted to understand the political line, well, i understood, it was not only interesting from a literary point of view. it's political, because i wanted to understand where this story came from, how we should organize russia, which is now falling on our heads, that's it, well, in principle yes, well, in principle yes, that is, and that

this is the ideology of these rusites, who ultimately took care of them then, well, but i understand what you mean by this perverted interest in the soviet silk industry and it is also an interesting thing, bulgakov is really a cult figure for many kyivans, because... andriiivska zvoz is a legendary street, but koprin, it ’s really a pit, yes, yamska street, it’s not far from here in kyiv, so if brothels, then this is not a cult writer, white officers must live on the street in kyiv, well, that’s it a little more difficult, you take it, we won't have time, how much time do we have, 10 minutes, in 10 minutes we will not have time to cover everything, so we will preach everything culturally.' the nice work carried out by the kgb under the leadership of andropov, starting from the end of the 60s on bleaching, i am waiting for the simultaneous implementation of the cult of the white

guard, and this began with the adjutant of his excellency, the same people went from andriivskyi vozoz to which films, these films were , that is, it was a consistent technology, a consistent policy, bulgakov simply lay here, one might say, like a puzzle, so you think the adjutant was in kyiv. it fit perfectly and well , it really lay down and did not sag like that , but in 10 minutes we will not reveal all of this here, we will not reveal it in any way, wait, i had some other, some other, i think you mean it was beaten by kuprin, that is, if you are looking for russian writers who would write about kyiv, in fact they were and were. quite interesting, and, for example, here, too, to the question, you see, something, we rest again in ostrivka,

after which we left. when the sticks that remained when the sea left, aldanov, landau, a good kyiv jewish family, and a beautiful death story about kyiv in 1847, kyiv, ukrainians, poles and jews, well, the jews did not interest him more, but, but the balance is preserved there, there is the cyril and methodius society. there is his defeat, there is this ideology, there is the confrontation between the polish and ukrainian elites, as the main nerve of local life, and there is the colonial administration of the russians who arrived, who were new in kyiv at the time, and aldanov as a kyivan knew this, that is, he wrote, well, in principle, kyiv in the youth of his parents, yes, and it's really interesting. from the point of view

of kievan studies, this is a really interesting story, but i apologize, it does not fit into the ideology of the russian city in kiev, they always spoke russian, but in fact , for bulgakov or before kuplin, they saw russian kyiv, in fact, that kyiv among whom were they, because they were hermetic, one might say, societies, so they were, they were bubbles, so they were bubbles, and the first, by the way, was this innocently shot... yurynets, it seems, wrote in the preface 30- th year to vennichenko's notes kerpaty mephistopheles, that this is the first novel, he said, which gives an image of the kyiv that he actually was, a kyiv in which the songs existed, intersected, did not intersect, but in principle coexisted like this, these same

bubbles, which means they are different. kyivs, kyivs , that means polish, ukrainian, jewish, russian, there was also greek, i still found, i apologize, that means even the karaites, and the kraim intelligentsia, that these were acquaintances of my parents, well, it is not obvious that it was not, that they there was no kinasan in yaroslavl, at least the 60s were still the same the last that is, the remnants of the karaite intelligentsia, and so they were, these were old kyiv families, yes, yes, well, that is, it was a much more interesting city under inspection, well, a city, after all, like every, yes, like every city on the frontier, they are cities, big cities are not monocultural, yes, because there are, they are fairs, trade, trade routes, intersections and tds, etc., if we talk about what there is, about...

the basis, then think about it, at least, think about it, by the way, this is a very interesting topic, and it's even surprising that no one is familiar with it linguists didn't bother, but if you analyze ukrainian anthroponymy, ukrainian surnames, from the point of view of ethnonyms, what an incredible number there is, well , at least that's how you can count a few dozen ethnonyms that are unpopular there? i don't understand lyach with all the gender variants lyach lyash lyashenko lyashko and so on lithuanians that included belarusians the old name moskal yes moskalenko moskalchuk and all the derivatives of turks serbs ugrins and derivatives of voloshin have already been spent , i apologize, this is also a slovoch from the volochs, not from

the voloshes. so, i once had an acquaintance on the surname volosheniuk, who was convinced that it is from voloshok, but no, it is an ethnonym, nagayets, tatarchuk, tsyganchuk, zhydyuk, were renamed in the 20th century, for obvious reasons, yes, because the whole layer, i would say, is so linguistically kul'. turny fell out with this and that word, which became odious from the russian political presentation, so in the ukrainian language, it did not have a pejorative, pejorative characteristic, well, it’s as if you don’t overplay it, so on and so on and so on, that is, somewhere from the east, there are germans, germans, greeks, quick with...