in kyiv, a precautionary measure is chosen for mykola tyshchenko, to the president's team, he was most likely brought by andriy yermak, but after the scandal with tyshchenko's participation in dnipro, the head of the president's office renounced his baptism. is this for real or pretended, and what political, in addition to legal, responsibility should mykola tyshchenko face? this is svoboda live, my name is vlasta lazur. currently, on the afternoon of june 25 , mykola tyshchenko was ordered to be remanded in custody at the pechersk court of the capital, he faces 5 to 10 years in prison. before, this morning, tyshchenko was informed of the suspicion of illegal deprivation of liberty. the matter concerns beating of an ex-military man in dnipro

on june 20, when men in balaclavas and camouflaged clothing without identification marks attacked former military man dmytro pavlov. at the time of the fight, he was walking with a small child in a stroller. mykola tyshchenko was spinning nearby. at the same time, information appeared that the men in balaclavas were his bodyguards. tyshchenko himself did not confirm this, but now the dbr has announced that there is a group of people in the dnipro kept an ex-military man precisely on the instructions of a people's deputy. here. photos from searches of tyshchenko, and as you can see, cash in euros and dollars and a wristwatch were also found on him during the search. whether this money has anything to do with the case is unclear. the sbi only reported that tyshchenko broke his mobile phone during the service of suspicion. my colleague, roksalana bychay, works in the court during the selection of a preventive measure, she joins our broadcast. roxalano. congratulations. will mykola tyshchenko recognize his guilt? this is the first question. and maybe someone

came today to bail him out, for example, people's deputies? hello, your honor, i would like to note, first of all, that according to the prosecutor, he broke not one, but two of his mobile phones, but about that later, i will first answer your questions, he did not directly answer our question, my question about whether he admits his guilt, whether he considers it a well-founded suspicion, which was announced to him today, and he actually did not answer. directly, in fact, to none of the questions, he very rarely answered directly, often transferred it to another topic, or talked about the fact that he does not have the right to answer these questions, because it concerns the investigation, everything related to the investigation, he has no right to disclose, and he said that won't actually say what's relevant to the case, but we can listen to him this short part of his answer today to the question whether he still thinks it is justified... the suspicion that was announced to him,

you are accused of illegally detaining this husband, do you agree? i to tell the truth, i am accused precisely because a large number of mass media, if you see how large a number, and they make a show out of it, and i don't understand, the war is already over, no one came to bail him out, going back to one of your questions, journalists are here in court today. mykola teshchenko himself counted 23 cameras while he was sitting and waiting for the court to start, prosecutors, lawyers, and actually the judge himself were also in court today, no one else came, in fact, today they began to consider the prevention of the selection of preventive measures for mykola tyshchenko, and i will tell you that in the essence of the case he faces up to 5 years in prison, the prosecutors are demanding today that the court appoint him a pre-trial release. the restrictive measure, the preventive measure

is such as 24-hour house arrest, and they also ask mykola tyshchenko to surrender all his passports, foreign and ukrainian, and also ask him not to leave the city limits where he is actually registered, namely the city of kyiv. the lawyers themselves have not yet appeared, they did not succeed to listen, but they will most likely request that mykola tyshchenko not be under house arrest, but... this is the strictest, strictest preventive measure that they can choose in general in this case, according to this article, in fact, which, according to how mykola tyshchenko received the suspicion, well, i will actually tell you about the broken phones, as promised, the prosecutor told today at the meeting that mykola tyshchenko broke two mobile phones during the serving of the suspicion and during the search of his home, one of the videos we saw yes...

in social networks and the prosecutor actually described this video that mykola tyshchenko first smashed this phone against a stone table, then bent it in half and then twisted it again for certainty. in his hands, that is, he actually destroyed it, and the second phone, according to the prosecutor, was also destroyed, the prosecutor even requested that they have the opportunity to watch this video in court again and make sure of this, and this was also one of the arguments that why does mykola tyshchenko need to be placed under 24-hour house arrest so that he, in particular, cannot contact with persons who may be involved in this crime, but have not yet been established by pre-trial sli'. and also so that he could not leave anywhere, and so that the investigation could continue and that he could be brought to justice in the event that his guilt is proven. roksolana, thank you very much, roksolana bychay works in the court where

a preventive measure is chosen for mykola tyshchenko. thank you very much. so, mykola tyshchenko received suspicion, but this is not the end of the story, because the trials can last for years, and all this time mykola tyshchenko can remain... a deputy, he is not obliged to draw up a mandate, well, unless he does it of his own free will, if it appears to him. in general , it seems that the conflict involving tyshchenko in the dnipro became a kind of red line, after which suspicion came to him from the security intelligence service and after which his own godfather andriy yermak disowned him. by the way, it was after yermak's statement, the one we are showing, that sbi investigators came to tyshchenko, not the other way around. and in general, earlier, the law enforcement officers did not touch tyshchenko, as if they did not notice. and i will remind you that it is not the first scandal involving tyshchenko, who entered politics as part of zkomanda, and at one time, by the way, was considered a rather influential deputy. he was the head of the kyiv city branch of the servant of the people party, and later headed the regional organization of the party in transcarpathia. well, for example, at the height

of the coronavirus epidemic, tyshchenko distinguished himself by the fact that his capital restaurant velyur worked despite the ban. later , there was another scandal with the participation of the national deputy, when his wife got a job during the covid. in one of the five-star hotels kyiv hotels. as a result , tyshchenko did not bear any political responsibility and his best man yermak did not distance himself from him, as in principle the president did. tyshchenko was expelled from the service of the people only at the beginning of the 23rd year, when it became known that during a full-scale war he went to thailand, where no one actually sent him, as it turned out later. but even after that, tyshchenko continued to insist that he was the president's man. in general, the appearance of tyshchenko in the president's team is unique and extremely interesting history. of course, only he, himself and volodymyr zelensky know all the details of the circumstances under which tyshchenko ended up in the z-team. but at one time, in the 20th year, the ukrainian pravda publication wrote a lengthy publication about the new political zero, and there, based on conversations with

people close to the president, journalists recreated the chronology of events that resulted in the showman and restaurateur mykola tyshchenko becoming a deputy, and the journalists also explained , what did andriy yermak have to do with his... political career. personnel is the main resource that is currently available trying to master yermak. as for how he managed to oust his predecessor, yermak was already one of the three people who decided on the personnel composition of denys shmyhal's government. but yermak began to be interested in personnel issues earlier. he took first place in the ze-team for his team back in the summer of 2019 . there was a meeting in the office of the president in kyiv, who should be nominated as majoritarians and in the 219th district they wanted to let one prosecutor, very odious, everyone started to protest, and then a man stood up from the second row behind zelenskyi, it was yermak says that i have a candidate for this media district, it will be easy to sell him, kolya tyshchenko. zelensky looked like that, raised his hands

up and kissed his biceps, cursing tyshchenko. otsei kolya, aka stupid, told the ukrainian truth, one of the participants of that meeting, which, however, ended successfully for tyshchenko. well, this kiss on the biceps, in fact, is not for nothing, because volodymyr zelensky, being a showman, really parodied tyshchenko in this way, well, now about the motives that made andriy yermak to disown his godfather right now, why didn't he do it earlier, why is the president silent, it is in principle with his consent that tyshchenko became a deputy, whether or not he feels his political responsibility for tyshchenko and whether he should, for example, call on him to submit a mandate , well, in the end, what does the fact of handing over to... the trial for tyshchenko and such demonstrative searches with cash, which we saw today, tell us, is this the real objective work of law enforcement officers, is it possible to be instructed from above, and in the end, how can it end a story for mykola himself tyshchenko, this is what we will talk about now, serhiy yavtushok, people's deputy from batkivshchyna, representative of the committee on

the rules of parliamentary ethics and organization of the work of the verkhovna rada, joined our broadcast, i congratulate you, and ihor friz, people's deputy from servant, is also with us of the people, representative of the committee on law. of legal policy, good evening, congratulations, good evening, yevhen, i guess i'll start with you, serhiy, more precisely, a question, serhiy, i'm sorry, yevhen will be on the air with us, look, on the website. of the supreme council today there was a petition about depriving tyshchenko of his deputy mandate, please tell me how this story can develop further, are there any tools at all to react to this petition, we are showing it now, no, no, mykola, mykola tyshchenko was elected in a single-mandate electoral district, there are the majoritarian, so to speak, the mechanism. conspiracies to remove a deputy from office do not exist, unfortunately, we have probably been discussing this

topic for a very long time, and the last convocation, and this convocation, but citizens of ukraine cannot recall a people's deputy of ukraine, so that he has submitted his credentials, there are also a number of clauses that, according to the legislation, provide for how deputies can submit their credentials, this is... death in the event of death, this is the second point - it is on his own statement, the third point is when a people's deputy of ukraine is elected in a general multi-mandate district, he writes a statement to withdraw from the faction, because the legislation provides for joining the faction after the elections to the entity that nominated him for the elections, i.e. the political party, if the people... the people's deputy withdraws from faction, is also getting rid of it, we have such examples, remember, the previous convocations, these are

tomenko and firsov, they were part of the bpp faction, remember, they wrote a statement about leaving the faction, but they were elected in a multi-mandate district, and the central committee, referring to this very point, she deprived them of their deputies, so it is impossible to react somehow to this petition and exclude tyshchenko, i understand you, it is impossible, it is impossible. now igor, i have a question for you, you are a representative of the servant of the people, formally tyshchenko is no longer a representative of the servant of the people, neither a party nor a faction, but he continues to claim that he is the president's man, how close are his ties to the president's team now? absolutely not in the know, i don't know what they were like before that, what they are like, you don't know what they were like before that, he was yermaka's best man, look, we're talking to you about political connections, not about personal connections, business connections. i would like us to speak exclusively within the framework of the

law, constitution, regulations that you and i try to live by, or demand that others live by, this is the key this is the key point, this is how we demand that others live, i would add to what serhiy said, some more elements of the 81st article of the constitution, which regulates the procedure for early termination of powers, you simply did not let serhiy finish, he would confidently name two. point, two points, which in principle have the possibility in one way or another, more likely in the second than in the first, to prematurely terminate the powers of a people's deputy, the first is deprivation of his citizenship, or voluntary withdrawal from the citizenship of ukraine and termination citizenship of ukraine by such a person, i am not sure, i do not know if tyshchenko has any other citizenship of another country, here, but the next thing is the acquisition of legal force by a court decision, and just such a procedure is exactly what is used today. he was served with a suspicion by the pre-trial investigation and investigation authorities, the criminal proceedings

are carried out by the office under the control of the office of the prosecutor general, but it really seems to me to be his sbi, and here there are procedural points that will allow, provided that mykola is present in the actions and it is brought to the judge's attention, and no, on television, proving in court the existence of the composition of the crime and the existence of the corresponding court verdict, which will be... let me just give the context for our audience, for example, such a case happened with your colleague, already an ex-colleague oleksandr trukhin, the trials continued , if i am not mistaken, one and a half years, and all this time he remained a people's deputy, which means, in order not to mislead the audience, the trial here can also last a year, two, maybe more, and all this time tyshchenko will remain a people's deputy , clearly, of course influence on influencing... the court is a bad tone, telling the court how quickly it should consider this or that issue, from your

point of view, should volodymyr zelenskyy now turn to tyshchenko and call on him to draw up a mandate, well, such a political gesture, perhaps as responsibility for the fact that it was he who brought him to the team, i do not think that the president needs to do this work and associate himself directly with tyshchenko, 2019 political, well, he associated us with everyone, because he all was, as it were, the person we were following. and all the servant of the people she was basically in the verkhovna rada with the help of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi, but it seems to me that the political responsibility of any deputy in one way or another... it is not an additional necessity for someone to say something, if the political responsibility of a person is proven, he himself must draw up a mandate and do it in such a way as to prove political responsibility, how to prove political responsibility of trukhin, the same trukhin whom you mentioned, it seems to me in my memory, he just filed an application and by the time it entered into force or

any decision, he made a deal with the investigation, he made a deal with the investigation. nevertheless, the agreement with the investigation, these are not political issues, the political issue is the statement that he submitted as a politician, as a person who was a people's deputy. serhii, i have a question for you. you are a representative of the parliamentary ethics committee, the organization of the work of the verkhovna rada, and please tell me, for all this time, in fact for 6 years, while mykola tyshchenko has been a deputy, this is actually not his first scandal. or ever in all this time have you considered any incidents, scandals involving tyshchenko? no, uh, it wasn't, we had cases when, i want to emphasize here, in the session hall, only there we can take into consideration certain statements that happen, there, i, you remember you see, we deprived leros of participation in the plenary session, for his public statements into the microphone in the parliament, we also

considered the statement of smagliuk vasylenko. quite recently, which one wanted again in the draft resolution considering the fact that somewhere there poroshenko allegedly summoned her once there to deprive him of five meetings, but there was no evidence and the committee could not make a decision, well, i don't remember other cases, i emphasize once again that the regulatory committee has the sanction to deprive visitors of... . of people's deputies for a maximum of five sessions, but at the same time only issues that take place in the session hall are considered, outside the session hall the regulatory committee in principle has no right to consider either behavior or any other things, yes, that is if, if a people's deputy committed some actions

that do not correspond to, let's say, his status, are not ethical, ethical and moral, then this is not the subject of the committee's report. if he does it outside the verkhovna rada, yes, no, only in the session hall, in the case of mykola tishchenko, you see, the criminal procedure code works, and there is a different story. ok, igor, and then the question is for you , what do you think allowed tyshchenko to behave like this, during the last years and time, the way he behaved, and in particular the way he behaved in the dnipro, to walk around the city, with armed men in balaclavas, with weapons, what in principle gave him the opportunity? to behave like this and to feel this impunity, it is difficult for me, it is difficult for me to evaluate mykola tyshchenko, i sit next to him and he, well, all this time, starting from the beginning of the work of our convocation, well, he was such an unremarkable personality, that is, he behaved quite brightly , he tried to draw attention to himself, and in

principle many colleagues liked it and many even applauded his statement, in my opinion... a bigger problem, because you see, society sees such things, i see a little different things, exactly what mykola was going with, you will remember, when he voiced what happened, he talked about the commission, the resource that he heads, it is this commission that is fighting there with call centers or something else, so as of today, a long, long time ago, the temporary investigative commission of the national resource, which was not extended, did not work. the continuation of the activity of this commission, and this worries me more that mykola used his parliamentary powers for his pr, precisely the activity of the commission, which does not exist, this can be an additional, say, such an aggravating circumstance when considering the corresponding criminal proceedings against him, and why he behaves like that,

well, he can be a person of the corresponding plan, which is pr, which was public. which was in the media, and maybe he wanted to stay longer, not realizing that his status has changed a little, and today he represents the interests of the ukrainian people, and does not promote mykola tyshchenko as a person. well, he has been representing ukrainian interests for six years of the people, this is not the first time, serhiy, but to you a little less, and to you the question serhiy, and what do you think, why, for example, his godfather andriy yermak only now, against the background of the events in the dnipro , reacted to tyshchenko's behavior, he could have done it earlier after... the previous scandals, what is the reason why this reaction took so long, i will agree with igor here, there must have been a wave of different incidents with mykola thailand and you... before that you titrated, they told people, probably already some time, he was covering him all this time time you want to say? well, no, i think that

somewhere it is possible after his extreme rants, excuse the slang, there was probably some kind of agreement that the next time would be the last time, well, i don’t know, you should ask andrii borisovych, after all, you are people deputies, you must have some kind of vision and assessment of its value. look, i have a very simple assessment, approximately the same as it is now in society, i do not share these scandals that are happening in the parliament, neither bezuchola, nor tyshchenko, nor anyone else, i would like people to be elected, yes and nicholas the people chose, they chose in the district, people looked a little deeper into what they were voting for, who they were voting for, what steps, well, they voted for volodymyr zelenskyi, for his team, to be more precise? yes, yes, well, now, i can definitely say that i have a reaction similar to that of the society of the ukrainian people,

but we are colleagues, i agree here, moreover , somewhere we overlap, there are some joint meetings there, whether it is the tsc, whether it is some regulation, whether it is a committee meeting, or a plenary meeting in the session hall, well, that is we, well, i look at all this, yes, i didn't want to either. i would like such representatives of the people to be in the session hall, i do not have and my faction does not have any mechanisms to deprive such people of their mandates, and i do not have the ability to convince people, go, do not vote for that, well, i understood, i i understand, the last question for mr. fries, please tell me why, from your point of view, tyshchenko has not been kicked out, for example, from the transport committee, where he is the deputy chairman of the committee. uh, i'm not ready for you to say in the procedure for terminating the membership of the relevant people's deputy in the committees, i am not a major specialist in

the corresponding law on committees of the verkhovna rada, but it seems to me that there is no corresponding procedure, this resolution must be voted by the verkhovna rada, and not by the committee itself, i.e. termination of the activity of a people's deputy in the committee, this is the prerogative of the verkhovna rada and the corresponding resolution must be registered, this is the first question, you know, i would like to draw your attention to something... tyshchenko, as well as other similar cases today, in many of our colleagues, lawyers, people's deputies, who are also lawyers, lawyers, caused some other thoughts, namely, let's say, the possibility of disclosing such information and the legality of disclosing such information, how investigative actions are carried out , this happens not only with people's deputies, it happens with the media. citizens, this is happening with officials, are you talking about the searches of the sbi or what are you talking about now? i am talking about the dbi searches, it is absolutely true, precisely the information that is the secret of the investigation,

she is somewhere lately for for i can't understand for what purpose, whether it is happening with the purpose of inflaming, inflaming the situation, or it is happening with the purpose of showing that the investigative bodies are really doing something, but in my opinion, the dissemination of information that... is the secret of the investigation, including the video recording that takes place during the relevant investigative actions is inadmissible, and it should be a priori the main basis of the work of investigative bodies. if we start today, the european union starts negotiations with ukraine, the goal what is the accession of ukraine to european values, european rules of behavior of the european union, such things will definitely not be welcomed there. thank you very much, people's deputies, servant of the people, we talked about mykola tyshchenko and his future political prospects. well, the prosecutors are asking the court

to place tyshchenko under house arrest. tyshchenko says that there is no need for this, because he is not going to run away. hear what he had to say about it in the courtroom today. my fame is my weak point. if society needs and... why make a show, let's have a show after the victory, i promise you, i will make the best show in the world for you, it will be popular, fun, the same will be a beautiful picture, a story like all of you, all of you will smile, we will glaze, we will make up some new words, new terms, but after the war. well, actually, this was the performance of mykola tyshchenko today. in the court, where a preventive measure is chosen for him, this morning he was served with suspicion, and i will remind you once again that mykola tyshchenko, despite the fact that the verkhovna rada voted at one time a draft law which,

the law that foresees the absence of parliamentary immunity, in fact , it is unrealistic to immediately implement this law and the case, because first there must be a certain responsibility, the court must issue a verdict, and only then the people's deputy can lose his mandate. if now the trial will continue, conditionally speaking, there for two months, three months, a year or even two, then no one can force mykola tyshchenko to submit a deputy's mandate, he can remain a deputy, well, as long as he is allotted. well, one more time let me remind you that mykola tyshchenko is a majority deputy, he was elected from a district in kyiv, this is the district of borshchagivka, svyatoshynskyi district, and actually, but for some reason , tyshchenko's attention, including his activities, was very often focused outside of kyiv, in recent years, for example , it was transcarpathia. volodymyr fasenko, a political scientist, joins our broadcast. vladimir, i congratulate you. i congratulate you. i asked the people's deputies, but i still did not understand the answer to this

question. what forced from your point of view. yarmaka at the last moment to renounce his godfather precisely after this skirmish in the dnipro, because before that mykola tyshchenko was noted for other scandals. no, well, there were a lot of scandals, but i will remind you, when we talked, well, on the radio, the truth is, on the radio nv with you last time , the stories with tyshchenko had also already begun, i somehow forgot, tyshchenko was excluded from the faction of the servant of the people and... was expelled from the party, i was reminded of this, by the way, by posting about this fact on social networks, so the reaction was there before, i don’t think that yermak is somehow there crushed tyshchenko, on the contrary, i think that all these scandals, conflicts, tyshchenko, they bothered yermak personally, including because he was constantly mentioned, yes, but now this is a red line, he attacked a former

military man, well ...behaved shamefully and , let's say, the person put himself outside the law, those photos that you are showing, by the way, you see, even in vain, the person is very, i would say, vain, and he tried to raise his status , to demonstrate how great he is, to forgive there with presidents, and with foreign figures, he is like that with everyone, but this is hypocrisy, and at the same time this is this freakiness, this is his essence, so why was he then taken in such a form as a servant of the people, please explain, one such , decisions were made hastily, at that time he was a well-known person, with enough media presence, there was a criterion for people who had not previously been a people's deputy to get into the verkhovna rada, the district you mentioned was already contested by serhiy leshchenko, leshchenko wanted to be a deputy from the servants of the people,

and... cooperated during the elections, as far as i know, with volodymyr zelenskyi's headquarters, but he was told no, because he was a people's deputy, and it doesn't matter that he was there in the opposition, and it doesn't matter that serhiy leshchenko is now in the president's team , everything is fine, that's how he is now, now, but this is exactly the example i am recording for you in order to make it clear that despite the fact that he worked, worked with zelenskyi's team, and was a people's deputy, that's why they said no. and i think that that one also worked in tyshchenko's favor the fact is that he is not a poor person, he is a businessman, he is famous, he has money, he financed his election campaign himself, but there were a lot of mistakes in the selection, i think that here is another mistake for you, here you also showed the time of a former people's , not the former or current people's deputy, they are together with mykola, well, there are a lot of them. there are many

examples when people, this, this happens within the walls of the verkhovna rada, but we have not seen leros arrange what mykola arranged outside the walls of the verkhovna rada, there are parties in kovit, and he is to blame for that nothing happened, the business trip to thailand, which means nothing happened, they were expelled, well, i told you, which means nothing happened, they expelled the person who went against his party, against his team, yes, they expelled him and... now what is the fundamental difference between breaking the law and attacking a former soldier is simply disgraceful in the conditions of war , this kind of work of a restaurant is not a violation of the law, it was not a violation of the law, no, look, this is a violation of administrative rules, rather , you can say that i do not accept it here legal