during this year's struggle in congress for aid to ukraine, trump said that this aid should be provided in the form of a loan, not a grant. we 're looking at it right now, and they're talking about it, and we're thinking about doing it as a loan, not just a gift. we continue to give away billions and billions of dollars worth of gifts. trump says that europe should provide a greater share of aid to ukraine, but if re-elected, trump will not want to become president. who lost the war - says former us ambassador to ukraine john herbst. we know that trump considers himself a strong leader, and he would not want to be associated with a foreign policy failure, and a russian victory in ukraine, if trump is president, would look very much like a foreign policy defeat. trump's republican party is divided on the issue of ukraine, some of its leaders consider the war a major threat to the security of the united states, while others say that support for ukraine. not only diverts resources

from more important challenges in the world and at home. for many representatives of the republican foreign policy establishment, russia appears to be a declining power, and thus the russo-ukrainian war is, from their perspective, a conflict that needs to be resolved as quickly as possible so that it does not deplete the security resources of the united states. as president, biden leads an international coalition. which coordinates military aid to ukraine. the us has approved more than $175 billion in military and other aid to ukraine since the start of the full-scale invasion. biden says america will resist unjust and unprovoked aggression as long as it lasts necessary. if the united states leaves, it will put ukraine at risk. europe will be under threat. the free world will be in danger. this is only at the behest of those who want to harm us. biden partially lifted

restrictions on ukraine's use of american weapons against military facilities in russia. experts believe that the policy of the biden administration during a possible second term regarding military aid will remain unchanged, because it is dictated by national security issues. however, biden may have more freedom to amplify economic pressure on russia - says professor of the catholic university of america michael kimech. it is not that they define their own. election-based foreign policy is somehow so straightforward, but there are certain constraints that will be very different in the second term, when biden can no longer run for re-election in 2028, he will be a little more free. the differences in the candidates' views on ukraine reflect differences in their approach to russia. trump seeks to improve relations with moscow. biden implements the policy of isolating russia through it.

tatyana voroshko, oleksii osyka, voice of america. tanya, thank you for this analysis. let me remind you that tetyana voroshko was in touch with us. meanwhile, today it finally became known that the next secretary general of nato will be the prime minister of the netherlands, mark rutte. the alliance countries officially approved his candidacy. the decision was made by the ambassadors of all 30-two nato member countries at a meeting at the alliance headquarters in brussels. mark ryuta should start his duties at... october we will talk in more detail about what to expect from the new nato secretary general with radio liberty correspondent zoryana stepanenko, who joins our broadcast from brussels. zoryan, i congratulate you. so, first of all, yes, what can we expect from mark rut in his new position, what is his reputation in europe in principle? i congratulate ostape mark rutte , a respected and quite influential european politician. first, because of his experience, he is a record holder . position

he has ruled the governments of the netherlands in their various configurations since 2010. known in particular for what he was able to do to unite one and a half dozen different parties that passed to the parliament. dutch politics is highly fragmented. taryut is considered a pragmatic master of compromises, and this skill will come in handy in brussels as nato secretary general. the year when his government, after the victory in the elections in the netherlands of the ultra-right, went to the... stake, and with it, accordingly, its leader, who became available for other proposals, made it known about the ambition to embrace ryuta. his candidacy immediately found support from the most influential members of the alliance, which was not the case for years could agree on jens stoltenberg's successor. the mandate of the current secretary general was extended several times despite his wish to say goodbye to these duties. but just as they do not change the captain during a storm, they did not want to experiment with the nato secretary general at a time when stability in the alliance should have been maintained against the background of the russian war in ukraine. the year will be delayed. stoltenberg was appointed

personally by joe biden. its current secretary-general said it was the last time. ryute's candidacy did not find immediate support from only a few members of the alliance: turkey, hungary, slovakia, romania. whose president klaus iohannis was among the contenders for this seat , and viktor orbán had just figuratively given up, iohannis withdrew his candidacy. the hungarian prime minister said that he had absolute guarantees that hungary would not become part of the alliance mission in ukraine, which the hungarian prime minister said was planned, although there was still a moment of personal relations, since orbán could have blocked ruta's candidacy, because the dutch prime minister was his staunch critic and in particular opposed the thawing. regarding ukraine and russia, what are his views and approaches here? ostap netherlands under the rule of rutte is in the top ten leading countries in providing military aid to ukraine, as you know, and

this country leads, in particular, the air coalition and gives ukraine f-16s, which it allows to strike on russian territory, and the dutch prime minister speaks favorably of volodymyr zelenskyi, at the same time noting that... ukraine cannot join the alliance as long as the war continues, and its troops cannot enter the territory of ukraine, as this, they say, will lead to the third world war. volodymyr rutte sharply criticizes putin, his beliefs were particularly influenced by the wreckage of boeing mh-17, 10 years ago, you know that most of the victims were citizens of the netherlands and the plane was shot down by pro-russian militants from the territory temporarily not under the control of the ukrainian authorities. since then, ryute actually began to criticize the russian federation more decisively. and he urged his eu colleague not to be naive about putin's russia - this is a quote and said that putin will not stop in ukraine, at the same time calling him not strong enough. volodymyr zelenskyi, congratulating ryuta on the new one today appointment, called him a strong and principled leader, and added that he expects

further cooperation. rute himself, commenting on today's decision of the ambassadors of the countries of the alliance, said that it was a great honor for him, as well as a responsibility that he does not take lightly, and spoke about the future secretary general. and dmytro piskov said in the kremlin that this choice is unlikely to change anything in the general line of the alliance, which, they say, is currently hostile to russia. zoryant is called a master of compromise, and it looks like he really knows how to find it common language with many leaders of nato countries also influenced the choice of allies in favor of the dutch prime minister. and what about his relationship with former us president donald trump, who is now the de facto candidate for the republican party. ostapa indeed, as you pointed out, rüte is famous for being able to find a common language with many current and former top officials. western media in particular write that he still sometimes sees, for example, angela merkel, and he has good relations, as with both the current president of the united states, joe biden, and his predecessor, donald

trump, who, as you noted, may return to the white house after the november election. the publication politico told the story of one of the contacts, when trump was indignant, being still an insufficient president. spending on their own defense by european countries, it was rut in 2018, the journalists write, who was able, so to speak, to appease the anger of the then president of the united states, who, as you know, still criticizes the allies for what he considers to be insufficient efforts in this direction. it is noteworthy that only this year the netherlands itself reached the long-agreed level of defense spending of 2% of gdp, and other cases are also mentioned by journalists, like ruute, with a polite smile. publicly denied to trump that there is nothing good in giving up transatlantic trade. in general , trump's call to increase defense spending. rutte was supportive, saying this year that the former us president was right to insist on it, and urged, quote: not to whine about

the prospect of his re-election, but to take care of one's own security in europe. reviewers mention feedback from trump to rutte himself, the 45th president of the united states once exclaimed that he quote: likes it. this guy. zoryano, thanks for this inclusion, thanks for the analysis. zoryana stepanenko, radio liberty correspondent. she was in touch with us in brussels. the state department reported the death of an employee of the us embassy in ukraine. state department spokesman matthew miller told journalists about this at a briefing, expressing condolences to relatives and close men. miller did not add to... this information about the circumstances of the diplomat's death, however, he emphasized that he died of natural causes and there are currently no signs of any malicious actions. meanwhile, a closed court trial began in russia against wall street journal journalist evan hershkevich, whom the russian prosecutor's office accuses of espionage. hershkovich has been in prison

for more than a year after he was arrested in march 2023. the wall street journal editorial office emphasizes that the journalist was only doing his job, collecting materials for... publications, the newspaper accuses moscow of the fact that the russian authorities deliberately imprisons americans in order to use them to exchange russians detained in the west. commenting on the trial of evan hershkovich, the decision. us department of defense matthew miller said he does not expect a fair trial, because the accusations against the journalist are false from the very beginning. the state department added that they will make every effort to return evan hershkevich home. and then we talk about activists in georgia who seek to highlight the atrocities of russian troops committed in their country during the 1990s. those tragic events, say georgian activists should have warned the world about the threat of russia long before it reached full scale. when the soviet

union collapsed in 1991 and the same year georgia declared independence in abkhazia and south ossetia, regions bordering russia, there were strained relations with ethnic minority groups. many georgians say that moscow has used these tensions to fuel the conflict. the founder of the campaign against buchi was abkhazia, tamara chergolyshvili blames russia for the war. wars began in georgia, which were called ethnic conflicts and civil wars war, but in fact it was russia that organized the whole mess of war and bloodshed in order to dismember georgia and prevent the newly independent state from becoming truly independent, truly sovereign, becoming a member of the western democratic world. russia denies these historical events and insists that it sent troops to abkhazia and south ossetia as peacekeepers. during the conflict between separatists. and georgians from 1989 to 1994 killed from 10 to 30 thousand people, the exact

numbers are unknown, more than 200 thousand were forced to leave their homes. those who survived conflict, local armed separatists, other militias and their russian allies are said to have committed numerous crimes and atrocities. taliko zarandiya remembers the murder of his neighbor's son. the militants arrived and rushed. upon us like wolves, they grabbed the boy and asked him how old he was, he said he was 15. then you deserve 15 bullets, they answered. then they shot him 15 times in the head. russia denies committing crimes, but the osce describes what happened in abkhazia as ethnic cleansing. the harrowing accounts of those who survived resemble the stories ukrainians after the full-scale invasion of russia in february 2022. in ukrainian cities. bucha and irpin, survivors, describe similar killings, rapes and torture, which russia also denies, despite

widespread evidence and mass graves. chergolyshvili says that ukrainian journalists turned to her to get information about what happened in georgia. we all knew that something terrible had happened in abkhazia, but everything was like death, no one wanted to go through it again, but the ukrainians made me read their material about abkhazia before publication, and i got goosebumps, and... in the united states and europe , documentaries and exhibitions are being shown detailing the horrors that happened in georgia. to remind the world and themselves of the forgotten victims from georgia, who suffered the same aggression that russia is carrying out against ukraine, to warn the west, if they don't stop russia in ukraine now, they will have to spend 100 times more. for the next 30 years. russia invaded georgia again in

2008 and continues to occupy 20% of georgia, including abkhazia and south ossetia. many georgians say their fate should have been enough of a warning about the danger posed by russia long before it invaded ukraine. yuri mamon, henry ridgewell, voice of america. according to the estimates of the world bank, for the complete demining of ukraine , at least years and at least 37 billion dollars. deputy minister of economy of ukraine ihor beskaravainy says: demining of ukraine involves the largest resources in the world, but no country has faced such a scale of the problem. a beskaravain veteran himself, in 2016 he was blown up by an anti-tank mine and lost his leg. therefore, no one understands why the territory of ukraine should be cleared of mines. iryna solomko spoke with the deputy minister. their interview, further. mr. igor, from the moment, probably, when ukraine received

the first such territories with changes, which are polluted, you can call them polluted, but two years have already passed there, very different numbers have been heard, nevertheless, how many territories are polluted in our country, how much has been achieved to clean them already, according to your estimates, and, because anyway, unfortunately, now kharkiv is gone, but, that is, as if there was a clean territory, now it is polluted again, that is, what is the dynamics of all this? we can talk about approximate numbers, very, very approximate. which were outlined after the kharkiv and kherson counteroffensive operations, then it was estimated that approximately very, very much. approximately, ah, there were potentially contaminated and such that required surveying 174, km, and these are areas where there may be danger, these are areas that need to be surveyed using satellite images using mobile teams, and this figure is currently 14,400 km, that is, in a year

, 30. territories were essentially freed, these are the territories where no danger was detected and they were returned to productive use, everyone is looking at some such new technologies , and what the ukrainians use there, and the russians against the ukrainians use, if we talk about mining in particular, do you see any, that is, how old school it is, yes, i mean, the russians work with these old methods there, or everything after all, they are something invent, and this greatly complicates the life of the ukrainian military? the principles of war, they have not changed for a thousand years, it is necessary to inflict damage on the enemy as much as possible, and an anti-tank mine, which may be 50 years old, but if it is professionally and qualitatively installed, it can be even more dangerous than the latest drone, and here we cannot say, that the methods they use are old school, well,

maybe yes, maybe it's old school, but it works, it's dangerous, and it's going to be dangerous for many, many years to come, so... the question here is how we use technology to speed up the demining process. if we talk about destruction and removal, unfortunately, so far there is no such thing as the latest super technology, a death star that will burn everything with a laser and it will all be there, it will not detonate, but it will unravel there, such a thing does not exist, but there is great progress precisely on the part that concerns the identification of danger, for example, we have guys called the society of researchers of ukraine, they have... have their algorithms to count the number of sinkholes on the field left in the artillery, the next step they taught to approximately determine the depth of these craters and the width of these craters, relying on scientific works on the study of meteors that fall to the ground there, they calculated the approximate calibers with which this

damage was inflicted, based on this we can understand , which is approximately effective there. the fact that the 152s are working and what will be the ratio of unexploded projectiles here in this field, there was literally a statement recently, before that there was one statement, then it was confirmed by the vice prime minister that ukraine had signed this deal, yes about the palantir company and about the artificial intelligence that will be used, that's what you said, is that an even higher level of really using the technology and what it can then be used for, palantir is a ferrari engine, but without fuel, without a road, without wheels, we cannot go anywhere, we can look at it as a work of art, but in order for it to go, we need data, data is the fuel for these systems, and therefore, collecting large arrays of data, palantir and i are building a pilot system together now

prioritizing what we will clean. first, second, third, fourth, fifth . what is the logic of this process? resources in the world and in ukraine, in particular, restrictions, resources for demining in ukraine are very, very many, we cannot do all the work at the same time, but it is very important for us to determine the territories that need to be demined first, and in order to it is determined quickly, we need systems that can process large sets of data quickly, but why... interested in this project because ukraine is now the largest testing ground for the latest technologies, all the latest technologies, without exception, that we have, that we use every day, came from the military sphere or from space, which actually was an element and continues to be an element of the military sphere, so everything that happens here is a great opportunity to get a quality mark, it worked in ukraine, so it

will work everywhere in the world, you already said that the huge problem is resources, yes... both human resources, and technological resources, and information resources, the ukrainian recovery conference just recently ended, they added another 35 million, yes, that is, to support humanitarian relief, and currently at least what is in the media, that it will be somewhere around 850 million, so ukraine will receive accordingly there on 22 - 27 years, that is, for five years, how do you evaluate this amount, and whether it is enough or not enough, the first calculation. efforts to calculate how much money ukraine needs for exchange were made by the world bank a year and a half ago, and there were, if i am not mistaken, 35 plus billion dollars, which ukraine needs for cleaning. of all territories within the borders of 191, but how much will it actually be, there is no such algorithm, there is no such formula by which you can calculate and say, it will cost

so much, because the closest equivalent in terms of the scale of the problem we can compare with the second world war, but during the second world war there was in principle no such thing as humanitarian demining, the clearing of territories after the second world war was carried out in a completely different way. other approaches, including the use of force prisoners of war, so to say that 850 million is very, very little, it is not true, it is a huge amount, there are currently about 4 thousand specialists working in ukraine who are involved in field operations every day, we currently have 42 companies with operator status in ukraine mine action activities, and in general in... if i am not mistaken, more than 80 mechanized demining machines, no one in the world has such a resource, but in fact no

one in the world has such a problem, and whether it is a lot, it is extremely many, it is extremely great strength, 4,000 specialists who know how to do everything a day to work with explosive objects, but is it enough, no, not enough, because well, we have no plan and no desire... to work for hundreds of years to make the area safe, secure, can we do it very quickly? no, that's not true either, we can't, we can't demine the whole of ukraine very quickly, but we can reduce the impact of dangerous objects on the life of an average ukrainian as much as possible. and with that, we say goodbye, good night and good morning.

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today in the program is the verdict. the finished project of the union of europe. ukraine is on the way to full membership in the european union. how long will the european integration journey last and

will it also lead to nato. world-class war criminals. the international criminal court has issued arrest warrants for former russian defense minister shoigu and chief of the general staff gerasimov. who else could be charged and what could be the actual punishment? house arrest for the deputy. the court chose mykola tyshchenko as a preventive measure after the scandal involving the beating of a former soldier. in dnipro, who will bear political responsibility for the dubious actions of politicians from the president's team? i remind you, my name is vasyl zema, who has now joined our air, this is the verdict program, but today i will be its host and for the next two hours we will discuss many important topics, well, plus we will, of course, report on what will happen during our air, well,

but... let's start that's why on june 25, as part of another exchange of prisoners, ukraine managed to return 90 soldiers from russian captivity. we are watching a poignant video of the homecoming of our defenders. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. glory to ukraine.

of course, i would really like it as soon as possible all our military men have returned from captivity, both military men and civilians, and kidnapped children, russia has caused a lot of trouble, well, besides the fact that it keeps our military men captive, it does not keep them under the geneva convention, it tortures them, evidence of torture, they are almost non-existent, and everyone who returns from russian captivity, a military man says that he was tortured, and the survey, we are asking about that today, do you have any? alternative sources of electricity for your home, very interesting, by the way, to know how ukrainians are preparing for the cold, because there are still a few months, it is already autumn, so yes 0.800 211 38 1, if you do not have alternative sources of electricity, then please call 0800 211 382, ​​please include such a practical question ,

you know, not political or anything like that. what can be hyped, but it is very practical, interesting, valentyna livaychenko, people's deputy of ukraine from batkivshchyna, secretary of the verkhovna rada committee on integration, will spend the next few hours with us in an interesting conversation of ukraine to the eu, former head of the sbu in 2006, 2010 and 2014-2015. mr. valentin, i congratulate you, good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. well, regarding the integration into the eu, i immediately want to ask, well, start with the fact that... ukraine is starting real, actual, as president volodymyr zelenskyi said, negotiations on joining the european union, different terms are called: from seven to 10 years , from two to five, someone says that in general everything can happen much faster, what is the reality of how long these negotiations will last and what is this, well, where does ukraine have a job.