this is only what is prescribed in the institutes, it can be combined, fortification defense, positional defense, maneuverable, mobile defense, this is all called active defense , that is, this is the specialty of the commander, who can properly organize it and do the necessary things, but the main thing , that you don't need to prompt him, you don't need to climb up and tell him how to fight, those commandos, those commanders who are professional, and... and they should be like that, starting with battalion commanders and brigade commanders, people who have studied , they know what to do and, if awards or thanks are started there for the fact that you did not give some, nafig not to anyone who did not need a high-rise, but put a large number of lives there, then this is a very bad trend, it must be done somehow, well, not to stop, but at least to start a conversation. if such

a thing happens, although, well, you know , let's be honest, my friends, who are fighting in different places on the front line, tell me that sometimes not very pleasant things happen when the order to withdraw, and the withdrawal is already necessary, or does not come and has to to make decisions independently, well , actually, that's exactly why we raise these topics, because we don't want... the situation to reach the point when, when this trust falls so much that, well, ukraine cannot win, it cannot, without trusting his army, not trusting his commanders, starting with the supreme commander-in-chief of president zelensky and ending with a sergeant, a master sergeant who leads, for example, in an attack, mr. oleksiy, thank you very much for this conversation, oleksiy hetman was with us a russian-ukrainian veteran war, major national guard in retirement. dear friends, we are going to take a short break, and then we will talk about... about mobilization under the new

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are said every thursday at 21:15 in the project by velikiy lviv on the espresso tv channel. dear friends, as promised, now we will talk about mobilization under the new legislation, lyudmila denisova, human rights defender, head of the ukrainian center for the protection of human rights, joins us. mrs. lyudmila, we are glad to welcome you. good morning. mrs. lyudmila, is there an appeal from your ukrainian center for the protection of human rights? people, perhaps also in relation to mobilization. according to the new legislation and what these appeals are about, by the way, i can tell our viewers that the ukrainian center for the protection of human rights has a hotline, and you can contact them if you have a question, ms. lyudmila, now there are many questions

about - first, it concerns conscripts, who exactly are conscripts, how to update military registration data, these are guys. who are currently under 25 years of age and who are not subject to conscription for mobilization, they can only voluntarily go into service for contract you should know that by july 18 of this year, all conscripts, conscripts, and reservists are required to update their accounts. p how it can be used what conscripts can update online through the application rezerv+ we had a question that how can guys who study abroad, who are now 19 years old, can do this right now

can apply this application reserve plus, from june 18 this year an electronic military registration document was declared in the rzs application. qr code, which is equated to paper, so it needs to be done, and it can be shown at the request of the tsksp, or the police, or border guards, and it will be taken into account, or the conscripts can come offline to the entire tsksp or via snap. it should be borne in mind that they cannot force conscripts to pass the vlk, this is only if this person. will take up the service on a voluntary basis, but here we have many questions regarding three categories of guys who are under 25 years old, but are required to serve in the military, and it should be borne in mind that those who are not

currently 25 years old are required to serve in the military, but they went through military service department and are reserve officers, if they are not currently studying for a master's degree, then they will be... mobilized, unless of course they have any reason for postponement, these guys who have served their military service, well, for example, they were 18 , they went to serve in the 20th year, they were discharged in the 21st, now they are 22 years old, they are obligated to the military and can be mobilized, and one more category, very similar, you know, today we have a flurry of such questions, this in relation to those... then in relation to when they were assigned to conscription stations, even for under the old legislation, they were assigned the status of unfit for military service in peacetime, or of limited fitness in wartime, they are also conscripted under this

law on military service, i.e. they need to pass the vlk by february 4, 25, if they will... be recognized as suitable, then if they are already 20 years old, they will be, can be mobilized, if they do not have any family reasons, etc. i believe that there is a social injustice in this, because those who did not serve does not have a military accounting specialty and was not recognized as limited fit, they cannot be mobilized until the age of 25, and these can, therefore , a bill has been registered in the verkhovna rada by a group of people's deputies, which provides for a postponement of military conscription. service for those who were recognized as limitedly fit until june

24th, a postponement until, if they are recognized as fit for the vlk, then a postponement will be granted to them up to 25 years, so it will be fair, and that is why i am the people's deputies that we will have to vote, i ask for your support draft law number 11379, because here according to the age of... for example, they got into some kind of situation that they were taken somewhere there to the tsk, vlk and so on and

so on, that is, as if the first electronic documents have already appeared, which are already electronic documents, do you have many such requests that a person seems to have registered, that is, he submitted his address, his status, well , accordingly, he should already be somehow mobilized in a normal way, yes, but then he was somehow mobilized in a random way, let's call it that , is it. ago that so people turn to the matter that they did everything right, that they already look, that they have this electronic document with a qr-code, but it is not taken into account, for example, by the tccsp or the police. here i think that the state bodies that are responsible for, well, for example, the tccsp, it is a dry food for the troops, the ministry of defense, do not complete the work . against the awareness of employees, so that these people who have the full right

to use this electronic ticket, which is equated to a paper ticket, do not suffer, and there is still a problem such that, for example, a person has submitted documents and has the right to a postponement, but they can also be sent to the vlk, here everyone should know what is being considered. commission, if you submitted a complete package of documents on time and you have the right to a postponement while the commission is considering, which is 7 days, your documents, you have no right to be mobilized or sent to the vlk, because then such actions must be reported to senior management , whether it's the department of defense or the army or in court, i understand that it's difficult. but you still need to know your own rights and use them. what is the period

of deferment from mobilization? you know, this is a very valid question. a lot of people will say now that they gave me time off only for one and a half months. it should be borne in mind that the postponement is granted for a period as long as the relevant grounds for such a postponement are valid. for example, a person has the right to have three children. for a postponement from mobilization, it acts as a basis, only such a term, when the oldest child has not yet turned 18, but there is such a law that it is provided for no more than the term of mobilization, that is, every time there is a presidential decree that extends, for example, three months of mobilization, now... that presidential decree is valid until august 11, and therefore, if a person goes to

the tccsp today, they will examine the documents, then they will give with proper grounds for adjournment, only adjournment until august 11, what to do after that, a person needs to either apply electronically to this commission or in person to extend this adjournment when there are new ones. the decree of the president and from august 11 mobilization will be extended for another 3 months, it is necessary follow up on it and file in time to extend the adjournment, and... otherwise it could be a problem, ms. ludmila, thank you for the clarification, we hope that our viewers have benefited from this conversation, and if there is more in they have questions, they can eventually voice them to the hotline of the ukrainian center for the protection of human rights, now we will show you once again the phone number 0800

33307 09, we will show you whether it is on your screens, dear friends. we are going for a short break, we will come back and continue further in principle, we are talking about mobilization, let's talk about economy booking, is it possible in what form, you know, i mean, you know, i wanted to say that there is no pause, now we don't have a pause, we are told, listen, there is fresh news , a petition appeared on the portal of the verkhovna rada of ukraine about the removal of the powers of a people's deputy. and mykola tyshchenko is on the website of the verkhovna rada itself for raiding, now i will say for sure in connection with his moral behavior, raiding, racketeering, abuse of official position, exceeding the authority, it took less than a day to gather more than 25 thousand votes, after that there should be an official

answer, and here people who carefully read the text of the petition noticed that a... that this is a petition, an acronym and the letters if the beginning of each sentence are made up of some kind of message, i will leave it up to you, if you are interested, read it, dear friends, and in the meantime, we will add to the conversation oleg penzyn, an economist, a member of the economic discussion club, yesterday she prevented us from talking, electricity or rather the lack of it, there was a bad connection, a short conversation came out of it, mr. olezh, we continue it today, we are glad to see you, each other, we are very glad to see, we continue about the economy reservation, about which there are so many discussions, are we the last, well, when we

were talking, one of our viewers actually asked if 20 thousand is not too much, for example, and whether we, in principle, business can pull this economic booking within the framework that is currently being considered, is it normal idea? see, actually with a certain thing changed yesterday, well , look at the statement of one of the people's deputies - who said that in connection with the extremely large - shortage of funds for financing defense security, there are no good solutions to increase revenues to the state budget, we are left alone bad, ugh, and now you and i are considering its

bad, very bad and extremely bad, well , that is, let us clearly understand that - without money there will be no war, without money there will be nothing, and based on these things, actually the question of economic defense is, i will say, probably not very good, but it is not a question of justice, it is a question of money, and whether 20 thousand is much or little, well, we all live in ukraine, you and i know approximately how much in real in reality you need... money in order to live, well, a month, uh, i don't take a pension for a pensioner there, because that, well, i will play the good and the bad, that is, i won't even discuss it, i'm talking, an average, able-bodied man, let's

talk about a man, ugh, age somewhere about 30 plus there, huh. which for a normal stay in, well, at least in kyiv is more expensive, probably a little cheaper in lviv, well , that is, there are different options, but it’s still somewhere around 35-40 00 uah, i think that no one will argue with me very much, but definitely less is possible, but if you are renting an apartment, if you have, well, certain desires related to... some kind of free time, if you have gadgets that need to be bought, repaired, i don't take only for food, i take for the entire complex of your existence, that is, on average. so somewhere roughly, it is earned, uh, uh, due to various mechanisms there, taxes are definitely paid, maybe about half, we

are talking about working legally, and when they say that the average salary is 25,000 in the country, then this is the average salary taken into account, that is estimates of just real and salary, look, the average salary is the one that is officially recorded and on which taxes are paid, but we with... we perfectly understand that during the month a person in any case works something, some there, maybe somewhere there, i'm not i know, he charges somewhere, maybe he helps fix something somewhere for a few pennies there, that is, well, i , uh, well, at least among my acquaintances, it is so that a person comes home, does nothing else, well, she lives there somewhere there for an average salary, but she lives meagerly, huh, and if we also take into account that she has to pay... for renting housing, and today in kyiv housing is there, well, 10 thousand plus a month, and let's be honest, it's like economy class,

well, from this point of view, i repeat it once again, the average for, that is, a legal part of ours income, at the moment, it is somewhere, well, maybe... plus or minus half, maybe someone has more, maybe someone has less, so from this point of view, if we take approximately the amount that is needed in order to, well lives more or less normally in the same kyiv, then her idea of ​​economic reservation, which in reality will rely on business, ugh, that is, business must clearly understand if this person is very important for it from the point of view of preservation. performance of his business, he will look for opportunities to pay additional funds for this person, and there, look, the average salary there

is 36, and it is 20 thousand according to fop, ugh, that is, it is also a different moment there, that is, there are three draft laws, ugh, one draft law that applies exclusively to enterprises and organizations, the second draft law, there is only a third one, which actually unites ideologically. all directions and offers suggestions, again, this is up for discussion, it is not a final idea, especially if you carefully noticed that this bill did not even make it to the first reading in the session for the impression is that they are not in a hurry to approve at all, whether we are not facing some worst-case scenario, when economic defense will not be provided, and taxes will be tried to be raised, because even then part of the business is simply somehow evading optimism. and so on, and those who pay will now be forced to pay for everyone, in fact, there should be money for the war, to what level these taxes should be raised, if there is no economic browning,

well, look, that's actually what is now is being discussed, it will definitely not block even half of what is needed, uh, uh, an increase of 2-3% value added tax, that is, we will pay not 20, but 23, roughly, yes, uh, uh. well, it will add 60-70 billion, well, 80 a year, uh, uh, excise on tobacco, on alcohol, on fuel, well, it won’t take much, well, let’s say 40-50 billion plus, military levy on fops plus 5% , they don’t pay the military levy at all today, uh, uh, well, well, let it be there, well, in any case, let’s... well, 150-170 billion, the real need today is under half a trillion, well, i ’m saying, somewhere half, half out of need

well, that is, it is either, well, we must understand the following with you: there is a limit to the conscious tax, well, that is, you can make a tax of 100% and no one will pay it for sure, uh, that is, in any logic of increasing taxes there is... understanding the limit above which the penalties for non-payment will be less than the payment of the tax itself. not to mention, not to mention the various, for example, collusion stories, kickbacks, bribes and so on, yes, because as for me, as for me, what is being discussed today is the maximum that theoretically possible. once again, i repeat what you and i said yesterday, i can't see it today. it will be in some normal history

how much it can theoretically give us additional value per year, i am operating with the figures announced by the people's deputies themselves, this is an additional plus 200-250 billion, if not even a little more, that is, it is an amount that can cover half of that need, and together with raising taxes, it will close the half a trillion that are needed, that is, i think that economic reservation is inevitable, it's another matter, how quickly politicians do it... will go, mr. oleg, thank you, oleg penzyn, economist, member of the economic discussion club, was with us, dear friends, stay with us, one more hour ahead, attention, a good offer, order a smart light bulb at a special promotional price, only 149 uah, durable, reliable and so powerful, and the price is only uah 149, in stores ordinary light bulbs cost more than uah 250, and

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