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dear friends, we are continuing our marathon for the final half hour, and in this half hour we will now talk about the demographic situation in ukraine, and we will also talk about the anonymous telegram channel joker. for now, we want to remind you that you still have half an hour to donate to our collection. our collection is for the wonderful guys who are currently in the hell east defending us, and now on your screens. two two possibilities, how it can be done, two possibilities: monobank for those who have a monobank card and want to make a payment there, on the right is a qr code and below it is the card number, and on the left, if i face the screen, is the card number and qr- code, according to the private bank, so far the account is such that almost 30,000 to modobank 28 and 21 thousand to...

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can be 500 hryvnias, it all depends on how much you have and how much you don't mind paying to convey to our military, from the good news we have, america will allow american arms companies to work directly in ukraine with ukraine, in particular to service and repair, for example, the weapons system that is supplied, including. they will have the right to actually work on the territory of ukraine during the war, in addition, biden said that there will be no foot of the american military and there will be no americans in ukraine, but gradually, you know, it is being eroded so far, for now there are already military instructors, now there are already some military companies, scrap little by little, somehow this is how it happens, meanwhile. we

don't need the military, we need the military here with two legs, with two arms and with a head on his shoulders, president zelensky, meanwhile , was recently in pokrovsk, and he released his video near the stele with the name of the city, let me remind you that pokrovsk is now the direction in which the russians are rushing, they have concentrated their forces there, and he arrived there together, i mean zelenskyi with commander syrskyi and... the general who is in charge, well, let's listen to the president, dear ukrainians , ukrainian women, started this day in donetsk region together with our soldiers, together with head sirsky and the new commander of the united forces, general knatav, today officially introduced andriy hnatov to everyone who is responsible for the defense of... donetsk region, this is

a young man, but knowledge of the front, experience in it is just the way it is needed. the task for general hnatov is obvious - to destroy the occupier. and protect, it is very important, how the lives of our soldiers are most important, together with the commander today listened to reports directly from the positions, i was glad to personally see and thank our 110th brigade and 47th brigade, absolutely heroic, effective guys, i thanked our combat medics, boys, girls, who do the most important thing, stabilize the wounded, etc. it is very touching to see such dedication and desire to help, held a security meeting here in donetsk and support for people, a detailed meeting, many questions about life support, this is

the address of the president from pokrovsk, we will actually talk about life in ukraine and what is happening with the demo. graphy, the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on social policy and the protection of veterans' rights will hold a round table meeting today on the topic of the demographic situation in ukraine, the prospects for the nation's development, the creation of a demographic agency of ukraine, and let's talk about demography now sociologist andriy, andriy yaremenko, we are adding him to our ter sir andrii, we congratulate you, good afternoon, actually, what is the current demographic situation, where do we stand, we, we stand. in a very bad story, and it's not even just the result of the war, it's a perfect storm, we had a peak birth rate in 82, 84, it was a peak birth rate, after that it fell, then we had a demographic collapse in the 90s , i.e. these are

economic reasons, plus an echo of the second world war, then now those people who were born in... in the 90s, now is the time to give birth, i.e. people who are not enough now because of the war, they are giving birth to even fewer children, i.e., the small generation is giving birth to few children, and accordingly we are saving a lot, well, we are reducing, besides, we now have a mass of 17-year-old boys leaving abroad, even simply because of not because of the fear of mobilization . because of the fear that they will not be released, because in our country, 18 are not mobilized, they are simply not released, they left en masse abroad, accordingly, they socialize there, they create families there, well, actually, what does a healthy student do, this is also a mass phenomenon, it is reported, accordingly, their children will be in those

countries, well, and girls who look around them, they also have an urgent need to go, as boys have, but they also have opportunities, well the desire to go, because well, if there are no boys here, well, actually speaking, it is sad to live, if without not creating families, and that is, these are all the factors, they accumulated, they formed together and well, we have the perfect sport, now to get out of it we we need the average woman to give birth, at least 2.5-3 children, we don’t even have one, but... in fact there are none, one of the lowest, the lowest in general, recently we had a professor of medicine who said, who said exactly khmil, stefan khmil, stefan khmil yes, who said that we now have a coefficient of 0.8, and this is the lowest in the world, in principle, but we need at least

two with something, well, two commas and one, but although this is a reproduction, it is not a development, accordingly it will be give the following problems, because after... victory, recovery will begin, restoration will begin, construction will begin and so on, accordingly, people will come in, people who left ukraine, not all of them will return, especially those whom ukraine itself has already refused due to the fact that passports are not issued there, maintenance is done and so on, they will not return, their families will not will return, someone else will return in their place, and the question of who it will be, from which countries these people will come, and how it will change our, well , if the cultural environment, what will be the new... balance we, well, this is a separate issue that must be to think about which one should talk, but for sure you have to be prepared for the fact that people will come, well , far from our culture, and this will also be such an interesting challenge, as a sociologist, it's

interesting for me to watch it, how it will happen, but living in it there will be, well, maybe good, if we can find balances, if we can find normal representation. new people who will come, then, well, it will be good, if not, then very interesting times await us, well, if not as interesting as now after the war, because after all, it is a frontal war. more grief, but if there were difficulties, mr. andriy, we literally before you spoke with an expert on the labor market, and she said that the level of salaries plus the level of security in ukraine is such that there is not yet a huge queue of willing people from other countries who would come here to work, somehow improve their financial situation, if , for example, people from other countries will not come to us to work, and ukrainians will give birth less, what awaits ukraine in

such a case, well, i cannot continue these things linearly, because, well, the main reason is not without something in our country with the internet, now let's try to reconnect, well we hope that this is not unlocking the electricity, we must, must and think, what will happen next, how? i think, i am thinking about what mr. andriy said, about the fact that, perhaps, after the war, we will have to open the borders here and simplify some legislation in order not to terrorize many immigrants from foreign cultures, from other cultures, there the united states, for example, after all, this is an example where immigrants are essentially part of the nation, another, another story here, but the history of the united states, it basically consists of the fact that people moved, the states of the expression... were at the very beginning anglo-saxon, well, if

we include the irish and scots, who also emigrated to the united states and german, to the anglo-saxon mentality of some kind, we remember that even this was a debatable question at the time, when the united states was actually founded, what language will be spoken there, it is already with us, andrew, let's return it to ether, so mr. andrew, what awaits us if we are not allowed here... but cannot continue these topics linearly, because, for example, the topic of security is the main danger and the main discomfort, this is a missile that can fly towards us, including right now, this is the main one, the heat of danger, as soon as there is a victory, as soon as the hostilities are over, this factor will be removed, this is the first, this factor will definitely open up those people who are waiting to restore, this is also western money, this is also the money that, i hope, will still be ... as compensation from russia one way or another , these are investments that will go, this is

money , which will become pornographic, so salaries will immediately rise here, and the factor will decrease security, but for that, but raising salaries does not mean simultaneously increasing the birth rate, because, for example, one of the main requests to the birth rate, well , besides financial ones, is, for example, accessibility, accessible public transport, this is the presence of a ramp, this is the availability. .. a kindergarten near the workplace and so on and so on and so on, this is a huge number of problems that require, secondly, it is very important to make it so that our families give birth to a second child, that is, if people live with each other for a long time, they there they love each other well, they can dare to have their first child and they almost always dare, they may delay, but they dare, but when they have already gone through this path with their first child and they already know the pros and cons, the pitfalls , that is, what is the problem, they dare to have a second it is difficult and necessary to do those things that would allow and encourage the birth of

a second, third child and so on, these are separate issues, that is, it is necessary here, it is very complex, it is very complex, and continue like this in a linear fashion, so now we have bombs flying , that's why no one wants to go to us, let them fly bombs, yes, they don't want to go, yes, the bombs will stop flying, one of the factors that make them not want to go will be removed, so one cannot say so clearly here that we can physically work, well, in fact, until the end of our lives, because if no one is born, pension there will be no one to pay the contributions, accordingly we will be forced to work, and it is not a question of large or small contributions, it is a question of demography, therefore , accordingly, we return to medicine, but someone in childhood wanted to be like that. these are the people who can make this dream come true, only this one

the exoskeleton will be made of medical equipment that will transport us to the workplace and back, and this is also an important thing, i will sharpen a little, it is also an important thing, that is , it cannot be said so clearly here, but we really have, we have challenges and we have to solve somehow, otherwise, otherwise there will be bad things, mr. andriy, thank you, andriy yaremenko, a sociologist was with us, we talked about... the demographic situation, i know, continuation, while we will now move on to the next conversation, let's talk about the tv channel this joker, not a tv channel, but a telegram channel, you are raising him already, i wanted to say something. to say about what you know, i remember the spring of 22, and the situation at the front is still unclear, what and how, and we wrote an interview with pavel sheremet, a former minister still in the government, in yatsenyuk's government, it seems, and , and he said about what he was saying about these things,

about demographics, that the biggest problem really that the war is having right now, other than ... the war itself, of course, is the catastrophic demographic situation, and the fact that we have millions of people now they leave the cordo, cross the borders, stay there, and on v at that moment, everyone was a little bit off, you know, we all thought that the russians would not storm kiev and so on, but economists actually saw this problem and even then it was actually possible to think about something, i then asked a simple question , what needs to be done in order for the people who left to return? not to go to them after the war, but for them to return here, and the answer was that if we do not make better conditions for work and business here than those in the countries where they are, these people will not return, so we it is necessary to change these working conditions for the introduction of business and life right now, without waiting for the end of the war, because when the war ends it will be too late, because people

will have to decide what they are doing, and it will be possible to conduct business normally when will not be, for example, in telegram channels. to hunt for business owners, as is done, for example, on the anonymous telegram channel joker, the owner of which, as journalist and investigator yaroslava volvach investigated, is roman kravets, we will talk about this in this investigation with yaroslava volvach herself, she joins our conversation, yaroslava, we are glad to welcome you, we dare you, colleagues, good day, ms. yaroslava, you know, yesterday, when we... touched on this topic a little, someone from the audience wrote in the chat, and this roman kryvets, this is sometimes not a journalist of ukrainian truth, and we said: "no, this is not a journalist of ukrainian truth, it is actually number 153 on the lists to the verkhovna rada from the servants of the people." you even managed to communicate with that roman kravets, the one who is not a journalist, tell us who he is, what does it breathe, what kind of one is it? well, look, we not

only managed to communicate, we continue to communicate with him to this day. this correspondence continues, well, that is, one of the last chats in my whatsapp is a correspondence with him until now, well, if we talk about what this correspondence is about, then look, actually i invited mr. roman to an interview with me, for a public one, because he claims that what we made public is not true, no evidence of the postscript can be provided. that's why i, as a journalist who is ready to cover his point of view, invited him for an interview, that i'm ready to do it publicly, i invite him to an interview publicly, and i'm ready to show, this will be his first appearance in the pandemic space, so i would be very happy if he would come, er, about er, who he and

what he does for a living, look, yes, he is really number 153 on the lists of the servant of the people party, oh... the microphone on the phone, see if you don't cover it with your finger, it's great, like yes, yes, you're better, great, yes , look, he is number 153 on the list of the servant of the people, in the material that came out in the public domain, we even tell the story of how he i got there when the former head of the president's office, andrii bohdan, was just flipping through the phone book, stop... all in the name of roman kravets, who was then an assistant, a person who dealt with various minor information issues in gennady korban's team, that's actually how they met. at these famous or infamous elections in chernihiv, when general grechka, as korban was called then, distributed money and grechka, and

there were also detentions with the police, yes, yes, yes, these are the epic elections of the 15th, yes, the 15th. year, this is the 205th district in chernihiv, then, kravets is quite young, there 20, for some reason, he gets to know korben's team, accordingly, he later begins to develop a warm relationship with andrii bohdan, and thus already in the 19th year, closer to the elections of the 19th year, he gets into the lists of the servant of the people party, and he does not enter the verkhovna rada, but this does not... does not mean at all that he does not have connections, friendships, any contacts and opportunities, actually then they start a telegram channel, the joker telegram channel. hennadiy korban and svitlana kryukova from of the pro-russian publication strana yua, they engaged in pranks then, and in fact they

wrote to representatives of the authorities from other representatives of the authorities in order to later publish it on the network, and roman kravets helped them, they really continued like this until somewhere in the 21st year, that is, until in the 21st year, they maintained influence over... their telegram channel, over its content, over what was happening there, but several of our sources, telling this story, actually used the word raiding, talking about the fact that roman kravets essentially became the sole owner of this telegram channel, and specifically we are talking about the fact that advertising began to appear on it, when i spoke to sources, they said that before this there was no advertising, as such frank, but like those... only this redistribution of influence took place, advertising began to appear, and this is how the telegram channel continues to exist in

the ownership of roman kravets to this day, he uses it, as colleagues from forps, actually found out before us, to put pressure on business or individual people, well, in particular, if you can still come in. mr. time, i want to clarify one more thing one question, you said in your own investigation in this investigation that there was some kind of surveillance on you and even one of the men said he was from security and it was his job to monitor you, how did security already know that you are you investigating this, is this surveillance going on now, is it legal in principle, uh, look, this is actually a very interesting story, and i sincerely hope that it will develop, because as of now, we have agreed with the security services , which we suspect was indeed a service security of ukraine, we still have no reason to somehow doubt this,

especially given that the people who approached us, who followed us, they did not hide it, and therefore, well, usually when they admit it , then it really could be so, on the other hand, the security service of ukraine officially says that... that it did not follow us, yesterday they contacted me, explained that it was not them, so we will continue to monitor whether we are being tracked, and in fact, we will try to identify specifically those people who are engaged in and are behind this, because roman kravets himself really has security, he does not hide it, although he claims that it is private, but he cannot provide any evidence of the existence of private security. therefore , the issue with the security is not closed, it will have its own development, i hope that the representatives of the telegram channel of trukha were at the meeting in

the president's office, or this telegram channel, the anonymous joker, well, it is not anonymous anymore, because we know that its owner is roman tailor, he is connected with the president's office, a minute in us, look, all our interlocutors that we have, and this is as of the moment of release. monitoring, there are about 20 sources from the president's office, the pro-ruling party, just top officials, now there are more sources, because after the investigation was released , people started writing, by the way, i encourage everyone who wants to write, so, so yes, everything says that he is quite close to the president's office, mrs. yaroslava, thank you for the investigation and for the conversation, yaroslava volvet, journalist, investigator, author of the investigation about roman kravets, who is by the owner of anonymous... for you, see you tomorrow well atp espresso continues, stay with

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