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united around you. we continue our joint broadcast of the first crimean tatar tv channel atr and the beraber tv channel . i, gulsom khalilova, and my colleague andriy yanitsky work together in the studio for you. and we would like to introduce our guest, this is yevhen khlobestov, professor, dean of the faculty of natural sciences of the kyiv-mohyla academy, as well as. head of the track, head of the track, economic and environmental expert network of the crimea platform, mr. yevgeny, congratulations, good afternoon, we discussed with you as a military expert everything that happened on june 23 in crimea, and the strike

by the armed forces of ukraine on russian military facilities and the shooting down of these rockets over the beach and over people by russian air defense , and we all saw all these videos and so on, after which... even the occupying administrations began to say that a lot of people canceled their trips to crimea and even their tourist, these, tourist operators began to say that that people just don't go to the sanatorium, there are camps and so on, how does it all affect the tourist season in crimea, this year in particular, if you look at the latest attacks by the armed forces? it's just a different reality, the russians are in a different reality, there's no war for them, so they're going to... it 's supposed to be completely safe there, i want to point out that there was no air raid, by the way, so people were on the beach, not even knew there was potential danger there. on the other hand, crimea is currently such a source of tourism only for russians, moreover

this is such an artificial tourism, because russia very much dates these tourist services, there are free tickets, there are discounted tickets, various such, that is, this is such an artificial reproduction of this form. i hope that after the return of crimea to the state borders of ukraine, when we will already develop the economy and, in particular, recreation there, we will first of all face a security problem, that is , how safe it will be to rest there. the second problem is the quality of services. well, by then, most likely, ukraine will be exhausted by the war, and we will not be able to invest in high-quality tourist facilities and services. therefore, i am quite skeptical about this, as for me... crimea will remain a tourist region for many years to come, mainly for crimeans, and such a future tourist hub will probably still remain in that region on the part of turkey and adjara, but probably not yet with ukraine. not

for the first time, that is, if we are talking about tourism, now, of course, we do not advise anyone to rest in crimea, because it is a theater of hostilities, even after liberation. probably it will be necessary to wait until it is safe there, that ’s right, and plus, i understand that the people of ephesus and the families of ephesus are going to rest and there are some representatives of the russian administration there and so on, who are under sanctions and can’t leave anywhere else they just can't, so recently the occupiers said that even there in akhyar, the daughter of the mayor of magadan or something like that, the deputy mayor of magadan, was injured there, that is, you are resting there. these and these are all people who simply cannot go to other countries. i don't think so only the residents of thessaly are resting, there are still a huge number of russians who are in their own reality, in their own information bubble, in this bubble there is no war, and therefore crimea is like such a soviet nostalgia, a resort, a vacation, our crimea,

finally they can go there , although no one forbade them to go there until the 14th year, that is, even in 10 years they did not find out. what is really happening, this information curtain is so created in russia that people who, as far as i understand, live in the north of russia, and are not very interested in what is happening to the european part, they imagine that everything is fine, there are no hostilities, missiles are not flying, and they do not expect this, not only is everything fine, people are buying crimean real estate from siberia, for example, ugh.

even ukrainian people's deputies, ukrainian singers, recently jamala, her house was nationalized, and other things, for example, our singers. in sapphire, taru, and so on, and what the occupiers say, they nationalize it all, put it up for auction, sell it, and so on, buy the colonizer again, and so on, and they plan to send it all. to war against ukraine, this is how to evaluate this pseudo-nationalization of the russian occupiers, does it have any legal meaning and so on, what will we do with it and can we draw parallels, for example, with 1944, when all the crimean tatars were deported, the nkbdshniks came again , and then already in 2014, the children of the nkbdshniks simply burned ukrainian passports and shouted crimea and russia forever. this question is deep, because first of all, if we talk about the economic

profit from such rolls, it is minimal, against the background of the cost of war, to say that it is somehow helps russia fight against ukraine more effectively, probably not, it is an informational excuse. russia is trying to show russians, crimeans and other russians that we have dealt with a potential fifth column of pro-ukrainian elements. their real estate went to the needs of the ied, yes, well, but in truth, to say that this somehow affects the situation in crimea now, or affects our attitude, or has any legal consequences, unfortunately, there is no. russia does not recognize a huge number of international judges, that is, and even, i gave such examples, russia is part of the signatory of numerous law enforcement conventions, but if it does not

comply with those conventions, it simply does not... on contracts that do not provide for the enforcement of these contracts, and among the vast majority of civilized signatories of such contracts, there is not even an idea that it is possible not to fulfill something so brazenly, without explaining your position, well, i don’t want to, that is, if you have already taken it upon yourself the obligation is yours parliament. ratified this agreement there, that is, after hitler, no one imagined that a new hitler could appear, who could simply disobey all international norms and so on absolutely, absolutely, and this is still the miracle of our partners in the european union and nato countries, they keep trying to present some problem with russia that needs to be submitted to some international body, to try to find out some relationship with it through legal authorities, but this simply does not happen. well, this week, please, can i ask one question, and then you, simple we, when we talked about international conventions

, there are courts and so on, you know, i will remind our viewers that recently the european court of human rights recognized the obvious, and they finally after 10 years, after ukraine submitted to the european court of human rights all the crimes of the russian occupiers that they committed there, and russia has violated 11 out of 18 possible articles regarding human rights, and there is already a court decision, and russia will not comply with it, as i understand it, and then, does it make sense then, well, making such decisions and so on, what it means for us then, for us it means our movement in the system of international law, we, as a state, part of the world community, which fulfills international obligations, supports this general movement towards legal issues regarding our problems. and in relation to the russian federation, but there is again no coercive mechanism to force

russia to comply with any international agreements. well, by the way, the second world war is really a very good example, when, well, what treaties did hitler's germany fulfill, or which ones were observed, and none, and in as a result, this is a new page in the history of europe. with russia, the situation is more complicated, because today i do not see even in the ideas that... the victory of us and our allies, relatively speaking, a parade in moscow, yes, and a change of the political system in russia. we do not set this as a goal. and this means, unfortunately, that russia will continue to be in a state of hostility towards ukraine. and that's why i emphasized in my speech at the recent forum of the expert network that we need to think about the formation of such a frontier economy. unfortunately, we do not have modern russia leaves a chance, but... than to be ready for further unfriendly actions. i actually

also wanted to mention yespel, but in addition, the latest news that was just spread by the media yesterday or the day before yesterday, which was announced at the forum of the expert network of the crimean platform, but you did not say it, about the situation around hersenes, you must have heard, and some media interpreted as completely destroyed. well, that's not exactly how it sounded, damage was caused, and damage was caused by the large construction near chersonesus, which we will see when it's free. crimea, will everything remain? the museum, what are we going to do with these illegal buildings, because the illegal building, which is called the kerch bridge, will of course be destroyed, but all these buildings that the occupiers keep building and have already built during these 10 years, what with what will happen to them, what will happen to the people who work there, what will happen to the people who already live there and the residential

buildings have been built, how will we act in relation to them. russians who went to crimea, and in relation to all these infrastructural changes. this is really a very thorough question, because in crimea according to various estimates, from 750 to more than 1 million russians came there, these are people who had no rights to cross the borders of ukraine and stay in crimea, settle, buy real estate, and so on. of course, the crimea was filled with real estate, and the taurid highway, and other things. objects and in the future, of course, that ukraine will not destroy them, well, i can't imagine that our government makes a decision to blow up such a number of residential buildings there, i think that we have someone to place in crimea in these buildings, in we have a lot of people who have passed war, and even today they are fighting and protecting our present, and therefore i think that this real estate should be distributed already through some state

programs, some will be confiscated, in principle distributed. as for these people, the situation there is not obvious, because some of them, well, 100% have to leave the territory of ukraine, yeah, but there are people who came there as teenagers, who became adults, who created their own families, when, conditionally speaking, part of the family has a passport of a citizen of ukraine, part does not have this passport, they already have their own children to appear during this time, in this way... this question is not mechanistic, that is , a certain policy must be formed there, how to treat these people, how to deport them or encourage them to return to the territory of the russian federation. the only thing we have to understand is that if we leave this million, relatively speaking, new crimeans in crimea, we will never see either a ukrainian or a crimean-tatar crimea.

and the recipe that was used in the baltic countries with gray passports, whether it works or not, so what? this is really this experience is not possible to use mechanistically, because even in such a small country as latvia, almost half of the population was so -called russian-speaking, that is, not the native population, some of these people after integration into the european union became absolutely loyal citizens of these states, learned the language accordingly, received citizenship . theirs work today, but a huge number of people for various reasons, including some, you know, such soviet principles, they remain people with limited rights, and today this is also a certain a challenge, a certain problem for these small countries, well, that is, they cannot go to the elections there, elect someone there and even go to public positions like that, but they live there,

uh, but they live there, and by the way, this was a requirement of the european union, that is, so that it is not forced. deportation of these people, they a certain part of these people do not have passports of the countries in which they live, but they are there and form a certain political environment, and an emotional environment, and well, that is, in fact, these are people who, if they are not adapt to the state politicians, before the state formation of the state where they are located, they automatically become the so -called fifth column, that is, they are pe'. danger for the future of this state, for crimea, the same situation will be the same, but it is still an element of instability, even if it, even if people are part of society, but have not changed their views, we know the story with latvia, that the mep from latvia tatyana zhdanok, as it turned out, was an fsb agent, she was chosen by these

russian speakers, that is, she represented their interests in the european parliament, considering what ukraine is going to become. part of the european union and we will also have deputies, people who are not loyal to ukraine, but live on its territory, can again delegate someone to the european parliament and in fact influence all european politics in general, this is such a trojan horse, in fact, which is introduced into the body of ukraine, that is, this problem is deeper than it seems, it seems to me, it is deeper, and you also have a solution, it is definitely deeper, well, at the level of an expert today. on the network of the crimean platform we discussed that after deoccupation, crimea should be deprived of the right to elect its representatives to electoral authorities for five, preferably 10 years, that is, to the ukrainian... parliament or to local elections, there is such a historical experience, for example, with hitler's germany, yes, yes, yes, and, and then a political situation,

a political struggle, and in particular, deputies to the european parliament, if we will already be part of the european union by that time, will be formed, that is, the administration for this will be military-civilian, first military, then the military-civilian administration, well , then we will move on to traditional forms of government, there should be cultural and educational programs. yes, the information environment, and as far as i understand, the administrative reform must take place, because despite the fact that the heads of military administrations are still appointed to lead, it is still necessary to build a decentralized system of self-government, the kind that operates in the free territories of ukraine, and do you understand the final construction, that is, sevastopol. akyar will be a part, a separate administrative unit, will be a part of the crimean peninsula, are there different scenarios being discussed? it will definitely be part of the crimean peninsula. i would really like

it to be okyar, not sevastopol. secondly, we need a political decision and a constitutional decision, in my opinion, to deprive sevastopol as a ravine of its special status, that is, it should be the same city as all other cities in ukraine. moreover, taking into account a certain political component, which we see today in sevastopol akyar, his the status must be definitely not special, absolutely ordinary. how it will look in the future construction is a question that can be discussed: from the fact that it will be a city within the borders of the bakchysarai district of crimea, or it can be one of the cities, like yalta with part of its own unified territorial community. ah... but this issue today, of course, has not been resolved, it is being discussed, it is a problem for communication, experts, government officials, but under any conditions, we need to

see a new such governmental construction of crimea today. today there is a decision regarding the formation of united territorial communities, instead of those districts that exist in crimea today. it will be a completely different scheme of administrative management, and we will focus on it, but it will still work fully only after it is possible in crimea. will hold elections. well, now you said about akyar, and about the so -called sevastopol, and i'm wondering if we will see a change in the toponymy of crimea in the near future, are there any developments in this regard? there is work to be done, in particular the crimean tatar resource center has done a lot to make these developments public, there are new names, new old names, let's say, returned names, yes, then... crimea, but it requires a lot of work from us. with the deputy corps so that the renaming takes place at the level of our parliament, and this is not an easy process, well, plus such a decision

during wartime, during wartime there are restrictions on this, because we still have two regions in mainland ukraine, which should have been renamed a long time ago, i mean dnipropetrovsk and kirovohrad regions, which in fact are already syacheslav and the constitutional court recognized that... there can be such a renaming, syacheslav region and kropyvnytskyi region, and despite the fact that there is a war, these regions are still called that in our country, they remain so, it's just language that even before the deoccupation of crimea, we must be ready, and when we enter crimea, so that we already have all the work done, that all draft laws, everything is ready, the only question is acceptance, acceptance and implementation in crimea there are two more important questions, well, i will ask you... in one question, infrastructural, so that we are ready for the liberation of crimea, we are liberating crimea, it is clear that the energy bridge, which was laid by russia and together with

the kerch bridge, will be destroyed, and it is clear that the supply of water to crimea is already a problem due to the fact that russia blew up the kokhov hpp. what are we going to do, where are we going to supply power to the crimea, from... where are we going to get water, are we going to find, are we going to restore chukhovskaya, and will we be able, excuse me, i will add, to restore this northern the crimean canal? first of all, we will not be able to restore it, and there is no sense in it today, it is standing dry, and after many years, when the fate of the kokhov reservoir will be decided, i am, in particular, a great critic of the restoration of the kokhov reservoir, today we have an absolutely unique... system that should develop, live there and solve the problems of water supply in that part of ukraine, we have to look for other engineering solutions, i think we will find them, and... as

for the canal to crimea, these are again highly debatable issues, because well first it is possible to build a closed canal, not an open one, because, well , evaporation from an open canal was 50%, or even more, that is, we actually evaporated this water without any damage, changed the climate, yes slowly, yes, and if you remember you can see how this north crimean canal looked, it's swampy terrain around it for several meters, and it was generally such a structure that was in serious need even before the annexation. repair and renewal, but climatic changes, the lack of water from the north crimean canal and the increase in the population, i.e. in the crimea the number of water consumers increased from 2 million to 3 million, that is, this is a huge number of added water consumers, however, let's pay attention to the fact that not a single serious water communication facility was updated in crimea, it remains in such a rather difficult state, we studied the

water communication systems of crimea on... the 13th year, for example, when there were still ukrainian objective statistics, there the level of wear and tear of funds in relation to water supply and drainage reached 80% in certain administrative units, that is, nothing better than that time became, most likely, and the second problem is that today the authorities in crimea, the russian authorities, raise underground water from underground horizons and run it into communal water supply systems, this is uncontrolled... the flow of such underground water, first of all , this is actually the dehydration of these horizons, the water changes its quality, it becomes very salty, it needs additional processing in order to make it safe for consumption, and the main thing is that now this water will not be there, and when we return crimea, we will see this water crisis, as they say, aspects and the situation that will be very

difficult for ukraine, as regards... energy, this is a difficult issue, but today we do not have enough power, and this deficit is very glaring for ukraine, if , conditionally speaking, crimea will be annexed to ukraine tomorrow, in it is physically impossible for us to provide power supply to crimea today, of course, russia will not supply anything there, it is obvious, that is, electricity, water, and gas supply, these will be challenges for which we must prepare. here we are at our meetings the expert network talked a lot about it, what are the mechanisms there to involve our partners in the black sea basin, to create a system of additional local generation so that people do not end up in a disaster, well, imagine the situation there one happy day for ukraine, the last russian soldier leaves crimea, after moreover, the russians turn off all the generators of the entire energy supply and the entire situation, crimea stops in a state

of disaster. and we should have an answer at that moment, we will now bring in some local ones energy supply system, we have a solution to the problems of water supply and drainage, and we have to provide the basic needs of the crimeans so that life remains there, despite the fact that we do not yet know under which scenario the deoccupation will be implemented, and at the same time we still have problems with world, we have a problem, it is possible to experience solving these problems, which we are currently experiencing when mobile power plants are created. and when some autonomous energy sources are created, it could be used after the liberation of crimea for to provide the crimeans with electricity, the capacity of the zaporizhia nuclear power plant will not be enough, or we cannot predict what will happen to it at all, we have a couple of minutes, as nuclear energy experts say, in particular olga kosharna, today the zaporizhia nuclear

power plant is in in such a state that... it is technically impossible to put it into operation, it is a long way for the station to be included in any power grid in a safe state, it is in the state of so-called cooling or cold idle for too long, and that is why we we cannot count on the power of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, even after we fully restore our control over this facility. thank you very much, mr. evgeny, choksago, for coming to our studio. he is a professor at the kyiv-myhylya academy, was in the studio of the beraber program on the atp channel and on the espresso channel, this is a joint project, and we, the presenters, andriy yanitskyi and gulsum khalilova, hosted this program together, see you in a week.