the ingredient is unusual, but in principle yes, it is also effective, it is an operational-tactical missile complex, which gave us permission to strike deep into the territory of the russian federation for 300 km, that is, morozovsk, that is , baltimore, shaykovka, where the tut-22m3 is based, strikes on to all russian airfields, where military aviation is also based, with these complexes the destruction of carriers when they are on the ground. mr. oleksandr, and while you and i are talking about methods of countering russian aviation, news has arrived that that the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi announced the change of the commander of the united forces of the armed forces of ukraine yuriy sodol, he was dismissed, and andriy hnatov was appointed in his place. since this is news that actually comes in the course of our program, i... i will go into a little detail, actually

on the question, regarding yuriy sodol, this issue was raised most actively, literally yesterday, by azov's staff officer bohdan krotevich and stated that there is a statement in the dbr, ukrainian pravda managed to find out what it was about sodolya, the reaction of people connected with the army and the military on the topic, on the topic of analysis in general, began. decisions of mr. sodol for the large-scale invasion, i would also like to say a few words about andriy hnatov, so that now i can understand a little about this appointment. brigadier general hnatov is the deputy commander of the forces of the southern army. in the 22nd year , he headed the headquarters and became the founder of the commander of the southern operational command of the ground forces of the armed forces. again , in the 22nd, he replaced general marchenko and headed the defense of mykolaiv. in the spring of the 23rd year managed the defense of bakhmut, which was part of

the area of ​​responsibility of osu-fortress under the command of oleksandr syrskyi. well, he was one of the officers who formed units of the renewed marines from the units that left the occupied crimea. mr. alexander, please, maybe some comment on this from you. well, let's hope that further changes that will take place will only benefit the defense forces of ukraine. ugh. okay, thank you, oleksandr kovalenko, military-political commentator of the group information resistance was live, thank you for your thoughts and your analysis, we, we remind you that we have a survey going on whether you believe that ukraine will join the european union within 10 years, and you can answer yes or no, if so...

please dial 0800 211381 from your phones, if not 0800-211382, by the way all your calls are free, also a reminder that there is a massive alert going on right now due to the departure of migu 31k, so please stay in safe places, we already have the next one guest, oleksandr khara. on issues of foreign policy, foreign and security policy of the center for defense strategies, mr. oleksandr, good evening to you, i congratulate you, good evening, well, we probably can't not start with the long-awaited start of negotiations on ukraine's accession to the european union, from tomorrow we let's keep an eye on this important dialogue, which may stretch for years.

objectively, and many assess our prospects in this way. mr. alexander, how important is this process that is being launched literally these days? of course, it is important, and it should be remembered that the europeans eventually realized that ukraine is part of europe, and should be part of it politically, economically, and militarily, after a large-scale invasion. it is clear that given that. what this war has brought us, how much economy we have lost, how many of our fellow citizens are not in their own, shall we say, regions, in their homes, it is clear that these challenges are extremely high, and it is clear that the destruction that russian aggression has brought , she is such that alone ukraine cannot do that, and precisely because of this, concrete accession negotiations and the help of our european partners are critical.

it is important that we hold on as a state, as an economy, as a society, and it seems to me that despite all these troubles, despite the loss of people first of all, but also of infrastructure, we have an open. additional opportunities, because earlier this soviet heritage, these metallurgical enterprises, mines, were, you know, like a suitcase without a handle, which was difficult to carry, to reform, because it naturally affected a large number of our population, but now with with this destruction it is clear that we have no other way out but to build a new economy and most likely, i hope, on new foundations, so that it will be a high... technological economy, that it will be based on high technologies, and not on the xix century , and therefore understood our approach to the eu, the fulfillment of requirements, bringing it into line with the accumenter, that is, the general body of legislation of the europeans, the european

union, it will definitely be positive for us, well, traditionally, this is such, you know, an important point for those who are critical thinks and always criticizes. power for, well, for objective , let's say, miscalculations or activity or inaction, european and euro-atlantic integration have always been for the thinking part of society, for the pro-european part of society, such a lever of influence on their own government, on their own president, so that these reforms actually took place, therefore, it is clear that there is more positive in what will happen now than negative, the negative can be such things, we do not know, well, actually, in what state the european union will be, when there will be political will in to accept europeans in us, and when we are ready, because what is happening in the united states now, a reversal and a reduction in the role of the united states in europe is possible, plus the growth of populists in the european union, i

have in the european parliament, as well as in the countries, he can radically change the european union into which we are integrating. that is, such, you know, thoughts, they should possibly remain on the margins, but we should not let them out of sight, well, and perhaps the last such point, we saw that despite the war, even in our best friends and neighbors, there are complaints against us, because we are a competitor, and this, of course, requires our government and our society and business to consolidate in order to protect our own interests, because we are, in fact, ee... agricultural, that is, and it is clear that our integration is liked and disliked by a large number of countries and business environments there, so it is clear that we need to be sharp and protect our

interests. mr. oleksandr, i would like to talk with you about the north atlantic alliance, in particular about the summit that will be held in july this year, in particular, appeared. information from the british correspondent of rfe/rl oles kovich, he reported that great britain is trying to convince the united states of america and the federal republic of germany that it is necessary to give ukraine an invitation to the north atlantic alliance, or at least somehow speed up our integration into nato , our entry into nato, actually before the summit that we are talking about... how realistic is it that great britain will convince, or at least somehow in a way will affect the united states of america, the position of germany, regarding, well, in particular, the relations between nato, in particular, regarding the accession to

nato within the framework of the summit of july this year. well, you know, our partners tell us that unlike the european union, where we became candidates. became members of the european union and started the process of integration, then in fact the political decision has been made, there are still technical issues, then in nato it does not work like that, because the invitation will mean that in fact, let's say this, it is an irreversible and rather fast accession process of ukraine to nato, and that is precisely why it is feared that this will not provoke a greater escalation in relations between nato and the russian federation. here, but you know, well, there have already been certain precedents that are interesting and positive for us, for example, we were canceled the action plan regarding the membership in we did not receive in 2008, and now our partners say that it is not needed, and we are actually working in

the adapted annual national program, and i think that nato could well go for a new innovation to start this process... say with ukraine with an open date. of course, i hope that our british partners and friends, who understand very well the importance of ukraine for the security of europe and the danger from the outside. by the russian federation, so that they find those arguments and convince the biden team. it is clear that the biden team is currently in the process of re-election, and of course that any issues that divide their own electorate and may become a reason for criticism from opponents, they are trying to avoid. well, plus, we know that this team is holding up well conservative actions from the point of view of not... provoking russia to some kind of escalation that could drag nato and thus the united states

into a direct conflict, here, but it seems to me that this is the right position, and actually the beginning of this process of ukraine joining nato , will mean that putin does not have the right to veto the expansion of nato, that ukraine has no choice but to become a member of the alliance, and therefore his opportunities, or rather to stop or not, decrease. slow down this process, because indeed, although this war is not, more precisely, nato is not the reason for this war, but in russian minds it is an important factor, and i would say so, not that nato threatens the russian federation, ukraine's membership in nato, but that ukraine's membership in nato means that russia will never again be able control our state and use our resources and in order to actually continue. a hybrid and perhaps, god forbid, open war against nato member countries in the future. so i will, i hope

the british can convince, they are good negotiators, they are reliable allies of the united states, they have enough, shall we say, channels to reach, i think, rational arguments. mr. oleksandr, well, i can't help but ask, we finally have an understanding of who will become the general secretary. nato has already voted for the prime minister of the netherlands, mark rutte, jens stoltenberg. to understand and have our nuclear potentials and resources deployed, because the russian federation... by the side, in fact, it deserves individual applause, it seems to me, because it is honest, it is fair and

in accordance with the realities. and mark ryuta, what are the expectations from the future secretary of nato, just for understanding? well, it's a good choice, definitely, because this country has shown that as far as it supports ukraine in both monetary and material terms, it's clear that they remember very well. who destroyed almost 300 passengers of mh-17, they understand how the russian federation is a threat, especially if it achieves small goals in ukraine, but i would say that the best option would certainly be kaya kalas and it would be a very good move by nato to give such a big position, an important position to the countries of the eastern flank, which.. . better know the russian federation, who show their political will, which is not comparable to the size

of the gdp and other indicators. the same estonia, it is a giant in terms of what it provides to ukraine, and how much it reduces its own defense potential, unlike more prosperous european countries, which are far from russia, but in any case, ryute will be a good general secretary who will be certain such sharp corners, no wonder, one of the first news was that he spoke with orbán, they agreed on, let's say, what is called the modus operandi, that is, such a variant of interaction between nato and hungary, when hungary will not block something there, but on the other hand, it will not be involved in helping ukraine, and even more so, as orban says about the conflict with the russian federation, regarding nuclear aspects, yes. indeed, this is a very important issue, primarily in the context of the united states elections, because if trump wants

to reduce his presence in europe, he will not be able to withdraw from nato, because the congressmen took care of it, they voted a bill that cannot be done without their knowledge, but this does not mean that the supreme commander of the united states, if it will be trump, cannot reduce the american presence, much less the readiness to defend its european allies. and actually in such a situation the europeans need to think about a deterrence system, about a new strategy, because now it is actually based on the nuclear power of the binders. states, these are strategic, let's say, nations, these are tactical nuclear weapons, which are located in four european countries, plus turkey, these are atomic bombs, well , britain is also an important factor, because it is ready to use its nuclear triad, protecting its allies across europe, but france is their actual doctrine, it does not

allow france to be a part of this pan-european. of the all-nato strategy, but i think that they will revise this approach, because it is clear that if there are no americans, then the british themselves will definitely not pull out nuclear deterrence, because the russian federation is, one might say, a superpower in the nuclear dimension, they have the same number of strategic warheads and seeds as the united states, but in terms of tactical nuclear weapons they have much more than the americans because the americans have non-nuclear assets. which are equal in their effectiveness nuclear, therefore, of course, this discussion has already begun, there are no concrete decisions yet, and by and large there is no need to revise the nato doctrine, the british doctrine, since the number of weapon carriers, the weapons themselves, is enough to reliably restrain the russian

federation, yes, but the future must of course be planned, because the nuclear arsenal is... such a thing that requires not only a good strategy, but large investments, and it is clear that britain is no longer the british empire, and they have their own internal problems, we see how they will be brought out in these elections, it is clear that we need to invest in perspective and understand the future 10-15 years ahead. another, by the way, no less interesting event for the world community, the president of poland, andrzej duda, arrived in china, called a meeting with xi jinping, it is announced that there will be various topics, one of the topics is, of course, russia's war against ukraine , this is the security situation in europe in general, and here the question arises, why right now and why the president of poland andrzej duda, we understand that china informally still tries

to support the occupying power of russia, and we understand that now after all... the union , among other things, makes rather strict demands on china, if we mention the latter, this is, for example, the same taxation of chinese cars, that it is not taxation, but customs duties on chinese cars, what does this visit mean, why is it happening now, and can it not be considered that andrzej duda to some extent represents, relatively speaking, a united europe during this visit. well, no, he does not represent the united europe, but he is one from the votes and one of the visitors to beijing from europe, who are actually trying to convince the chinese that it is in their own interests to influence their junior partner, the russian federation, so that this war stops, because the cooperation between china and

the russian federation, they worsen the general, general atmosphere relations with europe and the united states. and europe and the united states are forced to introduce sanctions, restrictions and reduce their dependence on china. the vice chancellor of germany, a minister, was there just a few days ago economy, he spoke, of course, about the actual german affairs, and above all, it is the competition that china poses in automobile and construction, you correctly said that one of the hot topics now is chinese cars, electric cars. whites, which are supported, manufacturers are supported by the state of china, and therefore they actually have a competitive advantage over european ones in general and german ones in particular, but it is clear that the vice vice chancellor also talked about ukraine, and that the russian war and support

for china is a stimulus that reduces, say yes, the prospects for cooperation with china, i think... that the polish representative will say the same thing, there will be bilateral issues, because of course, china is a big market, everyone needs resources, everyone needs markets, cheap chinese goods are needed, so, but it is clear that ukraine will also occupy an important place among foreign policy issues, the only thing is that i absolutely do not believe that china can agree to any concessions, in strategic terms, it is beneficial for them to support russia, to have with.. . from cheap energy resources and access to russian market and actually they became the champions, i.e. the first place in sales of electric cars, they got not only by dumping on the european markets. having actually seized the russian market, i am not talking about such strategic projects, about the fact that the chinese still want to receive certain military technologies from the russian federation,

well, the most important thing is that while this war is going on, our american european partners are scattering resources that they would could be concentrated in order to contain china in the indo-pacific region, and it is clear from china's strategic point of view that it is not profitable. to end this war as soon as possible, especially if it does not end with a victory for russia, or not in such a way, not on such terms that satisfy russia, because here we can still draw a parallel, the chinese are looking at the reaction of the west, at the support it gives us , on his political, shall we say, consolidation and long will, and of course they plan to do something similar with taiwan, because taiwan is a sore subject for... the chinese and it is clear that they actually all this the nation, especially the communist party of china, is preparing to return a rebellious

province, which, by the way, was never part of communist china, to the ranks of this communist china itself, and this question is yes, mr. alexander, unfortunately, we are a little squeezed in time, i sincerely thank you for your thoughts, for your, your expert assessment. oleksandr khara, an expert on foreign and security policy, center for defense strategies, was on the live air of the new week, and we are now joined by maria mezyntseva, member of parliament of ukraine, deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on integration of ukraine with the european union, head of the permanent delegation of ukraine to the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, ms. maria, good evening, i wish you health, glory to ukraine, heroes. thank you, ms. maria, i will probably start with the pariere, and with the resolution that we were expecting tonight, while we started on the air with martial topics, i would like to ask if

it has not been adopted yet, and i would like to remind you that it is a resolution that should somehow record the results of the peace summit, which recently held ugh, we have a lot of resolutions that concern ukraine, let's clarify which of them we're talking about... probably, it's a resolution that concerns the legal, legal aspects of russia's aggression against ukraine, where we have it divided into several blocs, we are talking about the president's peace plan, of course we are talking about the initiative of the special tribunal for the crime of aggression, which has already reached the level of the executive branch of power, and this is a working group from 40 countries. which includes not only the countries of the council of europe, but also, for example, the big seven, these are partners who are discussing

the next steps at a very technical, international legal level, and in one of the resolutions on the tribune, on the issue of russian aggression, in the section on the special tribunal, we are looking for new proposals, for example, how to prosecute the so-called troika, this is illegitimate president putin, the minister of foreign affairs and the minister of defense of the russian federation, and we propose these legal instruments in the text of the resolution, committee meetings are currently taking place, i am sure that i support this proposal, we also have such a novel on the status of russia as sponsor of terrorism, we know that different legal systems interpret it differently, the pariet already adopted a resolution where we did not... call russia a terrorist state, well, here are more specifics according to the same legal form as , for example, our , our american

partners. in addition, we will talk about the wagner group and its illegal activities, although its leader seems to have already died, and by the way, exactly one year has passed since the failed coup and the march on the kremlin, and we also... mention this in the text, and not only that, so many things it happened today, you can see it on the screen - with a brooch, by the way, presented on behalf of our delegation to general secretary maria plečevich buryach, it is a yellow-blue bird that she wears at all meetings, her term is coming to an end, we will have tomorrow first, the first general election round. secretary, this is a rather high position, the secretary general of the council of europe, a mandate for 5 years, it can be compared, probably at the eu level, with ursula

fonderline, that is, it is such an executive branch of power. very respectful and powerful, caring in all directions, for example, in her mandate , ms. prychovych burych supported us in the framework of the creation of a special tribunal, and it is a very important practical tool for ukrainians, which is already in place, this is a compensation mechanism, literally 20 minutes ago our meeting ended, let us remind you that contact us... mezyntseva, people's deputy of ukraine, deputy chairman of the committee of the verkhovna rada on integration of ukraine with the european union, chairman of the permanent delegation of ukraine to uparie. and we are actually talking about the events in paria right now, huh i wanted, i would like to talk, including about the historic day, which is tomorrow or one of the historic days for ours, i would like to understand, is it the start, or some nominal event, purely ceremonial? yes, this is an important

question that we definitely... plan to ask ms. maria, and regarding parier, the summer plenary session of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, of course, we will once again emphasize in focus the rights and human rights issues related to russia's aggression against ukraine, we will also talk about democracy in georgia, what is happening to it, and the secretary general of the council of europe should be elected, and we are very grateful to the current general. thank you for all your support to ukraine, and we will ask ms. maria, actually, what are the prospects of the candidates and who are the current candidates for the new secretary general of the council of europe, and incredible candidates, these are three men, and you know, we were joking at the meeting of the political group, it was like this the question, what should they do, which maybe, maybe they have flaws,

and we are... because today is the international day of women in diplomacy, their flaw is that they are not women, well, that's if, if you're joking, seriously, all three candidates have very serious profiles, they passed the preliminary selections, this is the final three, the former president of the swiss confederation, the current, well, already completing his mandate, the european commissioner, that is , the eu minister, in the field of justice, and our former colleague in .. farye, a member of the estonian delegation, the former minister of culture and sports of estonia, that is, all three personnel are important, interesting with their own victories in professional life, and the ukrainian delegation will vote for the one who will win, in principle, we will continue consultations, i am sure, what it is important elections, and i think they will have two

rounds, if very briefly. and mrs. maria, i wanted to talk to you about another historical event, or one of the historical events for our country, tomorrow, june 25 , negotiations between ukraine, the european union, and moldova will actually begin regarding joining the european union. however, if we talk about this historical context, it is actually some kind of more formal date, or is it conditional... in other words, it is really the beginning of that path that is difficult, perhaps, which we will have to overcome in the next few years, and the second the question is, in your opinion, how long will it take us to achieve this goal, for which many millions have fought, and many millions of our citizens are now fighting, to join the european union, so

you are right. it is the defense forces on the battlefield who will choose our european integration, and without them , tomorrow will come, so a huge thank you to them, and the european union made a huge exception and began to directly support our defense forces through the special peace facility program, in terms of timing, there are political cycles, i have already commented it is possible, i have i hope that within a five-year term, ukraine from... can complete its homework, which is a difficult 35 sections of technical documentation in completely different areas of our daily life, and maybe it will happen that we will be able to run for the next election cycle in 29- this year, we have public support, some regions show a cycle of more than 80, more than 90%, let me remind you