the question about the polish patriots is a false question, because unfortunately we only have two patriot batteries. yes, we don't have them anymore. because of this, we cannot afford to open our sky. but the americans stationed in poland have several batteries, so the protection by one american battery announced by president biden will be essential for ukraine. and i understand that the americans made such a decision, but it cannot end there, since president zelensky expects more and has right in these expectations, those who have such advanced systems, i mean our nato allies from the west, should put their air and missile defense systems in place, well, we know that there is, for example, spain, there are many other countries that have patriot systems, and we understand that they may not need them as much as we do. this is how we understand that russia

has begun to conduct the so-called syrian approach to the war, which means strikes on civilian cities, on civilian objects, killing civilians, this is barbarism, this an atrocity, but the russians are going for it, and accordingly, the key task is to convince our western friends and allies to help us strengthen, as you rightly noted, our anti-flood defense, and accordingly, there are patriots in many countries, but it is difficult to get them . and this is not only a question of money, maybe there are some additional tools besides purely moral ones, well, but the russians are killing the people of kharkiv, for example, they hit the supermarket, on the weekend, there were people and they dropped a guided aerial bomb, this is barbarism, this is an atrocity , but it happened. it is not a matter of recent days, it is a matter of two whole years of that terrible, cruel war that putin started against ukraine. i am aware of that, and many of my friends and girlfriends...

everyone, not all of course, that this is a war to destroy the ukrainian state, it is not just a war for territory, it is a war whose primary goal is the destruction of ukrainian statehood, but also to destroy the ukrainian people, and this is not the first time that the russians are trying to destroy the ukrainian people, because they have already done it in the past, at least remember the holodomor, it was the biggest an example of that in stalin's times. so there are two goals of putin when it comes to ukraine. and about that, most of us have no doubt that if we can convince others that putin has two more goals left that directly affect europe and directly to nato, then it might be easier to pursue the kind of weapons you're talking about, because the next two goals putin is the destabilization of europe and the paralysis of nato. once again, the destabilization of the european union and the paralysis of the north atlantic alliance.

some of us are aware of this, but again, not all. in this regard, your rhetoric should ensure that the consciousness of the four goals that putin has set for himself, once again, the destruction of the ukrainian state, the destabilization of nato and the destabilization of the eu, the paralysis of nato and the destruction of the ukrainian people, which are all goals, which threaten not only the residents of kharkiv, kyiv or lviv, but also threaten the residents of madrid, lisbon . side, a joint decision of the nato member countries, well at least on the european continent, because in a few months the situation in the united states may change, and we do not know what the situation in the united states will be when donald trump becomes president, but president macron is already preparing for certain scenarios. in lithuania, in latvia, estonia are also

preparing for certain additional scenarios, as far as i understand, in poland they are preparing for what may happen, we understand that russia does not need to curtail its aggression, because they are involved in the so-called long war, and a long war means large resources, a large number of losses, and we understand who, in the event of something, will be the first additional victims of russian aggression, are these the above countries, poland? lithuania, latvia, estonia. we have not realized this since today, that there is a threat from russia, but it is good that nato now has a broad understanding of this. please note that during the summit in madrid, a new strategic concept was adopted, in which it is said, here i am speaking from memory, that russia is the immediate and main threat to the entire north atlantic alliance. not only for the eastern poland, lithuania, latvia and

estonia, and for the whole of nato. so over the years, this awareness has taken root, and secondly, the decisions made at the same time are important. nato, namely increasing the level of cooperation with ukraine to the nato ukraine joint council, where ukraine has the right to participate in decision-making. this is no longer a nato-ukraine commission, it is a nato-ukraine council. thirdly, the fund that nato created to support ukraine, and which will be increased within nato by the european union, is also important. i repeat everywhere that the eu has experienced a copernican revolution. i deal with the eu from 1994. and i have never seen the european union act so quickly and so decisively as in the ukrainian issues, never before, maybe in the coronavirus issues, the union was also decisive, but now i spoke at a conference here in lviv that if it is usual eu decision-making stretches for

two months and three months, and sometimes even longer, as for the issues of ukraine, they are taken for two weeks, from two to three weeks, it is like this... the speed is the same as in the relation of formula 1 to mercedes, also the eu decided to provide financial support transfer of weapons and military equipment for ukraine. who would have thought that the eu would be involved in such things, it has never been done before. they even used a special mechanism for what is the european peace facility, from which money goes to reimburse funds for the transfer of weapons and military equipment to those countries that do it. then the eu was directly involved in the supply of weapons and combat equipment, that is , ammunition for the ukrainian military, which is fighting. and finally, the third point, this is a whole system of sanctions, both eu and american, which by agreement worked much faster, because the european union launched the first package of sanctions on

the eve of february 24, that is, before the start of russia's second invasion of ukraine. if you are asking about those sources of military aid, then... obviously, you have to remember the americans, who delayed for a long time. it was a very long pause, but in the end, the us congress allocated those 60 billion dollars for purely military aid to ukraine, and they are already being implemented. so ukraine is not left to fend for itself, neither by the states, nor nato, nor the eu, no by individual countries, such as poland, which has been a donor of weapons and ammunition for ukraine since the first days. and such countries that joined. so we understand that the story about the polish-ukrainian joint brigade is extremely important, it was created and you, one of the co-authors of it, and accordingly wanted

to ask what it is, where it is, how it is now and whether there are chances to finally create a powerful , you know, a military unit of the triangle of poland, lithuania and ukraine. there was such an evening when i was sitting at a table covered with papers and in a certain moment received information about what is happening with the polish-ukrainian and polish-lithuanian battalions, because such battalions used to function, especially with regard to the military mission in kosovo or in bosnia and herzegovina. and i thought to myself, why not make a joint polish-ukrainian-lithuanian brigade? why not transfer these three lines of cooperation to the military sphere as well. in connection with that, i have certain copyrights. copyright for this project, we discussed it with colleagues and presented it to the ukrainian side and the lithuanian side this idea, and it was accepted with approval both in vilnius and in kyiv. at the end of 2009 , we signed a memorandum of understanding in this case with the ukrainians and lithuanians, and in

a few years the brigade was ready to carry out operations, and it has existed for about 10 years, only at this moment since the start of another war. russia against ukraine, it gained additional meaning. i can only say that it is involved in supporting ukraine with weapons and ammunition and is doing it effectively. but it is also worth saying that this is not enough end, that is, there are the following levels of military integration into ukraine. and i believe that such a brigade should be raised to the rank of a division, and that division should consist of brigades, which would be assigned separately. countries, and perhaps in the future it would be possible to create a corps that would include divisions of individual countries. the problem is only with the lithuanian side, due to the fact that it has a smaller armed force, but there is no problem with the ukrainian and polish sides, such a corps or such a division, and then the corps makes

sense, because it is an excellent transfer all the knowledge about how nato works, to the ukrainian and lithuanian military, but at this moment after... experience from the battlefield, from a real war, because it is a terrible, but real war, transfer is possible in the other direction as well. now we in nato can learn a lot from you, my conclusion. is such that until ukraine becomes a formal member of nato, such channels of communication must be created so that nato soldiers learn from ukrainians, and ukrainians from nato soldiers, and to integrate these armed forces as much as possible. yes, an extremely important signal, i heard you, well we are keeping our fingers crossed that the division will really rise first, and then maybe the corps, but if we talk about such small steps, president macron began to speak. about the prospects of having foreign instructors on our territory, we understand

that these will not be the people who will try to teach ukrainians to shoot, so ukrainians shoot no worse than the french or poles, but we are talking about the possible maintenance of high-precision objects, this military airfields, yes, because we are waiting and we are hoping for f-16 aviation, french mirages, that is, there is such hope, but this story drags on for quite a long time. and we understand that this is also a question of pilots, and a question of air defense systems, which should cover airfields, cover military airfields, because the enemy, first of all, of course, will have somewhere to aim at the locations of aircraft deployments. there are several coalitions that should work better, or one of them - the aviation coalition. let's list for consistency, there is an armed coalition, a coalition on ammunition issues, the czech initiative is a coalition, which we have already mentioned mentioned, anti-aircraft and anti-missile

systems, i.e. anti-missile coalition. poland occupies a leading position in the armored coalition and has transferred a lot of armored vehicles and troop transporters to ukraine. the czechs occupy a leading position in the coalition on ammunition issues. i hope that the first batch of ammunition collected in that czech initiative will arrive as soon as possible. i mean linden. this year. there is also an aviation coalition, the launch of which is the most difficult, because the training of ukrainian pilots on the f-16 took some time, even longer. but now, since as far as i know, those planes have already been transferred to ukraine and i hope that in the near future this aviation coalition will really support your air power, because the skies over ukraine must be better protected. so. with whom i agree, well, but if we speak tentatively in terms of terms, that is, you feel that in the next

couple of months our skies will be covered by f-16s or mirages or some other additional aircraft. i hope for this, since the simple one that was in the supply of military weapons may not be simple, but it is significant the reduction in the amount of equipment and ammunition, especially artillery ammunition, caliber 152 and 155 mm, it was... a big problem for ukrainian soldiers, and thank god they managed to hold the front. the proportions of 1:10, which were just recently, when it comes to the number of artillery shots from the ukrainian side and from the side of the russian aggressor, this is a terrible disparity, but that disparity must change and the artillery coalition must also work quickly, and here every day is important. how do you say that the friend half of the year is key, then i will say that... the first was also, it’s just a pity that during that period the supply of equipment and weapons, as well as

ammunition to ukraine decreased, and it was an immediate threat that the aggressor would succeed in breaking through the front line, and neither ukraine nor europe can afford this. well, but we understand that war is not only artillery, not only aviation, not only tanks, it is also personnel and mobilization resources, and we also understand that the russians... have more mobilization resources than ukraine, yes , they they are also starting to look for people all over the world, creating some additional units of mercenaries, so on the other hand we understand that there is a certain initiative of president macron, he announced it, i understand that president macron has put many european politicians in a not too comfortable position, who now have to react to what president macron said, but i would like to ask you how you see the prospects of what could be for... the troops involved, the ground forces of certain countries of the european union, if

the situation has become critical for us, so let's hope that this will not happen, well, but president macron has said his word, everyone must somehow react to it. there is such a concept as strategic uncertainty, and we should use this concept for a long time, that is , drive the kremlin bandits into strategic uncertainty, into strategic ambiguity. and i believe that president macron's initiative in this regard makes sense so that the russians do not think to themselves: and europe does not foresee greater military support. i understand it yes, yes itself. like the minister of foreign affairs, radosław sikorski in poland, this is how i understand president macron's initiative. and in principle, such a comment is enough. when we talk about the european union and ukraine, we understand that we are entering the so-called negotiation process. yes, the negotiations are not only about the criteria of democracy, the copenhagen negotiations are

also about money, about quotas, and we understand, yes, that we had a history with ukrainian crops, the european union. we are part of the polish protesters who blocked dear, we understand that the situation may not have become simpler, although some additional mechanisms for regulating it may have been involved, and we understand that bargaining for money is a sacred business even for the best neighbors, the way this whole thing will look, because there is the law of the european union is the legislation of the european union, and there is the legislation of individual national states, in particular poland in... hungary and so on, i do not want to compare poland with hungary, but we understand, yes, orbán has his own vision, poland has his own vision , in spain its own, well in another separate story may appear in italy. we have our negotiating experience, and i must say that you are faster, you are faster than poland, because it took us four years to prepare for the start of negotiations on joining

the eu. the application was submitted in 1994, and year until now, the strategic decision has been made, it is now about the implementation of its content, probably in the last days of june, that is, in a few days, a decision will be made about the practical start. that is, the eu will form a negotiating mandate and the so-called will be convened intergovernmental conference. this ensures that negotiations will begin. from the very beginning, poland sincerely supported ukraine's accession to the eu, and will always support it, because you are our most important partner on the eastern side of the border. because of this, we advocated

for the negotiations to begin sooner and we advocate for those... talks to move forward quickly. so that there are no downtimes, so that there are no inhibitions, so that they move forward. this is the first. secondly, of course, there are areas in which the eu, on the one hand, and ukraine will have to adapt. ukraine is a powerful country with a large agricultural area and the strength of its agro-industrial complex. undoubtedly, there must be an adaptation of the common agrarian system. eu policy on the one hand, and the ukrainian agricultural sector on the other. these efforts will be for both sides. in negotiations, it is always the case that in order for both parties to achieve something, someone must give up something. such negotiations, and we had the most difficult negotiations, actually regarding the agrarian one sphere and regarding access to the labor market, you will not

have difficult negotiations when it comes to access to the eu labor market, since ukrainians are already on the labor market of eu countries, among others in poland. until recently, before the announcement of mobilization, there were more than 900,000 citizens of ukraine in poland. in particular, there are a lot of workers, without whom it will be difficult for the polish economy to function. we have an understanding of this, so you already have access to the eu labor market, using the example of poland. and freedom of movement, so in your case it will not be so big the problem we had with the austrians or the germans, that only a few years after joining the eu, our plumbers, carpenters, our transporters could get work in the eu countries. instead, the eu will probably also have to adapt its structural

policy mechanisms to ukraine, because ukraine is a large country. very dilapidated and in need of investment. and i must say that i was happy to watch the course of the last conference on the reconstruction of ukraine, because there two processes were superimposed on each other, that is , the process of ukraine's admission to the european union and the process of reconstruction of ukraine. these two processes cannot move independently of each other. they must be intertwined, must go together. the accession of ukraine to the eu should be connected with the opening of some eu funds for ukraine, as well as a large fund for the reconstruction of ukraine, which should be coordinated in great detail. that is, here you need to invest, there you need to invest, here you need to rebuild, there you need to rebuild, and all this

must be written as a very precise map, so that there are no wrong or unnecessary investments. well, thank you very much for that extremely interesting one conversation, i want to remind our tv viewers that bohdan klig, ex-minister of defense of the republic of poland, was currently working on espresso. current chairman of the senate committee on european union affairs. vasyl zima's big broadcast. my name is vasyl zima, this is a big ether on the espressu tv channel. two hours of airtime, two hours of your time. my colleagues and i will talk about the most important things. two hours to learn about the war, about the military, the front, the composition of serhiy zurets. but how does the world live? yuri fizer is already with me, and it's time talk about what was happening outside of ukraine. yuri. good evening, two hours to keep abreast of economic news, time to talk about money, during the war, oleksandr morchivka field with me and sports news, i invite yevhen pastukhov to the conversation, two

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united around you. mark feigen, a member of the russian opposition on... migration, a former member of the state duma, and a well-known video blogger, will be working on the espresso tv channel. glory to ukraine. mark, you are welcome. well, what, the civilized part of humanity held a summit, a peace summit in switzerland, the uncivilized part went to report to their yes, north korean-chinese curators yes, the meeting took place with kim jong-un, and accordingly, the bread of friendship samovar balalaika, but they signed the so-called security agreement, as far as we understand, in order to... put a lot of strain on the americans, japanese and south korea. mark, what do you think putin took to north korea? well, first of all, note that ukraine

has been signing agreements on security guarantees for a long time, this is some form of monkeying around, because now russia is also signing an agreement on providing mutual security guarantees, their counterpart, because there is a clause on military help, about the conditions under which an attack on one of the participants in the agreement will be necessary. military aid from the other side and so on , that is, in some sense, it reminds us that you have allies, and we also have allies, here you have america, you signed such an agreement on june 13, ukraine, and here we are signing with north korea , apparently, they also appreciate it , putting a different meaning on this agreement, this is firstly, secondly, look, this visit is both symbolic and practical, i underestimated the degree of its meaning, so... that as hitler went to see mussolini, and could not have gone, to summon him, but still did it, and in this sense military allies, they become closer through such visits, see

how ideologues are. even the unexpected side of this visit, in which putin is reciprocating the north korean model of the system to russia. someone will say: well, it is impossible, where are the north koreans, where is the east, and where is russia. but judge for yourself. totalitarian system, they are already the same in the sense of its totalitarian essence with certain, of course, reservations, because russia still came out of free state, north korea has never lived in such a state. they have been ruled by the kim dynasty for 80 years. literally communist north korea, but we can already see the trends: putin is assembling his dynastic system, we have already talked about it more than once, since the may inauguration of his next term, the so-called term, of course no one elected him, he is building a dynastic totalitarian system, he is already involving relatives, just the other day he appointed his niece, the daughter of a cousin, a certain tsevilova, the wife of a minister tsivilov, the former governor of kusbas,

who is a native of... petersburg himself, was made deputy minister of defense, and before that dmitry patrushev was made vice prime minister, and before that, at the same time, his son yury kovalchuk was made head of the accounting chamber, his daughter spoke at the st. petersburg international forums and so on. we can see that it resembles, resembles the kim regime of north korea, which does not change. one dying ancestor is replaced by his son. and i think that putin already has this model in his head, and to show he has this closeness directly. you can't do it over the phone, you can't do it on an armored train in vladivostok. but with his visit , he shows what the political system in russia will be like. in parallel with this, it is currently being discussed whether this agreement results, returning to the military component, that north korean military personnel may appear in ukraine, this cannot be ruled out, although i do not think that the agreement is a necessary condition to prevent this , to

bring the north... koreans, they brought nepalese, africans were brought, many of them, so the north koreans could appear, apparently, i understand that at the state level there are also material and other components that are agreed upon, this is on the one hand, and on the other hand, this after all, such a prank is adventurous, you see, to find yourself between russians and ukrainians you need to at least understand the language, the mentality, i very much doubt that young people, and most likely it will be north korean military personnel... young enough that they will be able to understand how behave in this war between the slavs, that is, i think that the decline there will be catastrophic, because we realize that the north korean army, with all the audacious power that the north korean propaganda itself portrays, but it is generally a very unmodern backward army in hats-in-shanks. but on the other hand, you see, mark, how generously putin began to give away what was once

called. doctrine of the soviet general secretaries, including andropov, that is, he let the people's republic of china go somewhere in the sea of ​​japan, so we understand that over the years this issue was very acute, and shipping along the foggy or gloomy river, it was limited, now putin brought it to dzyobika and laid it at xi jinping's feet, this is putin's trade offer, the chinese don't give up on me, and the chinese are also happy to try. china's position regarding the moscow regime and putin, it is like this, yes, it comes from its own interests, and not from the interests of moscow, alliance obligations or anything. it's all nonsense. over the 20th century, we remember how relations between beijing and moscow changed, even at first, from love under stalin to actually war in domansky, already under brezhnev and so on. it was inherited. under gorbachev, incredible efforts were made in connection with the restructuring, which was also

reluctantly approved by beijing, but still warming took place: china went its own way, moscow followed its own. and today, china is aware of moscow's vassal dependence. it's just that moscow has no options , it is limited. the global door to the global economy and the global world is now only through china. it cannot open through the west. china does not want putin to lose this war, because if he loses, it is chaos within russia itself. pro-western forces may come to power and say, why do we need china, what kind of strategy is the east, that suits us, but it does not want a great victory for moscow, because if moscow seizes ukraine, then it is also unprofitable for beijing. moscow will feel its independence and say: we don't need some masters in the east who will tell us how to behave, so it is important for china to maintain this fragile balance and most importantly - to be guided.