in the first debate with trump , biden's main task was to show that he is not too old for the presidency. he did not cope with it. what now, whether the democrats plan to replace the candidate, how this debate will affect the voters, we are talking about all this on the bbc live from london, i am yevgenia shedlovska. this was the first and very early debate between the potential candidates for the presidency of the united states, and keep in mind that the election is about four months away. so, for 90 minutes in atlanta, georgia, the debate was conducted by a television company cnn without an audience in the studio. with the proviso that

politicians could be muted if they were taking their time, and so they differed from the debates of the previous 2020 election campaign, when trump impatiently interrupted biden, now he was a little more reserved, but neither was biden as active as he was four years ago , he did not agree on sentences, sometimes it was difficult to understand his point, in fact, see for yourself how it was, for the first time in the history of debates two met. presidents, ex -officio. the current president of the united states aspires to become the oldest owner of the white house in the entire history of the united states. four years ago , they already met on tv debates, which then ended in a quarrel, but even the new rules did not stop the insult. the reason i'm here is because he's a bad president. my son was not a loser, he was not a loser. you're a loser, you 're a loser. both candidates accused each other of ruining the economy, and the altercation between. they also boiled over due to tax cuts

and inflation. he is the only president since herbert hoover to have more people lost their jobs than before the beginning of his term. the jobs he has created are jobs for illegal migrants and those who have returned after covid. at times during the debate , joe biden's voice sounded hoarse and difficult to understand. the president's aides said he had a cold. but there were also constant warnings about his stamina and concentration. and this debate did not allay those fears. hot debates centered around the topic of abortion and immigration, and here donald trump made perhaps his strongest statement of yesterday's debate. we live in kennels. they are killing our people in new york, california. all states, because we

no longer have borders, and the answer to a question about their age joe biden is 81 and donald trump is 78 ended up in a weird golf argument. i've told you before, and i'd love to play golf with you if you can lift your own bag. his biggest lie is that he has a six handicap. i had eight. never. i know how you hit. i know you there wasn't much in this debate to change the minds of supporters, both men reiterated everyone is known to attack each other, so now the interesting thing is how this debate will affect the small number of voters in key states that are still undecided and will be decisive in the election in november, and after the debate, joe biden and his wife went to fast food, and it was there that journalists asked the president how he assessed his speech. i think we did well. do you have any concerns? no, it's hard. debate

the liar. and what is interesting, it was the democrats who wanted to hold the debate earlier, even before the party ones congresses at which presidential candidates are officially nominated. republicans will do it in july, and democrats in august. and the calculation of biden's headquarters was to remind the voters of who trump was before and thus strengthen the position of the current president. and one more reason - to have more time to recover if there is a failed step, which actually they will have to do now. an interviewer of the american tv channel cbs briefly summarized the results of the debate for us. always the main opinion about the debaters is who won and who lost. in this situation american television, american media mostly say that the voter didn't really win because he didn't get much out of this debate, because former president trump lied repeatedly, and president biden's tone, his manner left much to be desired for democrats and any potential democrat, which... might have been going

to vote for him. one of the big questions in all of this, obviously, is what the polls will show after this debate, especially in some states that are still undecided, but which will...have a swing importance in the elections in november, but at first glance, according to many of the world's media, both sides did not show their best. and for example, a quick cnn poll found that a two-thirds majority thought trump won the debate, but 80% of those polled said the debate would not affect their choice. however, it will be necessary to see whether the ratings of both candidates will change? right now, trump and biden are actually tied by a small margin. how the speeches of the candidates at the... debate will affect the voters, this is what the american said about it public opinion researcher frank luns. voters looked at donald trump, heard his insults, saw his persona, and those undecided voters didn't like him, but the question isn't even whether

joe biden can last the next four years, but whether he can last the next four months, tellingly, out of our focus group of 14 undecided voters... 12 of whom ended up siding with donald trump, only one supported joe biden. in the reaction was so deep that we have there were democratic leaders from across the party spectrum saying, we're in trouble, we might need a new candidate, and a fact that i'm willing to repeat for the next 48 hours, and the democrats, and the senate and the house, the politicians are going to be debating whether they're ready to go to the white house and do for biden what ... the republicans did for richard nixon during watergate, which is to say, "sir, we have to elect another candidate, we need a new alternative. you can't beat donald trump. until biden wants to leave on his own, he cannot be dropped. the only reason he would want to leave is if

the people he trusts, his old comrades, those who have known him for 20, 30, 40 years, would come to him and say, "you're embarrassing yourself." that's the problem. so on the one hand you have donald trump, who is abusive, misbehaves, and joe biden, who was unable to answer questions clearly, succinctly, and that difference between the two was so strong for voters at home that i don't know how it is very difficult to correct, simply drop the candidate, and it is very difficult to get rid of the impression that you can't do the job anymore, i can name 10 democrats who could have run against donald trump, what i can't do is... have the impression from last night's debate that joe biden won't last another four years , so my argument, if i were talking to democrats, is that the devil you don't know is more likely to defeat donald trump than the devil you already know. meanwhile,

biden's team is trying to shift attention to what trump said and shared on social media a 40-second clip with trump quotes, including how he avoided the question of whether he... acknowledges the election results? trump answered something like this: if they are honest, legal, good, then, they say, he will recognize them. trump , without evidence, called the last election, which he lost, rigged. but in general, what will the democrats do now? will they rally around biden, or will they start looking for his replacement in the midst of the presidential campaign, analyzes bbc viewer john sudward. it was supposed to be a night that would help joe biden put to rest any worries about his age and mental abilities. but in the end , fears only intensified. democrats insisted on holding these debates. they wanted to hold them earlier in order to be able to nominate their representative long before the party congresses, which were supposed to approve the two candidates. and these lingering concerns about his candidacy, which took place within

the party, brought their vittak to a standstill. i will give a vivid example. immediately after the debate, david plouffe, a former senior adviser to barack obama, called this moment a devcon. that is, the most dangerous. but andrew young is a former candidate for the presidency from the democratic party and the candidate from the democrats for the mayor of new york, he wrote on the social network. guys, i think we should look for a new candidate. the party and the white house, of course, will rally around biden. kamela harris admitted after the debate that biden started weak but ended up talking about substantive policy. and being the president of the united states is also about style and manner of communication. and few believe that biden lived up to that standard. speaking from the point of view of what will happen next, the conversation will continue, and the question is how long these clouds will hang over the campaign, and whether the white house will be able to divert the attention of voters and bring them back to politics. the problem

is that the next debate is scheduled for september, and i think that's a cat in the bag for a lot of people. there is no room for concern , and it is clear that for many people in the democratic party, this debate ... has become a turning point, and the question is, what can be done in this case? president baytin is the official candidate of the democratic party. he won the primaries, so there is no way to remove it from the top. unless he wants it himself. and just now , biden himself dispelled doubts about his health. he spoke to voters in the state of north carolina and assured that his goal is to win the election. biden criticized trump for lying in the debate, denied all of his claims, and occasionally chanted four more years and four more years. by the way, biden indirectly admitted that he was not in the best shape last night. he said: i know that... i don't walk like i used to, i know that i don't i speak, i don't debate as well as i used to, but

i know what i know well, how to tell the truth, he said, he knows how to do this job, how to be president, and the very end, regarding ukraine, at this debate new statements we did not hear, trump repeated that he can stop the war as soon as he becomes president and again called zelensky the best salesman, because they say that he receives money from washington every time, biden reproached trump, putin will not... will not stop at ukraine, but the speeches of politicians became a cold shower for kyiv, says my colleague miroslava petsa, who at night watched over the altercation of the candidates. trump said about ukraine that it is not very good that america is investing so much money in it now during the war. biden answered that it is america's responsibility as a nato member, its strength in alliances, and understanding what is happening in ukraine now, it must... somehow be stopped, and he cited examples of countries such as south korea and japan,

which also joined the 50 countries that are now helping ukraine, trump was not impressed by this, allowed himself such a remark that ukraine will not win this war, and all this can be stopped now, when i say, trump says, i will become the president of the united states, even before january 20, when the inauguration will take place, and he repeated several times after that on... that i am ending this war immediately, and as soon as i choose there was a cold shower both to ukraine and to the united states of america. and there and there, in fact the result was predicted. the next five years will be very difficult in relations between kyiv and washington. whoever is the president of the united states of america. trump's shadow, however, will loom in any case, even if, suppose, imagine, biden wins this election. trump. does not lie in the way he treats ukraine. what ukraine is doing now, trying to sign as

many security agreements as possible with a bunch of countries in the world. apparently, this is the right path for kyiv, because kyiv is trying to secure itself just in case, and just in case america turns its back on ukraine, and this is a very likely scenario. on the other hand, if we take a closer look at the plan that has been released. trump's advisers recently, we'll see what can happen and not to be an apocalypse, when he was already pressed against the wall by the presenter and asked again, what do you think putin's conditions for ending the war are really possible, this is when ukraine should agree to the fact that it gives up its territory, should give up its membership in nato , and trump said no, these are impossible conditions to achieve peace, trump wants. that everyone would be fine from his point of view, that no matter how the war stopped, how russia

got what it wants, as he thinks, he does not quite understand that russia wants all of ukraine, and ukraine to have relative peace, and if russia, for example, does not agree to these conditions, then, say trump's advisers, america will arm ukraine to the teeth, what is it to the teeth, when at the same time we hear trump's criticism of aid funding of ukraine, i still don't understand. and you can also read about the debate between biden and trump on our website bbc.ua, in particular the article by my colleague, which we just heard from miroslava peca, what trump and biden said about ukraine and another interesting article: can the democrats replace biden with presidential race, read and share the links with those who are interested in knowing more about the upcoming american elections. well, it was the first debate between the potential candidates for president of the united states, joe biden and... trump. i say goodbye to you. next time, watch our broadcast on monday.

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on fridays, we have a traditional journalism club, so i want to introduce the guests of our program, this is bohdan. butkevich, journalist, radio presenter and host of two youtube channels censornet and showbiz. bohdan, i congratulate you. greetings to you and the audience, mr. serhiy. thank you, and olha led, my colleague, journalist of the espresso tv channel, author and host of the war information chronicles. olga, i congratulate you. congratulations. well, how many, ladies and gentlemen, as we ask our viewers if they believe what? able to end the war in ukraine, i will also ask you in the format flash poll, we'll talk about the debate in just two minutes, but in the format of a flash poll, how would you answer this question, do you believe that trump is capable of ending the war in ukraine, olga? no, of course, he is not capable of doing that, moreover, he absolutely, in my opinion, does not, well,

does not understand the reality around it, that is , he says something that seems to him with ... very vividly, he tries to guess some a certain american audience has an impression of life there and speaks with appropriate slogans, but he does not know the reality of this policy understands absolutely, well, that is, it was visible even from the fact that he was talking, the war would never have started, he was the president when the war was going full steam ahead, and why didn’t he end it, well, the question is rhetorical, bogdan, well, without ... says what his voters want to hear, the main thing is that he needs to show everything he says, in fact, trump needs to understand that he needs to be shown that biden is kind of incompetent, he is so active, cool, and he can do it with one finger on the background of this type of german grandfather, well , that is, these are all his words, if you, well, me then the debate took place, for him everything boils down to two things: that biden is weak and that the border, the border is a border-border, everything else is

actually a derivative and ukraine, believe me , was far from playing the most important role there. these, and what, can he end this war, well , look, in theory, of course, the president of america has enough serious powers to actually do some very serious things, but still, let's not forget that there is a democratic congress, and oh, sorry, the senate, where the majority of democrats, and very much, i would said, the tight situation in the congress, where the republicans have a majority, it seems to be three votes, it can be destroyed at any moment, so i don't think that ... trump, even if he really thought and wanted something like that, that he is able to do it quickly, because there are too many different, let's say, fuses for this, another thing is that i do not rule out that he is asking the question of ukraine, he will try, if he becomes the president, he will try to solve it immediately as quickly as possible, why, because everyone likes to start with a small victorious war, relatively speaking, if he decides that, like, this topic

is rating-effective for him, well, i would underestimate the fact that... this person can focus on this fact with all the passion of his nature, what will come of it is another matter, but i would not rule out this moment, i would take into account in our, so to speak, scenario planning , the possibility that he would decide that it should be done, unfortunately, thank you bohdan, well, actually , we have to explain to our viewers, those who did not watch this debate, this is the first time this round of these pre-election debates has taken place, two more politicians, because now they don't have... the official status of presidential candidates, there will be an official debate only in september, it was the first round of pre-election debates, it took place in the cnn studios in atlanta, it lasted 90. minutes, it was a rare case of an early debate, because again, they are not the official nominees of their two parties, and this debate was heavily moderated,

the participants were expressly prohibited from interrupting each other, because during the past debates that took place in 2020, trump quite often interrupted biden and decided not to repeat this stunt on air, and hired two moderators, jake teper. and dana besh, they had the ability to stop two opponents or two debaters at any time. after this debate took place, in the new york times, the political observer thomas friedman wrote that biden should withdraw from the presidential race, and i just what thomas friedman said, wrote, or rather, i don't remember , more frantically. moment in american presidential politics in his lifetime, precisely because he showed: joe biden, a good person and a good president should not be re-elected. olga, is it possible

to judge by physical condition or by condition, in questions and answers about biden, can he run for president or not, he is 81, trump is 78, but this is again, as valeriy said. literally before our broadcast, in the previous broadcast, he told me that this is because american politicians are already at a respectable age, it is much better than young politicians, but they are the ones in ukrainian politics, that is, where are the two extremes, but still, well what are your impressions of what happened, how it happened exactly in relation to the age condition of, let's say two candidates, you know, you can have as many... you can say whatever you want about the fact that in general, well, there is no human ability to provoke, to evoke any emotions during debates an indicator of whether

he will be a good or bad president, that the professionalism of a politician is in no way related to the way he speaks or answers any questions, this is all true, but for this debate, what is the problem , these debates were conducted, well, by myself. that was exactly the idea the democrats to hold these early debates now, they were hoping to show that all the questions about biden's age, about him not being as lively as trump, don't make any sense, and we're seeing the result, the result has been really amazing for them , that is, everything that they tried to refute from the point of view of mass communication, as a result, this debate intensified it, that is , i ... i am not talking about the reality of who is a better president, who is better, who is better at managing the state, because it is clear that biden is very much on this issue

a more experienced politician, well, this is 100%, he is a more responsible politician, so the economy of the states is even growing now, in contrast to the moment when trump lifted it from its knees, even so, but all this is actually, as i understand , on the mass consciousness it doesn't... play for some reason, that's how it happened, you know, and this is the reality that has to be reckoned with, that is , as a result, the fact that it was biden's associates who were demoralized by this debate, it can play a very bad joke, because as a result, they can just don't come to boxes, they can simply refuse to participate in the vote, and thus it is enough, well, let's say so, now we'. the so-called trump fan group will simply win, because it will reach the skrynyovs themselves for a vote, and that's all, this can happen, and

well, this is a great danger, yes, that is, the issue that they tried to remove from the agenda, what can be another candidate in the democratic party, the opposite became the agenda, because it started in the party, well, let's not publicly discuss what might be worth changing candidate, it's also the result of this debate, it's a... a bad result, it's a bad result, and in the end, i just want to say about this, maybe not obvious thing, you know, should we not be discussing biden's physical condition right now, or the can he speak there for a long time and speak better than trump, if only one thing happened, if during the presidency of biden, ukraine would take its territories, repel the russians and... go ahead, if ukraine was successful in the war, all these eyes now the problems for biden would simply not exist, because he would have the appearance of a man,

which fights successfully for democracy. in the world, what are the bad guys who commit aggression, he really opposes them, and this is the result that this is not happening, and that now biden's team has to talk about his physical health, this is the result of their actually political mistakes, they made a big political mistake when they bet on the fact that the war, the war should be long, protracted, they will gradually exhaust russia, for some reason they forgot that they are gradually exhausting... that they are exhausting russia as well as ukraine and that it is not a little bit disproportionate to the size of the country. and if everything that they provided us at least in the summer of 23, they provided in the summer of 22, then today's problems of biden simply would not exist. well, that is, in fact, this is what we are seeing now, the result of his own political mistakes. thank you, olga, bohdan, so... this debate

was not mandatory, because the mandatory debate will be in september, when there will already be official candidates for the presidency of the united states of america, and it is absolutely obvious that this is such a touchstone, probably the democratic team, whether biden will pass this debate official only later, because now, in principle, these debates, well, maybe they can measure there the support for trump 63% against 37%, for biden, and for what? the americans actually had to do this debate and whether biden really can’t lead, as everyone is already starting to talk about it in whispers, but trump, too , in principle, as olga said, he is not such a well-prepared politician as biden, so that trump is, well, he is such an adventurer, a political adventurer in principle, and he was during the first presidential term he remains such an adventurous dude even now,

because... it is not clear what to expect from him at all? well, first of all, i absolutely agree with you that this is 100%, rather, it was an initiative of the headquarters of the democrats. well, look, the question is that really, unfortunately, this is again, you mentioned this column by friedman today, a very cool column, i also read it this morning, and he writes such things there, which are also very interesting about the fact that i was also saying until the end, i thought because of personal meetings with biden, that he was absolutely ok and everything is fine with him, there are no questions, but he says that in the last few months, i don't know what really happened, well, i don't know, maybe he has more health problems, i'll remind you that the american press very much likes to agree that he actually has progressive parkinson's disease, i don't know if it's true, but it happens often, it's repeated in the american press, and it's impossible to dismiss the fact that mr. biden's physical condition has deteriorated a little, the more so, you see, in america it is is absorbed every day, believe me very hard, i'm not talking about how

the russian... cabinet and so on help with this, what i'm leading to, and it seems to me that these debates were necessary in a certain sense, so you very rightly said for that the democrats themselves look at biden and understand, and in general it is a story or not, and i want to say that in fact it is now clear, they are now making comments that no one there will change anyone and so on , but first, let's wait for the next public opinion polls and see ratings after these debates, because again according to ... what is already published, well, trump is recognized as the winner by 2/3, but in the grand scheme of things, it really didn't matter what they were going to talk about, so that it was obvious that trump would not have much to say, and it did not happen, he, i say, he had, you know, an answer like a down boy to everything like what you can say there about that january 6, 21- th year, why did you give the command to storm there, like the white house, but at the time when we were storming there

we didn't have a white house on the border. problems , well, just so you understand what this debate was like, how trump conducted this conversation, how it all happened, and what i am leading to, in fact, mr. biden's main intrigue and task at this debate was to prove that he energetic, that he can still do it, it seems that there is still powder in the powder bins and so on, unfortunately, i don’t know if it’s a pity or not, it ’s already there depending on who likes who there, but he can’t prove it was able, that is, yes, it is clear that now... the checkers are already there found dozens of facts in trump's lies, yes, of course, biden was much more clear in terms of facts, but you understand very well that this is still a story about emotions, it is not so important what you say, it is important how you you say, and here, unfortunately, mr. biden showed that all these, unfortunately, concerns about his physical condition, they are all up to...