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salam alaikum, kherla kunler, congratulations, we continue our joint broadcast of the first crimean tatar tv channel of the atr and tv channel. press program beraber together in i am gulsom khalilova and my colleague andriy yanitskyi work for you in the studio. and we would like to introduce our guest, this is yevhen khlobistov, professor, dean of the faculty of natural sciences of the kyiv-mohyla academy, as well as the head of the track, head of the track, economic and environmental expert network of the crimean platform. mr. yevgeny, congratulations, good day, so good day, we discussed with you as a military expert. all that happened on june 23 in

crimea, and the strike by the armed forces of ukraine on russian military facilities and the shooting down by russian air defense, these rockets over the beach, over people, and we all saw all these videos and so on, after which even the occupying administrations began to say that a lot of people canceled their trips to crimea and even their tourist trips, here are these tourist trips the operators began to say that people simply do not... go to sanatoriums, there are camps and so on. how does it all affect the tourist season in crimea, this year in particular, if you look at the latest attacks by the armed forces. it's just a different reality. the russians are in another reality, there is no war for them. that's why they go to crimea, supposedly it's absolutely safe there. i want to point out that there was no air alert, by the way, meaning that people were on the beach without even knowing that there was a potential danger there. on the other hand, crimea, today... is such a source of tourism only

for russians, and it is such an artificial tourism, because russia very much dates the touristic services, there are free tours, there are discount tours, various such, that is, it is so artificial reproduction of this function, i hope that after the return of the crimea to the state borders of ukraine, when we develop the economy there, and recreation in particular, we will face first of all a security problem, i.e. how safe will it be there... to rest, the second problem is the quality of services, well, at that time, rather all of ukraine will be exhausted by the war, and we will not be able to invest in quality tourist facilities and services, so i am quite skeptical about this, as for me, crimea will remain for many years to come, well , such a tourist region for recreation , mainly crimeans, and such a future one tourist hub, then probably he will still remain in that region from the side. ukraine and

adjara, but probably not yet with ukraine, not for the first time, that is, if we are talking about tourism, now, of course, we do not advise anyone to vacation in crimea, because it is a theater of... hostilities, after the liberation, it is probably necessary will wait until it is safe there, that's right, and plus i understand that the people of ephesus are going to rest and go, yes, the families of ephesus people, or some representatives of the russian administration there and so on, who are under sanctions and more nowhere they simply can't leave, so recently the occupiers said that even there in akhyar , the daughter of the mayor of magadan was injured there or something like that. are resting, there are still a huge number of russians who are in their own reality, they are in their own information bubble, there is no war in this bubble, and

therefore crimea is like such a soviet nostalgia, resort, vacation, our crimea, finally they can go there, although no one he did not forbid them to go there until the 14th year. even in 10 years, they did not find out what was really happening, so created this information curtain in russia, that people who, as far as i understand, live in the north of russia, and are not very interested in what is happening in and in the european part, they imagine that everything is fine, there are no hostilities, missiles are not flying, and do not expect such an arrival, not only is everything fine, people buy in... real estate in crimea from siberia, for example, from the northern regions of russia, sell there, buy in crimea, confident that it is like housing forever, which never there will be changes, and then they will come and, well, you know, recently this topic has intensified, when the russian occupiers nationalize

the houses there, even ukrainian people's deputies, ukrainian singers recently also had her house. nationalized, and others, for example, our singers sofir, tara, and so on, and what the occupiers say, they nationalize it all, put it up for auction, sell it , and so on, buy the colonizer again, and so on, and they plan to send it all to the war against ukraine, this is how to evaluate this pseudo-nationalization of the russian occupiers, does it make any legal sense and yes next, what will we do with it and can we draw parallels, for example, since... year they simply burned ukrainian passports and shouted there crimea with russia forever, this question is deep, well, because first of all, if we are talking

about economic profit from such rolls, it is minimal, against the background of the cost of the war, to say that it somehow helps russia more effectively. fight against ukraine, probably not. this is an information drive. russia is trying to show russians, crimeans, and other russians that here we have dealt with a potential fifth column of pro-ukrainian elements, and their real estate went to the needs of the ied. yes, well, but really, to say that this has any effect on the situation in crimea, does it affect our attitude, does it have any legal consequences? unfortunately, there is no. russia does not recognize a huge number of international judges, that is, and even i gave such examples, russia is part of the signatory of numerous law enforcement conventions, but if it does not comply with these conventions, it simply does not comply with them, without even explaining why it

does so, well, it does not comply , because there is none coercion the world is largely built on contracts that do not provide for the enforcement of these contracts. and the vast majority of civilized signatories of such agreements do not even have the idea that it is possible not to fulfill something so brazenly, do not explain your position, well, i do not want to, if you have already undertaken the obligation and your your your parliament there ratified this agreement, then well that is, after hitler, no one imagined that a new hitler could appear, who could simply disobey all international norms and so on absolutely absolutely, and this is still a miracle of ours eurosoya partners. union and in nato countries, they keep trying to present some kind of problem with russia that needs to be submitted to some international body, to try to clarify something with it through legal authorities, but this is simply not happening, please, may i have one question, and then

you, just us, when we talked about international conventions there courts and so on, you know, i will remind our viewers that recently the european court of human rights recognized the obvious. yes, they finally did, 10 years later, after ukraine applied to the european union human rights court, all the crimes of the russian occupiers, which they committed there, yes? russia has violated 11 articles out of 18 possible regarding human rights, and there is already a court decision, and russia will not comply with it, as i understand it, and then, is there any point in making such decisions and so on, what is it for us then means? for us, this means our movement in the system of international law, we, as a state, part of the world community, which fulfills international obligations, supports this general. to legal issues regarding our problems and regarding russian federation, but there is again no

coercive mechanism to force russia to comply with any international agreements. well, by the way, the second world war is really a very good example, when, well, what treaties did hitler's germany fulfill, or which ones were observed, and none. and as a result, this is a new page in the history of europe. with russia, the situation is more complicated, because today i do not see even in the ideas of any kind of victory for us and our allies, relatively speaking, a parade to moscow, and a change in the political system in russia. we do not set this as a goal, which means, unfortunately, that russia will continue to be in a state of hostility towards ukraine. and that's why i emphasized in my speech at the recent forum of the expert network that we need to think about the formation of such a frontier economy. ugh. unfortunately, modern russia leaves us no chance but to be ready for any further

unfriendly actions. in fact, i also wanted to mention the echr, but, in addition, the latest news that was just spread by the media yesterday or the day before yesterday, which was announced at the forum of the expert network of the crimean platform, but you did not say about the situation around hersenez, you probably heard and where... some people interpreted that hersenez was destroyed in general, well, that’s not exactly what it sounded like, damage was caused and damage was caused by large-scale construction near hersenez, which we will see when we liberate crimea, will it still remain the museum, what are we going to do with these illegal buildings, because the illegal building, which is called the kerch bridge, will of course be destroyed, but all these buildings that the occupiers... will build and have already built during these 10 years, what about them

what will happen to the people who work there, what will be with the people who live there and residential buildings are built, how will we act in relation to the russians who came to crimea, and in relation to all these infrastructural changes, this is really a very thorough question, because according to various estimates, crimea has entered there since the season 50 to... russians are people who did not have any rights to cross the borders of ukraine and stay in crimea, settle, occupy real estate and so on. of course, the crimea was filled with real estate, and the taurid track, and other objects. and in the future, of course, ukraine will not have them destroy. well, i can't imagine that our government decides to blow up so many residential buildings there. ugh. i think that we have someone to accommodate in crimea, in these buildings. we have. there are few people who went through the war and are still fighting and protecting our present, and therefore i think that this real estate

should be distributed already through some government programs, it will be confiscated and or distributed, as for these people, the situation is not there obvious, because some of them, well 100% have to leave the territories ukraine, but there are people who came there as teenagers, who... became adults, who created their own families, when, relatively speaking, part of the family has a passport of a citizen of ukraine, part does not have this passport, they already have their own children who can appear during this time, so this issue is not mechanistic, that is, there is a need to form a certain policy, how to treat these people, how to deport them or encourage them to return to the territory of the russian federation, the only thing... we have to understand that if we will leave this million, relatively speaking, new crimeans in

crimea, we will never see a ukrainian, not a crimean-tatar cream. and the recipe that was used in the baltic countries with gray passports, whether it works or not, what the experience shows in these countries is that this experience cannot be used mechanistically, because even in such a small country as latvia almost half of the population was... the so-called russian-speaking, i.e. non-native population, some of these people, after integration into the european union, became absolutely loyal, citizens of these... states, learned the appropriate language, received citizenship and are working today, but a huge number of people for various reasons, including some, you know, soviet principles, they remain people with limited rights, and today this is also a certain challenge, a certain problem for these small countries, well, that is, they cannot go to the elections there, elect someone there, and even

go to public positions, but they live like this, but they live there, uh, but they live there, and this, by the way... was a requirement of the european union, that is, that there was no coercion deportation of these people, they a certain part of these people do not have passports of the countries in which they live, but they are there and form a certain such, well, political environment, emotional environment, and well, that is, in fact, these are people who, if they do not adapt to the state policy, to the state formation of this state, where they are, they automatically become the so -called fifth column, that is, they are a certain danger for the future of this state, and the same situation will be the same for crimea, but still this element of instability even if and, even if people are part of society, but have not changed their views, we know the story with latvia, that the mep from latvia, tetiana zhdanok, as it turned out, was

an agent of the fsb, she was elected precisely in this russian-speaking office, that is, she represented their interests in european parliament. given the fact that ukraine is going to become part of the european union, and we will also have deputies, people who are not loyal to ukraine, but live on its territory, can once again delegate someone to the european parliament and actually influence the entire european politics, this is such a trojan horse, actually, which is introduced into the body of ukraine, that is, this problem is deeper than it seems, it seems to me that it is deeper, and you still have a solution. it is definitely deeper, well, today at the level of the expert network of the crimean platform , we discussed that after deoccupation, crimea should be deprived of the right to elect its representatives to electoral authorities, that is, to the ukrainian parliament or to local elections , for five, or better, for 10 years , there is such historical experience, for example, with hitler's germany, and

yes, yes, yes, and, and then the political situation, the political struggle, and in particular the deputy, will be formed. to the european parliament, if by that time we will already be part of the european union, the military administration, it will be military-civilian, first military, then military and civilian administration, well , then we will move on to traditional forms of government, there should be cultural and educational programs that bring ukrainian context in the information environment, and as far as i understand, the administrative reform must take place, because despite the fact that there will be the heads of military... administrations are still appointed to lead, it is still necessary to build a decentralized system of self-government, such as that which operates in the free territories of ukraine, and do you understand the final design, that is, sevastopol, akyar will be a part, a separate administrative unit , will be a part of the crimean peninsula, there are various scenarios that

are being discussed, it will definitely be a part of the crimean peninsula, i would very much like it to be okiar first, and not savasto. uhu, secondly, we need a political solution and constitutional decision, in my opinion, to deprive sevastopolyak yar of its special status, that is, it should be the same city as all cities in ukraine. moreover, taking into account a certain political component, which we see today in sevastopol akyar, his status must be definitely not special, absolutely ordinary. how will it look in the future? structures is a question that can be discussed, from the fact that it will be a city within the bakchysarai district of crimea, or it can be one of the cities, like yalta with part of the united territorial community itself, but this issue today, of course, is not resolved, it is being discussed, it is a problem for communication between experts and government officials, but under

any conditions, we need to see a new such government structure of crimea today, today there is a solution. on the formation of united territorial communities instead of those districts that exist in crimea today, it will be a completely different scheme of administrative management, and we will focus on it, but it will still work fully only after it is possible in crimea conduct elections. well, now you said about akyar, and about the so-called sevastopol, and i am wondering if we will see a change in the toponymy of crimea in the near future, or is it happening now? development in this regard, there is development, in particular, the crimean tatar resource center has done a lot to make these developments public, there are new names available for everyone to see. old names, shall we say, returned names, yes, toponyms of crimea, but this requires a lot of work from us with the deputy corps, so that the renaming took place at the level of our parliament, and this

is not an easy process, and plus such a decision during wartime, during wartime, there are restrictions on this matter, because we still have two regions in materyakova ukraine, which should have been renamed a long time ago, i i mean dnipropetrovsk and kirovohrad regions, which actually already exist. syacheslavsk and the constitutional court recognized that there could be such a renaming, syacheslavsk oblast and kropyvnytskyi oblast, and despite the fact that there is a war, these regions still remain like this in our country, they remain so, it's just that even before deoccupation of crimea, we must be ready, and when we enter crimea, so that we already have all the work done, that all draft laws, everything is ready, the only question is to accept and implement it in crimea. there are two more important issues, well, i will ask one question, infrastructural issues, so that we are ready for the liberation of crimea, we are liberating crimea, it is clear that the energy

bridge that was laid by russia and together with the kerch bridge will be destroyed, and it is clear that water supply to crimea is already a problem due to the fact that russia blew it up kohovskus, what will we do, where will we... will we supply power to the crimea, where will we take water from, will we find, will we restore the chukhovskaya, and will we be able, excuse me, i will add, to restore this northern crimean canal ? first of all, we will not be able to restore it, and it makes no sense today, it is standing dry, and in many years, when the fate of the kokhov reservoir will be decided, i am particularly a big critic of restoration. kokhov reservoir, we have an absolutely unique ecosystem there today, which has to develop, live there and solve the problems of water supply in that part of ukraine, we have

to look for other engineering solutions, i think we will find them, and as for the canal to crimea, these are again very debatable issues, because first of all, you can build a closed canal , and not an open one, because, well , evaporation from the open channel was 50%, or even more, that is, it was really us... we evaporated this water absolutely needlessly, changing the climate yes, yes, yes, and if you remember what it looked like this north crimean channel, this waterlogging of the terrain around it for several meters, and it was generally such a structure that needed serious repair and renewal even before the annexation, but climate changes, the lack of water from the north crimean canal and the increase in the population, that is, in crimea, water consumers became from 2 million to 3 million, that is, it is huge. the number of added water consumers, at the same time let's pay attention to the fact that not a single serious water communication facility was updated in crimea, everything remains in such a rather

complicated state, we studied the systems water communications of crimea for the 13th year, for example, when there were still ukrainian objective statistics, there the level of wear and tear of funds in relation to water supply and drainage reached 80% in certain administrative units, that is, nothing... this time has not gotten better, most likely , and the second problem is that today the authorities in crimea, the russian authorities, raise underground water from underground horizons and run it into communal water supply systems, this is an uncontrolled flow of such underground water, firstly, it is due to the actual dehydration of these horizons, the water changes its quality, it becomes very salty, it needs additional processing in order to make it safe for... consumption, well, the main thing is that now this water will not be there, and when we return crimea, we will see this water the crisis, as they say, in all aspects and the situation that will be

very difficult for ukraine. as for energy, this is a difficult issue, but today we do not have enough power, and this deficit is very glaring for ukraine. if, conditionally speaking, it were to be annexed to ukraine tomorrow crimea, we have physically. there is no way today to ensure energy supply to crimea, of course, that russia will not supply anything there, it is obvious, that is , electricity, water, and gas supply, these will be challenges for which we must prepare, and we talk a lot about this at our meetings of the expert network they talked about what mechanisms there are to attract our partners in the black sea basin, to create a system of additional local generation so that people do not end up in trofi disasters, well, imagine the situation there on one happy day for ukraine, the last russian soldier leaves crimea, after that the russians turn off all the generators

of the entire energy supply and... the situation in crimea stops in a state of disaster, and we have to have an answer at that moment, we will now introduce some kind of local energy supply system, we have a solution to the problems of water supply, drainage, and we have to provide the basic needs of the crimeans so that life remains there, despite the fact that we do not yet know under which scenario the deoccupation will be implemented, and at the same time we still have problems, we have a problem, well it is just possible that the experience of solving these problems, which we are experiencing now, when mobile power plants are created, and when some autonomous energy sources are created, it could be used after the liberation of crimea in order to provide crimeans with electricity, so the power of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant the power plant will not be enough, or we cannot predict what will happen to it at all, we have a couple of minutes, as nuclear energy experts say, including

olga kosharna, no... today, the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is in such a state that it is technically impossible to put it into operation. it is a long way for the station to be included in any power grid in a safe state. it is in the state of so-called cooling or cold idle for too long. and that is why we cannot count on the power of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, even after we fully restore our control over this facility. thank you very much, mr. yevgeny. choksago, who... a professor of the kyiv-myhylya academy, was in the studio of the beraber program on the atp tv channel and on the espresso tv channel, this is a joint project, and we, the presenter andrii yanitskyi and gulsum khalilova, conducted this program together, see you in a week.

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