such a classic summer will prevail, moderate heat, no precipitation and only in the west, more precisely in the carpathians and carpathian regions, rains are likely, and in general it will be mostly dry and sunny, the summer continues, keep a close eye on our updated weather forecasts on the espresso channel. thank you, natal snidenko, and i thank you, today we collected more than 17 uah. we are going to crimea this week, thank you for that and thank you for being with us, stay with express, literally in a few moments, meet andrii smoliya, he will come the results of this day. good evening, we are from ukraine. today in the verdict program. the beginning of the path of great opportunities. ukraine has officially started negotiations. on accession to

the european union. a complex process of several years is ahead. will ukrainians take part in the next elections to the european parliament? double standards of the kremlin. the criminal russian authorities blame the victim of their aggression for retaliating. how putin took hostages of all civilian residents of the occupied crimea. general. rodol in opal. the dismissal of the commander of the united forces of the armed forces of ukraine was preceded by a scandal with accusations of incompetence and loss of territories. what other changes in the military leadership does mp bezugla foretell. congratulations to all viewers of the espresso tv channel. this is the verdict program. today without... serhii rudenko,

i will be in his place, and serhii will be back in the near future and will host the following programs with you. today, we will traditionally talk with you about the events of the day, about the most important event, probably from the point of view of the history of an independent country, about what ukraine is still doing a huge step towards joining the european union, we will talk about the summit. about the ukrainian victory, about how the hostilities are going on now, about the threats we have for our country, and about everything that worries you, worries the country, and everything that concerns ukraine and the world, and traditionally in this program we will start with a short video about how our defenders, our soldiers... destroy the russian occupiers

, about how they basically try to knock the russians out of our territory every day, every minute, every hour. let's see when the gur fighters destroyed the russian field ammunition warehouse in the voronezh region, at night there was a fire at the sites with shells, the total area of ​​which is more than 3,500 km. with the detonation, which, by the way, is still going on, let's see, this is why people woke up at 3:00 a.m., glory to ukraine, glory to our defenders, glory to everyone who helps the army every day from... the occupiers on our

territory . we also traditionally start our program with a survey in which you can take part. today it sounds like this. are you satisfied with the results of the global summit? of peace if so, you can pick up your phones, your smartphones and make a call. 0800-211-381. if you think not, you are not satisfied. with these results, call 0800 300 211 382. all your calls are free. well, traditionally, we continue our program of communication with guests, with experts, with people who create today's history of our country. roman bezsmertny, ukrainian politician, diplomat, former ambassador

of ukraine to belarus, people's deputy of ukraine, several convocations, now joins of our ether. mr. roman, good evening. good evening, mr. roman, as you already understand, we will start with probably the most important event, which is the beginning of negotiations regarding ukraine's accession to the european union. do you think this is a formal date as of now, a formality of some kind, or is this really an event of a significant scale that will be talked about in the future, i... will be studied in history books for the next there or decades, this is a very important event in the history of ukraine, and it is important not only because this process will take place in the conditions

of russian aggression, in the conditions of the russian-ukrainian war, it is also important that it follows a scenario, and an individual one, because if we... we will try to compare a similar order that was with other states, even with those that are now close to is in the queue, then we will see a very significant discrepancy in terms of parameters, rates and so on. now here it is important to keep in mind that in ukraine special attention is always paid to such events, and if you take these tracks today, let's say, they are like the introduction of ukraine. to nato, the accession of ukraine to of the european union, they have always been very loud, they have been very informative and loudly served, well, remember at least for many countries such a simple and silent process as joining the world

trade organization or joining the council of europe. in ukraine, it always looks loud, it is always very much so, it is discussed in many ways. and despite the fact that in the current situations of russian aggression it would seem that this thing should take a second place, but it now occupies a very important part of our lives, i no longer i am talking about the information space, and probably not for the first time, but understanding, we can compare with other states, but the process of negotiations is given such importance, and it is not so difficult to see. how it will take place, on what conceptual basis, and already now the interest in this process in ukraine is much higher than in similar cases in other countries, so all this indicates that the accession negotiation process is very

important for ukraine, because, firstly, it affects the lives of ukrainians, and secondly, this is the coincidence of joining the eu and the beginning. negotiations with that ukraine is in a state of war, it will give a very serious information leak and a very informational, serious blow, including to the enemy, to the enemy, and this must be understood, because for the enemy, for the moscow führer, ukraine's entry into the eu, well, it a noose around his neck, another one, in the european union they also believe... that the accession of ukraine and moldova is extremely important, including for them. in particular , the head of the european commission ursula funderlaijen announced in a special video message that the european union has officially started negotiations on the accession to, on the accession of ukraine and

moldova. now let's listen to what mrs. ursula fonderlein said. today, the eu opens negotiations on the accession of ukraine and moldova. we are on the threshold of a pivotal moment for these two countries. together we can create a bigger and more promising europe. the road ahead will not be easy, but also full of great opportunities. mr. roman, if we speak from the point of view of the european union, we understand that for them the accession of ukraine and moldova is also very important, and this process is very important, in your opinion, to what extent now in the european union in general, even

among those states that may have had a rather skeptical attitude towards ukraine, there is this unity, regarding as soon as possible, at least from their side. from their side, the accession of two states, in particular ukraine, to the eu, accession to the european union? well, you see, if we only touched on these, ah,... seven tracks and there are 35 or 36 questions, then i don't see a big problem there, because these are all working things that are on everyone's desks today government officials, parliament, local government, local self-government, and they are achievable and achievable in the shortest terms, which is now in the european union, in the european community itself, there is also a position there. very favorable, if not for individual exotic fragments, and

the exotic fragments are all hungary, because here we can also talk about the final vote that will have to be held in the hungarian parliament, i am not talking about the fact that we will have to listen to hungarian remarks at all these conferences, which far from the subject of discussion, because it is visible during, especially the last... five years, when, well, it would seem that there is no reason to put up any barriers, but it is obvious that the call from moscow, and the command to orbán, the prime minister of hungary, is being launched to work, or siarto, or some diplomat who starts to spoil ukraine's road to the european community, this is the first test, and it must be passed calmly, understanding that it will not be possible to avoid these chatter. understanding that it is not the hungarian people who speak, but moscow who speaks, but with

the voice of orbán, or petar siarto, or something else any representative of hungary. it is very important here to distinguish between these things. now one more thing, this is slovakia, because fico, robert fico and his team, they have already started to show up, a little less than orbán and his team, but they will also... little by little put sticks in the wheels, and here too, additional conversations and chatter, and in fact, in most cases, they will not relate to these technical issues, because in fact there are no global things left, there are simply technical issues that need to be resolved, whether to make changes to the laws, or to introduce changes in by-laws, or to introduce institutional changes? whether to increase it somewhere, to create some additional authorities that should be abolished, whether

to strengthen the independence of individual ones and so on, that is, i want to emphasize once again that all these are working issues, and ukraine is constantly working on them with varying degrees of success in different directions, but even if you look at the reports submitted to the european commission over the past three years, there is progress in all parameters, if you compare... among all the current six candidates, i am not the main candidates i insert turkish, because they have been standing in this queue in these blue halls for a long time and it is not known whether they will get out of there, then ukraine is moving most dynamically in absolutely all indicators, but i want to emphasize once again that there are states in the european community, which are performing in this the moscow team is a question, and we have to wait for a stepladder from them. barriers and additional thresholds, but it is necessary to treat this completely calmly and persistently move towards

the european community. and here is such a short question, if we are already talking about these thresholds are there barriers, how much can hungary or slovakia delay ukraine's accession to the european union, or is this some insignificant term? well, from my point of view, first of all, there is room for maneuver here. in particular, the behavior of the hungarians suggests that they slander, slander, then at one point some button is pressed, well, you can see everywhere, this button is either in washington, or in the european central bank, or in berlin, or in london, well, the scheme is visible already, this button is pressed, but all the same there is a certain pause here, if we take financial issues, then this in about a month or a half, what concerns... political consensual issues will have to be voted on in the hungarian parliament, and here, from my point of view, the important thing

is this button that will work, and the fact that the situation inside hungary is now broken, and in orbán has a very serious competitor to magzio, and therefore it is obvious that he will maneuver, and one more thing that affects hungarian politics now, the minister visited by peter sijart. foreign affairs at the last international economic conference in st. petersburg showed that they are bit by bit expelled from the court of moscow and kremlin. and this means that a turn in these issues is brewing in budapest, because it was clear, just as in the work of the ambassador in the european commission, when the issue of the start of negotiations was considered, the process took literally a week when hungary came to

its senses and the ambassador representing hungary voted for the start of this process, that is , it is clear that a whole complex of... things affects hungary, therefore, from my point of view , the maximum that the führer of moscow can count on in the actions of orban's ally is the end of the term of office, the term of office of the current government of hungary ends very close, that is, it means that this is the maximum reserve, and therefore i look at the situation very optimistically, that is , ukraine next year can easily become... a member of the european union, if no force majeure happens things by the way, you have already mentioned certain dates, yes, about when ukraine can become a member of the european union, here, including representatives of the ukrainian authorities, they name certain years, for example, a people's deputy of ukraine, deputy head of the committee

on issues of ukraine's integration with the european union, maria mezyn. she announced that ukraine could become a member of the eu in 2029. let's listen. i hope that within a five-year term, ukraine will be able to complete its homework, which is a difficult 35 sections of technical documentation in completely different areas of our daily life, and maybe it will happen that we with... can run for the next election cycle in in the 29th year, well, mrs. maria is talking about the year 2029, someone is talking about the year 2030, that is, in general, we are approximately in within the framework there, relatively speaking, 5-6, maybe seven years, how do you estimate how many years we need in order to overcome this

threshold of entry, and if we speak. so do you agree that 2029 or 2030 can really be such a year? well, from my previous answer, you probably understood that when i hear 40th, 30th there, i feel funny inside, yes, yes, the fact is that if you look at the procedure that ukraine is going through, or in the eu , or in nato, then all the norms, standards, rules that were written are already there. or in traffic rules or in the regulations of the european community, they have been on the sidelines for a long time, and the situation now looks in such a way that these processes are not dictated by the mutual relations of ukraine with the european union, ukraine and nato, or the situation inside ukraine, because if we take these 35 provisions, then half of them are connected with

the war process, and they can even be fulfilled. with any desire is not possible, which means that positions will be adopted on these issues that will have a certain amount of slack, and this is obvious and understandable, but in the current situation, because today ukraine is more needed by the european union than the european union by ukraine precisely in connection with russian aggression, i emphasize this, ukraine has become a colossal resource source. for many programs of the european community, including international programs, because no one could imagine that a country, state and society, which is waging a ten-year war, would be able to export 30 million grains every year in war conditions. i no longer say things related to the energy complex,

the resources of the mining industry and so on, it everything on... in fact, in these positions and provisions of 35 of these documents, they are all indicated there in six key clusters, and here it is important to understand that the decisions that will now be made in the coming years, yes, they will be somewhere within the framework of certain regulations and procedural norms, but to talk about the fact that in the current conditions or in matters of security or in... matters related to the food, energy crisis, someone will proofread these regulations, understanding at the same time what, as of today .. ukraine's entry into the eu is a salvation in including africa from starvation, well, in such a situation, it is obvious that ukraine has a certain

carte blanche in these matters, and it is obvious that for these positions there will be special procedures for achieving, well, those parameters that must be achieved from the point of view of compliance, well , however, if you look at all these provisions, then more... most of them are changes in the regulatory framework, except for things related to, say, economic standards, competition standards, where the technological process needs to be worked out, everything else, it will rise quickly enough, but it is obvious that special positions will be introduced on the entry into force of certain normative acts, because they cannot act due to objective force majeure reasons. another important topic that i would like to discuss with you is the global peace summit, its results more than a week has already passed since

it took place, during this week we saw that the states are joining the signing of the actual communique, there are already seven participants this week time has come, here let's now listen to what the president of ukraine volodymyr has to say about this. zelensky another country is malawi joined the kamenyuke peace summit. greater african representation in global peace efforts means greater pressure on russia to end this criminal aggression. and the more countries there are. the world is in the stage of definition. that is, there is polarization. an axis of evil is forming around russia, iran. and china and a coalition of goodness, democracy and freedom is being formed, where the key password is the word ukraine, and it is obvious that this process will

continue now, and here it is very important to understand that the forum itself, by itself, is already implementation, let's say, of the course for the formation of a coalition of freedom as soon as possible, and so... the name, the coalition of freedom, because even a conversation on the topic where the password is ukraine, without making any decisions, is already an answer to whose side, and in fact, it is very good that someone joins, someone is defined, it becomes clear, this is your ally, and the associate, or is it your opponent, enemy, which means he ends up in the camp of your enemy. it is very important to see this world today, as for the topic of the content of this process, from my point of view, the further development of the forum

this should result in the development of a draft resolution of the un general assembly, and since most of such initiatives were eventually adopted by the general assembly, that is. so it should happen here, if a gathering of those who advocate the charter, those who advocate international law, those who advocate a rules-based world order, would come together and offer their understanding and vision in an appropriate document that would unify the entire list, starting with the first four, because there are not three, there are four, in fact, if you look closely, but... on first of all, at the first summit, it is very important, i am not saying that it is super important, that during the summit the same thesis was voiced by

giorgia meloni, the head of the council of ministers of the republic of italy, who said that we must set such rules that the moscow führer will accept, if he does not accept them, we must make him surrender, that's it... the top of the first summit, it just asks for applause, because the things that sounded before that and related to three positions, there nuclear security, food security, humanitarian law in the conditions global or continental and regional conflicts, they are super important, but the direction of movement of the summit... of its participants, with this tone and content that was given to george milona, ​​it is absolutely correct, because it gives an answer to the question

of the formation . coalition of freedom, and it is very important now not to stop talking about the next and such meetings. i can tell you that from the beginning of the appearance of this idea, i was very skeptical, understanding that both my own and others' users would be here. but the process itself of this summit, he showed that both as an idea and as an organizational form, in terms of even transformation. ramstein to the active headquarters of the freedom coalition, this is a very important thing, i am not talking about the fact that the summit can turn into a kind of political ramstein under such conditions, where heads of state, defense ministers, chiefs of staff, who meet in the ramstein format, will sit. it is no coincidence that the number of heads of state who were at the summit

coincides... with the number of states participating in the ramstein format, this is a very important thing, it cannot be missed, and on this and it is necessary to emphasize attention. by the way, we would like to remind our viewers about the survey that we are currently conducting, and it goes like this: are you satisfied with the results of the global peace summit, you can take your phone or smartphone and vote, yes or not? if you think yes, then you vote 0.800 211 381, if you think no, then you call 0800 211 382, ​​all your calls are absolutely free. mr. roman, one more topic i would like to talk to you about is the next package of sanctions with side of the european union against russia. is already

the 14th, and this time it concerns energy, finance and trade, if we go into detail, then the list includes 116 legal entities and individuals, well, we will not list them, but here is the key question, this package of sanctions, how much is it for russia , this is a joke, or is it... such a small next step against the occupying state, to describe it accurately, it is a gradual tightening of the noose around the neck, that is , strangulation will not occur from this, but i would add to the list what you were voiced, this transport and actual lessons from the implementation of

previous and current sanctions. change the punishment of those who violate sanctions, especially third countries, because if you take the list of countries that fell under the sanctions of the 14th package, then these are all five central asian states, this is saudi arabia, this is china and even some european business structures, which were incorporated into schemes through third and fourth countries. in the supply to russia of dual technologies or dual-purpose goods and so on, that is, in fact, this is the last section that deals with sanctions against sanctions violators, from my point of view it deserves the most attention, in particular there, if we take the list of all the sectors that you mentioned, it is especially important that...