languid formation in fact, that’s why, but ukrainians have a place to go, everything is fine with ukrainians, and so are jews, you see, everything is very interesting, what we, what we talked about with you, and what would be good, how much time do we have on this topic in general, yes, because it is actually a very interesting topic, when i told you back then, give me back my ukrainian jews, the process has just started, it has already started, i would say sooner or even. 14th year active, especially i would say after 22nd because after 14th year it obviously started there in the center to the west, but it always coincides, by the way, i have been talking about this since the 90s with the ukrainian nation-building processes, if the ukrainian nation-building process takes place, if ukrainians do not hold on to sovietness, representatives of any other nations stop holding on to it national minorities, in order for this to happen, it is necessary for the majority to become different, so it is necessary to start not with the jews, but with the ukrainians, let's return to ukraine again. and you

are throwing the ball over to me, yes, but no, we don't need to start with the ukrainians, the ukrainians are already there they started and are fighting back quite well, you know, it’s already the 11th year, they are fighting back quite well, not in words, but in action with weapons, answering the question that zahubatynskyi asked struve, by the way, in this very publication a hundred years ago, what mr. ... the point is, the point is not that there should be a single language for a single nation, the point is whether ukrainians will want to be a single nation with you, so far they give a negative answer to this question, he writes in another there on the 16th or 14 years ago, on the 16th or 1914, that we have been conducting this discussion for 100 years, all the time with one and that means we rotate no, well wait not with one and that, not with one and that, because that empire... so in that iteration, in that

iteration that empire collapsed, yes, and now this, and now the next iteration of this empire must also collapse, and accordingly certain mechanisms, of course, certain patterns of mass behavior, well, it is clear that they are repeated, well, of course, that they are repeated, here are your islands, here about which you speak, this is exactly there is that comedy club. the kamiserzhevsky club in the city of odessa, you understand, where the sea is already raging around, already the ukrainian revolution, and all around odesa is already speaking ukrainian, which she needs to be reminded of today, so here, inside ostrivets, the same surgeon's club, in which, in which they themselves gathered, that is, as, as he says, the russian of moses' law, the jews themselves, who learned to be russian during the previous, that is, the decades of existence of the russian empire. and now they do not know what to do,

because there is no return, no return to the shtetl, they are assimilated, and where do they go now, what should they go to, where is their identity, you say, these people, well, our contemporaries, so they will not switch to ukrainian culture, because they despise it, they don't despise it, they don't know the contempt they inherited, they have this imperial instruction. the contempt they may have, that there is this yaristovych, who said that there is a small culture, yes, well, these are the people who are the preachers of this idea, they are ethnic ukrainians, no, well, yaristovych is an ethnic ukrainian, i can name a few more names , we will find a lot of them, it's not about ethnicity, that is, we, this nationality is a choice, we have our own, it is understood that there are our own...

so, let's say there are some advantages, in some ways there are advantages, in some ways not advantages, in the presence of a good ethnic bookmark that tells you something intuitively, yes, what is unstudied, and what but without a choice you will still do nothing, but without it doesn't matter what the choice is, well , somehow this so-called popular element can wake up, when it feels threatened, and it's a thing for us. do you interfere and wake up with the ukrainians, so everything is fine with the ukrainians, so the ukrainians can spontaneously go to the maidans, when they hear danger to the national existence, this instinct is activated, and this instinct was not dampened, you see, neither 100 years of soviet rule, nor 200 years of russification, it was not dampened, and this in itself is, you know, a miracle. and a phenomenon that is worth all

the anthropological studies in the world, well , at least it never ceases to amaze me as a ukrainian, it just still seems to me that by and large there is... a huge desire to get said this russian cultural polis, so to speak , because there is a continuation of the belief that it is something much more than the ukrainian one, but we can’t give bolhakav, because we don’t have such a great writer here in ukraine, we can’t, quoting this, i apologize, that same zahutyinsky, it’s just comical, as he said, i don’t know how to explain, no in the greatness of bolhakov, i will not even discuss whether bolhakov is a great writer or a small one, we will not discuss there the level of tchaikovsky, the question is where is ukrainian culture, where is not ukrainian and that’s all, we can and

ferensalist drink a little no, the question is a little more in another, if you are talking about culture and about measurements, so, sorry, the little girl didn't say penises, so these sizes of the writer. which in itself is quite anecdotal, because there are many writers in every developed culture, interesting writers, and they are all different, and uh, and what, let’s say this, we all read the most, obviously, numerically, if you count the russians out of all literature, it's just us.

the discussion that is going on in social networks now, and unfolded from one phrase said on the street, it seems in zaporizhzhia, well, that is, a person overheard a woman shouting into the phone, here for the americans, the iliad is probably the same as war and peace for us, well, logically, yes, exactly like that, and this is a stunning phrase, that is , a whole discussion unfolded with it. what does it really mean that the iliad,

european literature, give a person european literature at all, well, the basis of literature begins with homer, back when , in the 19th century, every european author considered it necessary to... gymnasiums, but every european writer paid tribute to danin and made his own remake of the themes antiquity, and larisa nasha petrivna, i.e. lesya ukrainka, after cassandra said according to the testimony of her husband flowers, that's good, i fulfilled my duty as a european writer of tradition. there was no renaissance and reformation, they had no such thing, russian authors did not have their obligations to antiquity, because gymnasiums were gymnasiums, and they did not attend universities there, not at them, such as the ostrozka

kyiv-mohyla academy, in which antiquity was an obligation an obligatory part of university education, well, it would not be everything they passed, they skipped this period, they do not have this link in education. and accordingly , for a person, the iliad, you see, is something from foreign literature, it is not something that we make remakes of, what we play with, what is there, be it, i don’t know, be it by aneid kotlyarevsky, be it that is kassandra lesya ukrainka, so, here, but which is an absolutely integral part, yes, you can walk through the whole, by the way, some literary critics did this and played with it, walk through the ukrainian classics of the 19th century and see traces of this very thing deep under the skin mastered greek and latin, well, i think that this is the question of the 25th frame, i will tell you

just as an example, not so long ago i just watched the first frames of the soviet tv series captain grant's children, there was such a series, i have long forgotten about it , i started watching it there... the series started with some scenes from the life of a zhulverna, and here is such a scene from the life of a zhulverna, the russian writer marko vavchok comes to him in paris, well, she is characterized there as a russian writer, co-author and publisher of zag. says: she also writes in ukrainian, so she sits down to talk with the swindler, and asks her, as it were, how is the health of ivan sergeyevich, turgenev, she says, well, it's great, he likes your work so much, and the swindler says, well, i don't write as he never does, they say , well, she tells him, well, you also write well, the russian tells him, and when this person, well, we forgot about it, you understand that we watched it all. it's very funny, i agree. and i, i, at the

time i was watching it, i missed it, because i was watching captain grant's children, not turgenev, but now, but when you watch it, and it’s the norm, well , of course, julvern can’t write like turgen, well, we don’t even discuss it, it’s me, but it grows out of this, the 25th screen, no, well, that is, yes, how great in a way, technology about... well, with technology, with a certain unconscious technology, which first needs to be realized, and then i already... it somehow means to fight somewhere and pull out these shards of this

troll mirror, so for all of us , these shards of the troll mirror mean somewhere they saw it so that so that you can't do anything about it, well, there is definitely this moment, that is and on the other hand, you know, i also remember one time when zahubatyn was inspired in odesa not so long ago , that is, how long ago does it mean before the great war, that is. it was the 18th and 19th of a certain year there, so uh, she was taking us, that is, a lady from the literary museum with a tour of odesa, she tried very hard, and at every step, she threw in such phrases, well, in a conspiratorial way , they say, here's how we are among ours, we, she knows that she leads writers, and she tried terribly to be appropriate.

and nod in agreement, but in fact i felt somehow sorry for her, because i am i thought to myself, then i thought again, what do you see, a person has spent his whole life on mastering third-rate authors, well, let's say so, of the lowest culture in the world, because he was promised in childhood that this would be his

ticket to olympus, in the shadow of the chamber where the chosen ones gather, the fathers themselves are aristocrats of the spirit, and to say, well, you and i remember everything , the story of the kuyna, the garnet bracelet, of course we remember everything, we all belong here, we are all people of the same circle, that's it... ersatz, ersatz , destroyed, liquidated, and in the end there was no i in russia, as such, there are never elites, gentry, gentry precisely as free, independent, in tolstoy, by the way, somewhere this is also this place, that is, an attempt to create from these very simulacra, here are some such substitutes, of the cultural intelligentsia, that is why the poet more than a poet, because he is not - so here's the question, and here's the question,

which, and what, what can you say, i thought, then i asked myself, here's what you can offer this woman, here's to say that she , you know, this is also a trauma, as it were, the trauma of several soviet generations, like my mother, who was a brilliant philologist of the soviet school, the soviet school, yes, when it was necessary... he published those books there and there and published them himself, you know, to mine for one night, and it was not safe, so what in the 90s, when ...... when the translations began, when proust appeared in the ukrainian translation, and she looked mournfully at this same proust, these seven volumes that i had attracted her to in the translation, and said: daughter, i have read 30 volumes of bitterness, well, this is a feat of 30 volumes, right?

have read all of solzhenitsyn, 30, no, you have read all of solzhenitsyn, accept my singing'. thank you, it was difficult, but i was just curious, but it is absolutely inedible, not absolutely, i just wanted to understand why it was not read, all these red wheels, so i wanted to understand the political line, well, i understood , it was not a literary curiosity, but a political one, because i wanted to understand where this story came from, how we should organize russia, which is now falling on our heads, that’s it, well, in principle yes, in principle yes, that is and that's it this is the ideology of these russians, who ultimately took care of them. i understand that you have this perverted interest in the soviet history of kupryan, and this is also an interesting thing, but bulgakov is really a cult figure for many kyivans, because here is andriivskyi uzvoz, a legendary street, but here is kuplin, it is really a pit , yes, yamska street, it

’s not far from here in kyiv, so if brothels, then this is not a cult writer, they must live on kyiv street near... officers: well, it’s a little more complicated, you take it, we won’t have time, how much time do we have, 10 minutes, in 10 minutes we will not have time to cover everything, all the cultural and propaganda work carried out by the kgb under the leadership of andropov, starting from the end of the 60s, on bleaching, i am waiting for the simultaneous introduction of the white guard cult, ee, and it started with the adjutant and his excellency. these are films, these were films, that is, there was a consistent technology, a consistent policy, bulgakov simply lay here, one might say, like a puzzle, so you think the adjutant was in kyiv for exactly what is great i put it in and it really lay down and didn’t wobble, but in 10 minutes we

’ll cover all this, so we won’t reveal it here in any way, wait, i had some other me... i think i’m different, here you are, so kuprinim knocked her down, that is, if you look for russian writers who wrote about kyiv, then in fact, they were and were quite interesting, and for example, here , too, to the question, you see, we are again focusing on something in ostrivka, after, which remained, when the kalyushkas, which remained , when the sea went away, aldanov, landau, good kyiv hebrew the family and the beautiful story about the death of protis about kyiv in 1847, kyiv, ukrainians, poles and jews, well, the jews interested him the most, but, but there the balance is preserved, there is

the cyril and methodius society, here is its defeat, there is this ideology, there is a confrontation between the polish and ukrainian elites, as the main nerve of local life, and there is the colonial administration that arrived, the russians, who were new in kyiv at the time, and aldanov, as a kyivan, knew this, that is, he wrote, well, in principle, kyiv in the youth of his parents, yes, and this is really interesting, from the point of view of kyiv studies, it is... a really interesting story, but it, i apologize, does not fit into the ideology of kyiv, a russian city, in kyiv they always spoke russian, well, in fact, for bulgakov or dokupriana, they saw russian kyiv, in fact, that’s how i saw those among whom they were, because they were hermetic, one might say, societies, they were like that, they were bubbles, they were bubbles, and

the first, by the way, this innocent yurenets, who was shot, wrote. seems to be in the preface of the 30th year to vynnichenko's notes of carpathian mephistopheles, that this is the first novel, he said, which gives an image of kyiv, which he actually was, a kyiv in which they coexisted, intersected, did not intersect, but in principle coexisted, so these same bubbles, so , different kievs, kievs, so polish... ukrainian, jewish, russian, there was also greek, i still found it, i'm sorry, so even. and the crimean intelligentsia, so they were acquaintances of my parents, well, it is not obvious that if there were not, if they were not there, there would be no kinason in yaroslav, at least the 60s were still

the last ones, that is, the remnants of the karaite intelligentsia, and so they were, these were old kyiv families, so, well, that is, it was a much more interesting city under inspection, well, the city after all... anyway, like every city on the frontier, they are cities, big cities are not monocultural, yes, because there are, they are fairs, trade, trade routes, intersections and td, etc., if we talk about what there is, about the ethnic basis, then think , an attempt, at least to think about it, it is very interesting, by the way topic, and it is even surprising that no one has taken up it with a conspiracy theorist, but if you analyze ukrainian anthroponymy. ukrainian surnames, but from the point of view of ethnonyms, what an incredible number there, well , at least that’s how you can count

several dozen ethnonyms in the east, which are less popular there, well, of course, lyach with all variants, semi -lyach-lyach, lyashenko, lyashko and so on, lytvyn, that included belarusians, the old name, muskal, yes, muskalenko, muskalchuk and all derivatives. turks, serbs, ukrainians and descendants, voloshins, it has already been spent, i'm sorry, that too word, from the volokhs, not from the voloshka, so i once had an acquaintance named volosheniuk, who was convinced that it was from the voloshok, but no, it is an ethnonym, nagayets, tatarchuk, tsyganchuk. zhydyuk, were renamed in the 20th century, for obvious reasons, yes, because the whole stratum, i would

say, is so linguistic and cultural, but fell out with this, with this word, which became odious from the russian political presentation, so in the ukrainian language , it didn’t have a pejorative, pejorative characteristic, well, it’s like not... you overplay it, that’s it further, and so on, that is, somewhere in the east, where the germans, germans, greeks, swedes appeared after poltava, and so on and so on, and in reality it turns out that, you know, the whole of central, central and eastern europe is covered in this way, it is possible just take a walk and look with a magnifying glass, all these... and newcomers, so to speak, they all became indigenous, this ukrainian surname, well, they were integrated into civilization,

they, they became local, yes, well, they were appropriated by local communities , in these communities they received this surname on mention of his departed ancestor, but this is really very interesting to watch. such a process of the formation of a political nation was interrupted, interrupted by the pereyaslav council, relatively speaking, no, why by the pereyaslav council, pereyaslav, don't overestimate so much, don't overestimate, we don't overestimate so much, you know, also due to the inertia of the soviet school, the role of the pereyaslav council, in fact, in fact , for us, well, let’s say, it will be beautiful with moscow colonization, it can be more accurate, it can be like this, it can be the poltava defeat and of course... the fall of the hetmanship already under catherine, i.e. the entire fall of the sich, the fall of the zaporozhian sich, the end of the hetmanship and the transition of the ukrainian cossack elders to

the ranks of the little russian nobility, the rumyantsev reform under dunayskyi, so the change, the rotation of the elites, so to speak, its transition to the muscovites, but this is not everything happened for so long, if you think about how much civilization it is 200 years, even less, that is, in reality between 1900. the real real colonization of ukraine, that is, the loss, the loss of autonomy, the status of the protectorate of the hetmanate, and this is the part of the political culture, which is our component, and it, it, it is here in the genotype and you can’t do anything about it, but after kateryna, and after kateryna , you can talk about ukraine already as a colony, that is, when it spilled, blurred, lost any what are the signs self-government, but nevertheless, please note, even with shevchenko, er, his, er, target audience, i.e. ukrainian, that's

it... the little russian lordship itself, and the little russian nobility - this was a separate status, they were written in little russian nobility, that is, but actually her grandchildren the officers who transferred to moskkovske were still proud of the fact that they and we once destroyed poland, you will be surprised that we once destroyed poland, it is true that your poland fell, and it also scattered you, that is, shevchenko says: shevchenko is addressing the descendants of these same hetmans the elites are already the voice of the french revolution, the voice of a modern european, ukrainian political nation, which did not exist yet, but it first appears in the heads, so in fact, well, historically, this is a fairly recent process, recent and not so long, that's why i i say that we can actually look at it as something eternal, as such, if we look at it from the point

of view of this whole. and therefore , by and large, this indicates that the task of returning ukraine to itself, not even returning, but developing in its own direction, i would not take, would not use the word return, is not as difficult as it may seem , if you, if you think that it is thousands of years, and these thousands of years in our view, they are nothing, they are nothing, not a thousand years, no, well, 300 are added, 300 are added, starting from baturin, that means this same fight, you understand, mazeps, we return to mazepa's project, which then lost, but khmelnytskyi's project had its advantages, among other things, that is, i, that is, i would have it today, well, from today's point of view, it is quite anachronistic, you know , it would only be to scold him for overreacting. there were their own, no,

there were their own advantages, there was their own logic, and about this, by the way, eh, again, our predecessors, and such creators of the ukrainian political nation in the 19th century, the whole old community, wrote beautifully about this, our problem in because we haven't read all of this yet and haven't even published it, we don't have a complete dragomanov, this, this, by the way, is a shame and a shame, we don't have a complete antonovych, this is a shame and a shame for 30 years. oh, dragomanov, forgive me, john stuart mill of eastern europe, according to the general recognition of the intellectuals of the time, so we have a lot of work ahead of us, but we are moving in the right historically correct direction and the winds of history are blowing and pushing our sails, proof of why so already quite optimistic, for the final, look how much crying there was. mentions about

the ukrainian book, all these 30 years, while we had lobbyists for the russian market, and this russian market was worn out by us as it wanted, and here as soon as, well, as soon as possible, they really threw it away, they threw it away, only, only with with a full-scale invasion, they finally threw the russians out of the ukrainian book market, suddenly it turns out that we have forgotten everything, you go to a bookstore, and there are only ukrainian books, you know, you couldn’t even dream, it turns out that everything has already been translated, well, the first wave, at least patching the holes of what was missing, but this first wave has already gone wild, you see, although 10 years ago ukrainian bookstores had 90%, 90% of russian books, and several shelves of ukrainian books, now we have a market, we really have a market more- less complete, which seems to explode. where

did it come from, but, but there is, and now, i apologize, the publishing facilities, the printing facilities are being bombed, so they are also awake, that is why the war continues, thank you, ms. oksano, there are discounts presented, unbreakable discounts on foamy 20%. plantain in pharmacies, save money. vasyl zima's big broadcast. my name is vasyl zima, this is a big ether on the espresso tv channel. two hours of airtime, two hours of your time. my colleagues and i will talk about the most important things.